Genesis News: Genesis debuts a Long Wheelbase G90 Black Edition

[G. David Felt]

The G90 Black edition in long wheelbase did not come about by the normal approach of someone saying they wanted a black auto, as an all-black trim is nothing new in today's evolving auto industry. To understand the passion that went into this top-of-the-line executive trim G90 Long Wheelbase edition, you have to first look at the team that has brought about the ultimate Black Edition.

Genesis turned to an all-woman trio in asking them to build the ultimate luxury Black Edition in the auto industry that would successfully set itself apart in the auto industry.

 

BLACK is the origin for everything in reflecting on what the color would mean for the brand. The ladies felt that both Genesis and black symbolize creation, and particularly a focus on essence. By blacking out all exterior and interior elements, we are showcasing the pinnacle of our brand identity, “Athletic Elegance.”

The next step was to review how the competition approached black and how Genesis would approach it. The trio of ladies noticed that everyone had a flexibility in offering shades of black both externally and internally allowing one to find differences on each auto.  In contrast, every element of a Genesis Black model, big or small, is uniformly black. Just pure black. This creates a harmonious blend that underscores black’s elegance. 

The final attention to detail was not just the Crest Grille, wheels, emblem, wood garnishes and doorsteps, but even the tiny buttons and switches were all developed as Genesis Black-exclusive details that required changes in their manufacturing methods. Even the Bang & Olufson logos on the speakers were made in a darker shade. 

Working with wood, leather, various metals, required endless rounds of sampling to create the ultimate natural mix of black, ensuring every inch would have a luxury feel while matching the surrounding elements. This is shown in the attention to detail that shows from the dash to the seats, including the back seats.

The Black Edition team had to considering how each vehicle contains tens of thousands of parts, changing just one — even its color — prompts a chain of questions they had to investigate and think through, like how they will affect operations on the factory line. 

Sustainability was an important part of how they would use materials and as such recycled materials to better ways to tan leathers or stain natural woods were researched.

As such the Black Edition had driven sales as even more favored among customers as shown by sales figures. The goal was to have customers take pride in owning a Genesis Black Edition from the G or GV 80 or 90 series.

The complete blackout of the G90 Long Wheelbase has been enhanced by ensuring every little detail is a perfect matching black. From the moldings around various points on the exterior such as the bumper moldings to headlamp inner side bezels. The Genesis Black Edition has taken it to the littles details throughout the interior ensuring that everything matches even the audio-visual systems when they are off. The Navigation system even has a special black mode.

Some might feel it to be a bit extreme, but even the Smart fob for running the auto as well as the engine bay are ensured to be a matching black. The welcome and goodbye animations, 2D and 3D vehicle images and graphic themes used are all special Black Edition to match the auto.

 

The G90 Long Wheelbase edition will be available only with a 3.5L turbo gas motor paired to a 48-volt electric supercharger system and all-wheel drive. Specifications will vary depending on region and Genesis has stated that interested parties should contact their local Genesis luxury retailer for more information.

 

 

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[Robert Hall]

Interesting...I like the look of the G90 exterior and interior... don't really care for the monochromatic treatment, though. 

I like this G90 interior color scheme more..

[Drew Dowdell]

1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Interesting...I like the look of the G90 exterior and interior... don't really care for the monochromatic treatment, though. 

I like this G90 interior color scheme more..

Agreed. If I was a bond villain, I'd go with the all-black. But I prefer brown or other colors.

[Robert Hall]

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

Agreed. If I was a bond villain, I'd go with the all-black. But I prefer brown or other colors.

Yes. I don't mind the black on black w/ my CT6 because I have plenty of shiny bits inside and out and some other color inside w/ the wood trim.  I couldn't stand everything black. 

[smk4565]

All black to me is a lack of style and design.  It shows no creativity or imagination, it is just lazy to make everything 1 color.  Also I am tired of this gloss black trim trend on the outside and inside of cars, "paint black" fingerprint magnet center consoles.

They don't really sell many of these G90s, did they need to make an extended version?  Do they even sell in China where they are buying EV's and buying local more and more?

