G. David Felt

Yea, saw this ad last night during the Huskies/Standford football game and my wife turned to me and said " Is Ram not part of the Dodge family?" Even a woman who usually ignores marketing seems to pickup on this poor message.

Well i can see DOHC V8 having better image...but ..what else? What is there i can use in real live that DOHC v8 does better than OHV v8? Is coyote v8 better than LS3? Yes, best DOHC v8 engine is maybe better than best V8 OHv (but i'm still interested to know which are criterias) but how much does best DOHC v8 cost? Does GM has car in which they could put that engine and price it accordingly? Also,just to see which criteria do you consider important (i don't mean to be offensive just curious) here is a list of some DOHC engines..which one do you think is(just the engine not the car) better? And why? 5.0 l v8 TT from koenigsegg agera 4.5 l v8 from Ferrari italia 458 M838 TT from Mclaren 6.5 l v12 (L539) from Lamborghini aventador Synergy V8 AMG M159 AMG M157 Did you not want to state why you think these DOHC engines are better than Pushrod? I do not see any of them being better, unless Google is not showing me the right info, I do not see any of them with better HP/Torque ratio or fuel consumption than what is already being attained out of a Pushrod engine. In most cases, the Pushrod beats these engines.

Natural Power

It is perfectly alright for you to have that opinion. However, to sway anyone you'll need to explain how it is better. And, you'll need to articulate it better than "everyone is using it, therefore it must better" or simply declare that it is so -- that won't do anything but make your case sound kinda silly. You'll notice that I do not simply say that Pushrod engines are more fuel efficient. I explain why are. I don't simply say that they are lighter and smaller, I show you the weights and the photos. I don't simply make a declaration, I support my positions with facts. You are free to challenge my reasonings or facts. Let's start with one advantage of the DOHC setup -- any one -- and why you feel that it is important. Do that and I am sure everyone can have a meaningful discussion. Only Advantage I can think of in regards to a DOHC v12 engine is the Italians use them in their 1% crowd auto's to save space and due to over all weight issues. Yet I am not impressed with these High revving High Horsepower and Little bit of Torque Engines. DOHC reminds me of being the worlds biggest Body Builder with the littlest pecker and not able to really populate the world with Quality people.

Riiiight... How about all the Crown Vic taxis, etc w/ hundreds of thousands of miles or the Merc Taxis in Europe w/ hundreds of thousands of miles? Or Ford F-series trucks from the last 15 years? Those are all OHC engines... Mercedes Cabs (when not diesel), Crown Vics and F-150s are SOHC not DOHC. So? Still OHC. SOHC or DOHC are equivalent for this discussion which is OHC vs pushrod. And Merc diesels are OHC, aren't they? Bottom line, 99% of the worlds' automakers long ago moved on from pushrod to OHC engines...GM has for everything except V8s. What's holding them back? inertia? stubbornness? myopia? Can't use the truck excuse as Ford has built a hell of a lot of OHC trucks over the last 15 years. It's interesting how people keep defending an obsolete approach when the world clearly has moved on. It's all a moot point, though, because the future is clearly 1.4L 4 cyls... Lets look at the average life of a Ford Engine. Especially non V8 OHC/DOHC and Ford has a dismal record. They might have sold the blue color working world that they have a great truck, but so far from the plastic interiors to the lack of quality in how their trucks last that I have seen here in the NW, Ford does not cut it yet. Rusty, noisy plastic bucket of bolts. Not to mention not sure which is worse, the noisy smelly Powerstroke or Cummins. But the Duramax kicks them all cleanly and clearly.

Fusion engine lineup as follows (all of them fours): 2.5L - 175 HP, 175 lb-ft 1.6L EcoBoost - 178 HP, 184 lb-ft 2.0L EcoBoost - 240 HP, 270 lb-ft All come with automatics, 1.6L is the only one with a six-speed manual. + Hybrid Plus unlike most asian or euro engines, Fords at least have Torque equal to the HP or greater to make the auto's move. I personally think the American Auto Industry is going into another golden age of excellent Engineering. Just need to make sure Marketing gets the message out. Deal killer for me and my family, if you cannot get at least 4 6'6" tall people in the car comfy, it will not fly.

Looking at the pictures you posted, it would seem it would make a solid commuter car or as you pointed out Olds a good Airport Run Exec car. Over all I get this bland simplistic look when I look at the interior photo's. I would pass on this as I do on anything Asian made due to being too small for me. I know you cannot get 4 6'6" tall adults in this car.

