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The part I underlined in your post... THAT would be the mistake...I get it.

Gull Wing Doors - how many months/years of delay due to this single feature? Not allowing early adopters of the lower end models access to the supercharger network without an additional $10k fee for a software update. Picking fights with state legislatures and regulators instead of trying to work with them. Over promising on the battery swap idea and then under delivering (one battery swap location, never open) Some of the early model product mix wasn't very good, the low end models were price leaders that no one wanted to buy (obviously why they were canceled) Spending money to develop the zombie mode chemical warfare resistance stuff.... that was money poorly spent. Spending money developing ludicrous speed rather than greater range. - Gull wing doors Yes...gimmick. A needless gimmick that should have not been engineered in the first place so the Model X could have been sold already...money spent needlessly and money not being made. - Not Allowing Early Adopters of lower end to access superchargers without that 10 000 dollar fee... Maybe Im naive to this automotive business, but with this, Im not in agreement....as a restaurant owner, I also understand how much things cost...overhead and engineering...maybe he felt the need to NOT give away this software as to help with the cost of the infrastructure as its Tesla that is building this infrasture all on their own...that money has to be financed somehow...and Elon found a way to finance some of it some way... - Picking fights with anybody is never a good thing...especially when you need law makers on your side...maybe the other CEOs should have picked a more diplomatic figure for those missions...I agree. I wasnt aware of that... - The battery swap idea.... OH YEAH....THAT rings a bell...yeah...I remember that...I equated that idea with BBQ propane tanks...I ALWAYS avoided propane fill up stations where this was a policy...for obvious reasons... I guess he was desperate for solutions at that point in time when he dreamt up this one. - Product mix in the earlier years... Ill chalk that up to rookie mistakes in the car building world... If he chose NOT to listen to more experienced people...then yes douche....however, if no one at Tesla had ANY experience in this field...you cant really pin that on him as such - Zombie chemical war fare??? Sounds stupid...yes...a colossal waste of money...even if zombie really means VIP person being chauffered in a Tesla and a Tesla has anti-terrorist capabilities...he should have left that to companies that actually build fortified S Classes for people of importance and such... - Ludicrous speed.instead of range... Yes and no... The Model S is an EV,,,so range should be its priority...yet a Model S is also a status symbol...a very fast status symbol...and electric motors have the ability to achieve great speed because of instantaneos power and torque....he wanted to show case that as well...cant fault him for that angle... I see your point and everyone else's... But like you said...I also dont wish for failure for Tesla...because the Model S does not seemed as a compromised vehicle... However...unlike Hyper with me...I dont have Hyper on my ignore list...I read his posts...I learn from his posts...and I could see how the Model X could be a compromised vehicle... (Hyper...dont let that get to your head...you are a smart guy...however...YOU think you are ALWAYS right and DONT want to learn from ANYBODY...THAT gets my goat...)

OK...now Im curious. What were those bad decisions? I truly am not aware...and Id like to know. And does that mean the Model S could have been an even better product than it already is?

I would acknowledge that fact had I known more about Elon and what he has actually said and done in regards to the automotive industry for him to be called a douche...however...I dont really care for that...I equate that to National Enquirer BS... I look at the product itself and judge the product...I dont care for the rest of the stuff, its just noise.

Energy drinks on principle, dont agree with me. Id rather the original energy drink: coffee laced with cognac/brandy.

for 100k they need to find a way to get on consumer reports recommended list and not have headlines saying 2/3 of their cars are broke. and it would help if their CEO weren't a douche for smk Mazda 6 (2014 sales: 53,224) Mazda honestly is all hype these days too. Mazda, put some f-king power under the hood MAZDA, don't play the 'just enough power' thing anymore. What Mazda needs more than anything is a subprime loan campaign ala mits in the early 00's. Malibu will outsell 'the drivers car' 4 to 1. I think Drew covered the 66% part so I aint touching that... And even if Elon is a douche...which is just an opinion on what side of the fence you are on...that has NOTHING to do with Tesla the company or the Model S... Im not here to change your mind on anything...Im just here to point out the...we will stay politically correct....double standards...