[Robert Hall]

9 hours ago, smk4565 said:

All black to me is a lack of style and design.  It shows no creativity or imagination, it is just lazy to make everything 1 color.  Also I am tired of this gloss black trim trend on the outside and inside of cars, "paint black" fingerprint magnet center consoles.

 

It's one of those tiresome, overdone trends...like black wheels or gray houses with black window trim.  I'd assume the LWB G90 has a demand in S. Korea.     

In a world full of dull CUVs and SUVs, though,  it is nice to see someone making a full size sedan...the LWB version has a 132.7 inch wheelbase.

Edited Friday at 11:44 AM by Robert Hall

[G. David Felt]

11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

All black to me is a lack of style and design.  It shows no creativity or imagination, it is just lazy to make everything 1 color.  Also I am tired of this gloss black trim trend on the outside and inside of cars, "paint black" fingerprint magnet center consoles.

They don't really sell many of these G90s, did they need to make an extended version?  Do they even sell in China where they are buying EV's and buying local more and more?

Mercedes also only started off in a limited production for the S Class and all models above and still in many ways does sell a limited amount of their uber luxury models.

Why is it wrong for Genesis to roll out a model that is truly aimed at the 1% and will eventually offer it globally for those that want the best executive luxury sedan?

Many auto companies that have been in that top tier market make a profit off of selling a few thousand a year only.

If you took a close look, you would find that not everything is glassy black leaving finger prints. In fact while like @Robert Hall stated and you, the all black thing has been done by just about everyone.

Yet here, as I pointed out, they took the time to take this to a level of refinement that no one, not even Mercedes has done in making sure every piece, including the engine bay is the same true color of black with matte black in key areas that would be touched allot.

I can see this being loved by those that like everything all black to the nth degree.

I also have to agree with Robert, it is very nice to see a company still making sedans, especially long wheelbase for those that are big.

[smk4565]

The top 1% aren't buying a Genesis.  They are trying to sell to baby boomers who used to have a Buick, Cadillac, Infiniti or Lincoln and they don't have luxury sedans anymore, or maybe people that think a Lexus LS is too sporty.  

[Drew Dowdell]

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

The top 1% aren't buying a Genesis.  They are trying to sell to baby boomers who used to have a Buick, Cadillac, Infiniti or Lincoln and they don't have luxury sedans anymore, or maybe people that think a Lexus LS is too sporty.  

The LS feels too small inside.

The G90 would probably make excellent an excellent Black-Car service car without having to pay the Mercedes S-Class maintenance tax.

A G90 runs $40k cheaper than a comparatively equipped S-Class. While I do think the S-Class has a nicer interior, I think the G90 is better looking outside.

[ccap41]

I love me a long wheelbase large sedan. They just have a really cool presence when walking around them. 

19 hours ago, smk4565 said:

All black to me is a lack of style and design.  It shows no creativity or imagination, it is just lazy to make everything 1 color.  Also I am tired of this gloss black trim trend on the outside and inside of cars, "paint black" fingerprint magnet center consoles.

They don't really sell many of these G90s, did they need to make an extended version?  Do they even sell in China where they are buying EV's and buying local more and more?

I disagree with it being lazy. There are a lot of people who actually want an all black interior. I'm not one of them, but I know people who do. 

I'd agree if it was the ONLY choice available, but as long as there are multiple choices, making an all black one doesn't come off as lazy to me. This is a specific Black Edition, so it also seems to make sense here. 

[smk4565]

4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The LS feels too small inside.

The G90 would probably make excellent an excellent Black-Car service car without having to pay the Mercedes S-Class maintenance tax.

A G90 runs $40k cheaper than a comparatively equipped S-Class. While I do think the S-Class has a nicer interior, I think the G90 is better looking outside.

Not sure the maintenance is so low on a Genesis.  Hyundai/Kia parts prices are insane.  An engine wire harness on an Elantra is over $5,000, it is $6,000 on an Elantra Hybrid on and S-class and it is $4,370.  A Tucson front door is $2300, on an S-class it is $2,100 on a Lexus LS is $838.    A Kia Sorrento quarter wheel opening molding is $808, for plastic.  1 headlight on a G90 is $3,649, more than an S-class but less than the BMW $5,000 laser headlight.

