G. David Felt

I understand that, I am just trying to say that once we recover R&D on the high end of auto pricing, we should be able to move electric powertrains into the low end of auto costs so that you can have a proper $20,000 auto that is pure electric and profitable.

Yet Diesels have been around long enough to have reduced their cost and yet have not. As such, I do expect as the EVs take off prices will come down across the whole spectrum of autos from entry level to Luxury.

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@dwightlooi Thank you, always enjoyable to read and think about your insight on engines.

5ft bed is more than useful for most buyers, 6ft or 8ft is not needed by the bulk of buyers running to the nursery or Home Depot for weekend projects. Jeep has clearly judged their buyers right as weekend projects or off road play / camping. Commercial work of a 6 or 8 ft bed is covered just fine by GM, Ford and Ram.

Sounds nice, be interesting to see how it rates once the media gets their hands on it and test it against the competition. Glade to see more choices, I am sure it will sell, but to what extent who knows.

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Looks like they borrowed a bit from the Jeep Cherokee in regards to the front end lights.

Have to give them credit for the defined front nose of the car over smooth that everyone else seems to build. Has style, stance and class from what I can see and read. Cool. This I would bet is powered by the same electrical power train as Porsche is using. Should sell well for them.

Sweet, nice ride!

Love the look inside and out, especially the Mocha brown interior just rocks. ONE BIG PROBLEM - Way too much baby boomer Chrome! WTF ?‍♂️ I honestly do not get why people think Chrome on everything makes it look better and is luxury. I hope they have a monochromatic option.

Like the interior two tone burgundy and very clean dash. Should sell well for them.

That would be great, but then that would also mean not funding money loosing defense companies too. There will always be reason to bail out and replace total mgmt like with GM due to the ripple affect of jobs that letting it totally fail would have caused. Much like the saving and loan mess of the 80's and how it would have really destroyed this country if the gov did not step in and take control and force change. Love this car, this is what we need now too.

No one ever told the GOV to sell, they could have waited and recovered, but the idiots in DC wanted to give money to the 1% crowd and over priced defense idiots. Yes I could go very political here, but lets just end it with the GOV and NOT the tax payers or GM sold and took a loss when they did not have to. Idiots in DC trying to tell a profitable company how to make money when they cannot handle a balanced budget. Crazy!

Both sexy looking Auto's to me, thank you for doing this comparison. I agree in pictures it does look smaller but clearly is much bigger.

True, they could probably drop $10,000 if they did RWD only as an option, but right now everything is AWD with Torque Vectoring and I suspect enough people will buy Rivian due to the comfy space inside being full size. Full Size EV is a game changer that no one else has touched yet. I wonder how much GM would charge for a full size RWD and AWD Pickup? ?

We all wondered if the Wheelbase of 3450mm was correct and Rivian says it is as the full length of this SUV is 5040mm. So we have a wheelbase of 135.8 inches or 11ft 3 inches and the overall length is 198.4 inches or 16ft 5 inches. This does not seem bad for a 3 row full size SUV to compete against the Taho / Yukon / Escalade.

Here is the full reveal that was posted online.

These base auto's were very trouble free due to the lack of electronics and ease of maintenance. Think how solid a base auto from any auto company would be if it was all manual with minimal gov required safety devices. It could with proper maintenance outlast many more expensive auto's.

Very true, companies have forgotten that they have to have base model, for people to afford and start out with. I see no reason to not have a base model car that has manual door locks, manual windows, no AC, basic AM/FM radio and minimal electronics as a starter auto for teens / college students.

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Sadly I see way too many young people more engrossed in social media on their smartphone and using Uber / Lyft than wanting to drive. ?‍♂️

There were actually 3 skateboard platforms that GM sunk millions into. January 2002 was the GM Hy-wire skateboard platform that used Hydrogen to power a drive by wire system. This was their latest Skateboard platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Hy-wire 2006 was the updated Skateboard concept from GM, the Sequel fuel cell concept skateboard. https://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/08/gm_announces_dr.html October 2017 SURUS autonomous fuel cell skateboard that GM says would help disaster relief. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gms-surus-fuel-cell-truck-platform-could-be-a-disaster-relief-hero/ Some might say the 1996 EV1 that GM killed and many believe was a cave in to Oil companies was the very first original skateboard platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1 QUESTION to be asked is WHY did GM never actually use this future tech to move auto production forward? Yes we know battery tech was not as good as it is now, but they clearly had ideas on how to build a global platform that would reduce costs in production of auto's with better driving characteristics.

Have you driven a Pilot or Ridgeline or Odyssey? yes they move the auto, but performance and excitement they are not. This is just a shaved CUV of those ugly blah auto's for people who want blah auto's. Gutless to me it is.

True, this just might finally clean house on who is still in the game in 20 years.