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The only question left is, what version are you? I am THIS version!!! But if Im buying a Challenger for myself...I dont want or need a Last Call version. Nor a Demon. A regular Hellcat is what I always wanted and that hasnt changed since 2015. Ill go with a Red-Eye. Regular or widebody. Uniform body colour all the way through or black hood. No stripes. Original hood or twin snorkel. Prefer the twin snorkel hood though. In those 3 colours.

I too...am DEEPLY dissapoint in the name. I understand the 'fun' reasons where the 170 number comes from, its just abnormally boring coming from Dodge. 1. The name is brain numbing boring 2. The reasons beind the name is even worse. 170 ethanol proof???!!! The phoque???!!! At least reason #2 is a tad more exciting as its the code number for the Hellephant crate engine: C170 But, its the name they chose and so Dodge will sell every Demon 170 they make and truth be told, it seems like any and EVERY Last Call Charger and Challenger will ALREADY have collector car status and most of them are not even built yet.

Nah. Its lazy.

Nah... its lazy journalism. Nah...its lazy. When the writer switches between 911 trims to determine the E-Ray to be better... Better in what? There are many 911 flavours and the ONE flavour that the Vette exists in...a hybrid, the 911 doesnt have one. Going back and forth of one Vette trim to take on a plethora of 911 trims cherry picking what the E-Ray does better is exactly THAT. LAZY. Its not subjective. Its biased. Aaaaaand...LAZY. When I say that automotive journalism should lax it against the hatred for American automobile, I dont mean blind faith in them because this journalism is the exact reverse of what I bitch about hatin' on American cars. We dont have to praise OUR cars by putting down foreign ones... And this article, although it doesnt put down a 911, it uses LAZY metrics to dawn the Vette E-Ray the winner. The winner of what? That the E-Ray is better? Better in what? A biased dumb metric based on reasoning JUST for the Vette to win? There was explaining of what the 911 is all about. People cross shopping the Vette and the 911 wouldnt buy the Vette or the 911 on NONE of this journalist's metrics. These metrics are just the journalists own personal views. Journalism is NOT about providing PERSONAL whims into play. THAT is just easy and lazy. Journalism provides FACTS. Not facts presented in a way to JUSTIFY a side. THAT is what that article does... Its OK... My view is what we say...subjective, maybe? You got that right. That journalist used his feelings to write about and therefore I could use mine as well to write my own journalistic point of view.... That journalist used nothing of fact to determine if the E-Ray is better. Just what he/she thinks is better. And I dont agree with that assessment. And Im allowed to. And I countered. And I wanted to show @David that wait a minute...the E-Rayis good. Excellent even. But...because the 911 is more expensive and the Vette is less expensive and does 90% of what the 911 does, THAT metric ALONE does NOT make the Vette to be a better choice. Its just in one metric. And the fact that the writer took SEVERAL 911s to prove that the E_Ray is better...just proves that the 911 is just a vehicle that has MANY trims that are lazer focused. The Vette is more of a Jack-Of-All-Trades sports car. NEITHER method is neither superior or inferior. But yeah...

@David The first 8 minutes explains what the Porsche 911 GT3 RS is all about. The first 8 minutes should give you an idea how much engineering goes into the RS model over and beyond not only over the regular GT3, but ANY road legal track ready sports car. When somebody says the Corvette E-Ray is better than the Porsche 911, well...if you do pay attention to what and how the 911 GT3 RS is, then you'll realize quite quickly that the journalism is, like I said, lazy... On a side note, the guy said that the GT3 RS made a Nurburgring time of 6 minutes 49 seconds. The C8 Z06's time at the Nurburgring has not been set just yet. A set back on the course happened last year. BMW and Tesla crashed and their cars. Chevy is said to be back though. It is also said that the time for the C8 Z06 will BE under 7 minutes 100%. Some say it will be around the 6 minute 50 second mark. Not too bad either way... 1. The Porsche 911 lives on the Nurburgring. It is its home playground. Porsche spends and ENORMOUS amount of time and money to set records there. 2. The C7 Z06 didnt set an official time there either because of set backs on the track involving other cars and accidents. Yeah...the C8 too... But, the Corvette does not live there and the Corvette also has other playgrounds that it needs to play in. Like drag strips. 3. Corvette is a jack of all trades sports car. The 911 is a precision machine and the Nurburgring is where it operates. The Corvette operates at all kinds of racing digs. Drag racing, street light to street light and at the Nurburgring. For the C8 Z06 to get close to the 911 GT3 RS's time at the Nurburgring in its heavy GT luxury body is a testament of how good the Corvette engineers really are. But it still remains that the GT3 RS is still a scalpel. The E-Ray might be a great Corvette, but it all depends of what kind of comparison we want and what kind of 911 we want to talk about. Anyway...enjoy Jay Lenos garage. This episode is a great way to understand what the GT3 RS is without any fanboyism and without any positive or negative bias. The narrative is as truthful as it could be.