On a Mercedes a front radar sensor is about $650.   On the current Hyundai Tucson front radar sensor is $2000, on the prior generation they are $2700  S-class parts are expensive for sure, but expected for the price of the car and basically on par with  Tucson/Elantra parts.  Lexus parts are cheaper than Hyundai/Kia or Mitsubishi parts.

And it seems like the Hyundai 3.5 V6 doesn't have issues, but those 2.0 and 2.4 liter 4 cylinders for the 2010s burned oil and grenaded themselves like crazy.  Those are the engine equivalent to the Nissan CVT transmission, do not buy ever.  On top of the fact that you can steal those Hyuundais but putting a scrunched USB jack in the ignition.

 I just can't trust anything Hyundai makes, it looks nice new and after 5 years they look like crap and fall apart.

 

[Drew Dowdell]

23 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Not sure the maintenance is so low on a Genesis.  Hyundai/Kia parts prices are insane.  An engine wire harness on an Elantra is over $5,000, it is $6,000 on an Elantra Hybrid on and S-class and it is $4,370.  A Tucson front door is $2300, on an S-class it is $2,100 on a Lexus LS is $838.    A Kia Sorrento quarter wheel opening molding is $808, for plastic.  1 headlight on a G90 is $3,649, more than an S-class but less than the BMW $5,000 laser headlight.

On a Mercedes a front radar sensor is about $650.   On the current Hyundai Tucson front radar sensor is $2000, on the prior generation they are $2700  S-class parts are expensive for sure, but expected for the price of the car and basically on par with  Tucson/Elantra parts.  Lexus parts are cheaper than Hyundai/Kia or Mitsubishi parts.

And it seems like the Hyundai 3.5 V6 doesn't have issues, but those 2.0 and 2.4 liter 4 cylinders for the 2010s burned oil and grenaded themselves like crazy.  Those are the engine equivalent to the Nissan CVT transmission, do not buy ever.  On top of the fact that you can steal those Hyuundais but putting a scrunched USB jack in the ignition.

 I just can't trust anything Hyundai makes, it looks nice new and after 5 years they look like crap and fall apart.

 

You're speaking of collision parts. I'm just talking about doing brakes and oil. The S-Class (like most high-end German luxury from any brand) has some pretty crazy service items.  Audi is definitely worse in this department for any V engine.

The G90 doesn't run the 2.0 or 2.4. The 3.5 and 3.8 have been around a few years now and seem to be serving just fine.  While what you're saying is true for Hyundai, it seems to be significantly less true for Genesis.

[smk4565]

48 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

You're speaking of collision parts. I'm just talking about doing brakes and oil. The S-Class (like most high-end German luxury from any brand) has some pretty crazy service items.  Audi is definitely worse in this department for any V engine.

The G90 doesn't run the 2.0 or 2.4. The 3.5 and 3.8 have been around a few years now and seem to be serving just fine.  While what you're saying is true for Hyundai, it seems to be significantly less true for Genesis.

I found a Genesis dealer website advertising $378 for front brake pads and a Mercedes dealer advertising $299 for an S500.  They both use synthetic oil, both require premium fuel.  I doubt a G90 is any cheaper to maintain than a BMW or Mercedes.  I can appreciate that Genesis had their own styling language and tries to be different, but they don't have the performance of a German car, don't have the reliability/resale value proposition of a Lexus, I think Cadillac does EV's better than Genesis.  There are just too many getter choices.  Now if you specifically want a LWB chauffeur sedan and can't afford the Maybach, then this G90 is the only option, at least in the US, I don't know what all China has for this market.