You dont....you dont do ANYTHING to the Escalade to put it in alignement...there is no need to align the 'Slade anywhere... Actually...maybe Cadillac should try to align some of the other modles in the Escalade midset... Big...Brash...Arrogant are all Cadillac traits that the 'Slade carries excellently...maybe if the ATS carried some of that brashness and arrogance...the ATS-V aint enough...the regular ATS needs some Cadillac DNA in it...

Well said Casa. FAMILY! FAMILY ALWAYS!

Wow! Wow all over the place! Wow at yet another vehicle purchase made by you! And Im envious that you can do that. Wow at staying true to GM no matter what circumstance life throws at you or what needs and wants you may have. Wow that you could be that cool to your ex-wife... Especially this last part... Yeah...she is the momma to your children, but and she may be coolt to you and she continues to be a model mom...but your Financial ties have been severed legally to her...so this gesture is just saintly of you. On both accounts...on you continuing to be good to her with lavish gifts and her having access to your vehicles... I approve...not that it makes a diff to you whether I approve or not....but I approve of your kind human gestures.

Wow...that is seriously effed up... Other that that small issue but not problematic but very annoying issue, I dont have any problems with Windows 8...so...I keep. Whatever aint broke, man....whatever aint broke.

HA! I love it! When I first read that quote...I was like...WTF is he talking about? OK...Ford Edge...but what does that have to do with a military vehicle? Is he maing a connection to Herr Hitler...why would he...that is MY thang, not his???!!! Then I read this quote and I was like... This EL K fella he is one wise and funny fella...

I get those and Im still on Windows 8... Im thinking about upgrading to windows 10...hell its free...but I keep on reading people still having issues with Windows 10...I think Ill wait just a tad longer me thinks...

AT REG... The Tesla Model S does not match the hype? Id like to hear from you how the Tesla Model S does not match the hype. Because from where Im sitting, the Model S not only matches the hype...it far exceeds it....from countless points of view... 1. start up company that has set the whole world on fire in less than a decade 2. with a car that has the major automobile companies of the world chasing the Model S...proof? The Porsche EV sedan that is set to arrive 2-3-4-5 years from now... The State Michigan re-inventing fascism to fit our democratic lifestyle to prevent Tesla's business model to become successful...our way or the highway disguised... 3. The Model S...a first real attempt to engineer an EV platform from scratch... Hiccups along the way...yeah...a few...comparable to the hiccups that seasoned veterans have...veterans that have been in the business for 100 years and then some...not barely 10.......there is one less zero at the end of that number one you know... 4. The Model S achieves great performance numbers in whatever category you want numbers to be compared... Speed, acceleration, mileage for EVs....it is the leader in electronic range....and it is the fastest sedan...maybe a Hellcat...but definitely no Porsche or M-B or BMW sedans beat it...and that Hellcat...it took another ballsy AMERICAN car company to outdo the muscle car formula to achieve this with a 6.2 lite superchatged V8 worth 707 horsepower...the most horsepower ever offered in a production sedan... 5. Meaning....it has schooled the veterans in how to actually engineer a proper EV... 6. The Model S...its a stunning design...the Fisker Karma is just unbelievably out of this world....but the Model S has that elegant, sexy, rich and luxurious design with the right amount of curves in the right places to make it a better looking vehicle than any other in its price range...excluding the aforementioned Fisker Karma...and the Model S still looks good 3-4 years later...and...its sales are not dipping...but INCREASING... I could go on...but at 6...I think Ive proven my point of view that the Model S exceeds expectations... How 'bout yours? PS: QUALITY OF MATERIALS BETTER NOT BE ON YOUR LIST... why? Kinda like a Corvette...the money you are spending on a Model S or a Corvette...obviously a C6 rather than the C7...is for the engineering involved...high tech engineering... You want an interior that is better...be prepared to spend more money... Impossible for you...you want high tech shyte, state of the art at 30 000... It seems to me you are more of a dreamer than a hater...so Ill apologize for calling you a hater...Ill start calling you a dreamer instead...

That means also Reg...that you dont care for Ferarris, Lambos, Bentleys...and even Cadilllacs...as those cars are not in the 30 000 dollar price range... And I dont know you long enough to have read your other posts in Cheers and Gears...but if you have given ANY level of enthusiasm for ANY car above 30 000 dollars...that would make you a hypocrite... A Tesla Model S is not meant for the masses...a Tesla is meant for somebody who has the means to buy one... Just like how the first and second and third and even fourth generations of the automobile 120 some odd years ago... Its a LUXURY STATUS symbol....just like a Cadillac...even a Buick...hell...even an Oldsmobile in 2004.. What Im trying to say is that...its a pretty crummy reason to hate on Tesla just because you camt afford one...sour grapes on your part...

