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Sorry folks... But but we are talking about a forced induction engine versus a naturally aspired one... Turbo charge or supercharge a V8 or a V6... Here...this is what a SUPERCHARGED V8 looks like... I understand Hyper... But at the end of the day...its still a 4 cylinder under the hood...sure 300 horses...Id rather have 300 NATURALLY ASPIRATED horses in V6 or V8 form... Not to sour up what the ecoboost 4 Mustang or turbo 4 Camaro are all about....its a helluva an achievement for both vehicles...however... Dont try to sell me up on it... Id rather an LT1 or LS1 from the 1990s than either 4 pot... That is just me... Im excited to see both of these 4 cylinder versions of both cars what they could do... I understand the different and WELCOME both marketing strategies...however...at the end of the day...a NTAURALLY ASPIRATED 5.3 liter V8 is what Id rather than ANY version of the Camaro...again...that is just me... But dont tell me...no matter what upgrades you do to a turbo 4 cylinder car...that it feels like a V8...because it doesnt... It may be as fast...faster...but it definitely doesnt NOT feel like a naturally aspirated V8... As with the Hellcat on top....yeah...if Im gonna go down a forced induction road...Id rather a suercharged Hemi please...not an ecoboosted 4...

I suppose you are right... Im just quite peeved at this...I want blood! I want somebody to poke at VW...I dont care who it might be! Top Gear had the right idea... Die Volkswagen Die! And no...not in German for THE Volkswagen THE I REALLY mean DIE Volkswagen DIE!!! In GERMAN...courtesy of Google Translate: STERBEN Volkswagen STERBEN

Yeah...but...if its fuel eceonomy you seek...you stick to the 4 cylinder... If its medium power with moderate fuel efficiency....you stick to the 6 cylinder...and if you want raw power... With Ford...buy an ecoboost 4 cylinder for fuel economy.... or Ill rent myself a Mustang from Hertz for the week-end... Ford's I4 Mustang offers it's best fuel economy, and instant torque that feels like a small V8. How foolish would Ford be to offer this for less money than their far weaker V6. Nope...nope it doesnt feel like a small V8...it feels like a turbocharged 4 cylinder car... Weaker V6? Only because Ford chooses it to be weaker...and muffled...and stifled...and left behind to rot in rental car parks...

Yeah...but...if its fuel eceonomy you seek...you stick to the 4 cylinder... If its medium power with moderate fuel efficiency....you stick to the 6 cylinder...and if you want raw power... With Ford...buy an ecoboost 4 cylinder for fuel economy.... or Ill rent myself a Mustang from Hertz for the week-end...

here ya go, this VW thing will be the catalyst (no pun intended) for the tyrants (aka governments) to start to rid the world of diesel http://www.dailymail...green-fuel.html i wonder if GM and Chevy do an about face on an available diesel for the new Cruze here now, after this, Sure they can....they could easily play cut throat advertising and just say their Cruze Diesel does NOT cheat the system and its clean...unlike VW's TDi "clean" diesel.. They could say...EPA tested and approved and NOT circumvented...

That is true... about the Mustang being a global car...and so a 4 cylinder is a must...but then again...a Camaro also has a turbo 4...so that is a push... So...the deal with that is that the ecoboost 4 is a mid-level offering as opposed to GM's turbo 4...less horsepower but just about an equal amount of torques...as a BASE engine for GM VS mid-level for Ford... Can you say Blackjack pays 2 to 1...

When you break it down that way...it becomes a very apparent that Ford's gamble on this ecoboost 4 pot as a mid-level engine is kinda like a field bet in craps...16 ways to win...but 20 ways to lose!!! You just got bitten by snake eyes!!! a 5.3 liter V8....or 327 as how I would like to call it...would make a FANTASTIC engine option for the Camaro...especially as a mid-level offering...

Well...Im gonna allow some love for at least one of their pics... That Miura concept WAS indeed a gorgeous recreation of a gorgeous classic... although I agree with Lambo's decision NOT to produce this concept...because Lamborghini after the Countach...which was the Miura's successor, was never about fluid shapes and elegant styling...but in your face, violent lines and arrogance...so when this concept came out in the mid 2000s or so...it definitely does not fit in with Lambo's shocking styling 40 years in the making... And yes...the list was crap...

