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Did you see where the Mach-E controller for the motors is only $253.50 cents from a Dealer in Texas. Randomly looking online, wiring, connectors, etc. are cheap. The biggest cost is going to be in the battery pack as always. Currently at the same Texas Dealership the GT battery pack that is in this F-100 is $22,230.01 Battery & battery assemblies. High voltage.. 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E | North Park Lincoln, San Antonio TX (nplincoln.com) Yet this same battery pack on Cheaperfordparts.com is $18,000.00 Cost are becoming on par between ICE to electric. The battery pack still being the biggest cost and those costs are coming down. If we do a proper comparison, a single 460HP motor at $9,500 or dual motors at $7,800 with 562HP / 634 lb-ft of torque in AWD. I would take AWD over the RWD every day. Throw in the $253 controller for the motors, some wiring and yes even the $22K battery pack installed and your still competing with a 5 digit conversion price of the ICE system. ICE might be about $10K lower than Electric, but to each their own, some will want the electric such as me over an ICE solution and as long as I hold onto my auto's, this becomes cheaper and cheaper every day.

And your comparison is totally WRONG! There is no way that you can take a $9,500 V8 motor and drop it in that Mustang and be on the road for $12,500 Labor and other hardware needed to properly work is still boosting it up much higher than you are stating. Motor swaps like this at a licensed garage are costing much more. Electrical Motor in AWD is $7,800 for the two motors giving you way more performance than the Coyote motor. You still need the proper wiring harness, chip, exhaust connection, transmission connections, brakes and more and the cost, labor miscellaneous cost will have you more in the $25K to $30K easily for that Coyote swap. 99% of people DO NOT do their own swaps like you. If they wanted that Coyote swap, they will go to a garage and have all the same added costs that an electric swap will cost. The two pictures posted in the story is the electric motors.

The pricing still is cheaper than current equal performance ICE motors and the labor to have it installed and setup. Same thing with ICE, take a $7,500 auto, put in a $25K ICE motor and still have to have a new wiring harness, chip and any other mechanical changes and that ICE auto will still only be worth the $57K. This is no difference than your lovely 1964 Pontiac. Still not worth the money that one puts into it. Restoration is a labor of love to those that CHOOSE to restore the auto. I see every Friday at the local Taco Time here a ton of old auto's that have been restored and clearly they would not sell for anywhere near the money put into them for that ICE auto. It is choices and right now going electrical is clearly cheaper in everything other than the battery pack which costs are dropping yearly on. Right now the Controller cost for the electric motor is $253.50 per a Ford Dealership San Antonio Texas. Ford Mustang Mach-E Engine Control Module. MODULE - ENGINE CONTROL - EEC. CHARGING & CONTROL - MJ9Z12A650A | North Park Lincoln, San Antonio TX (nplincoln.com) Considering that this Ford F-100 was built using Mach-E GT parts, looking at the list for other parts still shows this to be a much cheaper solution than many of the V8 ICE crate motors. Genuine 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E Parts: Electrical, Lighting, Telematics | North Park Lincoln (nplincoln.com)

Pickup personalization according to GM was a $40 billion market in 2020 during the height of the pandemic and GM is supporting the change to Life Style auto's with options, almost 200 to be exact at SEMA 2021. GM is showcasing the GMC HUMMER Truck and SUV at SEMA and has released these pictures showing the options that are available to go with the HUMMER EVs. Storage of the removable top is just one of the easy ways the FRUNK comes into use for the HUMMER Truck. Lifestyle is a way of life and 2020 showed that more and more people are escaping to the woods to have their own private space. GMC has an option for those that want a tent on the go without dealing with the ground. GMC is also highlighting the ability to have the bed covered and still usable with rails that can support a variety of sports such as Mountain Biking, skiing/snow boarding, canoeing and more. GMC will be showcasing a dozen of the most innovative accessories at the SEMA show on the GMC HUMMER Truck. A hard Power Retractable Tonneau Cover An off-road recovery kit A 50-inch roof-mounted off-road light bar Front off-road auxiliary lights Rocker protector with integrated assist steps A bold, uniquely styled bed-mounted vertical spare tire carrier Sky Panel Storage Tray Set for eTrunkTM Unique accessory wheel design in Tech Bronze (with Tech Bronze center cap and black lugs) Under-seat organizer and I-Bar storage Cargo management rails GMC HUMMER Customers can easily utilize their accessories via HUMMER EV’s driver information center’s enabled virtual auxiliary switches, offering control for aftermarket accessories such as off-road lighting and winches, allowing the driver to activate the features without hard switches. Overall GMC is wanting people to see the Lifestyle choices they have when it comes to zero-emissions and that is what the GMC Hummer EVs give you. A lifestyle option for getting away from it all. GMC HUMMER EVs to Electrify SEMA Show GMC Pressroom - United States - Images View full article

