oldshurst442

And I, not being the one NOT to stop beating a dead horse I did quick research. Like quick. VW and Toyota in the 2000s have emerged to be legit global car makers. Moreso than GM. I mentioned GM of 1965, but Toyota and VW have best sellers in EVERY region of the planet. Especially in the 2000s up until today. They got hits like Priuses and Corollas and Camrys and Rav4s and smnall pickup trucks and Jettas/Boras and Golfs/Rabits and all kinds of other stuff like Polos and shyte we simply dont get here in the US and Canada but are quite the buzz everywhere else in the world. And the MOST GLOBAL market share...REAL GLOBAL MARKET share unlike GM in 1965 that Toyota and VW could muster is 13%. Toyota's and VW's global market ranges between, it fluxes, 9%-13%. Toyota in 2022 sits at 11.7% That is with multiple brands. With again...a literal HUNDRED of models. Ditto for VW. Its good to be a dreamer. Elon is a celebrity of the highest order. And he has made things happen. Paypal, Tesla, Space X, buying twitter and literally become THE talk of the town worldwide... But there ARE limits to which dreams CAN come true if the proper and necessary steps are not taken. Tesla is not where it should be to be able to get 10% market share, let alone 33%. Shyte, GM has a 6% global marker share in 2022 and Elon is far from gaining on GM. Model & sells 1 million units. GM has the pick-up trucks. But GM has plenty of other units to be where its at... Tesla has not. GM invests billions on NEW platforms. Tesla has not entered that realm yet to offer 2nd gen models. The Roadster is MIA.

My math is worng 5% divided by 20% = 4% Elon wants 33% when GM at its height was a mere 20% with less world competition and car manufacturing competence... I aint sayin' its impossible. Anything can happen. But what a tall feat to accomplish on so little.

@Drew Dowdell has already explained how its virtually impossible for Tesla to produce 20 million cars in one year. And year after year after that. Actually sell 20 million in one year to customers is even MORE impossible. Especially for Tesla... In 1965. WORLD WIDE CAR PRODUCTION was aprox. 20 million units. GM had aprox. 50% US market share in 1965. JUST about the most it has ever had. GM touched just about 51% US market share in 1961. US car production was aprox 10 million units in 1965. Slightly less but all numbers rounded for my numbers to work nicer. GM had a GLOBAL market share of 5 million on 20 million = to aprox. 25% GLOBAL market share. Elon wants...does NOT mean Elon will get. Its a fairlytale. Elon says Tesla is capable of 20 million units sold? In the 2020s...aprox. global production slowed to 60 million units. It did hit a high of 70 some odd million. Anyway, keep numbers round for easy computation. Elon wants 20 million units out of 60 million. THAT is 33% GLOBAL market share... WTF???!!!! GM at its HIGHEST couldnt hit that much and GM in 1965 was a force that Elon could only DREAM of. And HE could dream big. VERY big. GM done those numbers with MANY brands and ALL brands were firing on ALL cylinders. EACH brand had models that were hotter than the next. Literally hundreds of models across 6 or 7 or 8 brands (6 of them in North America) with ALL kinds of trim levels and engine configs and when the WORLD didnt have as many car makers as it has today... Elon wants 28%-33% GLOBAL market share on the strength of 4 now ancient models, 1 useless pick-up truck, one vaporware Roadster and a phantom 30 000 dollar MSRP Model 2? The Semi production run is inly 50 000 units...Elon projected. So that wont be enough to include in the 20 million unit dream. Yes...many OEMs WILL go under. But the big ones wont. GM, Hyundai (which IS the biggest company in the world), Toyota, VW. Ford will not go under. Mercedes might go under. But 2-4 million units per year and some of those buyers will go to Tesla. But some will go to GM and Hyundai and VW etc... The pie will not magically split up and Tesla will swallow it up. NOT on 4 ancient models. Tesla will have to spend LOTS of BILLIONS to get NEW platforms. And THOSE future models do NOT guarantee success both engineering wise and market share wise. Especially when the world right now is producing EVs... 33%???!!! Stellantis might lose a brand. GM might lose Buick. VW might lose Audi. Toyota might lose Lexus. Hyundai might KIA. Ford might lose Lincoln. But all those OEMs will not lose market share to Tesla. Those OEMs have built-in customers that date back 120 years. It took GM 60 years to get that brand loyalty to dominate in 1965. Tesla has made a dent...in the EV world. Tesla is MINISCULE in the grand scheme of car making things. Tesla has a huuuuge competition problem and the EVs presented by the others are decent EVs. Tesla is not 1965 GM. Tesla is huuuuuge with brand recognition. But even if that, Tesla is not GM of 1965.