Where I live...in Montreal,Quebec, Canada...Id suspect the Malibu Hybrid will sell pretty well... Why? 1. The 1st gen Volt sold quite well 2. The 2nd gen Volt seems to be selling quite well 3. Camry Hybrids and even Altima Hybrids from almost a decade ago have sold decently... 4. The current Fusion Hybrid is a success. Its a safe bet to put your money on the Malibu Hybrid on it being a success in Quebec... Anywhere else in North America....I have no clue...in my neck of the woods...success...

My my my Hyper...the absolutes and the hypocrisy from you is unreal....and that is why you have me on your ignore list...because YOU camt stand when I point it out and let you have it... But its OK...others read it... You diss Suave....you tell him its OK to NOT like the Malibu...and yet YOU have a closed mind on Tesla... YOU hate on Tesla zealots... YOU are the one to say stuff like Elon Musk has an ego problem because he has a vision and that vision does NOT coincide with what YOUR utopia is... YOU said it yourself...on the Malibu...yet YOU dont realize how THAT opinion also FAVORS Tesla...yey YOU are the one to say Tesla is not part of our future and 100% electrics either... The Tesla IS a sports sedan...it IS meant to be fast...it IS meant to compete with the luxury cars and it IS making Tesla money...Tesla is bleeding money because of Tesla's other projects....not because the Model S is not a money maker... Hyper...I like your way of thinking....its your arrogance I dont like... First of all... Where is YOUR proof that 100% electrics WONT be the end all solution all for ALL electric vehicles... With 100% electrics getting close to 300 miles on one battery charge...which is basically the average range of a full tank of gas on regular gasoline powered cars...alls is left is for the charging systems to fall and compete with gas pump times...but as SMK pointed out...MOST of the time...a Tesla is PLUGGED in AT HOME...THERE goes YOUR argument... AND for long trips...MOST people dont do that either anymore....but...there is a solution...wireless recharging on the go... The gasoline prices will eventually go up...and will probably go down again... WHO CARES FOR THAT???!!! It really is a question if an individual really wants to go gasoline free or not... The Tesla is a sound solution...but its expensive... The Volt or Hybrid sedans are a good solution too...as the range of batteries of these cars goes up...so does the independence for gasoline use... Economics of the differences between the price of gas versus the price of the hybrid sedan versus the price of the gasoline version of the sedan be damned...in 2015....its all about how serious is a buyer to getting off of oil...

Fixed it for you BLU, but there is a slight problem...we need somebody to upvote CCAP on that post so it could be a +1 rather than just neutral.

And that is the thing...if I wanted to get off of oil 100%, why would I bother with a Volt, or Malibu hybrid? Those cars wont get me to Boston on electric power alone anyway...Id have to use gasoline...yeah I know...the gasoline engine acts like a generator...recharging the battery...the thing is...I STILL USE GASOLINE....I WANT TO GET OFF OF GASOLINE...THAT is the premise with a Tesla...it aint about Tesla enthusiasts being zealous... Trust me...even in 2015...Id bite the bullet for 40 minutes to charge my Model S to get to Boston without any gasoline usage... I have an advantage of this kind of thought process...I live in Montreal...Quebec... We have relatively cheap electricity....and our electricity is as clean and green as it gets... I understand other parts of North America dont have this luxury... Like we said...there is more than one way to skin a cat... And seeing how my partner is off of oil 100% with a car that is pure adrenaline to drive...Im kinda jealous...

