Chazman

I wouldn't expect them to design an all new V8, but the Gen5 smallblock will - sooner or later - be released.

And why couldn't we have that? In a package 12-15% lighter than the 5th gen, with say 20% less displacement, and lots more technology than the Gen IV smallblock. Why couldn't such a Z/28 get 30 (+) mpg?

I'd be willing to give up a V6 in the line-up in order to retain a V8. As was mentioned earlier, the V6's don't really get that noteworthy MPG anyway. I'd take a 4 and turbo 4 line-up, if it meant more breathing space for an optional smallblock. Maybe a NA GDI 2.3L and a turbo 2.0L. I think the very efficient Family 0 1.4L turbo 4 might be alittle too weak though.

I questioned the two designers of the Denali pretty heavily at the Chicago show about the 4.9. My impressions were that it was essentially vaporware. A more fuel friendly 'number' on the press release than say, 6.2L. But it does let us know that GM is at least thinking different displacements for the Gen 5 smallblock.

From a marketing perspective, Camaro always benchmarks Mustang closely. If the next gen Mustang has a V8, Chevy will be under lots of pressure to follow suit. If Camaro's base models are equipped with I4 or turbo I4's getting 35 mpg, from a smaller, lighter Camaro - I can also imagine this smaller lighter Camaro getting over 30 mpg with a Gen 5 smallblock of around 5.0L.

Sorry mods about the triple post. I was trying to post a poll but somehow screwed it up.

If an Alpha Camaro came without a V8 option, would that be acceptable? Personally, I think what GM does, depends alot on what Ford does with it's next gen Mustang in '13/'14.

In that scenario, what would happen to the freestanding Saturn dealerships? Would they be converted to freestanding Opel dealers?

And what are those specific goals?

1989. Probably one of the last cars off the assembly line with the IROC-Z/Z28 steering wheel.

Thanks! Probably around 3350 pounds. It's a G92 LB9/T5/BW 3.45 combo which you could only get with a hardtop - which is what wanted anyway. It also has N10 dual cats and decal delete. I had to wait a while for those dual cats due to certification issues. And the decal delete was an option no one even heard of, even the dealer. I've got about 10,500 miles on it.

http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mypictures081ly8.jpg I am the original owner of this car. Under the mint black factory paint, I have identified various panels which have a coat of blue paint on them - under the black.

This car is certainly nothing that you'd want to put toe to toe with an S-class or 7 series. It appeals to a different niche than those cars do - nothing wrong with that. The DTS is a car which the traditional Cadillac (or even Lincoln for that matter), buyer can appreciate, and in fact, even call the best car they've ever owned.

As Croc mentioned, not at all. The chassis tuning has just the right balance between firmness and compliance.

Well, it was Caddy's top selling car last year. Sales have slipped this year though.

...I loved it! Yup, you heard right. Okay, it's no CTS or 5 series, and it's architecturally pretty old, but if you're looking for a roomy, comfortable and relaxing car to drive, with a really nice interior, this is the car. These are the wheels to take if you're driving cross-country. The interior is really, really nice, I think. Tastefully done, nice materials, very attractive design. Great stereo too and very comfortable seats. The ride is very smooth but not numb, if you know what I mean. Perfectly tuned for the kind of car it is. And you know, it handles pretty good too. Well, if you take down some twisties at 10/10ths (oh yes I did ) the all-season tires protest and squeal abit and the front starts understeering. Actually, it's kind of fun modulating that understeer with the throttle and brakes and pushing through it. I mean, it's almost tossable in a big honkin' Cadillac sort of way. The brakes BTW are great. I love the powertrain. The Northstar smoothly provides more than ample power to move this Caddy around with authority and the exhaust note is intoxicating. And the 4 speed trans it's mated to, works absolutely flawlessly. Rumor has it that the DI 3.6 will be replacing the Northstar in the DTS soon. Big mistake if you ask me. Eventhough the 3.6 will produce more power, it's no match for the Northstar's torque or smoothness. You know, I kinda hated to turn it in....

Off the top of my head, TOTAL 2002 F-car production was around 35K. The numbers being thrown around as Camaro's sales goal have always been in the 100,000 range. I hope it sells. But as one of the "faithful" who has waited years for this car - all I can say is that this iteration is not for me.

Sure, lots of people loved the proportions and stance of the CONCEPT, includung me. The question is, how many people will dig down into their pockets and actually buy the PRODUCTION version.

Well,it's certainly the only Camaro we're gonna get. For the times though? I just can't see it being very successful. And I think in their heart of hearts, GM might knows that too. I just hope work starts soon on a replacement - more right for the times. Or we can kiss the Camaro brand goodbye.

Alpha Camaro still on? PM me if you want.

I agree. Even if it would have delayed it's intro by a year or two.

Oh BTW, I just got back from Indy yesterday, and got to see the production intent Camaro and listen to the Camaro Team's presentations. I got the feeling that this team really made the effort to make this car the best that they could, given what they were required to start with - which was a large, two ton, sedan architecture. This car could have been a grand slam if GM would have given them a more appropriate architecture for it...

Where'd you see that, if you don't mind me asking?

Cadillac is a critical bookend in the GM portfolio. The other bookend is Chevy.

Me neither. I think t would actually look more agressive and sportier if you could stretch that sheetmetal over smaller, sportier bones (Alpha), rather than the large sedan substructure (like high cowl for example) like Zeta.