2022 Rogue Sport on the roll!

[ocnblu]

Nice one!

 

 

[surreal1272]

Dorky. 

[Drew Dowdell]

Eh... 

[balthazar]

No Nissans.

[G. David Felt]

What POS of

[ccap41]

Hard pass on another Nissan. 

[Robert Hall]

Just another forgettable appliance. 

[Drew Dowdell]

  On 2/18/2021 at 7:46 PM, ocnblu said:

It looks great and it is much improved over the current version.  Same could be said of the regular Rogue.  If they send it here without the complicated hybrid system, I will look much more closely at it when it arrives.

 

Reactions are hilarious considering they come from a crew of ppl who find EV redeemable in any way, shape or form.

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I'm pretty powertrain agnostic, but the Nissan 4-cylinder is pretty far down on the heap of 4-cylinders in terms of being a good engine.  There are plenty of powertrains, gas, hybrid, diesel, EV, that will be superior to it in every way.

But being powertrain agnostic, I can still comment on its appearance.... which is bleh. Just like I think Teslas look bleh.

[ocnblu]

What makes "the Nissan 4 cylinder" (as if there is only one) a bad engine?  Anything can be made to appear "superior" if the criteria are narrow.

Looks are subjective.  This is not as "bleh" as any number of other CUV out there.  Have you seen the new HR-V, for example?

[Drew Dowdell]

  On 2/18/2021 at 8:42 PM, ocnblu said:

What makes "the Nissan 4 cylinder" (as if there is only one) a bad engine?  Anything can be made to appear "superior" if the criteria are narrow.

Looks are subjective.  This is not as "bleh" as any number of other CUV out there.  Have you seen the new HR-V, for example?

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Their 2.0 and 2.4 just aren't great on NVH.  Right there with the KIA/Hyundai/Chrysler 2.4. The 1.6T in the previous generation Sentra wasn't too bad, but not anything special.

And yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion... I don't find most small CUVs attractive these days.

[ocnblu]

My mother's '21 Soul with 2.0 seems fine for NVH.  And it is a quiet cruiser, but I might be saying that because the Goodyears on my truck, at 30k miles, seem to be getting louder.

[Robert Hall]

  On 2/18/2021 at 8:42 PM, ocnblu said:

What makes "the Nissan 4 cylinder" (as if there is only one) a bad engine?  Anything can be made to appear "superior" if the criteria are narrow.

Looks are subjective.  This is not as "bleh" as any number of other CUV out there.  Have you seen the new HR-V, for example?

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it's a got a transverse 4 cyl w/ CVT...about as fecal and mediocre as imaginable..it's just another generic appliance, nothing of significance...and in the US, Nissan has fallen down to the bottom of the market, along w/ Mitsubishi...

Edited February 18, 2021 by Robert Hall

[Drew Dowdell]

  On 2/18/2021 at 8:51 PM, ocnblu said:

My mother's '21 Soul with 2.0 seems fine for NVH.  And it is a quiet cruiser, but I might be saying that because the Goodyears on my truck, at 30k miles, seem to be getting louder.

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Nissan makes the Soul?  I specifically said the 2.4 when I mentioned Kia/Hyundai because that is the Global Engine Alliance engine that Hyundai/Kia/Mitsubishi/Chrysler all share the same engine architecture for. The 2.0 in your mother's Soul is a completely different engine family, thus not at all what I was talking about. 

[ocnblu]

Oh.  Well you're still crazy for not liking the Rogue Sport's new style.

[Robert Hall]

Not sure if it's the Rogue Sport or the Rogue, but isn't the new Outlander sharing the platform and engine w/ one of Nissans CUVs?   The 

[Drew Dowdell]

  On 2/18/2021 at 9:07 PM, ocnblu said:

Oh.  Well you're still crazy for not liking the Rogue Sport's new style.

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I'll give it credit.... now that they'll be selling in these handy 8-packs, it will probably do pretty well.