I LOVE Phil Kessel!!! The Toronto Maple Leafs, the fans and the media made fun of him, something or tother about hot dogs... ran him out of town but the man...WON 3 STANLEY CUPS!!! HE..is the NHL record holder AND leader for the ironman streak that is STILL going on today! The Bruins fans...in Boston, and me just a little admittedly, used to chant "Thank-You Kessel" whenever he stepped on the ice...because well...Boston got the #2 pick because of him leaving for Toronto. But that #2 pick aint in Boston. Hadnt been IN Boston for a damn while. Only helped us get 1 Cup. Never got another Cup and got chased out of Boston. Kessel...has TWO Cups with Pittsburgh and ONE with Vegas. I LOVE PHIL KESSEL!!! I would have LOVED to see a Boston Bruins team with these fellas on it at the same time: Phil Kessel Taylor Hall Marc Savard In addition to: Patrice Bergeron Brad Marchand David Krejci Milan Lucic David Pastrnak

If Im not mistaken, the Model 3 and Model Y are of the same platform, right? Same construction, right? More or less the same battery components and structure for the vehicles. Even the same structure hard points but the Model Y being just a tad longer, right? Why cant there be a less of everything Model 3 and Model Y to get to 30 000 dollars? Same hard points, but less of whatever less constitutes to bring the MSRP to 30 000 dollars? GM done it with the Bolt and Bolt EUV. They took the Bolt, made it a tad longer, etc and added just a bit more to the MSRP. Surely Tesla could do the same but in reverse manner. I thought the Model 3 platform was scalable in some form? hence the Model Y? But Elon is not doing that. He is content with blabbering on about Model 2, so he could get the investor thing going so the market shares of Tesla keep up so he could finance glass houses and Twitter purchases and go to the moon. I mean Mars.

EXACTLY!!! I wanted somebody to point that out so I could say this: Tesla does not need to produce a 30 000 dollar model BECAUSE the Model Y sells at a VERY high rate just BEING at the price that it is. There is NO incentive for Tesla to produce a 30 000 dollar model because they already HAVE a bread and butter, high volume HIT on their roster. Two models at that. To spend BILLIONS on a NEW platform does NOT make any sense either. The Model 2 would just goggle up sales from the Model 3 and Model Y JUST like how the Model 3 and model Y gobbled up sales from the Model S. And so they wont. Tesla is better off with spending those billions on a NEW Model 3 and Model Y. Keep the price tags as they are. Tesla has their niche and their fans. They do NOT need to go downmarket. Their MSRP market is doing JUST fine where they are. A little side note: Funny how the Model S is NEVER spoken about today when talking about Tesla and THAT is what Tesla was ALL about even just 3 years ago... (Minus the vaporware hooplah like the Cybertruck or roadster...) The Model S is just a speed comparo with the enthusiasts. The Model S is not on anybody else's radar...