Let me add a couple as well: Skiiers who leave their ski ticket tags on their jacket for years on end. Most of these guys go skiing twice a year, maybe. Have a minimum of 10 tickets on their jacket zipper. Their oldest tag dating back at least 8 years. Bicycle bikers biking with the most expensive bicycle money can buy, biking with full biker regalia with aerodynamic helmets and skin tight lycra pants and 2-3-4 water bottles stuck on their 15 000 dollar bike, biking in the middle of the road, dont matter if its a grand boulevard or a one lane suburban road refusing to bike on the side to let car traffic go through all in the while peddling so phoquing slow that a 5 year old on his Huffy with training wheels could pass him/her.

I would have loved it more if I was in my 20s and the calender would be sayin' 1993 instead of 2023. I got Camaro RK Sport vibes when I looked at that Cadillac I was lusting after this body kit and look with the blacked out headlights and backlights, mags and wing for the Camaro back in the day. Just like any other kind of boyracer styling. I guess not so much now. I prefer a clean CT5 Blackwing. I hopelessly still love that Camaro though!!!

I like the steer-by-wire technology. We have this tech with brakes and transmissions, why not steering???!!! And leading up to street-view-glass. Which I equally like. Like the guy said, it frees lots of space. Of course GM had this idea 20 years ago with their Hy-Wire concept. Anything-By-Wire would be aircraft technology, so I appreciated the fact that the dude points that out. Like @surreal1272, I love the van look to it. Like @Drew Dowdell and @surreal1272, I view the Canoo more as a work and commercial van than a lifestyle thing. What is this "lifestyle" terminology thing anyway? Its just a marketing buzz word. Im not skeptical about the folk that do 'lifestyle' things like skiing or hiking, but Im very skeptical about needing a special 'lifestyle' vehicle to partake in said lifestyle lifestyles. A Canoo or Rivian arent anything special for marketers using this term 'lifestyle' to stick it as a label for their vehicle to sell. This Volvo done the lifestyle thing without the moniker and NOBODY thinks its that special... Other than its a Volvo station wagon and 1970s teachers and liberals drove them because they were also safe cars. The safest in fact. These westcoaster Californian surfers also had their choice of vehicle for their lifestyle choice too... Basically what Im saying is that you dont need a marketing bullshyter to sell you a moniker for your choice of vehicle to enjoy and live your lifestyle livin' and doin' But if a Canoo can lifetsyle your lifestyle, then go ahead and drive Canoo or Rivian or Aztek... All in all though. I like the Canoo in all its forms.

Nah... All the 'flak' that you talk about was and is not NEARLY as intense as the pitchforking the Detroit 3 got. There was even plenty of excuse filled deflections. ESPECIALLY with Toyota's unintended acceleration floor mat issues WITH the Amerian press AND the American Toyota sheeple. With diesel gate... at the same time with Hyundai/KIA... I wanna know HOW in the HELL does VAG STILL have enough followers in the US to continue doing business here. Remember this commercial? SUPERBOWL, brotha. it aired during the freakin' Superbowl... Aside from some fines...where was the FRAUD false advert lawsuits? Where was the American "we got duped" backlash? This is waaaaay before youtube and spotify and twitter misinformation podcasts for the misinformation lies to become a part of American culture. This media format hadnt been invented yet. News outlets in the US were more or less truthful. So...where was all this pitchforking when GM STILL gets grilled for the phoquing Cimarron half a phoquing decade later? There was and STILL is plenty of American public STILL not giving GM or Ford the time of day... Cadillac introduces the ATS and IMMEDIATELY American media makes us remember the aforementioned Cimarron. Brand new EV Hyundai's have problems but not one American news site mentions the horrific Pony... Naw... the INTENSITY of Detroit 3 hatred IN the US has NO parallel. The foreign makes in North America basically get a free pass. Its blatantly obvious. And you know it...

