surreal1272

And let’s make sure we are telling the whole truth about recalls and who is getting hit the most @G. David Felt https://caredge.com/guides/automaker-with-the-most-recalls#Most_Vehicles_Recalled_in_2024_Ford_Tops_the_List

100% missing the point there David. And still beating that near twenty year old dead horse I see. Congrats. Oh, and I missed one for the EV9 https://www.kbb.com/car-news/kia-recalls-ev9-over-loss-of-power/

Like you and many others have said before, regarding recalls. They are not the "be all, end all" in determining overall reliability of a brand, especially long term reliability. That is, of course, unless you think that Kia EV9s are also not reliable due to quite a few recalls in just two years. (7 by my count) https://www.cars.com/research/kia-ev9/recalls/

ALL Jeep Wranglers come out of the factory with bumpers and otherwise noticeable front end protection when compared to this. This truck faces the same issue as the original Plymouth Prowler. The concept model had no protection whatsoever in front of the wheels. Production models had to include small bumpers in front of them to meet US crash standards. That standard has not lessened since then.

I actually dig this from a versatility perspective (obvious nod to the mid-gate like feature) while having such a literal small footprint. That front end will have to be altered due to having absolutely no front end protection before the front wheels. Aside from that, the design actually works. Lots of potential here if they can get the obvious bugs and kinks worked out but a great concept nonetheless. That price is a little steep too, I might add.

Oh the irony of that first reply, given a certain “announcement” not 15 months ago lol. Just the same old, same old.

Yeah, I don't know how Dave missed pone key thing about the VW. When speaking of the "versatility" of the Kia vs the VW, he forgot one key thing. VW already has a 60 year head start in the 3rd party/aftermarket conversion race. VW minibus's have been on the conversion trip since they first arrived here and that market is actually pretty huge and is in the only thing that qualifies as a "van lifestyle" in this country right now. The things that have done with those is amazing and the new Buzz has already been subject to the aftermarket game. https://electrek.co/2024/08/08/customizable-campervan-conversions-for-the-vw-id-buzz/ https://www.siestacampers.com/blog/vw-id-buzz Again, one has to put their preferred brand pom poms down and look at this objectively.

I’ll find Jimmy Hoffa before you find a successful “lifestyle” van market in this country and I am a van fan from way back. However, like station wagons, that is beyond a tough sell in this country. At least VW had the good sense to give theirs hope by giving it some style. All the great tech in the world doesn’t change that fact for the Kia. Again, that thing is hideous regardless of the lifestyle choice lol.

I have already been to Kia's website and understand its versatility. It will also, again, never make it here as a consumer level van if at all. Even if ti does, half of those "features" will disappear for the U.S., like how your Kia honest have the near 360 captains chairs in the 2nd row like they do in overseas markets. Lastly, you said it looks cooler, and while looks are truly subjective, I could poll 100 people and count on less the number of fingers on one hand and that would be the number folks would say the Kia looks better than the VW. That thing is hideous on the outside.

I get it. You own a Kia EV so you break out the poms poms for them at every jump now. However, to any naked eye, no one in their right mind would say that the PV5 looks “cooler” or even looks good compared to the VW (and I am no VW fan). That profile has horrible design proportions and nothing about it screams “cool”. Even more so is that is not even for the consumer market here. That is a Euro model. Sorry but just nope.

What, exactly, did you expect from a company that still sells itself as a "Muscle car" company and has been doing well with it for well over a decade now? I see it as less "pathetic" and more having it both ways. Whether the tagline is true or not is irrelevant. The general consensus, from the ICE and especially muscle car crowd, is that the lack of a "rumble" from under the hood makes EVs seem like appliances and thus "soulless" (never mind the quirky look of the early models and even some still today). They have literally done market research towards this very thing (Stellantis). They know their audience so I would say "pathetic" is the opposite of what's going on here.

"GM is just as reliable as..." Also GM: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/gm-facing-safety-probe-into-870000-suvs-and-pickups-how-bad-is-it-184430468.html

Yeah, just a hundred variations of the stupid number/letter game and models during those years, like the former M-Class lineup, that have come and gone. Enough with the naming semantics game. You whined for years about Cadillac not having names and now that they do, you still nitpick it.

50%? Not a chance when the lightest GAS powered crew cab Silverado is 4700 lbs and they mostly tip out at near 3 tons. This would do good to get down to 7,000 lbs but even that won't happen with the current EV platform. The bigger weight problem is all that battery underneath.

I actually like the look but at near 9,000 lbs., holy smokes! Instant pot hole maker lol..