Tesla be spendin' billions on a new Model 2 platform to ensure a 30 000 dollar MSRP? Tesla been producin' what is now to be an old platform on the Model 3 and STILL cant afford to drop the Model 3 is MSRP to 30 000 dollars. Surely, the Model 3/Model Y platform has been paid off right about now to undercut its current MSRP to sink and drown its competition, right? So the idears is to spend billions on a NEW platform, when Tesla STILL hasnt figured out HOW to economy of scale anything, sure Munroe likes to tell us that Tesla has an up and down integrated system...but yet Tesla STILL hasnt figured out to economy of scale all their cars, Tesla hasnt figured out to produce effeciently yet, but spending billions on another platform will garner a 30 000 dollar Model 2... When right now, they could offer Joe Public a 30 000 dollar Tesla. 2 in fact!!! Yeah...I said RIGHT NOW!!! These 2. Offer a bare bones software package on them, call them the classic Model 3 and Y when the refreshed Model 3 and Y go on sale later this year... This is a supposed new Model Y VW done that plenty of times when introducing new Golfs... They call them City. Just an idea. Maybe Elon will see this a send a royalty check my way...

Yeah...sometimes its the little details, an accent here and there, a colour combo, a detail that jumps right at you, that makes a huuuuuuge difference in the look and feel to a watch that draws us to it.

How??? I guess its complicated on how you could miss it Okay then....

It does NOT exist and it WILL NOT exist... So why do you keep on repeating this? And you know its Elon Musk bullshyte. Because you wouldnt admit to this: Originally, as you know, and I know YOU know, The Model 3 was this mythical 30 000 dollar EV. The Model 3, SEVERAL times in its production run, including INITIALLY. but ESPECIALLY when Elon Musk said that new techniques of producing it will make it so, has not even come CLOSE in being a 30 000 dollar MSRP vehicle INCLUDING governmental incentives. So I ask, why do you INSIST with this nonsense of saying a 30 000 dollar Model 2 will exist? Simply cut this nonsense out.

I was thinking... Since all those three above are on the same platform, and used the same V8...which Ferrari lent them... And since Dodge is also part of Stellantis, being corporate brothers with Alfa... Maybe Dodge could use that platorm as well, and share the EV powertrain to make a new Viper.Squint a little and from this angle, a Viper could be seen. You could tell the front fenders are slithery. Not much work need there. The roof top could be worked to be more snakey. The back end is just as slithery. The wing of the Vipers could work well with the top rear of the Alfa. Just the lights need to be worked on to have some of the Viper's DNA. Original Viper GTS and the body work almost has an Italian flair to it. Which translated to the last Viper as well. But Dodge could ditch the scissor style doors. Not the first time would it be for Dodge and Alfa become brothers The TZ3 Stradale was a Viper underneath. An ev revival to the Viper is necessary I think!

I wanna know who's generation likes and WANTS this kind of shyte and gets entertained by it???!!! It cant be the phoquing boomers??? Is it MY gen. The Gen Xers???!!! Its cant be the millennials or the Z gen. These things are waaaaaaaaay too expensive for them... At least this what the popular word on the street is. This is what we are led to believe that most of them whine that there are no jobs and its tough for them to buy shyte. Shyte like houses... It might as well BE them that ask for this idiocy as I also heard these phoquers dont want to drive...they like their phoquing phones better!!!! Let me explain: I went to the Ford dealership a couple of days ago to set yet another appointment for yet *SIGH* another recall on the Fusion... double *SIGH* This is when I jumped into a Bronco that was in the showroom floor. To my horror...and reaction: When I saw what greeted me when I sat down...where the SPEEDOMETER IS SUPPOSED TO BE!!! Is this what has become of our society? That we need phoquing pictures and photograghs on little screens? Who the phoque decided that a picture where the speedometer is supposed to be is such a great idea that will entertain us when we...drive? Are we phoquing little children that we need this shyte? As a welcome when we get into our car? The Fusion has this Ford start up thing going on. I guess expensive cars greet you by name. If memory serves me right, Tesla does it... I repeat...are we children???!!! I HATE IT!!!! I dont want ANY pictures of wild horses on the big screen and I dont want pictures of rivers where the phoquing speedometer is supposed to be. I just want a phoquing speedometer, a tach at the most. Little idiot lights could be on a TV screen. Any of that could be on a TV screen. I want REAL phoquing buttons to change the temp and radio station in my car. I dont want all the other little shyte that we have today. I just want to DRIVE the phoquing thing. I dont want anything else... Is THIS the reason why cars go up in price? For unnecessary bullshyte like that???!!! Please make it go away?

