2021 Buick Envision - where has the news been on this

[regfootball]

https://www.buick.com/future-vehicles/2021-envision

 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by regfootball

[frogger]

Looks much better but still made in China, kind of a deal breaker no?  When it is so easy to purchase a vehicle  made elsewhere.

 

 

[regfootball]

On 6/8/2020 at 6:07 AM, frogger said:

Looks much better but still made in China, kind of a deal breaker no?  When it is so easy to purchase a vehicle  made elsewhere.

 

 

GM makes so few of their vehicles in US anymore.  Encore = Korea, this in China...my TourX was Germany.  I get the 'world market' part of this, but maybe GM will learn that sending most of its production (by model count) outside our borders is a shitty deal.

is this sort of "Buick Mazda CX-5" looking?

 

I hope it is not SMALLER than the current Envision.......

Edited June 9, 2020 by regfootball

[ocnblu]

Makes the current model disappear, never to be seen again.  Sexy!  Hate its country of origin though.

[regfootball]

56 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Makes the current model disappear, never to be seen again.  Sexy!  Hate its country of origin though.

it's unoffensive / attractive but yet you could almost throw any badge on it.  No real 'Buick' cues whatsoever.

But at least you get FOUR cylinders!!!!

[balthazar]

it's unoffensive / attractive but yet you could almost throw any badge on it.

You could say exactly that about MOST of the CUV segment.

[ocnblu]

8 hours ago, regfootball said:

it's unoffensive / attractive but yet you could almost throw any badge on it.  No real 'Buick' cues whatsoever.

But at least you get FOUR cylinders!!!!

Well, I concede the lower "hockeystick" body line is a relic of GM's ownership of Opel, and it would be much nicer if it came with a V6, at least here in North America...

[riviera74]

I would have liked to see interior pics since that is where the real experience is.  I do wish that the Envision came with a V6 but emissions requirements and displacement taxes in China make that almost impossible.

[frogger]

29 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

I would have liked to see interior pics since that is where the real experience is.  I do wish that the Envision came with a V6 but emissions requirements and displacement taxes in China make that almost impossible.

Hopefully it is good.. To me the exterior looks nicer than the XT4/Cadillac's CUV design language.

[oldshurst442]

18 hours ago, regfootball said:

GM makes so few of their vehicles in US anymore.  Encore = Korea, this in China...my TourX was Germany.  I get the 'world market' part of this, but maybe GM will learn that sending most of its production (by model count) outside our borders is a $h!ty deal.

is this sort of "Buick Mazda CX-5" looking?

 

I hope it is not SMALLER than the current Envision.......

100% my thoughts on every point you touched. 

Im not one to discriminate against a country. (I said country. I never discriminate against the people.)(and there are a few countries to which I have saltiness for) 

China’s political leadership stinks. From their bullying of certain territorial waters to their bullying of doing business in China and especially their cover up of Covid 19, I think GM should reconsider wtf they want to do in China going forward. I understand that China has billions of people and GM sees dollar signs, but at what American cost does that mean?

And yes. I sees plenty of Mazda in this. But then again, its a CUV.  They all look the same anyhow. 

[riviera74]

4 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

100% my thoughts on every point you touched. 

Im not one to discriminate against a country. (I said country. I never discriminate against the people.)(and there are a few countries to which I have saltiness for) 

China’s political leadership stinks. From their bullying of certain territorial waters to their bullying of doing business in China and especially their cover up of Covid 19, I think GM should reconsider wtf they want to do in China going forward. I understand that China has billions of people and GM sees dollar signs, but at what American cost does that mean?

And yes. I sees plenty of Mazda in this. But then again, its a CUV.  They all look the same anyhow. 

Well, if GM did not have China as a market, then Buick would have gone the way of Oldsmobile during BK (well, more like Pontiac). 