I also can see this and if Ford put's together a Connect and Cruise package like GM has been doing and has stated they will do with their electric motors so that you have a complete package of motors, controllers, wiring and battery pack, this makes converting / restoration of an older auto with a 21st century powertrain awesome.

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Ford today previewed the future of auto restoration at the 2021 SEMA show with the official reveal of the Eluminator F-100 AWD electric pickup truck. This truck demonstrates the power of Ford Performance e-crate motors that customers can buy and use to go emission free with zero tailpipes. This 1978 Ford F-100 pickup features the 2021 Mustange Mach-E GT Performance Powertrain. Two electric motors drive the front and rear wheels with a combined 480 HP / 634 lb-ft of torque as limited by the controller for this installation. This is the first e-crate motor from Ford Performance Parts with much more to come. SEMA 2021 - Ford Performance Parts ELUMINATOR MACH E ELECTRIC MOTOR| Part Details for M-9000-MACHE | Ford Performance Parts The Ford Performance e-crate motor (Part # M-90000-MACH-E) is available now at $3,900 each. As part of a $50 billion global market annually, Ford looks to cash in on the performance crowd supplying e-crate motors, controllers, and so much more for your restoration to the electric world. Each motor is sold producing 281 HP / 317 lb-ft of torque by default and can be customized per installation/personalized. To quote Ford press Release: The all-electric F-100 Eluminator concept, designed and created by Ford Performance, was built in collaboration with MLe Racecars and sits on a custom chassis by the Roadster Shop. It’s painted in Avalanche Gray with Cerakote Copper accents applied by Brand X Customs, while the interior features a billet aluminum dash by JJR Fabrication and avocado-tanned leather upholstery by MDM Upholstery. It’s fitted with custom 19x10-inch billet aluminum three-piece wheels by Forgeline wrapped in Michelin® Latitude® Sport 275/45-19 high-performance tires. Over time, Ford Performance plans to develop a wide list of components based on the Eluminator powertrain in conjunction with industry leading performance manufactures, including battery systems, controllers, traction inverters and more as Ford closes the loop on full turnkey electrification solutions. This seems to be a focus much like GM's Connect & Cruise powertrain systems of which GM has committed to also having e-crate solutions available in the future. Chevrolet and GM Performance Parts for your Hot Rod, Car, or Truck (gmperformancemotor.com) Ford is very excited about the future and had many other electric turn key solutions being shown off at SEMA 2021 including their 1,400 HP Mustang Mach-E which they believe will hit 200 MPH at Bonneville Speed Week Summer of 2022. QUOTE: “The fact is, electric performance is fun, and as the industry moves toward electric vehicles, motorsports and the performance aftermarket will too,” said Mark Rushbrook, global director of Ford Performance. “Just as Ford is committed to leading the electric revolution on the product side, Ford Performance is equally committed to winning on the performance and motorsports front.” This past weekend, Ford’s Mustang Cobra Jet 1400, an electric-powered exhibition dragster prepared by Ford Performance and MLe Racecars, demonstrated its quickness at the NHRA Nationals in Las Vegas. All-Electric-Ford-F-100-Eluminator-Concept-Truck-B-Roll.mp4 Ford-Performance-Eluminator-Electric-Crate-Motor-B-Roll.mp4 The Future of Custom Vehicles: Ford Unveils All-Electric F-100 Eluminator Concept With New EV Crate Motor Customers Can Now Buy | Ford Media Center Truck Pictures: The Future of Custom Vehicles: Ford Unveils All-Electric F-100 Eluminator Concept With New EV Crate Motor Customers Can Now Buy Motor Pictures: The Future of Custom Vehicles: Ford Unveils All-Electric F-100 Eluminator Concept With New EV Crate Motor Customers Can Now Buy SEMA 2021 - Ford Performance Parts ELUMINATOR MACH E ELECTRIC MOTOR| Part Details for M-9000-MACHE | Ford Performance Parts Chevrolet and GM Performance Parts for your Hot Rod, Car, or Truck (gmperformancemotor.com) View full article

