EV Charging - Discuss all about this for both Public and Private

[G. David Felt]

Seems that Tesla NACS take over of OEM agreeing to use the NACS port is causing a huge win for money to be made by Tesla. As such, it seems the competition has finally woke up to the need of reliability and quality charging.

EVgo Enhances Charging Network with ReNew™ - The EV Report

[G. David Felt]

Seems like for North America, everyone except Lucid and Stellantis have joined the NACS pac!

List: Every Automaker Adopting Tesla's NACS EV Charging Tech (businessinsider.com)

[G. David Felt]

Interesting, seems Hyundai is hitting it to ensure they take leadership in EV sales by expanding the charging credit or a free ChargePoint Level 2 charger for home use.

Hyundai Expands Complimentary ChargePoint® Home Charger or $400 Charging Credit Offer to Even More IONIQ Models - Hyundai Newsroom

[G. David Felt]

I have noticed far more new EVgo, ChargePoint and Electrify America 150 and 350 kW chargers being installed or upgraded around the Washington state area which have been very reliable for me so far and charge much faster than Tesla Supercharger stations. 400V versus 800V charging is amazing.

I also saw that only 20% of Ford EV buyers are using Tesla Supercharger stations in comparison to other brands. So I think the Tesla station might be a bit over sold as the best thing. 

I will say, I am happy with the NACS charge port / cable as it is much smaller, about on par with a home Level 2 CCS charger.

Seems Ford has delivered 140,000 free adapters to their N.A. customers to date.

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/ford-delivers-140000-free-nacs-adapters-to-ev-owners/

Yet only 20% are using it.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/despite-tesla-supercharger-access-ford-drivers-only-use-them-20-of-the

[ccap41]

13 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

I have noticed far more new EVgo, ChargePoint and Electrify America 150 and 350 kW chargers being installed or upgraded around the Washington state area which have been very reliable for me so far and charge much faster than Tesla Supercharger stations. 400V versus 800V charging is amazing.

How often are you not charging at home that you need to charge publicly? I'd think that thing has more than enough range to only need to charge at home. 

13 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Yet only 20% are using it.

It's still a good thing though. That 20% aren't clogging your other charging stations and, I would think, it would keep everybody happier with more chargers available. 

[G. David Felt]

13 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

How often are you not charging at home that you need to charge publicly? I'd think that thing has more than enough range to only need to charge at home. 

It's still a good thing though. That 20% aren't clogging your other charging stations and, I would think, it would keep everybody happier with more chargers available. 

Yes, since installing a home charger, we have only used public charging twice since last year for road trips to eastern Washington.

Yes, you are right 20% less at others, but the point I was making is that the marketing fluff at the time was everyone would use it over all others pretty much and that is clearly not happening.

Cool tech to see BYD chargers at this point. The U.S. needs to get its act together otherwise we will become a 3rd world country under the current idiots in DC.
BYD's 1,000V Super E-Platform offers charging 400km in 5 minutes

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, G. David Felt said:

Yes, you are right 20% less at others, but the point I was making is that the marketing fluff at the time was everyone would use it over all others pretty much and that is clearly not happening.

Do we know what percentage of other EV brand buyers are using them? I mean, if 20% of each brand are using them, that's a lot of vehicles using them.

Also, is this 20% a percentage of every Ford owner? Like, 60% only charge from home. 40% use public charging regularly. Does that mean that 50% of people who use public chargers regularly are using Tesla Superchargers? 

See how numbers can be manipulated or made confusing...

Doesn't Tesla charge more per Kw than most of the other big brands? Or am I wrong there?

[G. David Felt]

6 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Do we know what percentage of other EV brand buyers are using them? I mean, if 20% of each brand are using them, that's a lot of vehicles using them.

Also, is this 20% a percentage of every Ford owner? Like, 60% only charge from home. 40% use public charging regularly. Does that mean that 50% of people who use public chargers regularly are using Tesla Superchargers? 

See how numbers can be manipulated or made confusing...

Doesn't Tesla charge more per Kw than most of the other big brands? Or am I wrong there?

I get it, in the story link that Ford said 20% were using Tesla and 80% were using the other brands, but your right it does leave out how often home charging versus commercial charging is done. All numbers can be manipulated in various ways to feed a narrative.