  On 2/18/2021 at 9:13 PM, Robert Hall said:

Not sure if it's the Rogue Sport or the Rogue, but isn't the new Outlander sharing the platform and engine w/ one of Nissans CUVs?   The 

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Rogue

[ocnblu]

Well what's in the wrapper looks more like this: 

...at least until it's been in the tub a few days.

[Drew Dowdell]

as if there’s any comparison by the rogue sport to the road presence of any full size Oldsmobile. Hell, even the soap bar shaped 91 Custom Cruiser in white would command more respect on the road.

but have fun with your Sentra hatchback 4WD

[ocnblu]

Thanks dearheart.  But I am not sure I really want one until I see it in the metal.  When I read that a 2.0t Escape got 32 MPG on MT's fuel economy run it intrigued me.

Also I was trying to flesh out the forum, in an appropriate section, with some new product news.  So you're saying that is verboten?  What if a newbie Nissan fan comes in and sees this thread now?  What would their opinion be?

[G. David Felt]

  On 2/18/2021 at 10:48 PM, ocnblu said:

Thanks dearheart.  But I am not sure I really want one until I see it in the metal.  When I read that a 2.0t Escape got 32 MPG on MT's fuel economy run it intrigued me.

Also I was trying to flesh out the forum, in an appropriate section, with some new product news.  So you're saying that is verboten?  What if a newbie Nissan fan comes in and sees this thread now?  What would their opinion be?

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Rethink to something better based on all the input here.  

[ocnblu]

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:08 PM, David said:

Rethink to something better based on all the input here.  

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And what, pray tell, would you suggest?

[G. David Felt]

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:12 PM, ocnblu said:

And what, pray tell, would you suggest?

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Bolt, Bolt EUV, and so many other better EV CUVs.  

But then you already knew that answer and were being rhetorical!

[surreal1272]

While it looks better than the outgoing model, it still has that dog engine and CVT, just a “no” followed by a bigger “HELL NO” from me. Better choices can be had without the CVT, thats for sure. Start with the 2022 Hyundai Tucson and Kia Sportage (just for having an actual 8 speed auto as opposed to a junk CVT) and work your way down from there. At least Nissan had the good sense to remove the CVT from the upcoming Pathfinder.

Edited February 18, 2021 by surreal1272

[Drew Dowdell]

  On 2/18/2021 at 10:48 PM, ocnblu said:

Thanks dearheart.  But I am not sure I really want one until I see it in the metal.  When I read that a 2.0t Escape got 32 MPG on MT's fuel economy run it intrigued me.

Also I was trying to flesh out the forum, in an appropriate section, with some new product news.  So you're saying that is verboten?  What if a newbie Nissan fan comes in and sees this thread now?  What would their opinion be?

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If you’re a Nissan fan, get the new Mitsubishi Outlander.

aside from Z car drivers, are there still any fans of modern Nissans?

[surreal1272]

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:23 PM, David said:

Bolt, Bolt EUV, and so many other better EV CUVs.  

But then you already knew that answer and were being rhetorical!

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Going to have to disagree on the simple fact that the Bolt has no AWD option. A missed opportunity by GM.

[G. David Felt]

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:48 PM, surreal1272 said:

Going to have to disagree on the simple fact that the Bolt has no AWD option. A missed opportunity by GM.

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Totally agree with you that they missed the boat on this big time in not using the space you find in the rear for a motor back there so it would have AWD option.

But then most CUVs this size are not really driven off road and the amount of the compact and sub compact selling as FWD appliances makes this a valid alternative.

Nissan default is FWD for all 3 trims with the craptastic CVT. ?

[surreal1272]

  On 2/18/2021 at 9:07 PM, ocnblu said:

Oh.  Well you're still crazy for not liking the Rogue Sport's new style.

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Style only goes so far when the power train is $h!. Lipstick on a CVT controlled pig.

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:54 PM, David said:

Totally agree with you that they missed the boat on this big time in not using the space you find in the rear for a motor back there so it would have AWD option.