Sure... American press should be harsh on American companies fudging up. But... 1. European press was and continues to be harsh on American cars now and then. 2. American press was and STILL is not harsh on EUROPEAN and Asian cars when those are fudged up. 3. European and Asian press was and STILL not harsh on European and Asian cars when those are fudged up. But when European and Asian cars are on par with the shytyness of American cars during the malaise era Id expect the same amount of harshness to go around IN THE PRESS and I CERTAINLY would expect the blowback from the folk to be the same as well. As with the Hyundai and Kia rant... I would have LOVED to hear folk that bought V6 Hondas, any phoquing Honda with a V6 from the 1990s until today, and in the 1990s, it didnt even have to be a V6, and when the transmission failed...I would have LOVED to hear Americans SWEAR off Hondas 4 EV-R. When phoquing Hyundai was selling shyte, like literal shyte in the 1980s into the 1990s and quite honestly...well into the 2010s..and as it seems...today too I wanna know how in the HELL is Hyundai STILL selling cars in North America when the PRESS and the American people HOLD shyttyness to HIGH PHOQUING STANDARDS like they DO with General Motors, Ford and phoquing Chrysler???!!! When...TOYOTA pulled the ULTIMATE arrogant manoeuvre, more than GM and Ford and Chrysler has EVER done with the oil sludge thing of Camrys and certain Lexuses in the 1990s and blamed that problem unto the consumer... the American press lightly covered THAT problem. And there was NO my brother's father's sister's roomate had a sludgy Camry and Toyota REFUSED to fix it so now I will NEVER EVER buy a Toyota EVER again... Let us remind ourselves that the Camry in the 1990s was starting to become America's best selling car and continued to BE for the next 3 decades after that. And Toyotas problems were NOT limited to that...Toyota snowballed with all kinds of defects and recalls to become at that time the car maker with the MOST recalls of all time. Yet NOT one SOB in the press or civilian buying Toyotas EVER whispered a HINT of discontent. We all know that German cars suck after the warranty is gone...since the dawn of time. Prehistory... Where are the phoquing pitchforks like we have pitchforked to death the Detroit Big 3? Catch my drift?