That is thing though...you also speculated that some of those people are actually still employed there... BTW...you bought a Fprd product in 2013, like myself...in the 1970s...Ford killed many also...to say that they learned their lesson from gas tanks and such...the Panther cars had the same problem as the Pinto cars in the late 1990s...yet...you still bought a Ford... OK...That was the 1970s...and the 1990s... Toyota...Unintended accelration. Honda...Takata...airbags. Audi...unintended acceleration VW and Audi...circumventing software that masks air pollution...sure its serious... So...now that we;ve eliminated 6 car companies...including GM and Ford just to be fair..because to say ts ONLY GM its ludicrous..maybe now if you tell me your next car will come from Chrysler...oops...they too have had corruption...OK...7 car companies... To say that your next vehicle will come from Volvo, Mazda and Peugeot..Ill buy into your logic and thought process...but if not...Im sorry...but your logic is a no go with me... You are correct but I believe in the Article the way it was worded made it sound like they are still working there as the employees back in the 70's I have absolutely no clue about. I have said it before about the GM situation that..time heals all wounds. And I believe it with this as well. Well, ford has airbag issues as well, I believe. I think I have a current outstanding recall for an air bag. It just isn't one of the takata ones. With those other problems was their proof that said employees KNEW about the problem while continuing to use the part in the cars? Or was it just a big fck up that was discovered later? Honestly, I do not know that answer. But that is my gripe. They knew and possibly still have a job there. Yeah...Ford has an airbag recall....My Fusion has it too.. Is yours about some sort of module being defective and in case of a crash...the airbag might not deploy? Maybe they are working at GM still... This is why I said...instead of "boycotting" GM, why dont we actually fight to get these guys FIRED from GM...and put on trial? Not only GM employees ...Delco employess too...because I remember even some engineers at Delco KNEW that the part would fail...told their bosses, but their bosses did nothing also...because contract is too big to deny...everybody it seems was thinking in terms of money... EVERYBODY HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION. The excuse of...I was just doing my job...should not fly in a circumstance like this one. We..have turned into a society of zombies only looking at money and material objects...

Dear Burnt LS7... You could downvote this too... It just show hw much of a loser you really are... You stated an opinion...I countered...and no other rebuttal... Why is that? because it shows you are a weasel...a biased poster against one bloody company... I dont care....GM or Ford or Honda...they are all corporations with their CEOs thinking about THEIR own bottom line and THEIR own well being...not mine... Be a stooge in hatin' GM and lovin' whatever company makes you cream your pants....and stooge you are...because you have no intelligence to back up ANY opinion you may have...and THAT is sad...

That is thing though...you also speculated that some of those people are actually still employed there... BTW...you bought a Fprd product in 2013, like myself...in the 1970s...Ford killed many also...to say that they learned their lesson from gas tanks and such...the Panther cars had the same problem as the Pinto cars in the late 1990s...yet...you still bought a Ford... OK...That was the 1970s...and the 1990s... Toyota...Unintended accelration. Honda...Takata...airbags. Audi...unintended acceleration VW and Audi...circumventing software that masks air pollution...sure its serious... So...now that we;ve eliminated 6 car companies...including GM and Ford just to be fair..because to say ts ONLY GM its ludicrous..maybe now if you tell me your next car will come from Chrysler...oops...they too have had corruption...OK...7 car companies... To say that your next vehicle will come from Volvo, Mazda and Peugeot..Ill buy into your logic and thought process...but if not...Im sorry...but your logic is a no go with me...

Of course...burnt LS7 downvotes... Chicken shyte...offer a rebuttal... But no...like a baby...like a spoiled modern society self important dweeb...stamp on the ground and downvote... I think I found you your life's soul mate... Go to Vancouver Island...she is awaiting for you...

(nope...no burnt valve LS7 dude to be found) Just ignore this post...its my way of venting...

