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Nonsense...500 miles at Daytona are custom built race cars. These are stock street cars. And...the tech will eventually get there... ICE has got over 100 years of development under its belt...

Yes...a Model S has a tach...its digital on the LED screen. This is where Im conflicted with the GT350...it really is a screamer of a sports car. Jay Leno says its more of a European sports car rather than a muscle car. Meaning, it does not move fast at low RPMs. But when the high revs happen, at higher speeds, the car comes alive. You MUST drive a Model S...its...different. No noise yet you accelerate like a rocket ship leaving the earth's atmosphere, with no transmission shift shocks...continual acceleration...and no noise...subtle electric motor whines, but real subtle... And then suddenly.. a few seconds worth, you must really put an end to it, because by this time, you are waaaaay over the legal speed limit, yet that acceleration, you want more... Its like a roller coaster ride...the adrenaline you get from that roller coaster ride....those G forces...well, its kinda replicated with the Model S' acceleration...

Me too...me too. But electric power also gets me hot and bothered... Im conflicted... However, Im not fighting the pain in my brain...Ive learned to love both at the same time... As you know CCAP, Im a muscle car guy through and through...and at the basic level...what does that mean actually? Gobs and gobs of torque at low RPMs. Well, electric power has all of its torque...and its a shyte load...INSTANTANEOUS at ANY RPM... Its hard for a muscle car guy NOT to love electric sport sedans...for the FEEL of you being pushed to the back of your seat when your foot presses the accelator pedal... Yeah.."feel"...we've seen that word before.... My partner's Model S...Oh, what a feeling! TESLA! (yeah..I stole that line from a certain Japanese automobile manufacturer)

I wasnt trying to be funny, BLU... Thanx for the downvote as well... Its fun to have someone down vote your dreams... You know Blu... That is the great thing about America...and Canada...one could do as he wishes with his money and his dreams and aspirations... Great video...I like the dialogue the best on this vid.

Yeah, replace a few black boxes now and then, then recycle after a few years and get a new one, like with laptops.. That is what I was eluding to in my post. I assumed correctly, I guess, that its a plug-n-play type deal...and the electrician/mechanic works on the shorted motherboard,bad battery pack, with no pressures in getting the vehicle right back to its customer as fast as possible...

How true on the first thought about OEMs making it easier... I wonder why they complicate things today? I mean, engineers design the car, dont they think about the "KISS" theory? Keep it simple, stupid... And...other engineers engineer how to manufacture it...you would think that the "KISS" theory would kick in at this level if not at the initial car design stage... On the second part...I forgot about how expensive batteries still are today. So...in other words, although I dont do any work myself on my cars, I at least sympathize with you if I dont fully understand how difficult things get get...you know...because I dont do any mechanics for myself, so I dont really know how complicated things are...

With electric battery packs and EVs...wont repairs return to that simplicity? At least for replacing parts...if not for actual repairing...

Instantaneous torque... What is there NOT to love? Although I like those V8 gasoline fumes...I miss it... From time to time, an old school muscle car will drive right in front of me and I take a deeeep breath just to smell those fumes... But...a BIG but, I cant wait for the day when the internal combustion engine is laid out to pasture. It may not be in my lifetime...but Im certainly ready to embrace the next generation of the horseless carriage... Im so ready, that if I ever build myself a muscle car in my retirement...a 1970 Oldsmobile 442, I might just swap the A-Body frame for an electric Tesla platform frame...or hopefully a GM engineered 100% battery platform and slide the 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass body on top of it... Something like this... We visit Tesla (in this case) for their Tesla Model S frame with the battery packs... And instead of mating the Model S body unto it... We order a Dynacorn A-Body Shell from Year One And through miracle blacksmith fabrication (it CAN be done...the Hot Rod movement is a testament to what I wanna do...hey...if I could dream a little dream and maybe make it come true, maybe Id be making Hot Rod history in the meantime too...) I fit the 1970 A-Body on it...then we proceed to make it look like a 442... with all the Tesla software AND hardware...just the skin on the outside will be Oldsmobile 442... The first 4 could represent Tesla, Oldsmobile, GM and Dynacorn/Year One The second 4 could represent 4 wheel drive. The 2 could represent 2 door coupe. And Voila, I got myself my dream car...but fit for the 21st Century! Of course I havent researched if both wheelbases fit for this marriage...but you get the idea... If I cant do it with a 1970 A-Body...perhaps a Mopar 1970s E-Body...a Challenger or a 'Cuda perhaps...something...a mid-sized muscle car from the 1960s or early 1970s...I WILL find one that will fit the Model S frame wheelbase!

I blanked out after the first word... All I keep reading is this: Im done fraternizing wit you...so long buddy...

Why? Dont ask a question without answering the one above it first... Dont bother... This is all you want to hear... Adios Amigos... have a nice life Bong...

Answer this question, El Kabong... Too slow on the draw. I already did. HA! Where's the beef? Answer it again so I could see it. NAh...the Porsche is over priced.... Surreal even says so...

Answer this question, El Kabong...

Its more like this, CCAP

Words of wisdom.

@ EL K Dude...you simply cannot be that dumb... Honestly... You talk about automotive Darwinism...yet in 2002...the Camaro DIED...The Trans Am is no longer... You know...the Mustang...it nearly died...twice. But guess what? Its LINEAGE has NOT BEEN CUT OFF!!! And THIS coming from a guy with a SCREAMING CHICKEN as his avatar! You really look stupid here dude! Just some friendly advice, Id cut it as fast as I could if I were you...because your reputation in this thread...has shrunk BIG TIME!