The C8.R edition is just a sticker and badge trim job on the Stingray Z51 to commorate the race bred C8R. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-chevrolet-corvette-c8-imsa-gtlm-championship-edition/ Let's just say the Chevrolet Corvette C8.R race cars did pretty well in the 2020 IMSA series, taking home three different titles. To commemorate this, Chevy whipped up a special edition package for the 2022 Corvette Stingray: the 2022 Corvette Stingray IMSA GTLM Championship Edition... ...The foundation for the Championship Edition is the Stingray 3LT Z51 in either Accelerate Yellow (to honor the No. 3 car) or Hypersonic Gray (the No. 4), to which the special edition adds a $6,595 bump. That upcharge nets buyers contrasting accent stripes—gray for the yellow car, and yellow for the gray—and a bevy of special touches. A Carbon Flash-painted high-wing spoiler, yellow brake calipers, black-finished "trident" wheels with "Jake" center caps, Carbon Flash-painted mirrors, black rockers, and splash guards are the main pieces. And don't forget the large "C8.R" decal on the flank. Chevy will offer a GT3 class race car for the public to buy. But it wont be a road legal car. It will be a legit race car whoever wants to buy it to race it legally on a race track. It will be 95%-99% like the C8R but with a modified 5.5liter from the race car. Not from the Z06's car. Although the race engine and the road car's 5.5 liter are about 90%-95% the same... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38224296/chevy-corvette-z06-gt3r-revealed/ Customers will soon be able to race the C8 Corvette Z06 GT3 race car that uses the same chassis as the road car and a modified version of the 5.5-liter V-8. Chevrolet Racing will offer a Z06 GT3.R customer race car starting in 2024. It uses the same aluminum chassis as the C8 Z06 road car and a modified version of the 5.5-liter flat-plane-crank V-8. Customers will be able to race in the IMSA WeatherTech Series and other GT3 racing series with the Z06 GT3.R. Just to tie this in to what we have been talking about, the Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a road legal, pure track machine that one could race on the track, but also drive on the street. Chevrolet would have to take the Z06, delete all the heavy GT luxury options, cut more weight off the chassis by using more extensive use of carbon fibre...use ACTIVE aero. This is what an RS version of the GT3 is all about. The C8 Z06 GT3.R had it been road legal by adding road legal stuff to it such as headlights... would be a further step of being a more RAW road legal track car of a GT3 RS Porsche. Just to give you an idea of what the Porsche GT3 RS is. order of track car rawness that strays farther than a GT car 1. GT3 equals Z06 2. Z06 with Z07 package 3. GT3 RS 4. Z06 GT3R if it were road legal with added street legal and necessary equipment https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-gt3-gt3-rs GT3 GT3 RS CarandDriver ranks the Z06 as the track car to buy...but that is because the Z06, or any Corvette for that matter, is a FRACTION of the price of the Porsche's starting price...any 911... But when discussing driving dynamics of the track cars in question, the weight and the weight transfers around corners and everything that a track car should be doing right, the Gt3 and the GT3 RS have the Corvette Z06 beat. Some performance metrics and the Z06 actually beats any of the 911 GT variants, but as an over all track performance car, its the 911 that edges out the victory. Its not a bad thing that the Corvette loses to the 911 this way. Its not a bad thing that the Z06 beats the 911 in some of the performance metrics. Its just a testament to how focused the 911 really is as a sports car. Its a testament to how much R&D is put into the development of the 911. Hoe refined and tuned the 911 is and how dedicated Porsche IS to the 911. Its also a testament to Corvette engineering as to how serious they are in giving the people a sports car that is sooooooooo close to a Porsche 911 at a FRACTION of the price. And when we talk about aftermarket tuning for Corvettes for the SAME amount of money spent on a Corvette modifying it as one would buy a brand new 911, the Corvette WILL spank the 911's a$$. But factory to factory, the 911 is still THE sports car to beat. No doubt!

I defend the Corvette when I see the Vette be disrespected. But I am not a blind fanboy either. The Vette has its place in the sportscar world. Its even benchmarked by Porsche although Porsche will NEVER admit to it. But I dont like reading nonsense disrespecting another giant in the sportscar world. Whether it be a mid-engined V8 Ferrari or Porsche 911. All three, Vette, Ferrari and 911, all have cemented their place in the sportscar world and all three do their thing their own way. None are better than the other. Each has its own path and an enthusiast need NOT choose one over the other, but an enthusiast SHOULD enjoy either of them for what they are!

