Fisker Ocean Can Gain 200 Miles Range in 30 Minutes :Comments

[Drew Dowdell]

The EV startup Fisker will be officially debuting their Ocean EV on January 4th at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.  Fisker has been teasing images of the Ocean for months.

Fisker has also announced that they will be partnering with Electrify America, the charging network born from the Volkswagen Dieselgate scandal.  Electrify America is building out a network of 350 kW rapid chargers to be coming online in 45 states by December 2021.  Fisker says that when using those 350 kW rapid chargers, the Ocean will be able to gain 200 miles of range in at little as 30 minutes. The Electrify America network will automatically recognize the Ocean and be set up for automatic payments. Fisker will also be offering a complimentary charging scheme to go with the vehicle. 

The Ocean is a direct competitor to the forthcoming Tesla Model Y and Ford Mustang Mach-E. Range is expected to be around 300 miles under ideal conditions from its 80 kWh battery. On the roof is a full-size solar panel that is said to be able to add 1,000 miles of range to the vehicle per year. Fisker is said to be working on solid state battery technology that would increase range to 500 miles and allow for charges in minutes. 

Fisker claims the Ocean will be the most sustainable vehicle built with many recycled and vegan materials inside. The Fisker Ocean will be offered primarily through leasing rather than purchasing. Pricing for a lease is expected to start around $379 per month after a deposit of $2,999.  The Ocean is expected to go into production at the end of 2021 with full production commencing in early 2022.

 

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[G. David Felt]

Will be interesting to see if they deliver on all they are promising on this auto.

Will be interesting to see how the spec evolves and changes for charging. CEC is at 350kW of charging where Nissan CHAdeMO V2.0 is at 400kW (400A x 1kV) though on their web site (https://www.chademo.com/activities/protocol-development/) is that CHAdeMO is working with CEC on the new 900kW charging standard that could become the new global XFC or Extreme Fast Charging that would allows solid state batteries to charge in minutes much as some folks have stated Gas is better cause of the minutes it takes to fill a tank.

[USA-1]

So everybody on here knows the charger is in the EV, so it dictates what the car can pull as far as kW and Amps that the charger in the EV can handle. So the 350 kW charging station is really just a big switch to bring the power to the EV and the onboard charger then communicates to the charging station how many kW's and amps it needs or can handle.

Another issue with slamming this kind of amperage to the batteries will significantly reduce the life of the battery cell thus reducing the range the EV will have. The original Blink Network DC Fast Chargers were 60kW 200 amps Max and they were pushing close to full capacity to our fleet of Nissan Leafs with the 45kW charger and CHAdeMO plug from the 480v 3 phase 200 amp dedicated service of DCFC charging stations. Nissan Leaf EPA range was 100 mi. per charge but Real World range was closer to 75-80 mi. per charge when new, but after just a few years of pushing that high amperage to the battery packs the range was reduced to 60 mi. or less. Chevy Spark EV for the West Coast and SW area of the U.S. was also in the fleet using either a Level 2 240v Single phase charging station connecting the 7.4 kW charger or the 50 kW DCFC charger using the J1772 Level 2 plug or the SAE Combo plug which seem like the better plug for DCFC that GM, BMW, MB, VW have all used over the larger cumbersome industrial size CHAdeMO plugs that Nissan and Mitsubishi use(d).

So we should keep in mind that these Extreme FC's will significantly reduce the range much quicker. Hopefully these manf's like Fisker have made the battery packs easy to swap out like Tesla has because they will need it. It's a good thing Li-ion batteries that EV's use are fairly "clean" batteries for recycling in that they don't have the harmful acids or other chemicals in them, mainly precious metals copper, magnesium and platinum is some which also makes them more expensive. Li-ion battery manufacturing has improved and prices have come down, but they are still pretty expensive. 

[A Horse With No Name]

On 12/12/2019 at 10:40 AM, David said:

Will be interesting to see if they deliver on all they are promising on this auto.

Will be interesting to see how the spec evolves and changes for charging. CEC is at 350kW of charging where Nissan CHAdeMO V2.0 is at 400kW (400A x 1kV) though on their web site (https://www.chademo.com/activities/protocol-development/) is that CHAdeMO is working with CEC on the new 900kW charging standard that could become the new global XFC or Extreme Fast Charging that would allows solid state batteries to charge in minutes much as some folks have stated Gas is better cause of the minutes it takes to fill a tank.

I think they will. 

[oldshurst442]

https://www.caranddriver.com/fisker/ocean

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fisker-unveils-worlds-most-sustainable-vehicle-as-electric-vehicle-competition-heats-up-141734654.html

 

Fisker is using large contract manufacturer Magna (MGA) to build its Ocean SUV. Magna makes cars and large components for clients like BMW (BMWYY), GM (GM), and even Ferrari (RACE).

In addition, one area that puts upward pressure on the price tags of EVs are batteries. Fisker is using CATL, the world’s largest battery manufacturer, to make a custom package for the Ocean, using cheaper LFP (lithium iron phosphate) battery cells for the Ocean Sport model, and more energy dense nickel manganese cobalt cells for the extended range Ocean trim levels.

On top of all that, Fisker wants this car to be the most sustainable car on the planet — hence the name "Ocean." 

“So the idea with this vehicle is to make it the world's most sustainable vehicle, so we've got a solar roof that can give you up to 1,500 miles for a year, we've got a fully vegan interior with recycled materials,” he says. Even all the carpets are made from recycled plastic bottles and fishing nets from the ocean, and the carbon fiber elements on the car and the wheels are, you guessed it, recycled.

With 20,000 reservations in the order book right now, the company is seeing good interest in a car that won’t see the streets until the third quarter of 2022. But this is according to plan.

Fisker understands that production, versus prototyping, is hard. Tesla’s Elon Musk says this almost on a weekly basis. It’s in an extremely complicated process that requires proper systems, technical partners, and of course, capital, to get right.

The challenge for EV startups, Fisker says, is how to ramp up and produce several hundred thousand vehicles a year — and not take 10 years to do it. This is where Fisker’s partner Magna comes into a play, with its capability to produce thousands of cars of year, coupled with new capital raises the Fisker has made this year ($1 billion through its SPAC IPO and $600 million in a debt offering), to invest in R&D and acquire know-how and parts from technical partners. It’s the only way startups can compete with the GMs and Fords (F) of the world.

“A car is made of about 1,500 parts or even more, depending on how many screws you count, and all these parts have to come in just in time. They have to be put together exactly at the right time in the right sequence,” Fisker says. “I think most EV startups underestimate that. it has taken the traditional car industry many, many decades to perfect this, and that's what they're really good at.”