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I don't know why you added anything up. What I showed you was the 2021 Q4 10-k. It was the totals for the years in the snippets, 2019-2021. It wasn't just a Q4 report, it was for the entire year. I don't know what numbers you're getting showing losses but if you subtract the ARC from the bottom line, they're still profitable. The ARCs were not keeping them afloat in 2021. I'm also not exactly sure how you can facepalm data directly off of the SEC's website. There is zero bias in that data.

It's actually over 50% on the Blazer. The ICE Blazer starts at 35k and the EV Blazer starts at 56k. They've already axed the FWD 1LT model (44k) As of RIGHT NOW, it costs the consumer more then 50% more to go from the cheapest ICE Blazer to the cheapest EV Blazer.

I take it you haven't bothered to look at their financial statements. Take away the credits and they were 100% profitable in 2021 still. Prior to that, no. They were using those credits to stay afloat and it worked. Which, is basically what I said, "they've been profitable for the last few years." https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000095017022000796/tsla-20211231.htm#item_8_financial_statememts_supplementar

I agree they need to do that but I disagree that they don't know how. They know they need the demand and mass production to get there. You can't get costs down until you're selling hundreds of thousands a year or more.

They're making money. I'm not sure why you think they're losing money on vehicles but they've been profitable for the last few years. Look over pages 4-6. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000162828023034847/tsla-20230930.htm#ib5ff2de9b5b0458894a3412674c85416_16

Technically Ford made an Electric Focus... because California.

They're also building 2 or 3 manufacturing plants for EVs and/or battery production. They'll likely be in the red for awhile until all of that is finished and they can get production out of those. That's the cost of doing business.

I love MORR videos. I watch a ton of their stuff on my way to and from work on the bus. I watched this last week and man, that thing was junk when they got to it.

Explain this. This is literally the first time I've read this.

Just in time to be 3 or 4 years late! Not only are they not the first electric truck, they're not the 2nd or 3rd either. They better come out with a banger of a product if you're going to announce first, be 3 or 4 years late and now they're the 4th in the category. Technically, 5th, if you count the GMC Hummer.

It is different but CVTs have been around for a long time now and that no-shift-feeling is what people like about them. There's just no engine noise to accompany the acceleration. And, I know there are differences and people should test out EVERY vehicle before purchasing. But that isn't unique to EVs. Test drive for awhile at a dealership. I'm not saying to not have EVs in rental fleets. I just don't think it is ideal for the majority of people who don't give a crap about their transportation.

Of course everybody cares about that stuff but are there people who think they'll be THAT much different from an ICE vehicle? They think the ergonomics are going to be so vastly different because its powered by electricity as opposed to gasoline? There are people who think the fit and finish will be different because it doesn't have a gasoline engine? I know people are REALLY stupid A LOT of the time but that's tough to comprehend.

I will certainly agree with that. I just don't think *most* people are worried about that stuff. It feel like more people are concerned with charging them and that whole situation.

This discussion has been had before but I agree with @trinacriabob's interaction, I don't think rentals is a great way to get EVs into peoples' hands. The biggest advantage of an EV is charging overnight, at home, for very few dollars. Renting them negates all of that. Having to deal with public chargers isn't a great way to have a great experience.

While I don't exactly think there is a "problem", I also don't exactly think a manufacture-produced video proves much of anything. Obviously the manufacturers are working to avoid fires but this doesn't really prove that there isn't currently a problem.

I was in Chrome and under the "Google Password Manager" then "Password Checkup" and it said this. I also had one for Yahoo, which also doesn't have anything personal of mine on it.

I didn't notice this until now but has anybody else gotten this notification through Chrome? I mean, I know there's no personal information held on this site from me but still interesting. @Drew Dowdell

I don't think this will be some revolution but I do think it will help get buyers into EVs.

I didn't even know there was a credit for used EVs. That makes them even more inticing.