@balthazar Any Idea what the Car is?

Seems Toyota is coping Ford now with an official Trailer as they announced it today at SEMA. Toyota Displays Its TRD Sport Trailer Ultimate Overlanding Trailer at SEMA - Toyota USA Newsroom

Here is something we will NEVER see out of German Brands in an actual auto or even as a crate option. 10.3 Liters of Naturally Aspirated Big Block Power with no Turbo's or anything special running on Pump Gas. @balthazar Should put this in his 59 car! https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gm-crate-engine-zz632-1000-horsepower/ https://www.gmperformancemotor.com/parts/19432060.html They are taking pre-orders now, $29,499.00 PRODUCT DETAILS Chevrolet’s Biggest, Baddest Big-Block Ever! • Tall-deck Sportsman Bowtie block with an all-forged roller assembly • Hydraulic roller camshaft and all-new, high-flow spread-port cylinder heads derived from Pro Stock racing technology • Crank-trigger ignition system with coil-near-plug ignition coils mounted on a unique valley plate • EFI induction system for precise fuel control and stunning output with pump gas • Kit includes pre-programmed, self-learning control system • Due to crate fitment, the throttle body is shipped uninstalled and must be installed by the engine installer • Requires starter, EFI-compatible high-pressure fuel pump and air cleaner compatible with 4500-series (Dominator) mounting flange • Cylinder head exhaust port design requires custom exhaust system • Requires internally balanced flywheel for manual transmission applications • Not intended for marine applications TECH SPECS Part Number: 19432060 Engine Type: Chevy Tall-Deck Big-Block V-8 Displacement (cu in): 632 Bore x Stroke (in / mm): 4.600 x 4.750 Block (P/N 19366599): Cast iron Bowtie with 4-bolt main caps – tall deck Crankshaft (P/N 19366600): Forged 4340 steel Connecting Rods (P/N 19432392): Forged steel H-beam Pistons (P/N 19366601): Forged aluminum 2618 alloy Intake Manifold (P/N 19366614): Aluminum high-rise single-plane Throttle Body (P/N 19366624): 4500-style Fuel Injectors (P/N 19432057): 86-lb/hr Camshaft Type (P/N 19432531): Billet steel hydraulic roller Valve Lift (in): 0.780 intake / 0.782 exhaust Camshaft Duration (@ 0.050 in): 270º intake / 285º exhaust Cylinder Heads (P/N 19431810): Aluminum spread-port; 70cc chambers – RS-X design Valve Size (in): 2.450 intake / 1.800 exhaust, titanium (5/16-in stem OD) Ignition Type: 58X crank-triggered, coil-near-plug Compression Ratio: 12.0:1 (nominal) Rocker Arms (P/N 19431272): Forged aluminum; roller-style Rocker Arm Ratio: 1.8:1 (shaft-mount) Water Pump (P/N 14058915): Aluminum Oil Pan (P/N 19366604): Steel 8-quart Recommended Fuel: Premium pump (93 octane or higher) Maximum Recommended RPM: 7,000 rpm Balanced: Internal

Could it be the new Entry level Corvette as GM moves to EV's? Pricing will for sure be interesting on this compared to an NA C8.

