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  1. Yeah, size-wise but not segment-wise. It would not have been as premium as the 7/S. It would have been priced in the $40-$55K range.
  2. I agree that Alpha should be Caddy's number one priority right now. But just so you know, the DTS replacement was not envisioned as a 7/S competitor, it would have filled the same segment as the current DTS.
  3. It's gonna be tough, no doubt about it. Who the heck knows, maybe t he Caddy Zeta got axed to pay for some Alpha developement work.
  4. Big time....
  5. Hopefully work will start again on Alpha, (currently on a 6 month hold), and that'll pump some excitement into Caddy's product line circa '12. If I were a GM beancounter though, I'd be looking at the the Zeta/Camaro/Oshawa business plan about now and getting nauseous.
  6. GMI is reporting that the DTS replacement, Zeta Caddy, is dead. That would leave only Camaro, precariously on Zeta.
  7. Alpha, sure. But is there enough support for an Alpha Camaro?
  8. Okay, I can see the logic of why a "car guy" may want a 2 ton Camaro, on a very lonely, underused, assembly line dead. The question is, does this "car guy" want to see new and more appropriate Camaro developed?
  9. http://www.superchevy.com/features/camaro/...tion/index.html Death of the New Z28 Camaro writer: Jim Campisano photographer: Jim Campisano No sooner did our news story come out about the supercharged 2010 Camaro Z28 in the August Super Chevy ("Bow Tie Briefs") that we got a call from a panic-stricken source at General Motors. "The Z28 is dead. Call me back," the message stated. A little history: In said news article we talked about the late-2010 introduction of the top-of-the-performance-ladder Camaro named Z28. The base V-8 Camaro would be the SS with a 400-plus-horsepower LS3, but for those who wanted to go hunting for Shelby GT500 and GT500KR Mustangs, there was the Z28, which we heard would have a 500-550-horse version of the CTS-V supercharged LS engine. Now we have more information on it: The engine was a supercharged 6.2-liter LSA and it made 550-horsepower. Transmission choices were to be a 6-speed automatic or 6-speed manual. It had a bigger, beefier independent rear suspension to handle the massive quantities of torque and horses. During durability testing in Arizona this year, the car made 200 dragstrip passes, the slowest of which was a 12.40. Most of them were in the 12.0 range. The plan was to produce 5,000 of them annually--less than what Ford sells of its blown Mustangs. And now the Z28 is supposedly dead, the victim of political correctness, rising fuel costs and economic pressures. All this happened in the last two weeks. It seems some people at GM think it's not the right time to introduce a 4,000-pound, 550-horse supercar that doesn't get 40 mpg. Worse, we hear one executive hates the Camaro so much that he'll sign its death warrant after the first year if the car fails to sell 80,000 units (essentially, the car's break-even number). Originally, there was a $25-million dollar development budget for the Z28, which was made into a $12 million program--no worries. Just de-content the car (less body kit fluff, fewer bells and whistles). While this might seem like a lot of money, in automotive development costs it's nothing, the proverbial drop in the bucket. It's less than some of the empty suits at GM get for their annual bonus. There's no question GM is in dire straits. Fuel costs are rising, the stock price is in the toilet and the company's hemorrhaging red ink. Truck sales are dead and so are the high profit margins that come with them. They are afraid the Z28 might hurt its corporate image further in these "green" times. But the way to battle back isn't killing the cars that people want to buy because the tree-huggers might whine. They're going to whine anyway. Besides, none of them buy Chevys or any other GM product, so who cares? When was the last time you saw a commercial for a Cobalt, an Aveo or other high-fuel economy product? All I see here is commercials for the Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit and other Japanese brands. Chevy's ad agency, we're told, broke the potential Camaro customer down to three segments: 1. Those who want a V-8. 2. Those who want more excitement in their drive and will get the V-6. 3. People who want a car that "shocks their social network, like Nissan 350Z buyers." Nissan 350Z? "I didn't once in their report see how they would pull on the car's legacy, like Ford has done with the Mustang," said our source. "They don't know there's a whole market for people who want a weekend car like the Z28 and don't care that it gets 15-20 mpg." It's time to shock these people into reality. We need to band together and save the Z28, and in doing so, we might just be saving the Camaro. We want to be able to buy a supercharged Camaro. We want to keep the legacy of Chevrolet high performance alive in a new modern automobile. We think 15-20 mpg is great and absolutely palatable compared to our 5-8 mpg hot rods. Most of all, we want to buy a Chevy Camaro, not a Ford Mustang or a Dodge Challenger. Don't force us to defect to other camps. We did hear from another source at GM that the Z28 is not dead. He said that "every program is on the table, but, frankly, it's premature to post an obituary." He noted that the Z28 could simply be delayed six months. Let's hope. Once upon a time, in the late 1980s, the Mustang was going to be converted to a front-wheel-drive car. There were prototypes running around with Mustang badges on them. There was enough of an outrage from enthusiasts and friends of the car that Ford reconsidered and kept the Mustang rear wheel drive in 1994. (The front-drive car eventually became the Ford Probe.) Please e-mail me at [email protected], put "Save The Z28" is the subject line. I'll forward all your e-mails to the appropriate people at General Motors. Together we can save this car. But we have to act quickly. There's no time to waste.
  10. How viable is Camaro all alone on that big assembly line?
  11. Oh Daewoo. If we're going to have a domestic Opel brand anyway, I'd rather see Saturn killed and Pontiac become that division. Pontiac as a brand is gravely damaged, but still has some heritage which could be revived. Saturn OTOH, is and has always been an empty suit.
  12. I mean regarding the Torana.
  13. There is more speculation than substance in that story.
  14. Yeah, I was told the same thing, perhaps even by the same person. I hope it sells very well. But it's looking more and more like a car that I won't personally buy. And that saddens me, because it's a car I've been looking forward to buying for a long time.
  15. Maybe that's the problem. I was hoping for about 500 pounds less for my money.
  16. Well, I think that you are ageeing with me? No? Anyway, I'm agreeing with PCS on this one. If you want a 5th gen, buy it soon. Personally, eventhough I've ben waiting a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time to buy a new Camaro, I can't stomach a 2 ton version. In fact, at that weight, I consider it obscene. But I hope you buy one, and hope everyone else who wants one, buys one too.
  17. Honestly, I just don't see the 5th gen lasting that long. It's just too overweight and will probably be CAFE negative very early into it's product cycle. Even if they end up going with an available Ecotec.
  18. I think at least one or two Alphas are quite abit further along than that.
  19. Oh, I hear ya. But a 4100 pound car, doesn't much sound like a Camaro to me either.
  20. I think that part is still being debated. Give me a tidy, 3500 lbs Z/28 ,with a 400-ish hp, 5.0L Gen V or Gen VI smallblock - and I'll be happy. You don't need supercharged, gas swilling, big motors, when you don't have 4100 pounds to move around.
  21. I'm sure it will too. After that though......
  22. Yeah, it's a ways out. 3 or 4 years at the earliest. The only definitive part is that they are talking.
  23. I depends on what you mean by plans. For the first time in maybe three decades, a Camaro appropriate architecture is being developed and defined. Simultaneously, GM knows that the 5th gen needs to be replaced ASAP. Hardly ever do the planets line up like that for Camaro.
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