The Chinese market saved Buick period.  Yes, the CCP (and its leaders) are very bad by any standard, especially in foreign policy.  But is it rational for GM to ignore the fastest growing auto market on the planet right now?  Is it rational for GM to drop the largest new auto market on the planet?  While I am sympathetic to your POV when it comes to China, I am not sure you (or anyone else) would make such a decision to leave China if you were Mary Barra's current position.

[oldshurst442]

7 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Well, if GM did not have China as a market, then Buick would have gone the way of Oldsmobile during BK (well, more like Pontiac). 

The Chinese market saved Buick period.  Yes, the CCP (and its leaders) are very bad by any standard, especially in foreign policy.  But is it rational for GM to ignore the fastest growing auto market on the planet right now?  Is it rational for GM to drop the largest new auto market on the planet?  While I am sympathetic to your POV when it comes to China, I am not sure you (or anyone else) would make such a decision to leave China if you were Mary Barra's current position.

Again.  

Im 100% in agreement with your sentiment.  No...its NOT rational to quit on the largest automotive car market on the planet.  

My post was more in touch with my emotional side rather than my logical side of thinking. 

 

[riviera74]

2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Again.  

Im 100% in agreement with your sentiment.  No...its NOT rational to quit on the largest automotive car market on the planet.  

My post was more in touch with my emotional side rather than my logical side of thinking. 

 

I completely understand.

[regfootball]

GM's failure in Europe AND USA is why they had to rely on China.

I'm not terribly bent out of shape about GM's failure in Europe anymore.  If Fiat and PSA are still building cars, that says something...low standards....apart from the homerism to BMW, Merc, VWAG.

GM's pending failure here in the US is partially a product of not producing in the US as much as many other issues.....downsizing interiors and engines, styling miscues, product class miscues, marking huge miscues, caring more about autonomous vehicles and CAFE.....and electric.....

GM can probably offset some losses in China if they lose share there, by growing in other parts of the world not called Europe, and I think they are chipping away at those new opportunities. But then they give up AU...with Holden.....

Really at the end of the day, Buick could be a huge contributor to increasing their US sales based on crossovers, and by building them here.  GM's overall size and class strategy still confuses...is this smaller than the current Envision?  Is it more like the XT4?  The Enspire I HOPE is still coming, and that it is Blazer sized.  A mid-large 2 row ala Edge / Blazer with premium status WOULD help Buick a lot, esp if built in the US.  BUT it also has to look good and GM can't be trusted to put out well styled vehicles but maybe half the time these days.....

[daves87rs]

I have to say I like the look of it! Much better than the current one..

But lack of news kinda shows how important Buick is here in the US sadly.....

[ocnblu]

3 hours ago, regfootball said:

Really at the end of the day, Buick could be a huge contributor to increasing their US sales based on crossovers, and by building them here.  GM's overall size and class strategy still confuses...is this smaller than the current Envision?  Is it more like the XT4?  The Enspire I HOPE is still coming, and that it is Blazer sized.  A mid-large 2 row ala Edge / Blazer with premium status WOULD help Buick a lot, esp if built in the US.  BUT it also has to look good and GM can't be trusted to put out well styled vehicles but maybe half the time these days.....

I'm going out on a limb and saying it is longer, lower and wider than the current Envision, and that its styling fools you in the photos, similar to the difference between the original Encore v. the new Encore GX.  Lack of a quarter window, for example, I think fools the eye into thinking it's smaller.  It looks long through the doors, similar to Cadillac's theme with the XT4, imo.

[regfootball]

11 hours ago, ocnblu said:

I'm going out on a limb and saying it is longer, lower and wider than the current Envision, and that its styling fools you in the photos, similar to the difference between the original Encore v. the new Encore GX.  Lack of a quarter window, for example, I think fools the eye into thinking it's smaller.  It looks long through the doors, similar to Cadillac's theme with the XT4, imo.

when we see the specs on this vehicle we will know if its an XT4 clone or not.

the XT4 is a lot smaller inside than the envision.  Now, if the new Envision is on the XT4 platform, but has been legnthened and widened, such that it comes out with the same interior space as the current Envision, that is my hope.