With Porsche saying that their sports car sedan 100% EV will be achieving 310 miles until the battery drains and Tesla's own Model S has 265 mile range and in very optimal conditions may hit 300 miles and technologies that allow wireless charging along with super powerful chargers themselves improving charge times (Porsche is boasting a 80% battery refill in 20 minutes...) Im not too sure about your perception of the future being 100% accurate... And the reason why Im being picky on you....is because you started your argument very arrogantly hatin' on so called haterz while you yourself is hatin' on "Tesla zealots... Now...you may be correct that there is not just one solution to the battery/EV engineering dilemma....more than one way to skin a cat type deal...and I may agree with you that a GM Voltec solution is a mighty one and one that will probably exist and continue to improve and challenge 100% pure electrics....but...please....dont behave like all electrics and batteries and superchargers and wireless charging will not improve either... You know...Montreal to Boston takes me about 5 hours....at 100 KPH..that equates to approximately 500 kilometers...or...in miles if you want...at 65 MPH...that would take me about 4.75 hours...which is 308 miles... And if you google to see the distance between Montreal to Boston: 4 h 49 min (494.6 km) via I-89 S 4 h 58 min (514.9 km) via I-93 S 5 h 48 min (546.1 km) via I-89 S and I-91 S and Boston to Montreal 4 h 51 min (307.2 mi) via I-89 N 5 h (319.2 mi) via I-93 N 5 h 47 min (338.5 mi) via I-91 N and I-89 N Yeah...optimal conditions...a Porsche or even the Tesla takes me to Boston directly....ALMOST... You may laugh at this....but...a full tank full of gas in ANY car that I have ever owned took me to Boston and then I had to fill up in Boston...so....its the charge times that plays a difference...but...have you calculated how much time it actually takes to fill up an empty tank to a very full tank? It actually does take 3-5 minutes...so...20 minutes for 80%...you know...that gap is closing pretty quickly...isnt it? No...we are not there yet...but range anxiety on a Tesla or that Porsche as we speak is just a mild concern rather than full blown anxiety...therefore...your own zealousness for hatin' on Tesla zealots clouds your otherwise sound argument...

EOS would be a cool name for it...

You know what my take is in all this? You got to start somewhere. And you take it from there. Improving and tweaking and keeping things that work and ditching things that dont. I aint worried about Hyundai's ability to establish a "look". Sure, some designs they put out seem to "borrow" from other makes...but as Suave has pointed out, designers from other makes have joined the Hyundai team... And...dont forget, Hyundai has also set design trends too along the way the last 5 years.... Plus...Hyundai has also had a successful way of putting content in a vehicle and peddling it... Yeah, I know...both are Hyundai brand strategies and not Genesis... Like I said, You got to start somewhere...

Every time you make your mortgage payment, it's like part of that payment is going into a long term savings bond. Every time you make a rental payment, it's like flushing money down the toilet. Just make sure you can handle the payments. Yes...what Drew said... And since Im into a Stars Wars kick lately...I leave you with this... My advice, given to you by Senator Palpatine

Dear Blu...Your loss buddy... 1.21 gigawatts Since you dont want to acknowledge the power of electricity...I made a little compilation for you to be entertained....we started off with Hollywood film lore and ended it with powerful human history who marveled it and tried to harness it...and harness it we did...like I said...your loss buddy...

It was...FREAKIN' AWESOME!!! I have NEVER in my entire life EVER driven a faster car than that Tesla P85D...No ludicrous mode, just the normal P85D. Man, in half a block (OK...let me try and get a guestimate...in yards as well...to explain to you how fast the thing went when I slammed the accelerator pedal...because it aint a gas pedal...) The acceleration is instantaneous....there was no shift shock from a gear changing....just smooth linear acceleration that pulled you in your seat and kept you there with no jerking...like I said...no shift shock...what a feeling... I dont know....65-70 yards.maybe even 60 yards...the bloody car reached 55-60 MPH and then I had to decelerate...man the thing just stopped...no ABS brakes came on either... There isnt anything I dont like about the car....yet...the thing is still new and I did not get a chance to see what it is I dont like about it.... Maybe the quality of the materials....they feel light...not that the materials are cheap...the material are very comparable to my 2012 Acura TL...but that is the thing...in 2012, the Acural TL SH-AWD sold for $50 000 CDN....the Tesla P85D in 2015 sells for double that...Ill keep you posted about it....and how my partner feels about it too...

I had to google the Parisienne Transit system to get a glimpse of what you were saying, and I saw what you meant by plenty of circles... However, I dont comprehend your theory of a circular transit system versus one that is parallel and perpendicular forming perfect squares and rectangles... I know that in a road system.....straight lines that make roads into perfect squares is the way to go as its easy to divide a city between North/South/East/West, to have a logical number system and to never get lost and many other reasons....but in a mass transit system....I fail to understand the reasoning.