But then most CUVs this size are not really driven off road and the amount of the compact and sub compact selling as FWD appliances makes this a valid alternative.

Nissan default is FWD for all 3 trims with the craptastic CVT. ?

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True but AWD is still a nice and almost necessary function for most folks up north.

[G. David Felt]

2022 Bolt trims

2022 Bolt EUV Trims

In comparison to the FWD Rogue options, this is a better alternative IMHO.

[ocnblu]

I love those "diagonal test" vids over onto the YouTube, where they test 4WD/AWD effectiveness on a severe diagonal ramp test (on dry asphalt).  The Nissan Rogue was among the better systems, as illustrated.  A CUV with a "4WD/AWD Lock" button seems like they're trying harder.  GM, Hyundai/Kia, Jeep and any other OEM gets a thumbs up from me on that.

The new Tucson is a good looking CUV.

SavageGeese really likes the new Rogue.  I would get the base S in AWD, or, for the price, I could get the sportier, smaller Rogue Sport for the same money but in a higher trim level.  I would want heated seats/wheel like I have now, but I'd also like to have nav.  When nav systems first appeared widespread, I was anti, but now I think it would come in handy.

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:40 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

If you’re a Nissan fan, get the new Mitsubishi Outlander.

aside from Z car drivers, are there still any fans of modern Nissans?

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In my line of work, I get to speak to a lot of ppl in light conversation about their cars.  There are a good number of all-Nissan families.

[ocnblu]

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:57 PM, David said:

In comparison to the FWD Rogue options, this is a better alternative IMHO.

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EVERY.SINGLE.THREAD.

Surreal, c'mon man, you know it's true.  If there were a thread about wanking in here, Statue would be whacking off on a tangent about battery powered personal appliances.

[G. David Felt]

  On 2/19/2021 at 12:03 AM, ocnblu said:

I love those "diagonal test" vids over onto the YouTube, where they test 4WD/AWD effectiveness on a severe diagonal ramp test (on dry asphalt).  The Nissan Rogue was among the better systems, as illustrated.  A CUV with a "4WD/AWD Lock" button seems like they're trying harder.  GM, Hyundai/Kia, Jeep and any other OEM gets a thumbs up from me on that.

The new Tucson is a good looking CUV.

SavageGeese really likes the new Rogue.  I would get the base S in AWD, or, for the price, I could get the sportier, smaller Rogue Sport for the same money but in a higher trim level.  I would want heated seats/wheel like I have now, but I'd also like to have nav.  When nav systems first appeared widespread, I was anti, but now I think it would come in handy.

In my line of work, I get to speak to a lot of ppl in light conversation about their cars.  There are a good number of all-Nissan families.

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So then you truly have stopped supporting America. Might as well move to Japan then! So much for America, America Jobs, America, America, America. Seems you have gone Asian Fever. ?

[ocnblu]

  On 2/19/2021 at 12:19 AM, David said:

Asian Fever

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But I am not a K-pop princess.  For that, may I present to you... a mirror.

[surreal1272]

  On 2/19/2021 at 12:11 AM, ocnblu said:

EVERY.SINGLE.THREAD

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Oh you are just dripping with irony and hypocrisy here. 
 

And why are you trying to drag me into your personal beef with David? My downvote was 100% legit for the reason mentioned above. Get over yourself. 

Edited February 19, 2021 by surreal1272

[ocnblu]

Surreal, stop with the jealousy.  Just because I shot Statue with a zinger this time, doesn't mean I don't have more for you.  Stay tuned!

  On 2/19/2021 at 12:41 AM, surreal1272 said:

And why are you trying to drag me into your personal beef with David?

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Well I would drag you by the hair, but

[surreal1272]

  On 2/19/2021 at 12:28 AM, ocnblu said:

But I am not a K-pop princess. 

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No. You just play one on C&G. 

