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And what four might those be?

Really want to see the new one in person. Like what I'm seeing so far even though they did not fix my one big problem with it (namely getting in it without knocking my head off in the process).

The Focus ST will be a sure fire hit but I wonder if it doesn't risk stepping on the Mustangs toes a bit with that kind of performance. Also, GM needs to get off their butts and offer some competition for the hi-po compact crowd.

On the PREVIOUS PAGE. "Fact is while the big bump in Mustang sales is a boon for Ford, it is not surprising when you consider, A.) It is a brand new model after ten years of the basically the same car. B.) It's biggest competition, the Camaro, is on the way out with capacity cut months ago (hence their lower sales numbers). It's the same thing the Mustang went through at this time last year (under 4,000 sold in 9/14 I believe). C.) Once the new Camaro is out, then we see more competitive numbers come into play. The last six months mean very little in the grand scheme of things." Like I said, a day late and a dollar short. I anxiously await your apology for being ignorant to this fact. Edit (after the down vote)--Nice. I give you the facts after you accused me of not doing so and then you down vote that very fact. Pathetic LS7. I apologize. 1 out of your 10 or so posts you actually did discuss the thread topic - after you were asked to get on topic. That request to get back on topic was by a troll who also has trouble getting back on topic on top of the fact that he followed that with a personal attack that was deleted by a mod (but not before it was quoted by Bong). Oh, and nice apology to go with the passive aggressive remark (never mind the fact that I only made TWO damn posts before the post in question, not ten as you mistakenly claim). Again, pathetic. Anyways, back on topic...

On the PREVIOUS PAGE. "Fact is while the big bump in Mustang sales is a boon for Ford, it is not surprising when you consider, A.) It is a brand new model after ten years of the basically the same car. B.) It's biggest competition, the Camaro, is on the way out with capacity cut months ago (hence their lower sales numbers). It's the same thing the Mustang went through at this time last year (under 4,000 sold in 9/14 I believe). C.) Once the new Camaro is out, then we see more competitive numbers come into play. The last six months mean very little in the grand scheme of things." Like I said, a day late and a dollar short. I anxiously await your apology for being ignorant to this fact. Edit (after the down vote)--Nice. I give you the facts after you accused me of not doing so and then you down vote that very fact. Pathetic LS7.

But look at what GM is pumping out NOW. They have a brand new Colorado/Canyon, '16 Cruze, '16 Malibu, Their half tons were done in '13..updated again for '16, '16 Camaro, CT6, XT5, Bolt, Volt.. What has Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, Jeep done in comparison? I mean I understand when you say those were on older platforms but everything I listed is no longer on those dated platforms and the Chrsler products still are and will be for some years yet. GM is no longer living under their bailout timeline and Chrysler is with too many of their products. A platform generally lasts a minimum of 10 years. 2 completely new designs and generally 2 refreshes. CUSW was new in 13. Dart was new in 13, Cherokee in 14, Renegade in 15, Town and Country next year, Rm is from 09 with a major refresh in 13, Durango and Grand Cherokee were brand new for 11 with Major refreshes in 14 that went way further than skin deep. There is a basically new Pentastar appearing next year in the Grand Cherokee and probably others for 16. The upgrades to the LX platform were pretty major for 15 and there no longer a single component left from the original Benz platform. And the platform works. The LX cars have actually gotten quite a few accolades for the 15s in the handling department. Worry less about the age of a platform and more on how it works and it does. I can attest from m 15 Challenger drive compared to than many earlier ones I have driven, it feels like a new platform. Anyways, to continue, a replacement for the Patriot and Compass are VERY close. We are seeing these vehicles being tested now, at least the ones closest to launch including the Wrangler (thank goodness this keeps it's JK platform!), Compat replacement, and te new minivan. Their whole lineup has actually been redesigned in the least 4 years and MANY have already received major refreshes and their sales are soaring. I do thing the GM merger crap is ridiculous, but otherwise there is nowhere near the doom and gloom out there as Hyper spouts. Stew the Theta and Lambda platforms are the only two old platforms left at GM. Both will be replaced starting this year and next year. The rest of the line up is on new platforms and at least one to two generations of new models offered since the chapter 11. While the 13 Malibu was offered on the older platform it was one new model not just a simple refresh and now we have a new platform and second all new model this year. GM plowed what money they had left into product before the chapter 11 and this permitted them to bring some new product out till the new platforms arrived. While not the best product it was something vs. the simple refresh that the Chrysler cars were. The Dart is re regenerated Fiat corporation product living on discounts already. The LX models are living also on major incentives. How else can you get a 300 for $30K the price of a simple mid size car. The 200 while a nice looking car is a back marker in the segment even with incentives. Nearly every review says it is a better car than the last but far from segment leading. Transmission issues also have been an issue. The Challanger may feel new but it is older than dirt. If it had not been a decent car to start with it would have been a fatal move to just refresh it. But Chrysler can not live just on LX and Hellcat sales alone. The Fiat models have all under performed and many dealers are wanting to bail on the line. Chrysler lacks good small and mid sized cars where the volume and profits are right now and that is what Sergio needs to fix but as of now he can not even afford to pay attention. He lacks major work in Hybrids and EV cars that will hurt them in the future too. This is not just my view but also most every market watcher out there. You really have to get a grip on reality and learn this Italian idiot is killing your company to try to save his own countries brands. If you the fan does not wake up you will lose more models than just Plymouth. The people who watch the markets have put Chrysler at risk and Mitsubishi. Both have low cash reserves and volumes lower than what can sustain spending to improve the brands as needed. Again do you really think Alfa by 2017 will make the 400,000 goal Sergio predicts? Their sales this year are even down from the 168,000 of last year. If the Euro economic conditions remain as they are or worsen it will make things even more difficult than it already is. The trump card here is Chrysler but they still are not getting the money they need to do what they can do. If the world of the Hemi demise is true in 2019 that will damage them even more. This has been the calling card of Chrysler and you remove that for some imported TT V6 and many will turn away. The money also from Ferrari is not going to do much either. A billion today will fix one platform or at least a part of one major platform. I hope you like Jeep and Ram as that is all that may be left it Sergio is not removed soon. With the VW troubles they may make them a better dance partner for Chrysler and the Germans will remove Sergio in a heart beat. You do realize that when you criticize one company for their incentives, you are criticizing all of them (except for the uber luxury and high performance makes of course) right? It is a seriously tired and pointless argument based off of that one simple fact alone.

