Ask Me Anything: 2020 Hyundai Palisade AWD

[Drew Dowdell]

In the C&G garage for the week is the 2020 Hyundai Palisade Limited AWD with a sticker price of $47,605. This is Hyundai's newest SUV, at least until the diminutive Hyundai Venue takes its place at the other end of the size spectrum.  The first impression I got from the Palisade was how big it is.  Even though it is around 7 inches shorter than a Buick Enclave, it looks bigger and beefier. Being a Limited means that it is in top trim with only carpeted floor mats as an additional option.  It's powered by a 3.8 liter naturally aspirated V6 producing 291 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque and equipped with start/stop.  On my quick initial test drive I found the start/stop function to be unobtrusive and quick to restart the vehicle when I was ready to roll.  Another immediate impression was with the sound quality of the Harmon Kardon sound system. I hooked my phone up via USB and Android Auto took over, playing my favorite Pandora station loud and clear. 

Another feature I like is the video display in the dash when using the turn signal. It helps clear any blind spots one might have in this big SUV. 

So while you're stuffing your faces with turkey this Thursday, think of questions you have about the 2020 Hyundai Palisade and post them below.

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[USA-1]

Nice try, but it's an ugly take on the signature Cadillac front LED lightpipes. Like you said @Drew Dowdell trying to emulate Escalade. Nice try Hyun...?

So much for being "Assembled in U.S.A." like so many think about many of the foreign cars in this country. 91% Korean parts...Final Assembly Korea.

Where are the last 6% of parts from China and they didn't want to show it? ?

All in support of Korea if one buys it...????

[G. David Felt]

Have to say I love the Sierra Burgundy color. ?

Over all nice SUV, but I will stick with my Escalade.  

[regfootball]

While i can understand how it would be attractive in the market, I can't like this thing.  Anything Hyundai or Kia still reeks of faux to me up and down.  I would spend a bit more for an Exploder or a Traverse or Enclave or even an Atlas.  Just like I wouldn't get a G70 over even an Alfa or something, unless a huge discount was involved.

My wife is hinting at not wanting the next vehicle to be so large, or have the third row.  We must be moving out of that phase of life.  I will give credit to the Palisade for not being so ungainly feeling from a size perspective. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by regfootball

[surreal1272]

2 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Nice try, but it's an ugly take on the signature Cadillac front LED lightpipes. Like you said @Drew Dowdell trying to emulate Escalade. Nice try Hyun...?

So much for being "Assembled in U.S.A." like so many think about many of the foreign cars in this country. 91% Korean parts...Final Assembly Korea.

Where are the last 6% of parts from China and they didn't want to show it? ?

All in support of Korea if one buys it...????

Good thing American companies like GM build all their cars and make all their components right here is the good old USA.

 

Oh wait.

 

And “light pipes”? Seriously?

 

What should make you mad is that this looks better, on the inside and outside, than the Cadillac it competes with, the XT6. The most hilarious part here is that you didn’t mention the one MUCH MORE OBVIOUS thing that Hyundai copied here. The profile is almost 100% Tahoe (it can join the Expedition in that department). 

 

Oh no! Guess that makes me a Hyundai fanboy now! Oh, the horror!

Edited November 27, 2019 by surreal1272

[smk4565]

Is it better than a Telluride?  Palisade and Telluride seem to be the top 2 full size crossovers on the market right now.   I assume the V6 is enough for 90% of the people that buy this, but always wonder if a turbo V6 would sell, perhaps not to this crowd, maybe on the Genesis version.

I guess question 2 is should they make a bigger one to go after Ford Expedition and Tahoe?

[USA-1]

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

Good thing American companies like GM build all their cars and make all their components right here is the good old USA.

 

Oh wait.

 

And “light pipes”? Seriously?

 

What should make you mad is that this looks better, on the inside and outside, than the Cadillac it competes with, the XT6. The most hilarious part here is that you didn’t mention the one MUCH MORE OBVIOUS thing that Hyundai copied here. The profile is almost 100% Tahoe (it can join the Expedition in that department). 

 

Oh no! Guess that makes me a Hyundai fanboy now! Oh, the horror!