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, smk4565 said:

I found a Genesis dealer website advertising $378 for front brake pads and a Mercedes dealer advertising $299 for an S500.  They both use synthetic oil, both require premium fuel.  I doubt a G90 is any cheaper to maintain than a BMW or Mercedes.  I can appreciate that Genesis had their own styling language and tries to be different, but they don't have the performance of a German car, don't have the reliability/resale value proposition of a Lexus, I think Cadillac does EV's better than Genesis.  There are just too many getter choices.  Now if you specifically want a LWB chauffeur sedan and can't afford the Maybach, then this G90 is the only option, at least in the US, I don't know what all China has for this market.

Optiq better than GV60? Possibly, but the GV60 has been out several years now and has a refresh coming. I'd place their interior quality on par with each other.  The GV60 is remarkably good and it's a shame it doesn't get more attention. The Genesis charges faster, the Cadillac has a longer range.

Lyriq better than GV70EV? GV70 has a far far far better interior. Lyriq has a better range, but GV70 charges twice as fast, faster than a Tesla on a Tesla charger and at max speed on GM's own 350kw chargers. Genesis also doesn't force you into not using CarPlay. I think the win is the GV70.

?????? better than G80 EV?  Cadillac doesn't even make an EV sedan.... or even an ICE sedan in this size class. Genesis wins by default. 282 mile range plus the highest speed charging outside of Porsche.

Vistiq better than ?????   Cadillac wins by default here, however we already know the GV90 is on the way. The Vistiq does have an excellent looking interior in photos, but I want to see it in person before I judge. All the GV90EV needs to do is match the top end GV80 to remain in the competition.  Plus, GV90 will have CarPlay, giving it the edge.

Escalade IQ better than ????  Cadillac wins by default here because Genesis is unlikely to play in this size class.

 

Seems pretty evenly matched to me.

[oldshurst442]

I saw one of these coincidentally today.

Not the longwheel base obviously.  Its not out yet as I understand this article.  The regular one. I do not know what year it was, but it was this current gen. 

In person, its massive as a vehicle.  Imposing.  But it looks odd.  Not very stately.  Awkward and dare I say goofy.

The front end looks good on it. But every other angle on it is just...dated.  Side angle and especially the back end,  looks like a luxury vehicle that would have come out from an Eastern communist  block  country...20 years ago. 

 

I was approaching it from the rear. It was in front of me in the right lane as I was in the left lane and I didnt notice it until I was approximately next to it from this angle. 

 

Then the traffic stopped in both lanes and I was next to it side by side.  An older gentleman was driving it. In his 70s for sure. If not older. 

And I was in disgust for the car.  The outgoing Town Car of 15 years ago or so was more elegant.

Despite it being a car from 1998...    Then I realized Lincoln makes no more bigely sedans...

Cadillac too, has stopped with the cruiser sedans.  At least for North America.

I just googled to see what the Chinese CT6 looks like

And I now realize that the Asian luxury market prefers their cruiser sedans to have these kinds of proprtions.  Its weird to my American car style eyes.   But the Caddy looks a LOT better than the Genesis G90.

I prefer the previous American CT6.  Our own @Robert Hall's gen CT6 is a pretty American styled sedan.

 But who am I to talk.  I drive an American styled for the American market Honda Accord.

 

It too, has these weird Asian style stylings. 

[Robert Hall]

I saw a black regular wheelbase G90 at the post office recently.  It’s a sharp car. But I prefer the styling of my black CT6 parked a couple spaces over.   As far as current luxobarges, I like the Audi A8 styling over the other Germans. 

[smk4565]

59 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Optiq better than GV60? Possibly, but the GV60 has been out several years now and has a refresh coming. I'd place their interior quality on par with each other.  The GV60 is remarkably good and it's a shame it doesn't get more attention. The Genesis charges faster, the Cadillac has a longer range.

Lyriq better than GV70EV? GV70 has a far far far better interior. Lyriq has a better range, but GV70 charges twice as fast, faster than a Tesla on a Tesla charger and at max speed on GM's own 350kw chargers. Genesis also doesn't force you into not using CarPlay. I think the win is the GV70.

?????? better than G80 EV?  Cadillac doesn't even make an EV sedan.... or even an ICE sedan in this size class. Genesis wins by default. 282 mile range plus the highest speed charging outside of Porsche.