+1 Oh there is certainly a uproar. From the link below, "Hundreds of deaths resulted from GM's conduct, and yet they simply write a check and go home. This is a remarkably jaw-dropping and incredibly sad result." - Robert Hilliard http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/17/safety-advocates-disgusted-justice-department-gm-deal/ In full agreement. Writing a check and going home? GM as a corporation was grilled night and day with this fiasco... Many people wont buy a GM vehicle every again... The thing is...a 2016 Cadillac CT6 has nothing to do with a 2002 Chevrolet Cobalt...in that the people in charge of manufacturing cheap parts in the Cobalt are no longer around to make such decisions on the Cadillac CT6... The people that did the damage are running around free... 2 different things... And THAT is why I downvoted... A company has NOTHING to do with ANY good or bad...it is the people that run the company...and like Hyper mentioned...most if not all ppeople that had something to do with this already left the company... Again...why I downvoted...because this burnt LS7 dude is one biased poster... ANYTHING to denounce GM... I wonder if you commented on the latest corrupt corporation thread over at VW???!!! Nah...just ignore the VW thing... Its only American car companies and especially GM that screw the American consumer and its only American car companies especially GM that circumvent American laws just to beefen up the bottom line... And no...deaths are deaths and circumventing software programs to allow to pollute are 2 different things...but...one is not more evil when corruption is concerned... But because we have a biased poster in da house...I decided to make him and VW an example... And no...not because "everybody does it" that GM or VW CEOs should be let free with a slap on their wrists....and not because VW is German and GM is American that we should hate on VW more than GM or vice versa.... What Im trying to say that..is...instead of looking at a specific car company to crucify...why dont we focus on the stupid corrupt corporation culture in general and stop THAT culture from repeating itself time and time again... the PEOPLE...the HUMANS involved!!! The way you agreed to those stupid articles...its like you are ready to boycott GM..and ONLY GM...well....start boycotting just about 90% of ALL corporations...because one way or other...the people that run ALL corporations are one way or other...CORRUPT...from hidden defects that kill people...to sexual assaulting fellow employees...to racial/gender/sexual/religious discrimination... No its not... politicians have made such laws...the ones that are just as corrupt as the people that run those companies...just reverse the laws and bring back the political power to the average citizen... And you know who actually changes that? The average citizen!!! Except the average North American citizen couldnt be bothered... A country like Greece however...the people...forced the entire European Community to re-think its strategy on the bailouts and the Austerity measures forced upon them...with a fast referendum...that had to take place...and they rejected what was offered to them...which forced big wig banks guys and German politicians to re-think what it is they were doing...when they were THREATENING to dismantle Greece if they went on with a referendum... Power to the people...is something we North Americans yell constantly...but we do nothing about it!!!

Yeah...I could see the advantages as the way you put them in place. - a platform that would be paid off even faster with government fleet sales. Helping to fund more bespoke Cadillac architecture... - engines and transmissions even suspensions shared with a coupe (Camaro) that would also help amortize said hardware. (irony in this case as it seems that a coupe would take the lion's share of sales in this case) - and of course the world wide appeal of an affordable Alpha based Chevy/Holden. I dont know about the Aussies because their market seems to mirror ours circa 1980/1990 as of today...but then again...Cadillac wants to go world wide...and even in the Middle East...especially in the Middle East...Im guessing Chevy Lumina SS cars that evolved into Caprice SS and Commodore SS...a Cadillac ATS or Cadillac CTS would be a bigger hit than a Chevy equivalent...because of badge snob appeal...and even if Chevy somehow has more brand appeal than Cadillac, even in that region...I would think that Cadillac would want that peace of pie...just to introduce brand appeal to that market...you know...CT8 sales success might rely on that region... And by all means...I didnt want to sound like the Impala name is messed up...I wanted simply to say that the name has been thinned out. But I guess you are right...even Millennial youngsters do know about full sized muscle Impala SS'es of the 1960s.

This is where Im conflicted... The Impala name... Gone are the days when a RWD Impala meant muscle...and its been a very long time... The 1994-1996 Impala SS does not count...most people recognize the Impala name as a family hauler be it as a RWD boxy car of the 1980s or FWD cars that replaced a Lumina....most people dont even remember the Lumina...but they equate the Lumina to an Impala... Going back to the 1980s...even the Impala name is confused with Caprice as many people equate that body style to solely a Caprice and as cop cars...and THAT is why the 1994-1996 Impala SS does not count...as many people equate THAT body style as a cop car as well... What Im trying to say is that...I dont think a RWD Impala SS in 2016 or beyond will have any effect to entice people to buy these cars or even show up at a Chevy dealership to look at them and them drive off in a brand new Malibu, Cruze or Equinox... It seems like the Super Epsilon Impala is a mild hit...but like you said...the numbers are not that high as people have downsized in cars...but do buy SUVs for family haulin' needs... The Super Epsilon Impala has rendered the Buick Lacrosse obsolete... So...that leaves another problem....the Cadillac XTS is going away...GM does need to fiil in that hole...Buick SHOULD get the next XTS...make that into the next Park Avenue? B ut is there enough room to continue to offer two plebian Super Epsilon cars? Either the Impala should continue on or the Lacrosse...but not both... However...should the Lacrosse continue on...I dont think a RWD Impala based on Camaro hardware and software which is based on Cadillac ATS hardware will not make a big splash either...and we saw it in the Chevy SS... Many say its not the name of a car that projects sales of a model....Ill agree to that to a certain degree...Had they called the Chevy SS an Impala SS...I dont think that would have generated much sales either... And its not because the Chevy SS had the LS3 under the hood either...415 HP and 415 ft.lbs of torque is still a healthy amount of power to market to people... What I am trying to say is that...the Chevy SS failed in the market place in the US...its because the average Joe does not want a muscle car anymore to haul around his family...the Chrysler/Dodge cars sell the way they do...because of V6 under the hood...not V8... So...If a RWD Chevy Impala is in the cards...if the sole engine offered is a V8 so the car would be called Impala SS...it will generate just as many sales as the hevy SS generated... And THAT is why Im conflicted...because I have come to realize...that muscle cars...for the average Joe is a thing of the past... Does my speech make ANY sense? I seem to go around in circles...but yet...it makes sense to me...does it makes sense to you? Or am I completely in left field somewhere collecting daisies while the baseball game is unfolding before my eyes and the fly balls are passing over my head?

