BrewSwillis

I don't think Americans are prepared to pay high enough prices for cars like the Caliber that have Navigation. I bet they will offer it in Europe, like Mazda does with the 3. Some cars in this class are considered premium vehicles in Europe, and the people are willing to pay higher prices for stuff like navigation. Don't expect to see it in Caliber in the US though.

No. Bland? ...or Bold?

They did:

A Daytona Charger is not an SRT-8 ....a Daytona is an upgraded R/T : Daytona SRT-8

Karl Hungus rules!!

No doubt this will save Toyoduh money, but it will create one engine that will have to work in all truck and car applications. There will be compromise......like trucks with low torque? Now I don't know if GM really needs 6 V6's, but they have low cost V6's and high cost V6's.....and they go into appropriately priced vehicles. Toyoduh customers will either be forced to pay more for and engine they don't need, or get less of an engine in a higher priced Lexus. Who would have expected that Toyoduh would have widdled their V6 engine choices down to one??

S4 is classified as a "compact" car.......the Charger is classified as a "large" car. And yet the the S4 still costs $3K more! Who pays $46K for a compact car? That interior better be made out of baby seal skin or something. I'd would have to say that the S4 is overpriced at $46K for a compact car. It should have much more size and room for $46K! :AH-HA_wink:

Creed huh? Maybe this guy is Scott Stapp.....and he's just drunk again?

So if it's "overpriced"....that must mean there is something else out there that is not "overpriced" for you to compare it to. So........for the grand prize: What is the appropriately priced 425 HP sedan that has the same features, and costs less than $42, 250 (or even $44K)???? I'll do Audi for you: 2006 S4 (which is much smaller) with 340 HP (85 less HP) costs $46,400 base 2006 A6 4.2L 335 HP (90 less HP) costs $53,770 base

A 4200 lb 300C SRT-8 handles better than a GTO, if you read the specs on the article that I posted.

Nice random quote asshole! Where is the evidence to back this up?? I guess Toyota Tundra's don't have problems. How come this "anal-ist" has "recurring glitches" with his 2 GMC pickups, and yet he hasn't switched over to the almghty Toyota??.....because he knows that they are not any better!

I don't know what magazines or tests you guys read, but the GTO can't even beat the 300C SRT-8. I know there is a more current Motor Trend test with the Charger SRT-8 vs the GTO, but I can't find it on the MT site. However, I did find a February 2005 test between the GTO, 300C SRT-8, and the CTS-V. The portly (425 lbs more) 300C SRT-8 beats the GTO in almost every performance test they performed: 0-60 1/4 mile Braking Slalom and Skidpad The GTO won the figure 8 test, by only 0.2 sec. The lighter GTO coupe should be ashamed of itself that a bloated brick of a car outperforms it in almost every aspect of performance testing! http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/...son/index7.html

Depends what you are using it for. Hauling kids around??? Id say the Charger SRT-8. Racing on a track?? Probably the GTO with the stick. Who really cares if the 6-speaker system is standard? If you do care, then you can spend the extra money to get the 11 speaker Kicker system......and if you don't care, then save money by keeping the base system. The GTO has no options because they just import fully optioned ones from OZ. Where's the GTO's Nav system?? Again GTO vs Charger SRT-8 = Apples to Oranges.

I, for one, am looking forward to serving our new Japanese overlords!!

The Assera looks like a very bad Chinese copy of a modern Buick: The fender flares do look very out of place!

Well, DCX has almost exactly TWICE as many choices as Toyota does for every class of vehicle they compete in.....except for the couple Lexus clones of other Toyota vehicles. But nobody (I) ever said anything about DCX. I was talking about GM offering choices.....which I fully support. Toyota obviously supports the cheapening down of products so that every one will fit into exactly ONE model choice. I cannot support that coming from a free society based on choices. Not only is Toyota destroying our economy....they are also trying to take away our FREEDOM!! I love going overbaord when ragging on Toyoda!!

The GTO has NO AVAILABLE: - Side air bags - Heated seats - Moonroof - Navigation - Larger than 18" wheels How can this have more/better "interior accruments and equipment" than the Charger. The Charger has everything the GTO has and much more!

I don't know where you are looking, but the 6-speaker Boston Acoustics system is standard on the SRT-8, with options for an 11-speaker Kicker sytem with a Kicker subwoofer, or the 6-speaker BA system with the Nav radio. It's as simple as looking at the website to find this out.

Whoa whoa......hold up. First of all, the Daytona version has nothing to do with the SRT-8. The Daytona version has the Go ManGo paint job with the stickers. The Daytona is just an R/T with special paint, stickers, wing, grille, seats, interior upgrades, and the Road and Track (suspension/exhaust/brakes) package. And I don't know where that dealer came up with $44K for the SRT-8......because I just priced one on the website completely loaded, even with the extra available accessories.....and I could only get the sticker up to $42,245. The SRT-8 has many modifications beyond the R/T and Daytona models. But what kind of car should it be compared to? A GTO.....which is a smaller, foreign platform (lower cost because they make a bunch of these in OZ), coupe? A Corvette......which is a high performance all out sports car 2-seater? A Cadillac STS-v....a CTS-V? An M5? I don't know if there is anything out there that it directly compares with. What other 425 HP 4-door vehicle can you get for $38K moderatly optioned, or for $42K fully optioned.....that will hold your whole family comfortably and get you from 0-60 mph in about 5 seconds? The CTS-V has 400 HP, does 0-60 in about 5 seconds, and bases for $12K more. But then I would argue that the more expensive 300C SRT-8 would go up against the CTS-V. So again......what other large 4-door sedan can you get with 424 HP, for $38K, or even $42K?? For $42K you get the SRT-8 with a moonroof, heated seats, DVD Navgation, U-Connect, 6-speaker Boston Acoustic sound systen with amplifier, and side air bags. You won't find anything from Ford, GM, or any of the Asians.

Or as some people in a free society would call it choice! When has it become admirable to only have a few choices? I love how Toyotites brag about only having a few model choices!

Well, the 2.4L version will have 172 HP and 165 lb-ft of torque.....so I guess it wins in HP. Mileage for that engine is estimated at 25/31.

If I had Photoshop at work, I'd put some wheels on it.....but you get the idea:

O.K., it seems right on par with all those too!

With it's size and supercharged engine it really only competes directly with the MINI Cooper S(upercharged)......and the MINI only has 168 HP. Scions only have 103 HP.