Where did I ever say GM builds all of their cars and makes all components here? Again, putting words in someone else's mouth. GM builds some makes in other countries because it's one way of getting away from the greedy UAW here.

GM is an American company so the money goes to a company based here to strengthen our U.S. GDP. Get it? So all of this CUV is Korean made and built which all goes to Korea. How does that benefit us here? It doesn't. That was my point that you missed again...

Drew D. has even agreed and stated previously that they are targeting Escalade with this CUV, as ridiculous as that seems on their part.

 

Thanks for noticing my post and taking the time to reply. It means the world to me! ?

[riviera74]

So when does the Genesis version come out?  No automaker can live on cars alone these days.

[USA-1]

4 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Is it better than a Telluride?  Palisade and Telluride seem to be the top 2 full size crossovers on the market right now.   I assume the V6 is enough for 90% of the people that buy this, but always wonder if a turbo V6 would sell, perhaps not to this crowd, maybe on the Genesis version.

I guess question 2 is should they make a bigger one to go after Ford Expedition and Tahoe?

It would have to be a BOF truck chassis SUV to actually be able to go after Tahoe and Expedition which Hyundai doesn't have. The one mid size BOF they had years ago Borrego or whatever retarded Hyundai name it was didn't sell well at all because it was a POS. 

34 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

So when does the Genesis version come out?  No automaker can live on cars alone these days.

Genesis needs to figure out cars before they can go after CUV's. New G90 is as ugly as they come. Horrible front end design and the back end looks pretty bland.

Clearly a mishmash of 4 different design cues of competitors cars.

Edited November 28, 2019 by USA-1

[smk4565]

23 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

It would have to be a BOF truck chassis SUV to actually be able to go after Tahoe and Expedition which Hyundai doesn't have. The one mid size BOF they had years ago Borrego or whatever retarded Hyundai name it was didn't sell well at all because it was a POS. 

Genesis needs to figure out cars before they can go after CUV's. New G90 is as ugly as they come. Horrible front end design and the back end looks pretty bland.

Clearly a mishmash of 4 different design cues of competitors cars.

I don't think it has to be body on frame, the Cybertruck isn't and can out-tow and out-haul an F150.    A 4x4 Expedition tows 9,200 lbs when properly equipped and a Tahoe is 8600 lbs.  And both those are like 6,500 lbs in standard set up.  A unibody Mercedes GLS is 7500, so we aren't talking huge differences, probably not something that is a deal breaker for most buyers.  Hyundai could make a BOF chassis, although I highly doubt they would bother, unless they are doing a full size pickup truck.

Genesis needs SUVs, they don't need to figure out cars, they could make 1-2 cars and throw 5 SUVs on the market, that is what sells.  I was actually thinking earlier, Lincoln will likely be an SUV only company by 2021, Cadillac by 2024 (maybe CT5 stays,  CT4 and CT6 will be dead by then), Lexus will be down to ES and LS, Infiniti the Q50 and Acura a TSLX class sedan.  I could see those 5 luxury brands making a total of 5 sedans by 2024.   And maybe NSX and LC stick around as halo coupes, but the American and Japanese luxury brands are going to run away from cars.  Genesis is wasting time in a dying market that the Germans have already won and pushed everyone else out of.

[William Maley]

1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

So when does the Genesis version come out?  No automaker can live on cars alone these days.

Not till next year at the earliest, possibly 2021

[USA-1]

3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I don't think it has to be body on frame, the Cybertruck isn't and can out-tow and out-haul an F150.    A 4x4 Expedition tows 9,200 lbs when properly equipped and a Tahoe is 8600 lbs.  And both those are like 6,500 lbs in standard set up.  A unibody Mercedes GLS is 7500, so we aren't talking huge differences, probably not something that is a deal breaker for most buyers.  Hyundai could make a BOF chassis, although I highly doubt they would bother, unless they are doing a full size pickup truck.