CLAIMS... Oppenheiser;s CLAIMS..CLAIMS...the car aint out yet...GM PR FLUFF... Oh...I aint doubting the performance it will have... Yet you are are basing you entire thesis on...CLAIMS... JAY LENO has MORE cars in his garage than Oppenheimer has...and Oppenheimer worrks for a car company... No doubt that Jay Leno will want a 1LE in his stable as well...but that is the point... AMERICAN cars rock today... YOU have it in for Ford... I only have it in for the Camaro... YOU have it in for the entire car company that is Ford... I HAVE admitted that the Camaro is a good car...YOU, are still on a tirade... EL K... You are really not looking good on this argument...

I like your new sig EL K... Its just facts....nothing personal... Facts gets distorted...often... especially by spin doctors... Irony as over at MT...TAF used to say that often about Ford PR fluff... Yet...I see the same from you El K...GM PR Fluff... You still havent proved the GT350 is overpriced... Nobody has... Again... mass produced LT1: 71 000 units on the street in Corvettes... 137 units, maybe a couple more due to a LIMITED production run of Voodoos... There is a message what Suave is saying...TWICE he said it...yet YOU, decide to ignore that too... GM PR Fluff... You proved shyte...EL K... What...a journalists point of view... I countered with Jay Leno... He said the engine was the GREATEST engine built in the US today! He said the GT350 is a PURE REAL 100% European Sports Car. And a bunch of other stuff... And that my friend....just counters YOUR shyte that you call proof. Yet...you choose to ignore that... Auto Journalists have magazines to sell... Jay Leno...talks with his money...his own money that actually bought the car for his own pleasure... THAT my friend...trumps ANYTHING YOU have to say... OH...you bought yourself a Zeta Camaro...good on you... The thing is...THAT also shows your bias... Jay Leno...he got Mustangs in his stable...but he also got Camaros in his stable... Sorry EL K...your bias shows big time... Your zealousnous shows big time... Your trolling is very apparent. I calls them as I sees them. They have laser surgery for that now. I see fine...I hit your knee caps...your argument has no legs to stand on...

There's no irony.You're just avoiding the reality of the situation. Hell, they got this exact thread cooking over in FIN and they're admitting that the changes Ford's making to the Shelby options list are a reaction to the 1LE's pricing. I'm sorry if these things sting you. But that's kinda what Bumblebees do. Again...mass produced LT1 compared to low volume Voodoo... A limited production run versus main stream track car... Bumblebees get swatted you know...

You proved shyte...EL K... What...a journalists point of view... I countered with Jay Leno... He said the engine was the GREATEST engine built in the US today! He said the GT350 is a PURE REAL 100% European Sports Car. And a bunch of other stuff... And that my friend....just counters YOUR shyte that you call proof. Yet...you choose to ignore that... Auto Journalists have magazines to sell... Jay Leno...talks with his money...his own money that actually bought the car for his own pleasure... THAT my friend...trumps ANYTHING YOU have to say... OH...you bought yourself a Zeta Camaro...good on you... The thing is...THAT also shows your bias... Jay Leno...he got Mustangs in his stable...but he also got Camaros in his stable... Sorry EL K...your bias shows big time... Your zealousnous shows big time... Your trolling is very apparent. I calls them as I sees them.

Wings had FordCosworth... You have Surreal... The irony is just too much for me to handle.... Ill just laugh it off...

You see EL K...THAT is trolling... I could shouty font it...but I think the folk understand what is what... BTW....you still havent shown why its overpriced since I told you the LT1 engine is mass produced but the Voodoo is not... And THAT is where your argument falls apart and it just becomes trolling.

Nah...you do understand... You ignore the questions thrown your way... You ignore the other vids that contradict YOUR point of view... What you are doing aint being the messenger....what you are doing is trolling. But its all good man... I got you to change your tune. YOUR FINAL MESSAGE IS THIS: To what Ill answer is: HELL YEAH Brother! Yet you did not explain to me how a mass produced engine in the LT1 compare to a very very low produced bespoke engine in price tags... But ITS ALL GOOD... I succeeded in changing your tune... No mention of Ford, GT350...just a message of how awesome GM can be...and NOBODY could deny that... and THAT should have been your message from the get go... Besides, I did not aim for your head when I shot my .44 at you. Just your knee caps.

Id say the shouty font worked on your attitude... That what you said...is a far cry from saying the GT350 sucks... You were so gung ho with that... Different meaning...GM does a good thing at a great price... Nobody is denying that dude. Im glad you didnt diss on the GT350...and THAT was my point! THAT was the first time you did not diss on the GT350...strange, huh?

Actually....Corvette sales numbers are 37 000 and 34 000 71 000 LT1s....not 66 000 LT1 that I originally stated...71 000 LT1 engines on the street...plus whatever Cadillac has sold in their V Series cars...plus whatever amounts the Camaro ends up selling... versus 137 Voodoo engines in the first year....and not that much more for the second year... And you wanna question the specialnous of the Voodoo? Because obviously at this point...it really is ONLY about the performance numbers... Wow EL K... Just wow... And to make it more clear... The 1LE is targeted to whatever schlep has 40 000 dollars to spend on a car...daily driver or week-end toy...it dont matter...get him in the showroom, tell him the Camero ILE faster than the Mustang...or Nissan 370Z, or Genesis Coupe and sale is made... The GT350, its a tad more than that...and if you cant see that...well..EL K....you arent much of a car guy....you are just a regular sheep, a GM sheep dog wagging his tail on whatever GM tells you to wag your tail on... Ironic aint it? That you think of others this way and I think of you that way...

EL K... Start addressing the fact that the 5.2 liter Voodoo has been VOLUNTARILY limited to 137 units in the first year and then tell me about economies of scale and then tell me the GT350 is overpriced... Until then...your posts are just GARBAGE! OH...the GT350 performs quite well in the numbers department...so dont even go there....