G. David Felt

Hi Dwight, Always appreciate your take and input on this. 1) I will disagree with you on economic sense. If looking at the bigger picture of how much toxic exhaust to toxic chemicals current ICE auto's can drop into the environment as well as the affect an ICE auto has versus an EV auto on the same environment, for people who can afford them now, they would see the long term affect of having a 21st century EV auto as being cost effective. One cannot just take a black and white approach to EVs due to cost alone. The bigger picture of how auto's affect the planet's climate cannot be denied as they exhaust does have an affect and many people are taking that into affect. On top of this battery costs are being reduced greatly each year and I do expect by 2025 to be on par with ICE. 2) We have had this discussion @Drew Dowdell has pointed out the change in thinking many times and we are moving to get there with rapid charging and solid state batteries that can recharge in minutes. Currently you cannot unless it is an Econ box sub compact with a tiny gas tank of less than 10 gallons fuel all auto's in 3 min. Average fuel tank size on full size trucks and SUV's is 26 gallons. USA limits gas pumps to a maximum flow of 10 gallons a minute from the main tank if all else is perfect. With filters and multiple auto's fueling this rate is usually reduced to an average of 5 gallons per min based on the industry. That would mean for an average 26 gallon fuel tank your are taking from empty 5 to 6 minutes to fuel. Yet many people fill up from a quarter tank or due to limited funds only put in a few dollars and go. EV you can always just get enough energy to get home and then plug in and finish over night. EV's will cause a change in approach to how one fuels their auto due to options that never existed with ICE auto's. 3) Totally agree with you on this point, I think the existing OEMs will bring a far superior EV auto to market due to their experience in mass production that Tesla has FAILED to learn from. 4) I totally get this point and I think that is where Hybrids will come in for those that have a harder time changing habits with an EV. I do believe that the newest solid state battery designs that have been published and are going into production for auto's that will come to market in 2024 and 2025 will help greatly with this as we see increased energy density in the individual cells that will allow for smaller battery packs where needed or keeping the same size but drastically increasing range. Already GM has revised their Ultium battery packs to now have 450 miles of range. GM Ultium design of small cell packs allows for ease of replacement if a section has a bad cell or two. This does allow for repair rather than total replacement. Toshiba, LG and Samsung have all moved to a modular design for this very reason. Panasonic has stated they have battery change designs coming, but have not clearly stated what those changes are. Tesla seems to want to build excess cells in to off set the potential for a bad cell or two but has remained vague on this. It will be interesting to see the direction we go in how battery repairs / maintenance is done for EV auto's.

Watching this video where you see this bad boy in action, love the deep rumble. This is what a proper exhaust note should sound like not those high pitch turbo notes. This is good too! This is totally bad ass, love the history they do leading up to the 392 reveal! Awesome Commercial by Jeep.

This looks like Killer Fun!

Interesting review on how the Kia Telluride is still king after 18,000 miles especially over the Hybrid Highlander from Toyota. I will say that they mention the 2021 winner being the Land Rover Defender and after seeing the video @A Horse With No Name I believe posted about a review group who bought for long term testing a Defender and are on their 3rd one in only 200 miles, I highly question their 2021 Winner. I have not heard of the issues for the Kia compared to the Defender. 2020 Kia Telluride Long-Term Update: Still the King After 18,000 Miles (motortrend.com) Love write ups like this on cool Barn finds, but I do find it sad that someone bought it and just let it sit rather than enjoy driving it. Barn Find Cars, Chevy Camaro Edition: Featuring ’69 Z/28s and a Yenko Conversion (motortrend.com) I have started to wonder if BMW and their huge grill is them wanting to really be a Royal Royce Phantom as those auto's also have a huge freak'in grill. ?

Could we also stop the stupid over payment of money to these jocks and have the owners pay for their own stadiums rather than dump the millions on the tax payers. Just saying, stupid over payments to the jocks, stupid dumping of hundreds of millions of debt on the local tax payers, dumping of maintenance cost on the tax payers when the Billionaire owners can afford it themselves.

Boomer Music!

I would rather cook some yummy food and watch a movie with a bottle of wine than watch sports.

Bombastic

I have seen from name brand 9V to generic 9V batteries live a wide range of life. For smoke detectors, habit is every XMAS, Replace the 9V no matter what to insure it is fresh and strong. Cheap insurance I think that way.

