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I would still like a Lightning. One day these EVs will be more affordable for us regular folk.

It's funny, they raise the monthly lease payment ~$220/mo but they'll give you a free $1300 charger + install. The additional $8000 over 36 months waaaay more than pays for the charger and install.

Thank you! Yesterday, the 30th. Thank you!

The EQB isn't bad, because it's just a GLB Class with a solid grille. It wasn't a ground-up EV. It isn't necessarily attractive, but it also isn't ugly, imo. The others, real, real ugly.

So after only seeing a few Merc EQ-vehicles over the last handful of months. Just yesterday and today I've managed to see an EQB SUV, EQE Sedan, EQS Sedan and an EQS SUV. Also, they were all black. Just seems to odd that all of a sudden I see these in the span of basically 24hours. All of them were in motion so I couldn't grab a picture of them. Plus, they're all really ugly so it's no loss to not have to see any of them, hahaha.

I did see that already, actually. It may be worth stopping at my local Ford dealership and seeing what the numbers are like. I'm sure they will be more than I am comfortable with, but it wouldn't hurt to talk to somebody. Their current Lightning XLT lease is $335/mo. I'm not sure how I feel about the small battery though, but the 2024's do have a heat pump so it makes me feel better about the winter. If this is the new lease deal, $550 is out of the question.

Absolutely agree. If one thing is worn out, it's stressing everything else out, too. The CarFax said this dealership has already replaced both front wheel bearings (along with the front brake rotors and pads), FWIW.

So my wife and I went and drove it Saturday. It has a blown out driver front shock. I went under and looked at it after driving and heading a clunk/rattle sound coming from the driver's front end. you could see the shock coated in grease/grim and I looked at the passenger side to compare, and it was clean and dry. I brought it up to them and he's going to take that information to his GM and see what they can do or if they'll do anything. I stated that alone is a deal breaker. I will not buy something needing fairly basic maintenance to get to to just drive as it should. I know it's used but I'm not buying a project from an individual. It should at least drive the way it is supposed to. I'd be more understandable if interior things didn't work or whatnot, but not the suspension/driveline. On the positive side though, the inside was as clean as the outside. It honestly looked near-new. There weren't scratches or scuffs where elbows, fingers, or rings may routinely encounter. Everything other than that front shock seemed to operate just as they should. He's supposed to get back to me today and we will go from there.

I've caught a handful out in the wild. I'll be honest, they certainly are eye-catching. They're hideous, but do catch the eye. It honestly sucks, because it's a pretty awesome vehicle otherwise. Had it not had the stupid styling, which also leads to the finger-cutting-off-abilities, I'd want one. They look SO bad though.

This is exactly my thoughts. It isn't so much that I need something this large, but that it fits what I need/want but it's also just a damn good price. I can't find anything remotely comparable that has this service records, NOT in an accident, or even this "low" of miles. I think that's working for me with this specific vehicle is the location. It's in a town much smaller than my own, further away from St Louis. Their market of consumers is smaller and probably just need to move it. I understand the fuel economy costs, but If I could afford something with significantly improved fuel economy, it'll cost a heck of a lot more in price alone, negating some 5mpg improvement. I think I'm going to talk to them Saturday and see what can be done price-wise. I think 19k is more than I'd be comfortable with with this many miles, but If they want to move it bad enough (on the last weekend of the month AND quarter) and would accept 17-17,5 I think I'd buy it.

I'm not really considering a high mileage German-anything. The only vehicles I'd consider with this many miles are the American trucks and their corresponding full-size SUVs. They're the only ones consistently known to achieve 200k miles with relatively minimal maintenance. No, I'm really not stuck on a BOF SUV. I just hate most all of the CUVs that are 3-rows like the Traverses and Highlanders of the world. They do so little for me, I'd rather have my too-small-for-family MKC than spend money on them.

I don't think I would have an issue with it. We really don't get much crappy winter weather, but when we do, it's really crappy. I don't think I'd mind the RWD with them being heavy, low center of gravity, and even weight distribution. Decent snow tires would be sufficient but, I'd rather just not spend the $1000-1500 on tires/tires & wheels. Being realistic, I'd just rock the all-seasons/no-seasons if this were something I'd buy.

Her drive is 3 miles to the salon and mine is 1 mile to the bus stop. But, she drives to her parents' store a couple days a week that's about 25 miles away. Leaving our town to go anywhere with a Home Depot, Target, Petco, etc. is 20 miles one way or 30 miles in another way(the way towards her parents' store). so that's really where the bulk of our miles come from, because our drives to work are next to nothing. I guess I should also add that our daughter's doctor is near my in-law's store, as they watch her most days mon-fri anyway. I thought I averaged right at 12k miles/yr, but the maths must have changed over the last couple years. I've owned my MKC for right at 5.5 years and I've put 53,262 miles on it in that time. 9684 miles/yr over the last 5.5 years. I could have sworn I was driving 12k/yr when I had my Escape and Focus and just assumed it hadn't changed. FWIW, this is the Expedition that also caught my eye. 1 owner and oil changes every 5k, almost spot on. This is 5 hours away though. https://www.hamblockford.com/used/Ford/2017-Ford-Expedition-acb17645ac18587ccec3bbd514061849.htm

$299 with very low operating costs would be great but I am not seeing $299 for an EV9. $300 and less for a payment is where I would be comfortable right now. My MKC was $252/mo. I know that's very little for a vehicle, hence why I'm not really shopping new or anything expensive, at all. I guess the base model RWD is under $300. The Light RWD Long range is, as well. I'm just not sure how I feel about RWD with our occasional shty winters.