I really like the current Envision (no contest vs Equinox and Terrain) apart from where it is built but that is with a deal breaker / caveat.....the dashboard and all its plood is hideous.  Also, the pricing on the Envision can be quite comical.  The pricing and trim packages as GM usually does them is what ultimately dooms the product on the sales chart.  Priced way too high, the cars sit on lots for a year until GM throws rebates at them.  There are still many XT4's from 2019 needing a home, with ridiculous MSRP's that now they have to look at DEEP discounting before anyone will pop.

Edited June 11, 2020 by regfootball

[riviera74]

5 hours ago, regfootball said:

when we see the specs on this vehicle we will know if its an XT4 clone or not.

the XT4 is a lot smaller inside than the envision.  Now, if the new Envision is on the XT4 platform, but has been legnthened and widened, such that it comes out with the same interior space as the current Envision, that is my hope.

I really like the current Envision (no contest vs Equinox and Terrain) apart from where it is built but that is with a deal breaker / caveat.....the dashboard and all its plood is hideous.  Also, the pricing on the Envision can be quite comical.  The pricing and trim packages as GM usually does them is what ultimately dooms the product on the sales chart.  Priced way too high, the cars sit on lots for a year until GM throws rebates at them.  There are still many XT4's from 2019 needing a home, with ridiculous MSRP's that now they have to look at DEEP discounting before anyone will pop.

The Envisions down here are actually discounted by $5000 or more.  And these are the 2020 models sitting on my local dealer's lot.

https://www.dixiebg.com/VehicleSearchResults?model=Envision&year=2020

[regfootball]

2 hours ago, riviera74 said:

The Envisions down here are actually discounted by $5000 or more.  And these are the 2020 models sitting on my local dealer's lot.

https://www.dixiebg.com/VehicleSearchResults?model=Envision&year=2020

NICE DISCOUNTS ON THOSE......gets the prices almost within line.  about 40 for a premium 2 is not bad, still feels a bit steep but i guess other stuff is 50 and 60k....

 

[balthazar]

If 'other stuff' is $50-60K, '$40K for Premium II' sounds too cheap, not 'a bit steep'.
Otherwise, the comparison seems a non sequitur.

[G. David Felt]

These are the top 4 Premium II with 9sp transmission and trailering package plus moonroof.

[regfootball]

http://www.burlappcar.com/2020/06/2021-buick-envision-interior.html

[riviera74]

12 hours ago, regfootball said:

http://www.burlappcar.com/2020/06/2021-buick-envision-interior.html

If that interior pic is an indication of what will be in the new 2021 Envision, a lot of people will be happy to buy this one over this year's model. 

Does the "avoid year one" of a model still apply in this case?

[trinacriabob]

On 6/9/2020 at 8:11 PM, regfootball said:

it's unoffensive / attractive but yet you could almost throw any badge on it.  No real 'Buick' cues whatsoever.

But at least you get FOUR cylinders!!!!

From some vantage points, without badging, it looks very Mazda-like.

[ykX]

Tested: 2021 Buick Envision

Tested: 2021 Buick Envision Poses as A Luxury SUV (caranddriver.com)

2021 Buick Envision First Look: A Better-Looking, Less Powerful Luxury SUV (motortrend.com)

Reviews are similar, good looking but otherwise just ok.  Better choices available for the money.

Edited February 26, 2021 by ykX

[ykX]

My question to the "patriots" on this forum, which is preferable:

The Envision is build in China, so buying it you are supporting Chinese workers but profits go to GM in US.

Or

Acura RDX is built in Ohio, so by buying it you will support thousands of American jobs in US but the profits will go to Japan.

Edited February 26, 2021 by ykX

[G. David Felt]

26 minutes ago, ykX said:

Tested: 2021 Buick Envision

Tested: 2021 Buick Envision Poses as A Luxury SUV (caranddriver.com)

2021 Buick Envision First Look: A Better-Looking, Less Powerful Luxury SUV (motortrend.com)

Reviews are similar, good looking but otherwise just ok.  Better choices available for the money.