It is very interesting to see what is posted by leaders of various battery companies. EV focused writeups on EV battery life, but they seem to deal with the same key details as every other type of battery. How Long Should An Electric Car’s Battery Last? (myev.com) Just How Long Will An EV Battery Last? (insideevs.com) Battery Lifetime: How Long Can Electric Vehicle Batteries Last? (cleantechnica.com) Electric Car Battery Life, Cost of Replacement, Recycling & Leasing | EDF (edfenergy.com) From hearing aids to laptop batteries there are a variety of interesting responses, but the consistent thread I read is that depending on consistency of charging, power surges, extreme use versus a consistent use will all affect battery life. Course cheaper designed batteries tend to not last as long as higher quality batteries. Life Expectancy of Unused Batteries Tom Begley Batteries 424 (audiologyonline.com) CEO of Ray o Vac batteries talking about hearing aid batteries. This is solid from Trip Lite, read for the details, but this is consistent. 1. Ambient Temperature 2. Number of Discharges 3. Age 4. Load Sizing 5. Maintenance 5 Factors that will Shorten the Life of Your UPS Battery (tripplite.com) APC, one of the worlds largest UPS builders and sellers has the following on their battery for life expectancy. What is the expected life of my APC UPS battery? Environment: All Three Phase and Single Phase UPS Models Cause / Resolution: Most APC batteries should last three to five years. There are many factors which affect Battery life including environment and number of discharges. Below are some guidelines to ensure optimum life expectancy: 1. Operating Temperature: The optimum operating temperature for a lead-acid battery is 20-25° C (68-77° F). Elevated temperature reduces longevity. As a guideline, every 8° C (15° F) rise in temperature will cut the battery life in half. A battery which would last for 4 years at 25° C (77° F), will only be good for 2 years if operated at 33° C (95° F). Keep in mind that the battery temperature inside your UPS will always be warmer than the ambient temperature of the location where the UPS is installed. 2. Battery Calibration and Deep Discharge: Only perform runtime calibrations on your UPS one or two times a year, if necessary. Some of our customers want to check their systems to verify that their runtime is sufficient. However, consistently performing these calibrations can significantly decrease the life expectancy of your APC battery. It is also important to remember that a UPS is not designed for constant deep discharges. We do not reccomend using your APC Smart-UPS/Back-UPS as a portable power supply that is repeatedly discharged/recharged (like on a portable equipment cart). These units are designed for emergency use during unexpected power outages or momentary loss of power. 3. Storage: Do not store APC batteries for extended periods of time. New batteries/units should be stored for no more than 6 months from date of purchase, as they ship from the factory at approximately 80% charge. After this period, the battery should be used or it will lose a great deal of its charge . It is not advisable to store batteries that have already been in use. Extended storage without periodic charging can result in shortened life expectancy and erratic battery performance. Temperature also plays a large part in battery degradation during storage: If the ambient temperature during storage is - 15°C to + 30°C (+ 5°F to + 86°F), perform a full recharge cycle at least every six months. In environments where the ambient temperature is + 30°C to + 45°C (+ 86°F to + 113°F), perform a full recharge cycle at least every three months. 4. Load: As the load increases on your UPS, the runtime decreases. It is not recommended that the load exceed 80 percent of the UPS unit’s rated capacity. In the event of a power failure, a UPS loaded to full capacity will discharge the battery very quickly and there is a potential that the life expectancy of the battery will be significantly reduced.

Reality sucks for some and will be hard for those that hate change. Hate is a strong word but is something that we all have to work on as we live in a Multi-Cultural world and really need to learn to accept the differences that drive us. We all cannot expect everyone to change to be like us otherwise the world would be boring, but we can accept to agree to disagree. I do not expect Bill to ever like the EVs that are coming, but I also would not expect him to give up loving ICE auto's. I hope he can eventually come to accept them being part of the auto industry. I hope we all can at least talk about the pro's and con's of EV, BEV, Hybrids, etc. and acknowledge all auto's have their place in society, some more than others. Wishing you all a great weekend.

Relaxation

I would agree with your assessment that especially in this case, there is profiting at the expense of the consumer. Tesla has done this big time. I have much higher expectations for Rivian as RJ, CEO seems to have a much more common sense and grasp on Reality than Musk. Time will tell and Auto batteries are on the EPA cycle certification so I would expect as Ford, GM and many others of the old OEMs join the EV race that batteries will have to last the stated life expectancy.

This is so much better than the Tesla X!!!

Amazing 53 years, looking forward to the next 53!

Get Shorty

Carter

Check her post here out, that shows how spectacular it is! https://www.instagram.com/p/B_bXmK_JFeY/

Multi-Cultural

Free Love

Where did ya read this, that is crazy as I have never seen an EV cost that much to recharge the battery.

My sons 2017 Rhino colored Jeep GC. Still looking good!

This is so funny of a puppy looking at an a guy on the toilet. Puppy stares at stranger from underneath stall in public bathroom (msn.com)

As has been stated, I am moving slowly as my paid off, in show room condition current auto's has me in no Rush to be the first into them, happy to get the bugs smoothed out before I buy. Will be interesting to see as both the AWD Hummer and Rivian price out the same in the mid 70's for what I am looking at. If I win the Lotto then hell yes to a Hummer 1st edition and 1000HP.