I got to walk around one of the Rivian Amazon vans. I wanted to ask the lady what she thought of it but didn't think she'd want to be slowed down while just trying to work so I left her alone.

The Prologue looks so much better than the Blazer. The flatter hood makes the proportions just look so much cleaner and sportier without having to add all sorts of fake vents like the BlazerEV. It's also still annoying that GM couldn't engineer a frunk into their EV SUVs, and now Honda has to pay for that as well. I also just like they didn't name it Pilot EV, like Chevy did with the Blazer EV. Honda gave it its own name.

Hahaha Datsun works! Uhhhh I'd say none of it at first, Ultium. Until they take over the power unit from Alpine(Datsun!), there won't be any Ultium in there. Once, or if, they take the power unit control in-house, then it'd be an Ultium powered unit. The reason, at least how I see it, is because Alpine will still making their own power unit for their own cars. They won't want one power unit they're producing to have their electrical system and then one to have a GM electrical system. That would add unnecessary complexity to the R&D of the all-new power unit and it would likely make both units worse because there is a cost cap for the teams and this would, undoubtedly, increase the spending. After trying to look into the cost cap regulations, the engine cost cap are different and I can't find the specific regulations regarding how the engines cost against the cap. " What comes under the F1 cost cap? Any expenditure related to car – but not engines – performance is relevant for the cost cap. This includes: All parts on the car (from the steering wheel to the wheel nuts) All the elements needed to run the car Most of the team personnel Garage equipment Spares Transport costs Everything in between The biggest area of focus is car development costs, with teams having a weigh up what is developed, how much is spent on each part which is manufactured and how many of the parts are needed and can be afforded without overspending. What doesn’t come under the F1 cost cap? There are several big-ticket things that aren’t covered by the cost cap, including: Driver salaries The wages of the three highest-paid staff members Travel costs Marketing spend Property and legal costs Entry and licence fees Any non-F1 or road car activities Parental and sick leave payments Employee bonuses and staff medical benefits Engines – which are more complex because some teams make their own while others buy them – are covered by their own set of cost regulations." https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-cost-cap-what-is-it-how-it-works/10379800/

Haha I just like to say Nissan because... I hate Nissan... Haha I would wager good money that they're using Alpine as a supplier because they're so far behind on the new 2026 power units. It's 2026, by the way, when they'll enter F1. It's 2026 because there are all new power unit regulations and a lot more electrification, along with a lower money spending cap, so it's more financially feasible for new/smaller teams to compete with the Mercedes, Red Bulls, and Ferraris of the sport. Here's a little list of the power unit changes; https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.more-efficient-less-fuel-and-carbon-net-zero-7-things-you-need-to-know-about.ZhtzvU3cPCv8QO7jtFxQR.html There's also more news on Audi joining F1. They'll be a power unit supplier for Sauber(who's currently running as Alfa Romeo). This will also be a 2026 change and it sounds like the same thing Ford will be doing for Red Bull Racing. So in 2026 we will see Ford, Cadillac, and Audi all enter F1 and I'm freakin stoked about that! https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-sauber-to-become-audi-works-f1-team-from-2026.6EMJQ2LlvshgpCXdCR9xJl.html Oh, I also think it's really cool that Cadillac has made it a requirement to have at least one American driver. That was part of them getting allowed into F1. I assume it's to help continue their US expansion and ratings.

@oldshurst442, They did it! Andretti got approval from the FIA for their F1 GM/Cadillac team. https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/38548308/andretti-wins-fia-approval-bid-enter-f1-11th-team As I've mentioned before, I'm not stoked AT ALL about them using a Nissan power unit but, if that's what's necessary to get their foot in the door, then so be it.

Thanks! it was a good one. My uncle, aunt, and cousin were in town from LA because my cousin may be attending a university in the area and he had a shooting competition at the school. So, I got to see some family that I don't get to see too often, so that was pretty cool .