Thank you! It isn't gone. The one that is gone is the Carmax or Carvana Honda Pilot Drew posted. Yeah, I just have a feeling that won't happen for quite a few years. Unless I get a pretty big pay raise, I couldn't justify a 60k truck. Even if I were to save up, say 30k with trade in of my Lincoln, I couldn't just drop 30k and still borrow 30k for such a depreciating asset.

Yeah, I own my MKC. Trade is is something like 11-12k. It's also rated the same as the Pilot's 18/26 mpg. See, I don't think there are many major repairs unless the cam phasers or timing chain goes bad. I could be very wrong, but don't F150's run forever as long as they aren't neglected? "Least worst" is terms I can understand with crossovers. That makes the most sense then. I just don't want something that I don't like at all and I feel like that's just most every crossover from "mainstream" brands. I've also been keeping an eye on Q7's with either the s/c V6 or turbo v6. Somebody is already buying it, hahaha Yeah, I get it. I just know that if I'm not buying this, I am likely just not buying anything. I just don't want anything that...sucks... I'd rather wait and save and buy a Lightning.

Yes, those are all expensive but that's what most of the asking prices are on full size SUVs... That's why 18,700 really isn't that bad of a starting point, at least IMO. Considering budget is of the most important things here, none of those are even under 20k. Flexes aren't a bad idea. They're kind of along the lines of ugly and cool, actually. MKTs are just the worse looking vehicles made in the last 20 years. I hate those things so got damn much, Hahaha. What's exciting about a Pilot? Some n/a v6 with no torque? I'm sure it's a great overall vehicle.. It's just as boring as a Traverse or Explorer though.

Budget. If this weren't priced right, I wouldn't consider it. We don't NEED this vehicle or something this large. I just really despise most anything else in this year-range that's a smaller 3-row SUV, Traverses, Explorers, Highlanders, basic-Durangos, whatever-Kia/Hyundai-3-row-SUV-that's-boring-as-fck-too. I've been keeping an eye out for the 03-05 Aviators. They're either all trashed or asking 10-12k for one with less than 100k miles. They just don't seem worth it, even though I think they're cool. I've also been keeping an eye out on the 06-10 Explorers with the 4.6, but almost everybody ordered theirs with the slow and inefficient 4.0 V6.

I don't think you guys realize how well all of these full-size SUVs hold their value.

Yeah, it's one of those ugly vehicles that I still think look kind of good. If that even makes sense, Hahaha. I'm trying to think of another ugly vehicle that I like, but nothing is popping into be head right now.

Genuinely not trying to be a dick, but can you find something that fits that in your area? I've come across a '17 Expedition Limited for basically the same price w/ 110k miles on it...but it's 5 hours away. My wife and I used to be totally down to make a trip for a vehicle that fits our budget and vehicle criteria, but it's a little different with a little one now. I don't think I'd make a 10hr round trip purchase with a 9mo old. I pretty much find the opposite without going considerably older. I should also note that the 17's have CarPlay and anything older does not, at least at Ferd. I'm not tied to Ford/Lincoln, they just seem to be cheaper than the GM triplet.

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Hey guys! I kind of accidently came across this while just looking for something to fit our needs. I certainly don't need something quite this large, but it does seem pretty awesome. So anyway, I came across a 2017 Lincoln Navigator Reserve priced at 18,7XX. It does have a lot of miles, but all full-size SUVs(regardless of brand) seem to last forever as long as you don't neglect them. It has 128k on the odometer already. It kind of worries me, but it isn't 1990 and vehicles last a heck of a lot longer than they used to. This price is what really made me look into it further because it's really good. Most anything else full size has either more miles or costs considerably more. This more or less "fell into my lap" while just looking for other vehicles to replace the MKC. It's the last year of this generation of Navigator along with the final year of the gen1 EcoBoost and 6spd auto. I would have to imagine that combination should be pretty bulletproof at the last year of production, right? FWIW, this is a 380hp/460tq version of the gen1 EcoBoost. The previous owners seem to have maintained it pretty well with oil change intervals of 5-8k. I have read these EcoBoosts need frequent oil changes and not to exceed 5k with full syn. That part isn't an issue for me, but the previous owners weren't as strict as I would be. in addition to the oil change intervals, Per the Carfax, and what I saw in person, it has all new front brakes (pads and rotors) and wheel bearings. It also has a brand new set of tires on it (a brand I don't recognize and not what I'd choose, but still great to have). My wife and I went and looked at it in person Saturday, after hours, to just get an idea of how clean or not clean it was on the outside. It's surprisingly REALLY clean. I figured there would at least be a scuffed wheel or two, but there wasn't. Well guys, what do you think? Here are some pictures from their website, that I also linked below. https://www.stauntonchrysler.com/used/Lincoln/2017-Lincoln-Navigator-a7f35ee3ac18177fef5a1c1aa81e45c7.htm

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That was a very long-winded way of saying you got ~70tq So, how's it feel with the additional torque?!?