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And most folks not realizing its a Lincoln is a good thing... Most modern folks in 2015 dont really have any emotional ties to Lincoln... The last time modern new millennium society had any real strong emotional ties to a Lincoln was with first and second generation Navigators...and the Lincoln LS sedan...even the Aviator (mini-Navigator) failed to move the needle on the emotional scale... So...like I said...this Continental is a good start for Lincoln to get back some emotion from the people...even if most of those people dont know its a Lincoln...which I happen to think its a good thing... WHY? Lincoln does not have to go down the Oldsmobile and Buick way of self-insulting themselves in commercials like "This aint your father's Oldsmobile" and "That's NOT a Buick!" Lincoln will use the Continental's beautiful lines to do the talking... And in my honest opinion...I really dont see THAT much Bentley in the design...maybe a little...but not enough that Bentley went ape shyte on Lincoln... To tell you the truth...I think Bentley realized just how much bland their cars really are and were taken by surprise that a Continental....Lincoln Continental show car could look more majestic than ANY Bentley....ever...just my opinion.... And yeah...I dont really go goo-goo ga-ga over Bentleys....ANY Bentley...ever! And I really dont care how much they cost to buy...'cause if I had Jay Leno money...Bentley would NOT be my first choice...or second choice...or third, fourth, fifth, and sixth choice for a luxury car purchase...too square lookin'...I mean than literally and figuratively...and yeah...if Lincoln builds that Continental like what we actually see in the pics...Id rather own that than a Bentley...money be damned...

Those are my exact thoughts on the Avenir. And I too...would like to see a long hood AND long deck full sized American car again.

Continental Camaro CT6 Ford GT NSX (Ha! That is a good one!) (but yeah...really!) Volt Tesla Model X Malibu That list is just for starters

How old are you? My 8 year old son does not even find that funny anymore...

Still your opinion though... And everybody is entitled to one... I for one...thinks that the Continental far outshines the Avenir...because the Avenir....does look awkward... Good from far...but faaaaaaaar from good....is all Im sayin'... And what is that? A Wraith? A brick of a car that has no style...but costs a fortunes that is why people go goo-goo ga-ga over it....no style is what Im sayin' At least the Continental is lowered closer to the ground and less of a brick...is alls Im sayin'... But the Avenir and Wraith does have it beat in one area though...RWD and both are NOT V6s... Re-read my edited version and see if you got anything else for me. Nah...me likes it this way... I dont need to re-read your edited version... One thing I do agree with you is that One Ford Mullaly has killed Lincoln...and before One Ford Mullaly came into power...Lincoln tried many faces...and conitues that path of many faces not sticking to one bloody design language...If they would just keep one and refine it... Go back to 2002 and see Arts and Science in action....real awkward....it wasnt a smashing success...but enough positive attention was got and Cadillac kept it and refined it... The many faces of Lincoln...were all POSITIVE too, excpet Lincoln never had the patience to actually stick to one and refine it... One could moan about the Continental....its a good start...lets just leave it at that... I wont remind you folk how cheap the frst generation CTS was...and how ugly it was too...but it was polarizing and a Cadillac...and Cadillac took it from there...and remeber...the CTS started off as a Catera...an Opel Omega....the Caddy that Zigs...so...Cadillac dipped their feet into the realm of BMWs...but did not want to commit...then finally...they saw the light...and commited...with the CTS... So...Lincoln is commited...finally...now that One Ford Mullaly is no longer in charge...so...cut Lincoln some slack...

Still your opinion though... And everybody is entitled to one... I for one...thinks that the Continental far outshines the Avenir...because the Avenir....does look awkward... Good from far...but faaaaaaaar from good....is all Im sayin'... And what is that? A Wraith? A brick of a car that has no style...but costs a fortunes that is why people go goo-goo ga-ga over it....no style is what Im sayin' At least the Continental is lowered closer to the ground and less of a brick...is alls Im sayin'... But the Avenir and Wraith does have it beat in one area though...RWD and both are NOT V6s...