Vistiq better than ?????   Cadillac wins by default here, however we already know the GV90 is on the way. The Vistiq does have an excellent looking interior in photos, but I want to see it in person before I judge. All the GV90EV needs to do is match the top end GV80 to remain in the competition.  Plus, GV90 will have CarPlay, giving it the edge.

Escalade IQ better than ????  Cadillac wins by default here because Genesis is unlikely to play in this size class.

 

Seems pretty evenly matched to me.

Cadillac's EV's seem to be selling though and Genesis's are not.  The Lyriq is more GV80 sized the Optic is GV70 size.  I think Cadillac could still step up the interiors a bit and the Ultium platform cars are still a bit heavy compared to other EVs, but I think they have a better line up than Genesis.  And Cadillac will have an EV sedan or 2 to replace the CT4/CT5, although rumor is one is mid-size and the other full size.

Either way, I was just reading about the BYD Yangwang U7, which is a full size sedan, interior looks on par to a Genesis G90 but it has 1,287 hp and costs $86,000.  And it charges at 500 kw, and BYD has 1,000 kw charging cars going on sale this year.  And the Yangwang U8 SUV also is a boat, which the Escalade IQ cannot drive across rivers.  All these guys are toast anyway.

[oldshurst442]

Ive thought about it.  And there are literally no luxury sedans (the big ones) in this modern era of the 2020s (and to be more precise to use 2025) that I currently lust for.   Nothing from Bentley or Rolls Royce.  Nothing from Mercedes or BMW.  The Audi A8?  I dont like it.  I like the medium version of the A8. The A6.  Precisely, the RS6 Avant.

 

This.  

 

Americans dont do sedans anymore.  OK...Cadillac has got the CT5.  But it aint a big cruiser sedan.  I do like the Black Wing V Series.   I dont lust after it anymore.  I got over it.

Edited yesterday at 02:07 AM by oldshurst442

[oldshurst442]

18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

All these guys are toast anyway.

Yup.

If BYD's battery system tech is true with 100% charging in 5 minutes.   Pretty much everybody is toast. And it does not matter if the US and Canada tariff the crap out of BYD and Chinese EVs from their respective markets.  BYD is already in the process of flooding their EVs all OVER the planet.  Including Mexico.  

And if Trump pisses off Canada even more with tariffs, forget about Canada banning Tesla from the Canadian market in retaliation, Canada might just  erase the 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs and will let   BYD flood our market too.   If GM  and FoMoCo Ontario plants close, BYD might be welcomed to use them. 

China last week or two punished us with 100% tariffs on our porc and other food products that we sell to them.  Retaliatory. (where have  I heard that word before?)  Chinese importers will simply buy porc from other countries hurting our industry...

If American tariffs on GM of Canada vehicles and FoMoCo Canada vehicles is still a go, our factories might close, but maybe if we let BYD flood our market, it will hurt GM and FoMoCo THAT much more. 

And it doesnt matter actually, Trump's economic war with ALL of its allies will doom GM and FoMoCo anyway.  

Edited yesterday at 02:20 AM by oldshurst442

[smk4565]

8 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Yup.

If BYD's battery system tech is true with 100% charging in 5 minutes.   Pretty much everybody is toast. And it does not matter if the US and Canada tariff the crap out of BYD and Chinese EVs from their respective markets.  BYD is already in the process of flooding their EVs all OVER the planet.  Including Mexico.  

And if Trump pisses off Canada even more with tariffs, forget about Canada banning Tesla from the Canadian market in retaliation, Canada might just  erase the 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs and will let   BYD flood our market too.   If GM  and FoMoCo Ontario plants close, BYD might be welcomed to use them. 

China last week or two punished us with 100% tariffs on our porc and other food products that we sell to them.  Retaliatory. (where have  I heard that word before?)  Chinese importers will simply buy porc from other countries hurting our industry...

If American tariffs on GM of Canada vehicles and FoMoCo Canada vehicles is still a go, our factories might close, but maybe if we let BYD flood our market, it will hurt GM and FoMoCo THAT much more. 