Tesla only has a couple of V4 chargers that can support the CyberTruck at full charge speed hitting 350 kW. Currently all 3, Y, S, and X charge as follows:

• Model 3 - 170 kW DC or 7.7 kW Level 2
• Model Y - 175 kW DC or 11.5 kW Level 2 
• Model S - 250 kW DC or 11.5 kW / 17.2 kW upgrade
• Model X - 250 kW DC or 11.5 kW / 17.2 kW upgrade
• CyberTruck - 325 kW DC or 11 kW

My Kia EV9 259 kW DC or 11.5 kW Level 2

Most Tesla take about 30 min to reach 80% on the Supercharger station, EV9 is 18 min to 80% on Electrify America, EVgo or ChargePoint.

[Drew Dowdell]

14 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Tesla only has a couple of V4 chargers that can support the CyberTruck at full charge speed hitting 350 kW. Currently all 3, Y, S, and X charge as follows:

• Model 3 - 170 kW DC or 7.7 kW Level 2
• Model Y - 175 kW DC or 11.5 kW Level 2 
• Model S - 250 kW DC or 11.5 kW / 17.2 kW upgrade
• Model X - 250 kW DC or 11.5 kW / 17.2 kW upgrade
• CyberTruck - 325 kW DC or 11 kW

 

I don't think the numbers for the Model-3 and Model-Y are fully correct.  Those are the base charge rates for standard range models. Long range Model 3/Y get 250kw charging.  At least in the first generation, I don't know about the refreshes.

 

[G. David Felt]

5 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I don't think the numbers for the Model-3 and Model-Y are fully correct.  Those are the base charge rates for standard range models. Long range Model 3/Y get 250kw charging.  At least in the first generation, I don't know about the refreshes.

 

It was what I found off their website, but they might have numbers in other places.

[Drew Dowdell]

20 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

I get it, in the story link that Ford said 20% were using Tesla and 80% were using the other brands, but your right it does leave out how often home charging versus commercial charging is done. All numbers can be manipulated in various ways to feed a narrative.

Tesla only has a couple of V4 chargers that can support the CyberTruck at full charge speed hitting 350 kW. Currently all 3, Y, S, and X charge as follows:

• Model 3 - 170 kW DC or 7.7 kW Level 2
• Model Y - 175 kW DC or 11.5 kW Level 2 
• Model S - 250 kW DC or 11.5 kW / 17.2 kW upgrade
• Model X - 250 kW DC or 11.5 kW / 17.2 kW upgrade
• CyberTruck - 325 kW DC or 11 kW

My Kia EV9 259 kW DC or 11.5 kW Level 2

Most Tesla take about 30 min to reach 80% on the Supercharger station, EV9 is 18 min to 80% on Electrify America, EVgo or ChargePoint.

 

6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I don't think the numbers for the Model-3 and Model-Y are fully correct.  Those are the base charge rates for standard range models. Long range Model 3/Y get 250kw charging.  At least in the first generation, I don't know about the refreshes.

 

 

6 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

It was what I found off their website, but they might have numbers in other places.

Looks like we're both wrong and both right.

For 2023+, all versions of the Model-3/Y except the base model have 250kw charging. The base models get 170kw. Prior to that, the standard range got 150kw and the long range got 250kw. There's some oddball configurations of Model-Y that are standard range but AWD that also seem to get 250kw charging.

I've been looking into the Rivians lately and one disappointing thing is they have a relatively slow 170kW charge speed.  That speed is tolerable on a Model-3 because it's pretty efficient, but the Rivians get 50% of the range from the same energy.

 

 

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Looks like we're both wrong and both right.

For 2023+, all versions of the Model-3/Y except the base model have 250kw charging. The base models get 170kw. Prior to that, the standard range got 150kw and the long range got 250kw. There's some oddball configurations of Model-Y that are standard range but AWD that also seem to get 250kw charging.

I've been looking into the Rivians lately and one disappointing thing is they have a relatively slow 170kW charge speed.  That speed is tolerable on a Model-3 because it's pretty efficient, but the Rivians get 50% of the range from the same energy.

Thank you, that is very weird indeed. such a mess of configurations while it might save some money here and there, it would be best if they just optimized on maximizing the charging speed through the controller to all best in class experience.

Sadly, as much as I love the Rivian Product, I have to disagree with RJ on his statement about the R2 and R3 do not need 800V charging and while there is no commitment, this interview seems to imply that he only see's 400V for the R2/R3 auto's. Even the R1 which he admits will benefit from 800V and needs to move to it, will not be done yet.
The Rivian R2 And R3 Probably Won't Be 800-Volt