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I hope your right, I am glad to hear you think government should let GM go free after this passes. Thanks for clarifying.

You have some REALLY good points in this statement.

Point taken. Honestly Drew I just hope good can come from this and GM can live at this point even if products suck. (small boring FWD cars think Aveo's and Metro's) I am wondering what you think should happen to GM, and what kind of products we will have to buy, after the current product line gets updated?

Chris even though I disagree with you I still like you. No doubt I still like GM and think good can come from all this. Here's to hoping.

No I am just pulling your leg. Actually tho I have "lost it" to a certain degree.

I can agree on this with communtiy colleges are great my son is attending one, my wife graduated from one. I believe government has its place and needs to provide basic services and such as you mentioned. Nationalizing a once private and sucessful company like GM and banks is not what they are around for. Government has its place and I love National Parks but, government also has limitations. Did I ever say all government was bad, seriously. Chris I have alot of respect for you and Oldsmoboi but just disagree with you about some key issues. That is okay and the freedom to do that makes our country great. I hope you guys are right that this turns out okay. Having said that I am not holding breath.

Couldn't agree more.

Great article, I couldn't agree more.

Mine has been sitting on the road a few months now. :AH-HA_wink:

My son and I would kill for that. The time machine that is.

Thanks for good news. That makes me feel alot better, I thought they had good products. It is good to hear from a happy customer/owner of a Viper system.

I respectfully disagree with 100 percent. GM would be is so much better shape now had it filed for chapter 11 this past fall. General Motors would not go away but come out a sucessful lean company that could actually build a car, for a profit. GM would still be around and it alot better shape, other compaines have done it and it worked fine for them. C&G would not be a historical site either, because GM would be around without government oxygen. I think GM has better products than Ford or at least some, but I would go to Ford only because I don't want a car from government motors. I will just have to buy used, I will turn into someone like 68 who is around here to celebrate the past of a once great American company. A company that was free from government and could build anything they wanted to, and nothing was standing in their way. Not government. Not cafe. That is the days I am going to have to celebrate because aside of the GMT-900's, Camaro, Malibu, CTS, DTS, STS, and Enclave GM has no products I would consider or even desire to afford. Sorry end of story. The best days our behind us, but government has run so many things so well right? I will not support GOVERNMENT MOTORS, but I will support a privately/union owned GENERAL MOTORS. Big difference if government has a controling stake rest assured after a Camaro I may very well be done with GM. First they killed Olds, then Pontiac and now could be owned by the government. Three strikes your out. As far as C&G being the right place for me, of course it is we are GM's biggest fans (I am one) and toughest critics (I am one of those too). Look at what I am saying about getting into bed with big government and GM's great products in the same breath. Sorry C&G is as right for me as anyone. I have a view different than yours and disagree in the outcome of a chapter 11. GM doesn't need governments help, just like me, I want them out of my life.

Thanks for the kind words, we have had good luck with our 2001 except for some intake work on it two years ago. I know my son will like the 2005 LS more than the 2001 base, and what sane person wouldn't. Glad you like your 2008 they are very good cars. In my family we have the 2001 Base Sedan 90K, my sister has a 2004 Base Sedan 50K, we will have hopefully a 2005 LS 60K, and my brother/sister in law have a 2008 LTZ with 15K that I helped them pick out. No we have a thing for Impala's that is for sure. :AH-HA_wink:

I couldn't agree more. GM has REALLY great cars out, even non-GM I know people admit it.

We do need to let things shake out z28, I do have some hope. I will take a Union run compnay not great but at least it gives then incentive to survive. I really hope a traditional company and chapter 11 filing emerge that is what GM needs, if the bond-holders don't get "pushed" like they did at Chrysler we might actually be okay. If government even gets a small stake in them fine, but the Union and private investors need to have the majority. You are right we should wait and see. Time will show all.

Nor did he help it. Trust me he said more cuts had to be made, not what had to be cut. So Pontiac went. Oldsmoboi I think you are trying to remain positive which is good, having said that I am being realistic. We have a true disagreement about the role of government in our society, fine. I am upset with GM for asking government for money from Bush, he should have said no, fix it yourselfs. I am upset at Obama and his worthless auto-task force who KNOW NOTHING about cars thinking if they run it, they can fix it, uhhhh yeah right. It is this belief that government can fix things, I think they have fixed enough that past few years, yes even under Bush. I know we don't totally have a free market but what we are going towards now looks even less like one. I don't want GM to become Government Motors or worse yet Green Motors, and if you don't see this as a possible outcome fine, but many of us do. I want GM to be run the way it should be owned by investors not government, and building products consumers demand not government. I don't know why you think disagreeing or looking at government in a different way is a bad thing. I think alot of $h! is going to happen with regulation and will regulate ourselfs to death and send more jobs over-seas. Wait until we cap trade, oh yes we will be in for it. The auto industry will be killed by more things than just taking government money. I have spoke my mind, it is a disagreement about the role of government. I don't like any big government, republican or dem. I hope the bond-holders don't cave and let the company become "Government Motors" and if you think were nuts of thinking it fine, but we see it as an option. After someone in my family gets a new Camaro, we might even move to Ford. This will depend upon what happens, if we get a president who tells GM get off the government dole and fix your own problems in four years I would love to see that. It can be a democrat or republican, and I would be happy.

Well I am hoping something good comes from this or that next president tells GM either do buisness like you should in a free market or die.

Sorry to hear the bad news.

This is a wonderful article indeed. Someone gets it. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for the input WMJ about the papers and install work. Keep the thoughts coming...

Thanks Camino for the input. Anyother comments, help suggestion please chime in. I am have NO CLUE on these things. Except that GM installs them from the factory on many of there products any my brother/sister in law have a factory remote start installed on their 2008 Impala LTZ and love it.

Thanks for the help Satty and the comments! I hope this is the case.

Well I also updated the orginal forum with the car but decided to start a new topic about this... The 2005 Chevrolet Impala LS as many of you may know that I plan on getting (when his new Impala comes in.) This is only a remote start system no aftermarket alarm or security has been added from Viper or anyone else. This is a Viper remote start system. It was installed by a pro audio/tint shop in my area who has a good rep, if this was done right will this system give me any problems? Also if it would at some point can they be removed or at least the module? I did try the remote start, aux button with does the trunk and the lock and unlock and had no problem with it. The system worked as it should for me... So is this something to worry about provided it was done right? Also if we have problems can the system be removed relatively simply? Any help would be apperciated, I would like to know as soon as I can. For all I know his new car is coming in soon. Anyother information I should be aware of about this stuff please let me know! All help is welcome and apperciated!

The other thing I forgot to mention was it has a Viper brand remote starter added in 2007. I tried the remote start and trunk release along with the lock/unlock all function as they should. My question being is this something to worry about not working or causing a problem, I know Viper is a good brand but have heard horror stories about after-market remote starts and alarms. Note the vehicle has a factory alarm, the Viper system is only for remote starting of this vehicle. My question being if this was installed right on this Impala LS should it give me any problems? The big "IF" is if it was done right by a professional, which it supposedly was a a window tinting/remote start place in town whom has a good rep. Any comments on that?

The more I study the photos the more I like it Camino. I would love to see you get it and treat it well provided you can swing it any possible fixes she may need. That truck deserves a good home and is very nice shape at least from your photos. Do what you think is right in your gut. I know you'll make the right choice. Neat truck though.