And it doesnt matter actually, Trump's economic war with ALL of its allies will doom GM and FoMoCo anyway.  

Yep, BYD (and other Chinese brands) will take over Asia, Mexico, South America, etc were they need lower priced cars and they are making some inroads to Europe also.  And at the improvement rate of Chinese cars with all these 1,000+ hp, 400 mile range, charge in 5 minutes they will move into luxury and performance segments.  Which forces legacy auto into the middle and upper market in the US and Europe and I don't know if that is enough volume for them to survive, probably half will die after getting beat up by tariffs when BYD swoops in to pick up the pieces.

[Drew Dowdell]

14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Yup.

If BYD's battery system tech is true with 100% charging in 5 minutes.   Pretty much everybody is toast. And it does not matter if the US and Canada tariff the crap out of BYD and Chinese EVs from their respective markets.  BYD is already in the process of flooding their EVs all OVER the planet.  Including Mexico.  

 

14 hours ago, smk4565 said:

And at the improvement rate of Chinese cars with all these 1,000+ hp, 400 mile range, charge in 5 minutes they will move into luxury and performance segments.

 

 

Well..... no.

BYD's battery tech has limitations with distribution.  Getting 1000kWh charging is difficult anywhere, especially here in North America where we are built out for 110v service.  Functionally, the BYD batteries don't change the equation because most people don't charge at public chargers AND because getting 1000kWh chargers is going to be a big lift.  Heck, getting 350kWh chargers is often asking a lot. 

That said, if BYD comes to the US, they will be right on par with Porsche / Hyundai / Kia / Genesis for having the fastest charging cars on the fastest chargers we have available.

The real breakthrough will be if Toyota can make their solid-state batteries work because they accept a charge faster than the existing technology while using the same existing charging infrastructure. Where an EValanche might have a peak charge rate of 350kWh, the charge curve starts and ends much lower than that, which lengthens total charge time.  With solid state batteries, the charge curve is more like a flat line.  You start at 350kw (or whatever the rating) and you end at 350kw.  That's what makes charging solid-state batteries so much faster even if you're using the same DC fast charger. 

If Toyota can really make it work, they can 1-Up BYD by simply saying, "Well ours don't need special chargers to get that charging speed"

 

[oldshurst442]

^^^

I havent really read any technical data about the BYD battery system. I was going off on the sensationalist headlines and youtube thumbnails to base my quick opinion of it. 

14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

If BYD's battery system tech is true with 100% charging in 5 minutes.

 

I said this and left it on the table because I had a suspicion that there was some sort of catch.

Thanx @Drew Dowdell for the info.  Ill look more into it.  Intriguing BYD is at this moment.  Im not trusting of BYD just yet.  I will not make the mistake in praising BYD as quickly as I did with Tesla a decade ago.  I regret being naive about Tesla. And although the Model S was a huge leap forward and was quite the impressive machine when it debuted, I feel like even though the Model S was thst good, I feel I was duped just the same.   

Edited 23 hours ago by oldshurst442

[G. David Felt]

7 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

^^^

I havent really read any technical data about the BYD battery system. I was going off on the sensationalist headlines and youtube thumbnails to base my quick opinion of it. 

 

I said this and left it on the table because I had a suspicion that there was some sort of catch.

Thanx @Drew Dowdell for the info.  Ill look more into it.  Intriguing BYD is at this moment.  Im not trusting of BYD just yet.  I will not make the mistake in praising BYD as quickly as I did with Tesla a decade ago.  I regret being naive about Tesla. And although the Model S was a huge leap forward and was quite the impressive machine when it debuted, I feel like even though the Model S was thst good, I feel I was duped just the same.   

I actually posted this when BYD rolled out their 3rd generation platform of 1000V EVs with 1000V 5 min charging. 

BYD's 1,000V Super E-Platform offers charging 400km in 5 minutes

BYD has an American presence here in building other things than EVs.

PRESS RELEASE - Technological Innovations for a Better Life | BYD USA

• Commercial Buses
• School Buses
• Trucks
• Forklifts
• Energy
• Skyrail
• Autos

[G. David Felt]

Hard to get the actual Chinese press release here, but this is their global site.