@surreal1272 @Robert Hall Yes @smk4565 goes off the rails on his punch drunk love of Mercedes, but then others do it for other brands and he seems to be a lost soul on F1 racing when his beloved mistress cannot even deliver their fabled AMG One F1 street legal auto and are falling behind in the Hybrid/EV race based on delays and especially current financial reporting that shows the German brands have LOST market share due to the global chip shortage. Loosing market share in China to the Chinese Pirate auto companies hurts and we will see where it ends up. Occasionally @smk4565 makes some decent posts and we are in a Democracy where all can freely speak their mind. Yes his multi-page posts goes off the rails when we should be discussing the topic of the thread. So WHAT DO YOU @surreal1272 @Robert Hall @smk4565 @ccap41 @balthazar @oldshurst442, I so wish I had an @channel or @thread notification of the video showing the C8 Hybrid corvettes? Have to say it should be wicked Fast but a bit quiet for those that are wanting a throaty V8 Snarl.

Hybrid is undergoing testing in Germany, kicking Germans with a world beating Hybrid C8

Yes that is true, but after you just spent $100,000 or more for your Luxury SUV, would you want it majorly disassembled and re-assembled? Not me, give me a complete new one.

So found out the back story on this. A new 2021 Escalade ESV was sold, the frame on the new auto had a major defect. GM is paying the dealership to replace the frame on the auto, a 4 to 6 week job according to my service tech. Hello GM, give them a new Escalade and take the defective one back. I would not want a brand new full Size SUV to be torn down and rebuilt onto a new frame. that is just crazy.

At my local Cadillac dealership, getting an oil change on the Escalade. Seems to have become a once a year thing now that I work from home. Interesting observation for what is one of the largest dealerships in Washington state. ZERO New Escalade's in stock, 2 used. ZERO New XT's in stock. Signage saying pre-orders being taken. 1 New CT4 and 2 New CT5 V editions in stock. A hand full of lower trim CT 4 &5 cars. Interesting is they have a new frame delivered and Waiting to be installed on an Escalade. Why stored upside down I think rather than on the delivery legs?

Wishing you and your family all the best. Stay strong my friend. If you need anything do not hesitate to ask!

I doubt the pool of data was very big as I know way too many people that want full size trucks and SUVs which Tesla does not have. Once the production spigot at Ford, GM and Rivian get going full speed, I doubt Tesla will have this title. Plus if this was so true then why is there like 50 plus Tesla at the local tesla lot by me. They should be out of stock or at least very thin like other dealers.

Empowerment

Yes with the VOLT, the ICE was only a generator is my understanding also. Should have had the power train put into an Equinox size auto. I totally agree with you that the CT-6 PHEV was a big mistake to make and kill off as it was originally for the Chinese market, but everything I have searched on it now seems to show a very positive attitude about the auto. Seems the ct6 lives on in China, PHEV died in 2020! Now they just show the coming Lyriq EV. The Cadillac CT6 Lives On In China And Has Been Updated With Super Cruise | Carscoops GM Won’t Import Cadillac CT6 From China | GM Authority cadillac china website Why is it so hard to understand that the Borla exhaust on the SS is OEM as the SS is a Corvette with a SUV body. As such, the Borla exhaust is the same as found on the Corvette. I am more than willing to have a discussion on it, not a problem stepping out of the bubble. I have gone down the discussion path here before with those that think open pipes is a safety feature for motorcycles and there is not enough research to prove it does or does not help. There is plenty of research that shows the open pipes noise level is way above what is science proven to damage ones hearing, so I go with that.

No aftermarket exhaust, the one on there is what came with the SS from the Factory top be clear and I stand by my observation that the noise of open pipes on motorcycles has not saved lives, but probably caused accidents by startled drivers, pedestrians and bike riders alike. There is a reason for sound decibel laws and the science that has proven how loud can damage your hearing. I find nothing to change that on folks that ignore the science and go with a ear drum damaging open pipe. We agree to disagree.

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Yes an auto roar is very different than ear drum splitting open pipe noise. I still have a very solid muffler with a rumble that you can hear and does not hurt the ears. Overly Loud Open Pipes I have seen more people get freaked out of when a rider fly's by with that noise and you do not get directionality with it in an inner city where the loud noise bounces off the buildings. I have yet to read anything that says open pipes are safer for motorcycle riders.