I agree, while I helped on the 2nd year the Envision was out my sister get one that is fully loaded and she loves in her favorite color, Garnet red, this less powerful version and the two options of blah black or blah white and black interiors just SUCKS!

There are better options like you stated and especially Hybrid that perform way better than this. SAD, she is ready to trade it in as a in home care nurse for open wounds, she drives allot and at 3yrs she is hitting 75K miles of no problems and loves her auto, but is ready for a new one. Sadly no Hybrid of the Envision which she would buy in a heartbeat. Her backup brand Mazda also, no Hybrid and while she likes the Mazda 5, she actually feels it is less luxury than her Envision.

Gave her a list of Hybrids and she is trying to decide as she is not a fan of any of them. I also told her of the EVs coming and she is thinking on if she wants to wait for one of them since power is cheap here. Her average 2,084 miles a month equals 69.5 gallons of gas used per month for work at $2.91 average price per gallon today equals $202.15 a month in gas cost versus a 77kWH battery pack giving 259 miles at .06 cents per kW = $4.62 per battery pack recharge and it will take 8 full batteries to cover the miles so a total of $36.96 per month in electricity.

Current gas would be $2,425.80 a year.

Current electricity would be $443.52 a year.

She still will have the tire wear and tear, but no oil changes and other ICE maintenance. So for her, waiting till one of the new EVs comes out might be the best for her cost wise especially since she is able to write off the miles and auto cost since she uses it for work.

12 minutes ago, ykX said:

My question to the "patriots" on this forum, which is preferable:

The Envision is build in China, so buying it you are supporting Chinese workers but profits go to GM in US.

Or

Acura RDX is built in Ohio, so by buying it you will support thousands of American jobs in US but the profits will go to Japan.

Personally, I would go with an American company that keeps the profits here, supports jobs globally but pays corporate taxes into supporting America. IMHO.

[ykX]

8 minutes ago, David said:

Personally, I would go with an American company that keeps the profits here, supports jobs globally but pays corporate taxes into supporting America. IMHO.

Personally, I could care less about corporate taxes.  I think good paying  US manufacturing jobs support US economy much more than corporate taxes, which each company tries to pay as little as possible (and I am sure GM is using every loophole possible).

[G. David Felt]

15 minutes ago, ykX said:

Personally, I could care less about corporate taxes.  I think good paying  US manufacturing jobs support US economy much more than corporate taxes, which each company tries to pay as little as possible (and I am sure GM is using every loophole possible).

True, but you do have to have local profits to offer jobs building modern products. Best is to have American made products from raw material to finished products.

[ykX]

59 minutes ago, David said:

Best is to have American made products from raw material to finished products.

Of course this is the best. 

I am asking a particular question of Envision vs RDX.  Chinese manufacturing jobs and US corporate profit vs American manufacturing and Japan's corporate profit.

Anyone else would like to share an opinion? @balthazar  @Drew Dowdell @ocnblu @A Horse With No Name @Robert Hall @ccap41 @surreal1272 @daves87rs anyone else?

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, ykX said:

Of course this is the best. 

I am asking a particular question of Envision vs RDX.  Chinese manufacturing jobs and US corporate profit vs American manufacturing and Japan's corporate profit.

Anyone else would like to share an opinion? @balthazar  @Drew Dowdell @ocnblu @A Horse With No Name @Robert Hall @ccap41 @surreal1272 @daves87rs anyone else?

I would take the RDX. Actually neither, as I don't find either of them all that appealing. But American blue collar jobs for the win. 

[Robert Hall]

For the Envision vs RDX, I'd have to go with the RDX as it is an Ohio-built product.    Though I'd take the MDX over the RDX.

Edited February 26, 2021 by Robert Hall

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, David said:

True, but you do have to have local profits to offer jobs building modern products. Best is to have American made products from raw material to finished products.