Having owned a Northstar caddy, I still prefer a push rod V8. Anyone who needs to pull anything will know this is the only type of V8 to have and those that really want power/performance also knows the Push Rod V8 is superior to the DOHC V8 or anything else. You can drink the cool aid all you want on how Superior DOHC engines are in the Asian, Italian, euro cars and yet when it comes down to real numbers and long life, I have yet to see DOHC last the years of real use that Push Rods do.

Yeah, he's going to have to find something very old and very basic...maybe a Model A or something from the 50s. Ugh. Or something really old-school like this: Can't get much better than the Flinston Mobil!

Yes with higher prices and less features. steel your money with blah design.

True, but then for 15K I would expect an integrated Instrument cluster. This one looks like it will easily break off if a person hit it just right with their hand.

Nothing really blew me away but I will say I liked the look of the Bentley race car. The porsche station wagon is just blah, auto makers have been there and done that.

DOHC is older technology than OHV pushrod, so your theory fails. Furthermore, by being able to have larger displacement due to the packaging of the engine, pushrod engines can give you more torque at lower RPM, meaning they don't need to rev to 7,000rpm to move the car. The Buick Roadmaster V8 and Honda S2000 both have 240 horsepower, but in the same car, the LT-1 V8 would kick the Honda's ass because it also had 360 ft-lbs of torque while the Honda can barely manage 180 ft-lb. I agree that due to Marketing, people are all caught up in the DOHC V8, V6 or 4 bangers and yet other than horsepower, they suck always on the torque front and that is what is really needed in efficient small auto's. You need a car that can be moved around really well, not a rocket from red light to red light. I can see GM winning with a 140hp/250lbs of torque 4 banger push rod engine. I truly believe they can build a more efficient version than depending on the DOHC crud. lol, I drive with 140hp/255lbs now... but I use 8 bangs to get it. Those are 8 very respectable Bangs!

The interior just does not impress me. Looks Cheap and an afterthought.

Compressed Natural Gas

I feel for you my friend. Hang in there, things will get better. We just need to get through this stupid political BS season and hopefully people will vote on the right person to do the job rather than toe a party line as both sides have failed to really take home the important message of rebuilding America while controlling costs. Do we really need to be the world police with 1081 military bases and 500 covert black op bases paying 1.5 trillion in rent to countries that do not like us? If we closed down just half of the bases and spent that money on rebuilding our roads, electrical grid to be redundant and clean water plus invested in our public schools to have smaller class size so the student can have teacher time to really learn we would be strong and much better off. No this does not make us isolationist but allows us to invest in making our country stronger. We all are feeling the pain, but until people get their personal debt under control, we will have stagnant growth. Even the rich are holding off on spending money other than for essentials.

Truly reminds me of the early days of SciFi shows.

DOHC is older technology than OHV pushrod, so your theory fails. Furthermore, by being able to have larger displacement due to the packaging of the engine, pushrod engines can give you more torque at lower RPM, meaning they don't need to rev to 7,000rpm to move the car. The Buick Roadmaster V8 and Honda S2000 both have 240 horsepower, but in the same car, the LT-1 V8 would kick the Honda's ass because it also had 360 ft-lbs of torque while the Honda can barely manage 180 ft-lb. I agree that due to Marketing, people are all caught up in the DOHC V8, V6 or 4 bangers and yet other than horsepower, they suck always on the torque front and that is what is really needed in efficient small auto's. You need a car that can be moved around really well, not a rocket from red light to red light. I can see GM winning with a 140hp/250lbs of torque 4 banger push rod engine. I truly believe they can build a more efficient version than depending on the DOHC crud.

+1, this is only good for parting out. Trash car. Should not even be allowed to be sold as a drivable auto as it will kill someone.

WHO CARES, a car for the 1% crowd and over rated as it is not a car for road trips, just showing off and commuter. It will never be for the masses and not have any real affect on society. If they want to have a big affect and make money, then license their supposed 300 mile electric technology to the big auto companies to get it to the masses.

I agree, any hood ornament inspired by pin up girls is always cool!

Would be fun to have with a modern engine under the hood.

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Probably the best looking version of the forester from these pictures. Still a station wagon and still seems small to me. The Subaru crowd will like it though.