Well, we can only be online and be in a capacity to moderate at certain times of the day. There's going to be some blind spots in between rotation, but know that your patience will be of great virtue. No worries on my end.

So evidently Wings clever little response got deleted for obvious trolling and a personal attack but not before it got quoted by Bong. Thanks Bong. He has, once again, shown his true colors. Can't click on the right links or click on the right voting options. And it's my grammar that is the issue. Back to the topic...

Don't really know what that means. Really? After the last two pages of sales talk between you two, you don't know? Wow

Fact is while the big bump in Mustang sales is a boon for Ford, it is not surprising when you consider, A.) It is a brand new model after ten years of the basically the same car. B.) It's biggest competition, the Camaro, is on the way out with capacity cut months ago (hence their lower sales numbers). It's the same thing the Mustang went through at this time last year (under 4,000 sold in 9/14 I believe). C.) Once the new Camaro is out, then we see more competitive numbers come into play. The last six months mean very little in the grand scheme of things.

Why are you feeding him (as evidenced by his lack of knowledge as to why production stopped on the previous F bodies in the first place)? Topic please, stop inciting. Don't have to incite. You're doing a fine job of that yourself. Carry on.

Why are you feeding him (as evidenced by his lack of knowledge as to why production stopped on the previous F bodies in the first place)? I'm just putting up facts and third-party articles, as I usually do to back up my points. The folks in charge know what's what. The points I brought up about the Shelby's projected performance numbers were an illustration of how you need to improve all aspects of a car before you can jack prices and keep sales strong. I used Mopar as an example of how to do it right, and I expect that I may be able to use GM in a few day's time. Oh I'm not debating the facts you are presenting. It's who you are presenting them to when you know where this will end up. Just an observation.

Why are you feeding him (as evidenced by his lack of knowledge as to why production stopped on the previous F bodies in the first place)?

My apologies too for getting sucked into that. There is no call for it.

Again, kudos to GM for their win in the mid size pick up comparo against the mid size stalwart Tacoma.

Complete domination by the Colorado. Again, I am surprised. This is why Ford needs to bring back the Ranger and make the competition that much stiffer. The Colorado sure put the Tacoma on notice here.

I am surprised that the Colorado came out that far ahead, just because of the reputation the Tacoma has. Most thought the Tacoma update would be an equalizer but it is far from it. It shows how far GM has come with the Colorado and how complacent Toyota has been. Kudos to GM here.

It just proves what this car can do when it's not limping around the track from heat soak (or whatever else was ailing it). Fix this GM!

About a week ago, I changed the system so that everyone in the "members" group gets just one down vote per 24 hours and ten up votes in 24 hours. Makes sense although up until today I could not vote one way or the other for days. Thanks for the explanation Drew.

Sorry if anyone took what I said as being hostile. That is not how I am trying to come off. I really am just sick of the simple childishness exhibited by some. That is all.

Honestly, it's not the voting that is the problem and I have stated this before. It's the attitude of certain folks and I am simply done with them. That is all.

I WANT disagreement. Problem is....there are some people that just downvote...WITHOUT explanation... Personally, if that person just does NOT agree with what I have to say enough to downvote me...I expect a reason as to why he would waste enough energy reading my post and then downvoting it... There is an ignore feature in the forums, right? Just ignore what I have to say if what I have to say bothers you that you have to not like it...seems stupid to me in today's society where we dont like an opinion because its different only to downvote it because we dont like it... So as to downvote in spite...is kinda stupid...therefore THAT does not belong in an internet forum...n'est ce pas? We DONT need to agree with each other. But that also means we should also DISCUSS... That is also called trolling...something that is not wanted by me on ANY forum... That would be from whatever angle... One angle is when someone says preposterous thngs JUST to rile someone...just to feel accomplished... The other angle would be the person just downvoting JUST to rile someone's feathers... Both angles are TROLLING... Both angles dont add much to ANY conversation...so what is the point in having a discussion then? I am happy with the downvoting system...it keeps trolls at bay. What I dont like is when an honest to goodness opinion gets downvoted...and THAT is fine too...but when an honest to goodness opinion gets downvoted...explanations are in order...because at the end of the day...we are ALL entitled to an opinion... How effin pretentious is it when I offer an opinion and it gets downvoted because the person downvoting does not like what I have to say? Add insult to injury...no reason is given... You dont see how effed up THAT is? ^^^This but certain don't care what you have to say, valid or not. They just stand by their laptops and wait to down vote your next post just because they can. It is just childish, which is why we are at the point we are with it now. I don't give two $h!s if those children don't get it either. That's why they are called "children".

Infiniti in general is a mixed bag. While I detest CUVs in general, I always liked the 1st gen. FX35/45. IMO, it still looks better than most of the CUVs out there. Now, they are just bland.

It's definitely a step in the right direction, as long as it passes emissions.

I second that. Just unappealing inside and out.