Yes! I was thinking that as well when I posted it.

What's with the face??? Its a tribute to Burt Reynolds. The watch from one of his movies that he wore and his movie cars. Mainly the Trans Am. I dont understand where the EV smugness comes from regarding an EV Trans Am? I dont understand the connection you wanna make with it? But...you are more than wlecomed to post not only an EV Trans Am, but any car you would want to post. EV or otherwise...

Those are cool themed watches for sure!!! And while Tag's hue of blue for the Formula One is a classy choice lending itself in being a very nice watch, this is where my philosophy of staying classy goes haywire. (Not too take anything away from your watch choice @Robert Hall, but showing you guys how my twisted mind works sometimes) Ive mentioned several times that I dont like gaudy watches or saying things like a gentleman stays humble and doesnt reveal his watch etc... But like my colour choices in muscle cars and exotics and actually,exotic hyper cars not being my thing... I somteimes veer away from that "righteous" path and say shyte like: Sure, that Formula One Tag with a blue face is classy but in my funky world BECAUSE its a Formula One themed watch, I think Id like a more flashy Formula One Tag: The face has got the same blue hue, but with more pizzaz. Extra complications and a gulf livery stripe to it. Why would I contradict myself like that? Because I dont know... In my head, Formula One is extravagantly rich and arrogant. A watch that is based on that entity needs to copy that. With that being said, that Pan Am Timex is PERFECT!!! Id rock that watch and wear it daily!

I would want an EV 442. But not 2 seats. Ill take 2 doors, but I would want at least 4 seats. This, as you guys know, is a Dodge version of what I want. And Dodge cheekily has made it that 2 extra small doors could be made to make it a 4 door. Suicide style... Like this And it TOTALLY works for me.

In all honesty. I hope that it is the case that the fire was NOT from an EV. I am almost 'there' in the TOTAL acceptance THAT THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE AND THE VEHICLES THAT ARE POWERED BY THEM to be relegated to the history books. I am not quite 'there' in actually buyng an EV just yet, though. Especially now that my gravy train has made its final stop... EVs are just a tad out of reach for me, now. The Mach E was seriously in the forefront of me buying one in the next 2-3 years. But that notion was quashed as I have another annoucement to make when the time comes... News of products of not so in the distant future such as the Ultium Vehicle to Home tech, or Tesla's now veteran Powerwall system and other systems that WILL be coming online soon enough where a battery pack could be installed in the home, recharged either from the grid or by other external natural means such as (better/newer tech-ed) solar panels to facilitate V2H, V2L, V2G. Its exciting, Maybe not as glamorous as say a dawn to a new musclecar era, but it sure will change our ways of living.

I just realized...a very high end watch was inspired by a Bulova Computron from the 60s and 70s... A digital watch of all things. I like very high end watches, but an old money millionnaire once told me back when I opened up my restaurant once told me: Its money wasted to buy expensive watches. Cheap watches tell time as well as, if not better than the most expensive ones. They could be just as stylish. And a gentleman NEVER shows his time piece. Its humbly hidden under his shirt sleeve or pocket (pocket watch). And I tend to follow that logic more often than not.

A 25 thousand Tesla is a mythical creature. The shear mention of either brings hope and joy to millions. The promise of some sort of monetary compensation or gain... A figment of somebody's wild imagination. Both could be metaphors that we could use in life. But really, all we could do is dream that we may be able to find that pot o gold at the end of that long rainbow. In many cases in life, we do fall upon a financial windfall. But in Tesla's case, its more a case of wishful thinking. And there is sadly, nothing else to say. OK...maybe one thing. It actually sells no matter how it looks like. People have realized its a good little EV.

Original Reissue