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Which is weird because you JUST claimed the Caddy will have more room based on paper numbers, yet dismiss the Tesla paper numbers, or anybody else's.

You did notice the differences in headroom between the X and Lyriq, right? One has much more leg room but the other had much more head room. 3+ inches more headroom in front and 3+ inches more headroom in back, per your pictures. The 3rd row seat in the Model X is a joke and it certainly feels like they did it just to say they could.

You literally just said you cannot take paper numbers because you've sat in things that aren't as roomy as the numbers would suggest. But the Lyriq is an anomaly?

4.1 VS 4.8 cubic feet. How can you say this?

Then you'll likely be calling the Lyriq a failure as well then. No chance it will be significantly larger than a Model X. I mean, not everybody has Tesla money so there's that as well. The MachE isn't exactly the model example of dollars per space either. It's just a missed opportunity and looks lazy, IMO.

As noted by @oldshurst442, 6.5 cubic feet isn't small by any means. A Malibu has 15.7 cubic feet, for reference.

And I feel like all of those companies are missing out on a good opportunity. Nothing significantly different than this.

Tesla and Ford have very usable front trunks and even Audi's 2+ cubic feet is very useful. Tesla and Ford's are even on much smaller vehicles.

Thanks for the information. The Model X seems to have an abundance of space, everywhere. The Lyriq just seems to have such a large "engine bay" that could/should still be able to have at least 2 cubic feet of space available. It isn't like their rear cargo space is THAT much larger than what they chose to compare it to. It's a perfectly fine vehicle and the lack of a small frunk wouldn't stop me, it's just a little disappointing it doesn't have one when I feel like they could have engineered one in and still had a large boot.

Lyriq Chief Engineer, Jamie Brewer, recently explained to GM Authority that the team decided to prioritize rear cargo space over two separate cargo areas. Thus, the 2023 Cadillac Lyriq will have a larger traditional rear storage area. In fact, according to Brewer, that enables the Lyriq to boast the “largest cargo volume in its competitive set.” That made us wonder what, exactly, is the Lyriq’s competitive set. According to Cadillac spokesperson, Katie Minter, it consists of the Audi e-tron and Jaguar I-Pace. “Lyriq is aimed at customers that are looking for a luxury SUV with outstanding styling, ride and handling and seamlessly integrated technology. In this instance, we’re looking at vehicles such as the Audi e-tron and Jaguar I-Pace,” Minter told GM Authority in an emailed statement. So then, Lyriq has a maximum cargo volume of 60.8 cubic feet behind the first row seats and 28.0 cubic feet behind the second row. When compared to the Audi e-tron and the Jaguar I-Pace, the Lyriq does offer more space in the back. 2023 Cadillac Lyriq Cargo vs. e-tron I-Pace Cadillac Lyriq Audi e-tron Jaguar I-Pace Rear cargo volume behind second row (cu. ft.) 28.0 28.5 25.3 Rear cargo volume behind first row (cu. ft.) 60.8 56.5 51.0 Frunk cargo volume (cu. ft.) N/A 2.12 0.95 Total front & rear cargo volume (cu. ft.)* 28.0 30.62 26.25 * With second row seats upright However, both the e-tron and the I-Pace feature frunks (2.12 cubic feet in the e-tron, 0.95 cubic feet in the I-Pace respectively), allowing the e-tron to have slightly more total cargo volume (combined frunk and rear cargo area). https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/05/heres-why-the-2023-cadillac-lyriq-doesnt-have-a-frunk/

That's probably a better worded way to put it. It's a missed opportunity. They're all liquid cooled at this point and I can't imagine Ford and Tesla are having battery cooling issues, at least I haven't heard of any yet and I've watched a fair amount on the Mach-E and know somebody with a pair of Teslas in Nevada. I don't believe lack of cooling has ever been a factor in an EV catching fire. It's always something shorting and sparking with poor connection(s) somewhere. I'd also like to learn why. They have to have a good justification, I know they're not a bunch of idiots who "didn't think of it". I just don't want the press release answer of "we needed the space for packaging".

Yeah, one seems like a mistake... Any EV that isn't taking advantage of the lack of an ICE and making frunk, seems like a mistake, imo. I can understand on vehicles the size of a Bolt and Leaf, as there really isn't much of a hood area to begin with. They're small vehicles.

If Tesla can with their entire lineup and Ford with the Mach-E, I don't see a reason their packaging necessitates the extra space.

Yeah, but, it should have had a frunk there instead of a clean "engine bay".

Term limits are only a part of what's needed but it would be an acceptable start. Stay cool you say? We're having beautiful weather after a two week run of upper 90's and 100 degree F weather. Yesterday and today's highs are 81 degrees F!

Hahaha sure did... For an area that is very anti-Stan Kroenke, we've been kicked in the balls a couple times in the last 5 months. Which is unfortunate because I'm genuinely happy for the Rams players. I'm really glad to see Stafford win along with guys like Aaron Donals, Kupp, Weddle, Von Miller, Andrew Witworth and even punter Johnny Hekker as he was a Ram while they were in STL. I'm no fan of OBJ though. I cannot stand his personality.

It is significant and how they've been put in a position to make life-changing decisions for the rest of us. (every politician ever ? ?)

No probby! Yep, I don't mind the back and forth because I know, at the end of the day, we're still a family here! Speaking of sports... I'm quite disappointed in Colorado winning. I mostly just hate their owner as he's the owner of the former Stl Rams, Stan Kroenke.

I was going for a run and came across a small little car show/meet. @oldshurst442 seen’t a 442 and thought if ya! There was even something electric for @David! Buuut I don’t think he could fit..??

Can we vote people off the island?

I LOVE how jacked you guys got knowing your arch nemesis has helped fund medical research.

This is one hawt tag team

1. Not trolling 2.

You're going to go the route that some other doctor could just take his place? You're probably right and it's just that simple. This probably belongs in a different thread as it's quite irrelevant to vaccinations.