Neither... A spoiler is nice on some cars...and the spoiler itself has to fit the image of the car... A1969 Daytona NEEDS that huge spoiler... A 2015 Buick Regal....does not...in fact,,,the 2015 Regal is sooooo sleek....it does not even need darkened wheels and black chrome trim....its welcomed in my book too, but I dont need those darkened wheels and black chrome to feel sporty in the Regal....what I do need though is that OPC version from Europe to feel sporty... You mentioned the 4rth gen F-Body... You see...the 4rth gen F-Body NEEDED those spoilers...and those flared nostrils and Ram Air ducts and vents...because boy racer...and it fit Pontiac's image to a tee... 1980s cars....needed those spoliers too... A Lambo Countach could not have been THE poster car of the 1980s had it not been for that spoiler...in fact...some people even put front spoilers on that car...it was all about the excess free wheelin' 80s... During the 1970s...the Countach was just a bland car...even with scissor doors...is what Im sayin'....those spoilers and plastic body panels is what made the Countach into a legend is what Im sayin'... So they do have a place is what Im sayin' Im sayin' a lot of things....is what Im also sayin'

Like Ever... And these engines...they fit them ANYWHERE.... I could post pics of LS engine swaps....but that might upset some pure die hard Porsche, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Nissan and just about every oher car maker..fans... Shyte...LS engine swaps are even made in AIRPLANES!!!

How 'bout LOVING both them EQUALLY... You are an American, right? Even if you had to raise your right hand and pledge allegiance to the flag...you are still an American... Im born a Canadian....and still love me some Americana....Ford, GM, Mopar... You see, Wings...your attitude right there....it STINKS!!!

OK...that Ill agree to... But not that North Eastern temps will screw it up...

Yeah...Corvettes do sound great... Oh...you mean the Coyote.....they sound good too... THAT is the difference....YOU are one biased MOFO!!! Why would I want a LARGER in size V8 engine? The Corvette has a more compact V8 that sits very low and very far back in the engine bay making the Corvette technically a front mid-engined vehicle...Technically speaking...one could say the Vette is already a mid-engiend car...in theory.. Does it have its limitations? Sure... But...like El K has said...the SBC has been writing down names and kicking ass since 1955...

I dont think so...GM's chrome trim in the 1970s/1980s/1990s held up pretty good in Quebec winters... Just for a visual of some Cadillacs with chrome trim on the bottom of the cars... And Chevy cars had that chrome trim too... I would also check that option and have me some chrome... Part of Americana.... I LOVE Americana... To tell you the truth...not from that angle....does the Avenir shine...it looks awkward from the back...the back end...just looks weird after many days of looking at it...but the Continetal looks good in all angles... Just an opinion...like yours...

And it pisses people off that GM keeps on building them...for some reason... I think its because GM spanks some ass with them...oh well...long live the SBC!!! In all its OHV glory!!!

OCNBLU mentioned T-Type...that would not be a bad trim name for what Buick wants to do here. Or maybe resurrect and steal from Oldsmobile "International Series" and further the "sport trim" package... Because I kinda find "ST" and "Sport Trim" kinda lame... Like... on the level of Taylor Swift-Ariana Grande "spat", lame. You cant get more lame than that actually.

Is there any way Johan de Nysschen can make present Cadillac dealers lose their license to sell Cadillacs if they refuse to co-operate with the vision that Johan has for Cadillac? I know dealerships are fully owned and operated privately and independently from GM...but GM still licenses their right to operate a Cadillac franchise, non? And if so...arent franchisors bound by what corporate office says? Im just confused about the whole "vision they might not support" thing... Its not what they say goes...its what the Cadillac Boss wants that goes... Or is it because car dealerships have their own set of laws and are not run like a "McDonald's franchise"?

Would I be crossing the line in telling you that you are full of sunshine today? I know it aint a GM car...but can you at least admire the bloody car? Or hate the way it looks...I dont care either way....its just that your posting style today struck me as odd behavior. The fact of the matter is still this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a26337/go-lutz-yourself-driven-by-design/ From the link (posted today in Road and Track): "There aren't any bad cars anymore. They just don't exist. The days of seeing a comparison test of four cars where one is the obvious loser are gone, replaced by a new age of automotive equality. Reliability, braking, steering, handling, ride, and refinement are all largely on par across automakers and segments. That leaves just one chief differentiator: design." "Who's consistently at the top? Hyundai and Kia. Everything that company does is beautifully executed, thanks to the efforts of head designer Peter Schreyer." Two things that I want to show you 1. All cars today are about on the same level of reliability...some are still better than others....like that paragragh says... 2. Buick may or may not build the Avenir, but Im willing to bet that Hyundai WILL produce this thing in the next two years...and THAT is a good thing...for us...the car enthusiasts... Dont mean to single you out today...Im sorry if it seems that way...but your posts just struck a chord with me today. I hope we could remain friendly to each other regardless of what has transpired today between us. PS: Im actually down with the Fusion headlight design in this car...