Which is why I bought the Ranger and use American made machines in my workshop. 

Just now, Robert Hall said:

For the Envision vs RDX, I'd have to go with the RDX as it is an Ohio-built product.    

Agreed. 

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Personally, I could care less about corporate taxes.  I think good paying  US manufacturing jobs support US economy much more than corporate taxes, which each company tries to pay as little as possible (and I am sure GM is using every loophole possible).

I agree here. Plus, working people spend money that stimualtes the economy. 

On 6/8/2020 at 7:07 AM, frogger said:

Looks much better but still made in China, kind of a deal breaker no?  When it is so easy to purchase a vehicle  made elsewhere.

 

 

It is for me. 

On 6/9/2020 at 7:14 PM, ocnblu said:

Makes the current model disappear, never to be seen again.  Sexy!  Hate its country of origin though.

I would upvote this a million times if I could. 

On 6/9/2020 at 11:03 PM, balthazar said:

 

You could say exactly that about MOST of the CUV segment.

Which is why I like motorcycles and woodworking tools more than most modern vehicles. 

Chevy Trail Boss for the win though....that is badass. 

[ykX]

2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I agree here. Plus, working people spend money that stimualtes the economy.

Also, running for bigger corporate profits is what caused US to loose so many manufacturing jobs to begin with.  

[A Horse With No Name]

On 6/11/2020 at 11:02 PM, David said:

These are the top 4 Premium II with 9sp transmission and trailering package plus moonroof.

Can I say hard pass?

Just now, ykX said:

Also, running for bigger corporate profits is what caused US to loose so many manufacturing jobs to begin with.  

Yep. We have spent the last forty years selling out what it took the previous 120 years to build. Drive through any rustbelt midwestern city....

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, ykX said:

Of course this is the best. 

I am asking a particular question of Envision vs RDX.  Chinese manufacturing jobs and US corporate profit vs American manufacturing and Japan's corporate profit.

Anyone else would like to share an opinion? @balthazar  @Drew Dowdell @ocnblu @A Horse With No Name @Robert Hall @ccap41 @surreal1272 @daves87rs anyone else?

It's a really foggy area and one needs to look at the parts content to truly make an educated assessment.  The Envision is pretty much a 100% chinese manufactured vehicle by a company that is 51% owned by a Chinese company and 49% owned by GM.  So only 49% of the manufacturing profits goes to GM, and thus back to the US.... retail profits are split between GMNA and the dealer. 

The RDX and other "imports" that are built here get more complicated.  Some of them are just assembled here from parts from all over the world. (I don't know of the parts content of the RDX, I'm just using it as an example)... so while Honda gets to claim that the RDX is built in Ohio, it's really just assembled in Ohio and a lot of the parts come from Japan, China, Canada, etc.

GM in the past has done weird stuff like this before... the first gen Equinox had a Chinese engine.  The Avalanche was assembled in Mexico using mostly U.S. parts. The C-Class is built in Alabama and if you buy the 4-cylinder you get a US engine, but if you buy any of the other powertrains, it's a German engine. 

The Ranger switched from a Mexican built engine to a US engine.... and at the beginning didn't even make the top 20 in the "Most American" list, and now its in a 5-way tie for 2nd place at 70% American content.

... ... so yea, things are all over the place and can even switch from year to year without a model change over. 

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Personally, I could care less about corporate taxes.  I think good paying  US manufacturing jobs support US economy much more than corporate taxes, which each company tries to pay as little as possible (and I am sure GM is using every loophole possible).

Corporate taxes are not meant to be paid. They're meant to be an incentive to invest in plants, equipment, and people.  Investing in those things lowers your taxes.

[Robert Hall]

 It's definitely kind of murky and complicated for many vehicles.. my Jeep is a good example..it has some German ancestry, built in the US by an Italian-American company, engine built in Mexico, various parts from all over no doubt.

I'm not sure I'd want a US built German car, I'd rather have one built in Germany than Alabama I think. 