*SIGH* Apples to Oranges What Porsche 911 are we comparing the E-Ray to? Base Porsche 911? ALL of the trims? It seems the article jumps from trim to trim when comparing the 911. And a hybrid 911 is not available yet. Soon. But not yet. The E-Ray looks to be a great C8 Vette, but lets wait and see what Porsche can and will do with a hybrid 911 and THEN let us see IF an E-Ray is better than a Porsche 911... Because of where Im sitting at, a Corvette C8 Stingray, Z51, Z06 and an E-Ray are GREAT competitors to the 911, and of course for thousands of dollars less, but...the 911 still remains just a smidgen better than a C8 in ALL categories except price tag. But...comparing apple Vette C8 to apple 911 as in the Z06 and GT3. The Z06 does its best to best the 911 GT3 and comes oh sooooooo close to besting it. And it actually does best it in some metrics. And because of that, we have to take the time to bow and applaud and give a standing ovation to the Corvette's engineers that have come THAT close in dethroning Porshe and its 911 and the 911 GT3 and never forgetting that the mid-engined C8 is the Corvette's engineer's FIRST ATTEMPT. But...the 911 being the 911, and Porsche being Porsche, in some other metrics, metrics that define what a GT3 and Z06 should be and behave, the 911 GT3 outshines the Z06 easily. And...there is a trim level ABOVE the GT3. Its the GT3 RS and the Corvette Z06 does NOT have an answer to that trim... Not yet at least... But until then, the 911 will forever be just one smidgen step better than a Corvette C8. The Z07 package is NOT an RS equivalent. The RS is a RAW track car but the Z06 no matter what aeropackage we add on it (Z07), the Z06 still remains a GT car. Its got GT car luxuries. To be a RAW track car, the Z06 has to LOSE some of the heavy luxury GT car items... A Corvette is many things. Many good things. And with the C8, the Corvette has become even MORE and BETTER things. But Porsche and its 911 are just...THE standard that ALL sports car makers benchmark. And for good reason. And the C8 is one of these sportscars that a 911 GT3 RS no less, was benchmarked after. And Corvette engineers have come close, very close in besting the 911. But Corvette development lacks the one area where Porsche just obliterates everybody else, including Ferrari, Lamborghini and McLaren and all others. Porsche develops the 911 in ALL KINDS of flavours. Until the Corvette has as many engineered flavours as the 911 has, the Corvette will ALWAYS lag just a smidgen behind the 911. And the irony of that article is that the journalist cherry picks the various 911 trims... The 911 is highly customizable to fit what the owner wants of his 911. THAT is a BIG plus and an advantage for the 911 versus all other sports cars straight from the factory. The Corvette is that too, highly customizable, but its done aftermarket, not at the factory level. This comes at a price for the 911. But the 911 commands that price and 911 owners WILLING dish it. Its NOT a fault. Its a strength. Just click on the link below to visit the site and then click on all the various 911 trims to see all the specs. https://www.cars.com/research/porsche-911-2023/trims/ Until Corvette has as many trim levels as the 911, then we could talk about the Corvette being "better". IMO, the article stating the E-Ray is better than "a 911" is just lazy journalism attempting to sound like its meaningful in some way. (Yes I read it)

The deal is that most French Quebecois IN the Montreal region ARE bilingual and speak French AND English. The deal is that English speaking Quebecois IN the Montreal region, whether of English decent or of other nationalities speak 2 or 3 languages. French included. And none have an issue with that. French people in the Montreal area have NO issues with the English language. They understand the realities of what you said. The scare tactics are for the French people AWAY from Quebec's business, sector, which so happens to BE Montreal. Sure, French people living far from Montreal do NOT speak English. They dont need to. But its a common way to get elected. Scare tactics and faslehoods being spewed... In fact, our Premier BOTH times he was elected, he had the numbers to get elected from regions that have NOTHING to do with Montreal. Montreal and most of its surroundings did NOT vote for this party in power. But...there are 2 other Quebec parties that follow in those protect the French language footsteps and are MORE of a separatist nature than the one in power now to the lone Liberal party of Quebec that seems to want to protect the English language but phioques everything else up. English, French AND the other nationalitiles are not really trusting the Liberal party of Quebec the last 15 years.... So...a lot of not good in the political realm here. Quebec is still doing not too bad in the economic side of things, but for EVs and whatever that entails in the world of electricity and batteries when Hydro-Quebec is a GLOBAL force in, this is NOT good news and a very very big step backwards in my opinion.

EV platforms will allow OEMs to produce sedans and coupes more easily and more economically effective but it is still the market place that determines if OEMs will WANT to produce coupes and sedans. The market will determine if there will be a sedan and coupe market. If North Americans wont buy a sedan or coupe, then there is no sedan or coupe to be produced.