yeah...I could see where you are coming from...the rear buttocks remind me of the Avenir somewhat also. But the Avenir is not a coupe, and as SMK said, about Lincoln not doing a Mark VIII and Buick not having a Riviera and an El Miraj / Eldorado still a decade away...this car...with a V8 making 400 horsepower under the hood is a cool thing none the less... And thanx to you...I can now see the Fusion headlights in the design...Im not sure how to handle that though...Ill tell you tomorrow...

I dont know what to think about the looks of it. It aint ugly. It aint pretty. It aint bad actually...... I dont like it. I dont hate it. Its interesting... And THAT is a good thing.

Im sorry to hear you live In the Ghetto You could start by taking the Midnight Train to Georgia Or you could hop on the bus and go to Kansas City...Kansas City Here I Come... Or you could just say "Screw that man!!! Who needs this shyte???!!! Im gonna go down to Montego Bay and chill on the beach 4 ever!"

Im still waiting for the LF-LC to come along... And by the time it does finally arrive, I will probably lose interest....it has been 3-4 years already with another 2 before it reaches showrooms... Its still a sexy car though... The Acura NSX has my interest currently for Japanese flagships/halo cars... But wait...the way this is written, it seems like the LF-LC is not a sure thing...and Im under the impression that the LF-LC is scheduled to arrive in 2017....am I missing something here?

Chevrolet Trax. Mazda CX3 Honda HRV Small enough to zoom in and out of the urban jungle....in fact...these are urban vehicles that are built exactly for the urban environment. Big enough to carry passengers comfortably. Hatchback design to carry bulky stuff for the Uber passenger. Fuel efficient for the need to be on the road constantly. As far as I know, all three vehicles mentioned are quite reliable so far. And...the best thing about them...Starting base prices is @ $20 000...NEW...plus one could get great prices on them with clearance sales and employee discounts and stuff...

Thanx Wings for that post. This is what I enjoy. Not the lame fanboyism. This is what I always knew about you. That you are quite knowledgeable about automobiles, engines and stuff. This is what I want to read from you. Again. Thanx. I appreciated your input.

at MR. DFELT. Thank-you for thanking me.

at MPOWER Im not upset. Its is you that is upset because it is you that has taken the time to denounce pushrod engines. It seems it is you that wants to eradicate pushrods from the face of the earth just because you have a certain driving style and pushrods and loads of torque is against all that you believe in. It seems like you are the intolerant one. Have you noticed that I never said a word about DOHC engines? You have no idea how I feel about DOHC engines....just your preconcieved notions and biases against muscle cars and muscle car type guys... You know what is great about engineering? Its because there is ALWAYS more than one way to solve a problem. You knoiw what is great about engineers? Its that engineers are a tenacious bunch. They WILL find the solutions necessary... And you know what is great about being a car guy? Is that you RESPECT all car philosophies and how engineers answer the same performance equation while getting the same answer using a different solution... About superchargers and pushrod OHV engines and them being big and cumbersome compared to DOCH turbo V8s... Dont tell that to Chevy engineers with their LS-9... Dont tell that to the thousands of hot rodders who swap the original engines of different cars...Porsche 911s, Nissan Sylvias, even Miatas and Toyobaru FRS-BRZs with Chevy`s LS engines...and some of these are supercharged... More détails then this..I cant give you...as I aint an engineer....but I do know one thing...that Chevy`s LS V8 engines... are just about as compact as one could get for V8s...and as for turbos...when you already start with a compact package...as compared to a hugely displaced DOCH V8 which ois bigger in every way as compared to a Chevy LS V8...and DOCH V8 from any manufacturer...your assumptions might be just that...assumptions... PS: You still dont know how I feel about DOCH V8s....I wouldnt make an opinion about how I feel about them if I were you...because stating that Chevy LS V8s are a smaller package thyan DOCH V8s is just facts...

MR. DFELT Ive used your above post on another site to prove a point. I feel like you expressed the feelings that I have excellently about a similar subject regarding self loathing Americans that prefer to see the American car industry destroyed over foreign ones. I hope you dont mind?