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ah - OK - yea - that is it!

When I read the article this morning the data presentation struck me as odd also. It was not until after I saw you question it that I went back and looked more closely.

"In July 1 Toyota (including Lexus and Scion) outsold 2 Ford and outsold 3 Chrysler and closed in further on 4 General Motors. Here are the numbers:" 1 Toyota 146,266 2 Ford 90,483 3 DaimlerChrysler 55,660 4 General Motors 176,623

Could not have said it any better myself."The problem, of course, isn't the press. It's been the product , but the executives are too smart than to call the American people, the folks who buy those foreign cars, dumb or treasonous or foreigner-lovers. It's the press."

And, tell me how that differs from Ford?

Well said. Adding to that, for NA, only the Buick version of the Statesman and Velite never received final approval since that announcement. Though at modest volume targets at app 35k/yr, it can be argued that the vehicles would not have had a significant impact on re-establishing Buick's relevance which may be better served with a zeta based Lucerne replacement and the Eps Lacrosse. There have been no significant programs for Buick cancelled and if you figure app. $500 million/ program, the investment works out. But you must include the programs that were mentioned in the article and the next generation vehicles.

Thanks - that says it all!

Someone please go search the net a find the original $3B investment in Buick press release. It would help if we were all on the same page. That way I may be able to shed some light on what the PR actually meant.

No the PR refers to CY.

"and will go on sale in the first quarter of 2009."

You know marketing folks and how they like to one up the next guy. As of January 1, 2009 legally the vehicle can be sold as a 2010MY vehicle. Boy do I love when reality begins to set in.

I hope that is not the case. The vehicle is stil 2 and 1/2 years away.

I agree. A number that is consistently overlooked in GMs 2005 results was a negative cash flow of $20 billion for the NA automotive operations.

Problem is I believe those percentage are buried in the 10ks or other filings. You would have to do a lot of research to put the story together including digging up the SEC filings and sales numbers for the US. And I assure you it takes time.

According to the second Q results for their automotive operations: GMNA's net income loss of $0.085B in the second quarter before the write down. For the year GMNA's net income loss of $0.547 before any special charges.

Maybe you do not know this, maybe you do. People regard you, guionM as an insider. I have been elluding to as much for many months now. As a result, you need to be careful how you post and what you post. Why? many people hang their hats on the very words you write as fact. When if fact you might be speculating or you might not understand the subject matter fully and reporting the facts as you see it, those facts as you may see them have many time been taken out of context and mis reported. So I will be a forth right and blunt as I can be. Be careful what you write. If you want to be labeled as an insider you have to take the responsibility that goes along with that. In your own reply back to me about Buick and Pontiac you obviously have already taken information that you have learned out of context. As I said, you have been labeled an insider. It is time that you start reporting information in an accurate manner. Speaking of Pontiac - program codes with timing are all I need to believe. And I chose to post responsibly on such subjects. As far as Camaro is concerned, I also posted responsibly, and nowhere did I make such claims as you attribute. And I have not spoken on the subject in real long time. In that regard I have tried to be a moderating voice in the rumours and pie in the sky timing you have posted. I have been around this business a real long time to know the way it works. In conclusion, being a so called insider comes with a little responsibility.

$32 Billion in Assets in the form of Cash and cash equivalents and Marketable securities have been liquidated in the past 12 months. Those are cash assets GM no longer has at its desposal. That is not depreciation, that is actually cash assets. i.e - Income < Expenditures. My advice - consult a CPA. Again you post many words but do not say anything that supports your position.

Yup - dodge the facts. Your opinion is not supported by the realities of the situation, change the subject. Deflect. You behave just like the politicians and liars you claim are on your long list.

And I will say it again - get your head out of your a$$. I know it is hard to ask of you. But just looking over the thread, I actually put financial numbers to GMs problems; where you make blanket, unsupported statements. So that we are all on the same page: No - The answer is N-O based upon GM SEC filings. 27 Billion "funny money" write down? No that is spent cash. Gone. Money that will not be going toward new product. Enough said.

Do you actually expend brain cells to make this drivel up? Wrong and wrong!

From GM's 2nd Q Release: Total cash and securities June 30, 2005: $55B Total cash and securities June 30, 2006: $23B Yea - that is funny money? I think it is time you get your head out of your a$$ and grow up.

But Economics of Scope is the future of Autodom. The days of large scale volume are just about over for all but a few nameplates. OEMs today are going to have to be very savy in controling piece cost on component sets as well as small batch build flexibility at the plants. At the same time accounting for premium pricing with innovative optioning of the model. It is at the point right now where any product that sells 100k - 50k is high volume. Manufacturers are going to have to leverage platforms and pricing to be profitable with more models at sbustancially lower volumes. Porsche is doing very well at that strategy. Now the rest of autodom needs to follow that lead. Now that needs to be translated to mainstream brands. Kappa would be a start to a great experiment.

Not anymore. Sedan/928 are a go for '09. Niche product is where it's at nowadays. (see 4 dr. coupes, crossovers, small MAV). The next segment creation yields much smaller total numbers. (No more 64 Stangs, more Hummer H3's or MercB CLS's) 177303[/snapback] Economics of Scope!

Yea - but you know they are wrong.

GMX-283 Was Buick's version of the just released Holden Statesman. The vehicle was to be Buick's flagship that was to fill the void left when the Park Ave was cancelled. The Holden build 283 was not to be a high volume vehicle and sell in limited numbers. The 283 was cancelled almost 2 years ago. There is a NA zeta Buick planned that coincides with the replacement of the Lucerne. The code is out there.