It seems Ontario is on a roll lately as the Province also bagged Volkwagen's first North American battery factory. Great news for Canada and especially Ontario. Im a little saddened for Quebec and the news about VW's choice for Ontario rather than Quebec...but Quebec's backwards politicians sometimes focus on antiquated issues and scare the population that the French language is in danger and therefore introduce stupid laws to 'protect' the French language and also continue to ever so whisper about separation from Canada into the equation and thus scare away big global endeavors away from the Province. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-volkswagen-picks-ontario-for-its-first-north-american-ev-battery-plant/ Canada’s effort to position itself as a major player in electric-vehicle manufacturing, and to prove that it can compete with massive new U.S. subsidies for automakers, has received a major boost from Volkswagen Group. The German auto giant on Monday announced that it has chosen St. Thomas, Ont., as the site for its first battery factory outside Europe, after considering locations in both Canada and the United States. Details of the planned investment, including the dollar amount and production capacity, were not provided and are expected in the coming weeks. But federal Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne pointed to Volkswagen’s description of the facility as a “gigafactory” – a term that is meant to indicate massive scale – to describe it as “probably the largest single investment in the auto sector in Canada’s history.”

Yesssss! VROD IS an AWESOME bike! I thought it was a commercial success for H-D. I know that there was a bunch of Harley guys that hated it, kinda like how some Corvette guys still hatin' on the C8, but I thought over all, the VROD sold well.

I do not think that is true. Not anymore. Sure...they want to produce trucks. V8 trucks. Hey...that is what makes them the cash. Ford has two EVs and both of those EVs are beholden to old school thinkers but told them outright: Your favorite Fords are now ELECTRIC...DEAL WITH IT. Their cash cow, golden goose F150. And their other icon. The MUSTANG Mach-E. And its a CUV. 4 door CUV. Cadillac has CUVed their Sedan DeVille and electrified it and called it the Lyriq. And you mentioned the Vette. And yes. The E-Ray is gonna go on sale soon enough. And there is a small pattern too. Start off with EV models that can make money from the get go. They make money on a Lyriq. They make money on the Hummer EV. Next up is the Silverado EV which is very closely related to the Hummer. At the price point that the E-Ray is at, they will make money with that one too. Especially when the C8 has been a success commercially. Would be even more so had it not been for chip shortgages and Covid closures. But...in (late?)2023 the Equinox EV and Trailblazer EV WILL be coming on line. In 2024 is when GM will be talked about and their EVs. Patience. Dont forget that in China... SAIC/GM/Wuling is selling tons of EVs. ANY hiccups will be rectified in China, GM will learn from that and GM USA will be better for it.

Id rather GM continue on the way they are on now. The EVs will be coming. Slow. But reliable. GM cannot afford any missteps, any bad press any bad anything. The Lyriq's production was purposesly slowed down for exactly the reasons I stated above. https://electrek.co/2023/01/11/gm-to-accelerate-cadillac-lyriq-rollout-after-122-deliveries-in-2022/#:~:text=After delivering only 122 Cadillac,customers receive the best quality. After delivering only 122 Cadillac Lyriq EV models in 2022, General Motors says it was purposely slow with the rollout as it worked through issues with its new electric vehicle and to ensure customers receive the best quality. With a stockpile of 2023 Cadillac Lyriq models, GM says it’s now confident in its process going forward. I bitched about quality issues of Hyundai and KIA and tied it with GM and how GM gets the shyte STILL today... We talked about Hyundai/KIA issues with their ICE vehicles, but they also have issues with their EVs... https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-kia-ioniq5-ev6-rollaway-risk-recal/ Hyundai and its sister brand Kia are recalling their latest and greatest Ioniq 5 and EV6 electric vehicles over concerns that a software issue could cause their parking brakes to disengage and present a roll-away risk. This recall affects 10,729 Ioniq 5s and 9,014 EV6s in total. With the problem being software-based, the fix for this issue is luckily relatively straightforward and involves your Hyundai or Kia mechanic updating the software for the Shifter Control Unit. GM cant afford ANY of that kind of publicity. GM has a record of quality as of late. They NEED to continue this and rolling out EVs JUST for the sake of saying they have EVs out for sale is not necesssary as the ancient Bolt EV and EUV at the price GM is selling them now is comfortably in 3rd place. Making money for a better transition going forward with an ALL EV line-up in the very very near future. Their ICE trucks selling at a slight uptick making MORE money for GM. Why spend all that profit for unnecessary recall repairs while getting a black eye on quality and reliabilty again? GM is feeling a tad frisky in spending money. They want to go racing in F1 with Cadillac. I think THAT is a better way to blow through cash than recall repairs with even more money on useless JD Power commercials tooting reliability trying to convince people that GM cars ARE reliable. Yeah...remeber those commercials? GM's marketing department gets to advertise Cadillac, Ultium if they go racing in F1 and the exposure is ALL POSITIVE. No need to convince ANYBODY because the proof will BE in the pudding!!! Ill repeat. Hyundai/KIA and all those recalls and I YET to see ANYBODY complaing about how their wife's brother's uncle's sister bought a Hyundai and it was shyte and therefore they will NEVER buy a Hyundai EVER again. GM gets to relive the malaise era time and time again even in 2023... Rush the EVs, have as many as recalls as Hyundai has now and tell me with a straight face that GM will NOT get any blowback...