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Of course this is the best. 

I am asking a particular question of Envision vs RDX.  Chinese manufacturing jobs and US corporate profit vs American manufacturing and Japan's corporate profit.

Anyone else would like to share an opinion? @balthazar  @Drew Dowdell @ocnblu @A Horse With No Name @Robert Hall @ccap41 @surreal1272 @daves87rs anyone else?

Honestly, I think Drew covered it best as just narrowing down to the choices you’ve given is too simplistic although I get what you were going for here. It is a very complicated situation in that regard. 

[balthazar]

I would lean towards the Envision over an Acura in this instance, but ultimately would have to automatically bow out of a 49% GM / 51% Chinese company vehicle and skateboard instead.

More generally, I will always go with an American corporation over a foreign one. Ram is out for me because: Stellantis<FCA<daimler-Chrysler. Point of assembly is a much more tertiary point with me (and China-assembled is a HUGE strike in my book).

Edited February 26, 2021 by balthazar

[ccap41]

That's a very good question @ykX, I'm leaning more towards what the better end product is. 

I think, in this scenario, I would be more likely to support the MDX with American workers but foreign corporation. A big part of the equation is that I'm not a fan of the union jobs the D3 suffer through but also the fact that they moved the jobs overseas to avoid those crappy unions, they themselves are admitting they don't like them either. 

[ocnblu]

Acura RDX is number 14 on a list of vehicles with American parts content, that is admirable, imo.  China is clearly a bitter economic adversary of ours.  NO WAY I'd consider the Buick, simply for this reason.  I think less of gm overall for this product.  It is yugely improved over the old one however.

I like to believe that out of the major Asian auto-producing nations, South Korea is most friendly toward the US.

Nissan has a yuge presence in Tennessee, that is a plus for me.  Honda/Acura have long-established bases here as well.  Toyota too. 

I wish the US were as protective of her industries as Europe and Asia are.  As a nation, we give away way too much, at our own, longterm economic peril, imo.

Edited February 27, 2021 by ocnblu
de-capitalizing gm, old habits die hard

[ykX]

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Corporate taxes are not meant to be paid. They're meant to be an incentive to invest in plants, equipment, and people.  Investing in those things lowers your taxes.

How many manufacturing jobs US lost in the last 30-40 years because corporations choose profits by moving manufacturing overseas and investing nothing here. Incentive means nothing because greed always wins, especially when it comes to corporations and upper management.

Honda is using at least 60-70% percent US made parts in the cars they assemble here.  How come Honda can design and assemble  in US with majority of US parts a better product than GM can do in China for the same money?

Edited February 27, 2021 by ykX

[balthazar]

58 minutes ago, ykX said:

How many manufacturing jobs US lost in the last 30-40 years because corporations choose profits by moving manufacturing overseas and investing nothing here.

WRT General Motors : 40 years ago (1980), GM lost $753 million on the year. GM also had a record 618K employees as of '79, the largest private employer in the nation. By '86, that number was 816K (in 2020 it was 155K). That translates to one thing; a tsunami of near-future pension obligations. Couple that with the cropping up of foreign, non-unioned plants at the same time. If GM started up assembly plants overseas in this period, it was for survival, not 'gross profits'. 

[daves87rs]

I think Drew pretty much nailed it.

I think the toughest part is the automakers have to impress Wall Street, which is only concerned about the bottom line.

They want them build where it is cheapest, and whatever else it takes to fatten that profit. If the Shareholders had their way, all cars/trucks would be built in China.......

[riviera74]

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Acura RDX is number 14 on a list of vehicles with American parts content, that is admirable, imo.  China is clearly a bitter economic adversary of ours.  NO WAY I'd consider the Buick, simply for this reason.  I think less of gm overall for this product.  It is yugely improved over the old one however.

I like to believe that out of the major Asian auto-producing nations, South Korea is most friendly toward the US.

Nissan has a yuge presence in Tennessee, that is a plus for me.  Honda/Acura have long-established bases here as well.  Toyota too. 