Maybe he is an Aerosmith groupie instead?

Drew there are adults that should not have this much power. Anyone seen the Prince in Beverly Hills in the Ferrari this week? Also the videos we have seen on YouTube of the crashing Z06 are proof that many people are over their limits. Ive admitted to this before at cheersandgears... Ive wrapped a 1989 2.8 liter V6 Pontiac Firebird and all of its 140 HP or so around a traffic light pole... Thankfully...I dont drive like an adolescent idiot anymore.

^^^ That is too cute....

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That deserves an up vote... Excuse me while I hide my face in shame... yes...cute pic...I might as well post something humorous as to not make this into more of a drab thread than it already is...

I stopped down voting a looooooong time ago... You see Wings...this is a case of mistaken identity... NOW YOU SEE WHY I HATE THE DOWN VOTES WITHOUT EXPLANATIONS!!! PS: I have admitted...once again...that I have down voted you in the past as retaliation with no mercy....but that was a looooooong time ago... Hypocrite...I am not... Open book...I am... I am quite vocal about this down voting thing... EVERYBODY knows where I stand on the topic... and yet again...I will admit to me down voting YOU feverishly...but THAT was a loooooong time ago...and Drew UPVOTED my down votes to you...as per YOUR admittance... To have Lord Tourettes laugh at us!!! Arent you ashamed? That publicly...people are actually laughing at us???!!!

To be honest...you do. YOU keep on down voting...and YOU were the one to whine to Drew about it in the first place... I also care about it...but NOT on a personal level...its more of a politeness issue that I have. Generally speaking and NOT aimed at you Wings...this next part of my speech. Ahem....ladies and gentlemen: If you are gonna down vote somebody....at least let it be known to the person you gleefully down vote as to why you are doing such a thing...its a discussion forum...have the courtesy to...discuss... It became a pet peeve of mine this down voting thing when Drew pointed out that there are some that abuse it...I was one to abuse it...but ONLY in retaliation...but most of that time I also explained why I did what I did... Now I just get mad when I see a down vote on somebody's post...and no explanation as to why that down vote came to be... And no...it aint about MY down votes...I dont have that many to begin with... No, sorry olds, you are wrong. I inquired about voting when I first got here, did not understand how it worked, learned, and have not said a word about it since. I certainly don't follow up a post with a complaint about a vote, like some here do. And I do mention the downvotes, like I dust did to surreal and earlier to bong. But make no mistake, if I see whining and trolling, it will get downvoted. Plain and simple That is cool...just let it be known as to why you are down voting... Like I said...its about courtesy...and THAT way...I too can be a judge on whether that person YOU down voted was a troll or...YOU are the troll... Its easy to paint somebody a troll with a blanket statement...AND JUST add a down vote to THAT post.... But with an explanation as to why YOU think THAT person was/is a troll with trollish remarks with VALID explanations...Ill have a better understanding of the issue at hand...and maybe side with YOU...from time to time... Without that explanation though.... But about that explanation....if its not a very good thought process...it might backfire on you...and THAT is why I HATE the down voting system WITHOUT explanations...its EASY to hide from anonymity...and its frustrating to see a more or less good thoughtful post get down voted... And you see Wings...sometimes I get pissed when I see YOUR posts get downvoted...because sometimes..YOU MAKE GOOD POINTS TOO... Im all about being fair...

To be honest...you do. YOU keep on down voting...and YOU were the one to whine to Drew about it in the first place... I also care about it...but NOT on a personal level...its more of a politeness issue that I have. Generally speaking and NOT aimed at you Wings...this next part of my speech. Ahem....ladies and gentlemen: If you are gonna down vote somebody....at least let it be known to the person you gleefully down vote as to why you are doing such a thing...its a discussion forum...have the courtesy to...discuss... It became a pet peeve of mine this down voting thing when Drew pointed out that there are some that abuse it...I was one to abuse it...but ONLY in retaliation...but most of that time I also explained why I did what I did... Now I just get mad when I see a down vote on somebody's post...and no explanation as to why that down vote came to be... And no...it aint about MY down votes...I dont have that many to begin with...