Ive had this jingle in my head today. I like the late 60's bubble gum rock style guitar twang. And the lyrics... I dig the lyrics. I think my signature had something to do with it... Anyway... if Im posting this jingle in the beautiful cars thread, I think you all know what Im gonna post...

About that front end... Im gettin' vibes from the town that belongs to the Lord Not sayin' its a good thing or bad. Im just gettin' vibes, man. Other than that...I got nothin' to say. Its yet another CUV in the North American market.

News. Reporting it but not condemning it. News reports of the 70s, 80s, 90s and well into the 2010s, NEWS reports would ROAST the Big 3. ROAST them. That NBC "news show" even staged FAKE fire explosions to undermine GM... Thank-You This is all I was saying. But of course...a little rant to go along with that stance... But the rant is genuine. Its an opinion that I truly believe in.

They might BE bringing out a ton of cars, but their cars have a ton of problems... Maybe...they should SLACK off the numbers and concentrate on quality control. Because, its kinda useless to bring out new model after new model when their models arent exactly driven by their new owners and are being recalled... Because you were quite impressed by their new model roll out. I wasnt BECAUSE well...shytty cars. Same problem Ford has had and if you have been paying attention, I have been jabbing at Ford for THAT exact reason... Ford has been just as shytty as Hyundai/Kia has for new vehicle roll out. I dont defend anyone. But I DO lend my opnion out for shyttyness. Hyundai no different. BUT... Ill repeat, its funny how when the BiG 3 done shyte 40-50 years ago...self-hatin' Americans let them know but its funny how Toyota been doin' shyte and they get a free pass. Hyundai/KIA is ALL OVER the news RIGHT NOW and not a phoquing peep... But praise them for rolling out new models at a record pace...I guess... Forget about almost record setting pace in recalls and shytyness... My bad.

No need to defend Hyundai/Kia CCAP. The Bolt's fire issues are not directly from GM but of their battery supplier... Semantics is semantics. But my point stands when deflection is made and a "WHAT ABOUT" argument arises... The Hyundai/Kia fires are from their 4 cylinder engines. Like Ford's problems with their 1.6 4 cylinder ecoboost and their 3.5 V6. But with Ford, no injuries. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/ More than 7 million vehicles have been recalled. If you own one, here’s what you should know. Since 2010, more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to a type of four-cylinder engine used by both automakers. But those numbers reflect just a fraction of the millions of Hyundai and Kia vehicles that are at increased risk for catching fire for other reasons—including faulty wiring and brake system and battery problems—and aren’t part of this current NHTSA probe. In fact, according to tallies from Consumer Reports and the Center for Automotive Safety, over the past 12 years the automakers have sent recall notices for over 7 million cars and SUVs to fix problems that could cause vehicles to catch fire. In some cases, the automakers have been unable to immediately address the underlying issues and have instructed owners to park their vehicles outside and away from structures to minimize property damage if the vehicles catch fire. Like I said...we STILL talk about Ford Pintos catching on fire. Yes, I know...something more sinister about Ford CEOs tallying up what was cheaper, recalls or death pay offs. But why arent the same type of investigations going on for Hyundai/KIA right now. The past 12 years for Hyundai and Kia. The Pinto didnt last in the market place a fraction of that 12 year number. Lets hold Hyundai/Kia to the SAME standards that we held Ford and GM accountable during the malaise era and let us BOYCOT Hyundai and Kia... What about THEM apples???!!!