I wish the US were as protective of her industries as Europe and Asia are.  As a nation, we give away way too much, at our own, longterm economic peril, imo.

I understand that, but without China, Buick goes the way of Oldsmobile and Pontiac. 

Unfortunately, not every GM product is built here with US-made parts.  As already stated, some Toyotas and Hondas (such as the CR-V and RDX) have more US/Canadian parts content than the new Envision.  Making this decision rather hard in some cases.  The Car and Driver article linked earlier mentioned that the Envision is actually cheaper than the Corsair and the QX50.  Whether it is better to get one of those (or an RDX or an XT4 or a CX-5) is another question.

[balthazar]

51 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Making this decision rather hard in some cases.

In zero cases in my book.
 

1 hour ago, daves87rs said:

the automakers have to impress Wall Street

You of course realize what elevated stock prices do for the COMPANY, yes?

[ccap41]

On 2/26/2021 at 6:33 PM, ykX said:

Honda is using at least 60-70% percent US made parts in the cars they assemble here.  How come Honda can design and assemble  in US with majority of US parts a better product than GM can do in China for the same money?

Garbage, greedy unions. 

[G. David Felt]

On 2/26/2021 at 4:33 PM, ykX said:

Honda is using at least 60-70% percent US made parts in the cars they assemble here.  How come Honda can design and assemble  in US with majority of US parts a better product than GM can do in China for the same money?

What proof do you have that GM produced Buicks are not as good as US built Honda products? The Buick Envision is a pretty damn nice auto and been very reliable for my sister. I have not see the problems on her Envision compared to my neighbors accord that seems to always be in the shop. Could it be the lack of care by us labor?

[ykX]

9 minutes ago, David said:

What proof do you have that GM produced Buicks are not as good as US built Honda products? The Buick Envision is a pretty damn nice auto and been very reliable for my sister. I have not see the problems on her Envision compared to my neighbors accord that seems to always be in the shop. Could it be the lack of care by us labor?

EVERY review said that.

But even looking at it, it is clear.  RDX has more powerful engine: 272hp/280ft-lbs vs 230hp/258hp.  It has much better AWD system: SH-AWD is significantly better than FWD based system Buick has.  RDX has more cargo space.  Dynamically reading reviews for both it is definitely superior than the Envision.  I can say that Buick has only one thing that is better - the exterior looks.

17 minutes ago, David said:

I have not see the problems on her Envision compared to my neighbors accord that seems to always be in the shop.

My wife's previous car was MDX that we drove for 100k miles, no issues.  My wife's current car is MDX Hybrid - year and a half, 20k no issues.  My parents own 2016 CR-V - no issues, my mother in law owns 2013 CR-V (almost 100k miles) - no issues.

[G. David Felt]

@ykX Thanks for the reply, very glad your wife love it. Interior space is very personal as the RDX and MDX, interior space for large people sucks. If I sit in the front, no one can sit behind me where they can in the Buick.

I also find the interface of the Buick dash much more to my liking than the crazy button overkill mess of the Acura.

I have never driven the Acura AWD in snow or heavy water, but I have the Buick and it handles very well. So while engine power is different as you quoted the base to mid level, my sister has a Premium II Envision so 252HP / 260 ft-lbs of torque and it does move very well.

I will say that the Buick being 300lbs heavier than the RDX shows gm has room to remove weight. 4000 versus 3700 lbs.

Both seem to be very capable CUVs, seem to run as very reliable auto's. So I think both since style is a personal matter works well for customers in the market. Reviews posted by actual buyers seems to bear this out compared to the magazine reviews which I do question allot.

I saw a battle between two people posting on Edmunds the love hate relationship of the interior dash.

I agree with you that I think the Envision looks better than the Acura, but for those that have had positive reliable experiences, I cannot blame a person for sticking with one over another product.

Thank you for posting your info and your personal experience, always good to read what others experience as I think it is more valid than the magazine reviews.