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Go on any Bonneville of Aurora forum and there are literally hundreds if not thousands of posts about rear window regulators. These cars are G-bodies, and GM forgot to beef up the regulators so over time the nylon degrades and you hit a big enough bump and whoops, your window falls open and can't get up. It happens on the Aurora because there are no rear quarter windows (rear windows only open about 45% of the way down since there's no room in the doors for this massive piece of glass), and while the Bonneville has rear quarters, its beltline is a bit lower than the Aurora's so the greenhouse is taller despite having pretty much the exact same roofline. vs.

If you like the Bonnie but want a nice interior, get an Aurora. They're in your price range, on the low end, and I'm always asked what kind of Lexus it is when people see the interior. They handle great. There are a lot of little thoughtful details in it, to the extent that I learned something new and cool about it almost every day for the first year. Trade-offs: 3.5 has better weight distribution, and the gas tank has 1 more gallon of capacity vs. the 4.0. The 4.0 compensates for the added weight of the V8 by reducing the fuel tank a gallon and adding an aluminum rear decklid. The 6 has fantastic power; I highly doubt you'd miss the 8. I got the 6. HOWEVER...the transmission with the 3.5 is a known weak point with solenoids and throttle position sensors that commonly go bad. I've been lucky, but repairs could be expensive. Both models: like the Bonneville, rear window regulators are an issue because those rear windows are large and expansive, and thus the regulators are prone to failure due to the weight of the glass. I've had to replace one, but it wasn't too bad. Check out the Aurora Club of North America for more information on things, but I want to leave you with my verdict: I LOVE MY CAR, I DON'T WANT TO EVER GET RID OF IT!! It is a VERY satisfying car to drive. Just do your due diligence and make sure you get a good one. They seem to be either problem-free or a complete money pit, nothing in-between. But I got a good one and I love it!

...I can't help you dude

Bonnies, or all G-bodies? My Aurora doesn't have that problem. Riffing off of reg's post...what about a SECOND gen Catera? You know, 2000-2002? AFTER they got all the bugs fixed and changed out the taillights?

Really? The only thing I was aware of with the last-gen Bonnies were the rear window regulators.

Agreed. I'm just not feeling the "Black Diamond" moniker. See, I liked the V-series because Cadillac crests were often accented by a big wide V when the wreath was not present. I'd rather see something playing off of Cadillac heritage more, but that pretty much leaves the Merlettes (uhhh...no, just no) and the crown.

Chrysler Crossfire.was always a looker. Bigger question: prestige for whom? By that I mean, whom are you trying to impress? Prestige means a lot of different things to different people...for some it's an Impala SS or Fleetwood Brougham circa 1996, for others it's a 3-series, still others won't settle for anything less than an S-Class, etc. If you want advice on a status symbol purchase, we need to know what group you're trying to impress.

I didn't really expect it to have been, but that interior is really not befitting the price. And I harp on this out of love--I want the CTS Coupe to be my next car.

...but did the cheap plastic and rear console get addressed?? I mean this is nice and all, but those other things are what need to be addressed, not the addition of a new fancy paint color/interior combo. ETA: the article seems unclear--is "Black Diamond" intended to be a new sub-brand? Platinum, V-Series, Black Diamond? Too much...and diminishes the V-Series IMO.

No I was just asking if there was a reason everyone here capitalizes it. Can't say I really see it anywhere else on the internet, and unless it stands for something, it shouldn't be typed like an acronym. But no, I was actually asking legitimately what NAV stood for because this is GM we're talking about and they love their acronyms...CHMSL anyone? ...and -2 for asking a question? Jesus Christ...

Can someone help me understand what the NAV acronym stands for? If it just means "nav" then why the capitalization?

Thank you.

The one interior element that I and everyone else who has driven my car wishes would make a comeback is the center stack canted toward the driver. The Aurora and Bonneville aced that one, and it makes for superb ergonomics.

He should have just shot at maps of their districts.

..."strong enough"?? Yea somehow I don't think the strength or materials of the can itself has anything to do with a "flame arrestor" or this lawsuit.

Bingo.

I don't disagree, but that's not what this is about.

The article clearly stated that the gasoline ignited and the ignition followed the gas/vapors INTO the gas can. The can eventually exploded, covering the boy with burning gasoline. The lawsuit is over whether or not a "flame arrestor" that would have prevented flames from entering the can should have been part of the can design.

Exactly. Basically, the plaintiffs need to prove that the absence of a "flame arrestor" renders this product dangerously defective.

Again, that's not what the lawsuit is about.

Guys, READING COMPREHENSION. I don't get why you're so hung up on the 6-year-old's age here...that fact isn't relevant at all to the allegations of the lawsuit. The suit is over a defective and unsafe design, one which allegedly could potentially explode whether being used by a 6-year-old or a 66-year-old. If the gas can design is defective and its contents can explode/injure someone, that has nothing to do with the age of the victim. The article even mentions other reports of similar accidents with much older victims. So...who cares? I love a good white trash pile-on as much as anyone, but this is ridiculous.

1) I really like the newer review format with the headings and soft-colored heading bars. Good upgrade. 2) What do you think about the overall package given that it's essentially 4 years old? Is it lipstick on a pig, or does it lengthen the life of the product? 3) How does it compare to its competition...external competition?

Sounds like spyware.

I'm definitely a bio child.

Yes, many summers ago you asked us what we thought about this offer you got to pay $XXXXX to be taught how to live like a model...to eventually do modeling? Who the hell knows, but we all thought it was a huge scam.