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Speaking of trailers, last week, I saw a polished Airstream trailer, with LED tailllights!! I guess they're back to selling them (or never left). I just found seeing one funny since that rounded "streamlined" shape is very 40s or 50s, whenever that look came about.

I take it the drivers of those cars are all Flames season ticket holders?

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Or conversely, how about an Astra coupe (meaning the current Cobalt/G5 with an Astra front end, not the old Astra coupe that actually came out the factory) ETA: For my own idea, I was looking at the Monte Carlo (the final generation) and thought it would make a nice droptop (since there are currently a billion of them out there, and no one would miss one being cut up)

This morning alone: -59 El Camino -green and black Caprice wagon, lowered -A Z gathering, mostly 240-260Zs -old U-Boat Cougar -last of the DEW Cougars -some prewar car, I don't know make to model too well.

This is what i'd like to see. Merge off all the weak and unmarketable brands. Hopefully Brilliance is one left over when the smoke clears, LOL

So have any who answered here actually E-mailed the man yet? Would be nice to see some C&Gers written about in a major newspaper. Attract some new posters too.

I was looking for a post about the show the night I watched it. Can the title be changed to reflect it being about the show?

That's only fashionable to do with American brands*, you know that!! *and sometimes Mitsubishi

Alliances I could see working between Detroit and Renault-Nissan would be not in actual products, but in plant capacity. Whatever becomes redundant can be leased or sold to other companies instead of them building brand new facilities.

Excellent breakdown....put things I never considered in ways I never considered.

Tell the truth to shame the devil why don'tcha? I'm all for it, but I have a clammy feeling they may choose to go with this ridiculous LWB Camry idea I've heard rumored.

I don't think Renault-Nissan should waste itself with any American car company. All three are too large for anything they do to really add to the automotive landscape or benefit any party involved. It would be lost in the sauce of way too many models being a wash IMO.

How many normal Fieros will be left if companies keep kitting them all?

I'm sure Smarts require adjustment for an American public used to more long legged cars.

I must defend the 80s....since I grew up in them. Now there were cars that simply missed the boat: 6000 and Century. Cougar and the box-Foxes before them. The second Tempo and Topaz. The notchback Citation. Anything with rear-wheel spats on it. Aries and Reliant. The deVille and Fleetwood before the 89 lengthening. The last B-body Delta 88/LeSabre. 82 Sentra, 84 Corolla sedan, Mitsubishi Cordia and Tredia. Yeah, when thought on, that list can get pretty long, and that's just new-for-the 80s cars. But that list wasn't as easy as what comes up for the stuff I consider handsome: GM's A (excepting above), E (as of 86), F, G, H, J, and W-bodies. Corvette. Fox LTD/Marquis. Thunderbird. Both Supras. Corolla coupe. Celica. Chrysler M-bodies (even the 5th Ave.). Imperial. RX-7. Z. The second and third Maxima. Lancer. Volvo 700 cars. Starion (esp. after the widebody fenders came). Fiero. 944. Legend and Integra. The second Pulsar. Prelude. 86 Accord. Golf, Jetta, and Scirocco. So much more beyond that I would enjoy owning and not have to apologize for. But these are MY tastes.

Another Challenger this morning in Santa Monica (black SRT8 to be exact) Which reminded me that on Saturday I actually saw someone driving a damn Ram SRT10 truck. Have you ever seen the EPA gas mileage on that thing? 9/12. There's Lamborghini and musclecar drivers out there that wish they had a shotgun to blow that thing off the road with.

You'd think Russia with all its oil cash would bother to pave that beast. And this guy will pick boxers instead of daduntdaduns next time: On a side note, that van seems kinda cool. You know what? All that land to exploit, they should pave an autobahn and open it for automotive tourists (no commuters). LOL@ the irony of "Russian-Georgian 'Military' Mountain Roads" being #3 on the list. How this house got built is beyond me: Anyways, one would be an idiot to travel up and down that Bolivian mountain. I thought what I saw in Yosemite National Park and near Hoover Dam was difficult.

My point in starting this thread was to identify the stuff that was worth a look at playing with after the posers, hosers, and people who value cigarettes, cheese puffs and cheap beverages from Walmart get through with them. It might be a pre-'95 premium that goes for about $3K, or it might be a LeBaron or Datsun or even one of those body-on-frame tanks on tires some of you worship. And they would be obtainable because they're more than likely all roughed up...so you wouldn't feel too bad about doing whatver the heck you want with it in any direction versus something brand new or overly coveted/loaded with a certain expectation. And in all honesty, with no disrespect meant to anyone, I considered the thread done once a few among us with extreme biases started whining too much for it to be fun anymore.

Then again, I can't think of any. None that C&G's taste Nazis would appreciate anyway. There was this company that would advertise in the duPont Registry capable of making a convertible out of just about any coupe or sedan. I've moved on from caring to do that to any car in particular, however.

I'd focus more on engine swaps or doing bolt-on projects, stuff that seems to naturally lend to the host car, more so than such sacrilege as converting fronties to rear-drive or putting the exterior under the knife. I'll post my examples later on.

Not even the Canadians? Because otherwise it's not gonna happen. American money alone can't start (back) up a car company IMO. Dollars will be focused anywhere but. Yuan, however, would genuinely be interested. But don't burn your smileys up anymore than you have to. The political jingoists and fundie purists will never have it anyway. So Packard and Studebaker will die or stay dead for good. Minds simply aren't open enough to do what it really takes.

Manta came before the T-car's time and was always Ascona-based. Kadett was a segment below.

The way Mantas were styled, I wouldn't go that far.

Not so much with the Manta however, IMO. But while we're at it, was Manta a Capri rival?