News Center-BYD

[G. David Felt]

7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

 

 

 

Well..... no.

BYD's battery tech has limitations with distribution.  Getting 1000kWh charging is difficult anywhere, especially here in North America where we are built out for 110v service.  Functionally, the BYD batteries don't change the equation because most people don't charge at public chargers AND because getting 1000kWh chargers is going to be a big lift.  Heck, getting 350kWh chargers is often asking a lot. 

That said, if BYD comes to the US, they will be right on par with Porsche / Hyundai / Kia / Genesis for having the fastest charging cars on the fastest chargers we have available.

The real breakthrough will be if Toyota can make their solid-state batteries work because they accept a charge faster than the existing technology while using the same existing charging infrastructure. Where an EValanche might have a peak charge rate of 350kWh, the charge curve starts and ends much lower than that, which lengthens total charge time.  With solid state batteries, the charge curve is more like a flat line.  You start at 350kw (or whatever the rating) and you end at 350kw.  That's what makes charging solid-state batteries so much faster even if you're using the same DC fast charger. 

If Toyota can really make it work, they can 1-Up BYD by simply saying, "Well ours don't need special chargers to get that charging speed"

 

I suspect with Hyundai having their solid-state battery plant started for testing of the battery packs that Toyota is going to have to really spend money to catch up to the Koreans.

Hyundai to launch all-solid-state EV battery pilot line next month

Hyundai Set to Launch All-Solid-State Battery Production - Batteries Daily

Hyundai Solid-State Battery Pilot Line Starts Production In March

Hyundai starts solid-state battery production in March

Lots of stories covering it, 

[smk4565]

8 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

 

If Toyota can really make it work, they can 1-Up BYD by simply saying, "Well ours don't need special chargers to get that charging speed"

 

We'll see if Toyota is first, Mercedes already has solid state on the road in prototype form.  I would imagine they want that ready for the next generation S-class EV that replaces the EQS.  And usually the S-class gets the technology first.  E-class EV is due out in 2027, I don't know if they would be ready that fast, and even if so, is this expensive tech that starts on S-class and 10 years later ends up on a regular car.

From their media release:

• Safer, lighter, more efficient and 25 percent longer range in the first vehicle: solid-state cell chemistry delivers higher energy density and weight reduction, with improved driving efficiency and cell safety 
• Mercedes-Benz, together with Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains (HPP) based in Brixworth UK, developed and patented new innovative solid-state battery pack 
• Mercedes-Benz integrated solid-state battery, with cells from U.S.-based solid-state battery leader Factorial Energy, into slightly modified EQS Sedan 
• Road tests with new solid-state battery in "621 mile" EQS development car started in February 2025

[oldshurst442]

12 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

I actually posted this when BYD rolled out their 3rd generation platform of 1000V EVs with 1000V 5 min charging. 

BYD's 1,000V Super E-Platform offers charging 400km in 5 minutes

BYD has an American presence here in building other things than EVs.

PRESS RELEASE - Technological Innovations for a Better Life | BYD USA

• Commercial Buses
• School Buses
• Trucks
• Forklifts
• Energy
• Skyrail
• Autos

 Toronto Transit is starting to use BYD electric buses in 2025.  There is a factory in Ontario building them.

Thanx for the links.  I am intrigued by BYD.  I am not opposed to BYD EVs as much as I thought I would be and t has nothing to do with the political climate we are experiencing right now.  I didnt think Chinese automanufacturing would be as advanced as it is.  BYD is impressive. And I feel like I did a massive arrogant error in thinking that Chinese vehicles would be sooooo inferior to Western automobiles.  Part of the mis-information that our Western media and thought processes go, I guess.  

My daughter is taking an Oriental history class in university this semester. The course is focused on Korea, China and Japan. I am helping her with several essays that she needs to write for the class.  Yeah, I am reading her material in detail as if I was taking the course. LOL.   I am fathoming a guess that this would be the primary reason as to why I have switched my focus to BYD automobiles lately.