Edited February 19, 2021 by surreal1272

[ocnblu]

  On 2/19/2021 at 12:44 AM, surreal1272 said:

No. You just play one on C&G. 

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There aren't any left to be played.  Statue's played every last one of them over on the "What Are You Listening To" thread.

[surreal1272]

  On 2/19/2021 at 12:41 AM, ocnblu said:

Surreal, stop with the jealousy.  Just because I shot Statue with a zinger this time, doesn't mean I don't have more for you.  Stay tuned!

Well I would drag you by the hair, but

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You couldn’t drag me by the hair on your best day anyway. 
 

And that’s not a zinger. That’s just passive aggressive bull$h! on your account because someone called you out on the truth of the matter. Big difference so maybe you should just zing yourself next time. 

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:57 PM, David said:

2022 Bolt trims

2022 Bolt EUV Trims

In comparison to the FWD Rogue options, this is a better alternative IMHO.

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Not really comparable IMO since the EUV starts at a much higher price and again, lacking AWD. 

[ccap41]

 @ocnblu, never forget and always be careful, OR ELSE!

[ocnblu]

  On 2/18/2021 at 11:54 PM, David said:

craptastic CVT.

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LOL what does an EV have for a "transmission"?  A single-speed load of BS.

[surreal1272]

  On 2/19/2021 at 1:01 AM, ccap41 said:

 @ocnblu, never forget and always be careful, OR ELSE!

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So nice of you to come to your new loves defense. It’s sweet. Creepy but sweet. 

[daves87rs]

[surreal1272]

  On 2/19/2021 at 1:16 AM, ocnblu said:

LOL what does an EV have for a "transmission"?  A single-speed load of BS.

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Yes because the two are somehow comparable. Torque for miles EV vs a gutless CVT. Real tough choice there. 

[ocnblu]

  On 2/19/2021 at 1:30 AM, surreal1272 said:

Yes because the two are somehow comparable. Torque for miles EV vs a gutless CVT. Real tough choice there. 

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Surreal:  "Deflector shields... UP!"

[oldshurst442]

Its too bad that this Rogue is not offered with electric motors and batteries.  

Now it has to rely on its honest to goodness...shytty looks and crappy CVT transmission that Nissan seems to have mucho problems with.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ocnblu]

  On 2/19/2021 at 1:35 AM, oldshurst442 said:

electric motors and batteries

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YOU'VE DONE ZERO RESEARCH, FOO

[oldshurst442]

With all said and done

Its yet another shytty CUV of the lowest common denominator that sucks the soul out of exciting vehicle ownership

[surreal1272]

  On 2/19/2021 at 1:34 AM, ocnblu said:

Surreal:  "Deflector shields... UP!"

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How? You are claiming that a CVT is somehow superior to the single speed one (because electric motors don’t need multiple pseudo gears unlike an ICE) in your average EV and I gave my response. I’m thinking it may be past med check for you if you don’t understand that simple concept. 

[ocnblu]

"I'm sorry, but you've reached a cellular customer with a voice mailbox that has not been set up yet.  Please try your call again later.  Goodbye."

[oldshurst442]

Who in their right mind buys these shytty things anyway? 

I dont care actually.  Not my cup of tea.  I feel bad for those peeps that have no other choice in life but to buy this thing...

Maybe we should start a GOFUNDME page for these people in need of better life options. 

Edited February 19, 2021 by oldshurst442

[ocnblu]

  On 2/19/2021 at 1:40 AM, surreal1272 said:

somehow superior

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??? NOWHERE did I say a CVT was better than a crappy one-speed current transfer unit in an EV.  But it is certainly NO WORSE.

  On 2/19/2021 at 1:41 AM, oldshurst442 said:

Who in their right mind buys these shytty things anyway? 

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Pretty sure the current Qashqai is one of, if not the best selling CUV in its class in Europe, where it is designed.  It is night and day better than the current model sold here, and even that sells pretty well.  This is a daily driver, and when put into proper perspective, this new one is a pretty nice one.