Genesis needs SUVs, they don't need to figure out cars, they could make 1-2 cars and throw 5 SUVs on the market, that is what sells.  I was actually thinking earlier, Lincoln will likely be an SUV only company by 2021, Cadillac by 2024 (maybe CT5 stays,  CT4 and CT6 will be dead by then), Lexus will be down to ES and LS, Infiniti the Q50 and Acura a TSLX class sedan.  I could see those 5 luxury brands making a total of 5 sedans by 2024.   And maybe NSX and LC stick around as halo coupes, but the American and Japanese luxury brands are going to run away from cars.  Genesis is wasting time in a dying market that the Germans have already won and pushed everyone else out of.

Still apples to oranges comparing this Hyundai to a BOF fullsize Tahoe or Expedition. Unibody CUV's don't tow anywhere near what a BOF SUV can which is why most buy them. So maybe a Traverse fullsize FWD/AWD 3.6 V6 CUV would be a better comparison maybe Buick Enclave if the loaded version.

Cyborgtruck is a very rigid skateboard platform to haul all the battery weight, just like any BEV, totally different platform compared to a standard CUV uni-body sub-frame setup, pretty hard to compare them as well.

The luxury segment will always need sedans and have buyers, the Livery guys love the larger XTS, CT6, LS, S Class.

So you think the Germans won't have to follow what the market dictates, but every other manufacturer will? LOL! They've all sold fewer sedans this year and last. MB is going through a huge restructuring, you know that dude.

[smk4565]

I am not comparing Palisade to a Tahoe, I am saying Hyundai can make something bigger than Palisade with a turbo 6 or V8.  I doubt they care to enter that market though.

German luxury sedans sell, they still do okay here, better than others, but they sell in Europe and China too.  Lexus GS, Cadillac CTS, Infiniti Q-whatever all rely on USA for the bulk of their sales and they don’t even sell here.

[USA-1]

Hyundai's don't have the reliability image to even thing about entering a segment that GM reliable fullsize SUV's dominate. Even Ford struggles to compete with the GM SUV's solid offerings. New Exped./Navi caught up, but the loyalty isn't there and EB V6 only in both is a horrible idea need a V8 option. New 2021 fullsize GM triplets will help keep the lead. 

BMW over MB in my book. Cadillac CTS sold pretty well here (2nd and 3rd Gen.) when comparative sedans were still selling well. Cadillac also has a dedicated factory in China and sell the ATS-L basically a CTS they call an ATS-L (long version) as well as XTS and CT6. They are opening new franchise dealerships in the UAE and Dubai to capture some of that luxury market as well.

Edited November 28, 2019 by USA-1

[smk4565]

3 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Hyundai's don't have the reliability image to even thing about entering a segment that GM reliable fullsize SUV's dominate. Even Ford struggles to compete with the GM SUV's solid offerings. New Exped./Navi caught up, but the loyalty isn't there and EB V6 only in both is a horrible idea need a V8 option. New 2021 fullsize GM triplets will help keep the lead. 

BMW over MB in my book. Cadillac CTS sold pretty well here (2nd and 3rd Gen.) when comparative sedans were still selling well. Cadillac also has a dedicated factory in China and sell the ATS-L basically a CTS they call an ATS-L (long version) as well as XTS and CT6. They are opening new franchise dealerships in the UAE and Dubai to capture some of that luxury market as well.

Hyundai reliability seems to have been stealing sedan and crossover sales of GM and Ford for years, thus why the Elantra and Sonata are still here and Focus, Cruze and Fusion are not.

Cadillac’s global volume is about 300k units, Audi, BMW and MB are over 2 million so Cadillac has some work to do in that regard.  Genesis even more so.

[USA-1]

2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Hyundai reliability seems to have been stealing sedan and crossover sales of GM and Ford for years, thus why the Elantra and Sonata are still here and Focus, Cruze and Fusion are not.

Cadillac’s global volume is about 300k units, Audi, BMW and MB are over 2 million so Cadillac has some work to do in that regard.  Genesis even more so.

It's not reliability that sell them. It's that they are cheaper with a longer warranty, that's what sells them and John and Jane Q Public who have no clue what they are buying, just that it's cheaper and has a longer warranty...that they'll need.

I never said Cadillac sells as many sedans as the German sedans, but they also lost a lot of their image in the 80's and 90's with horrible GM top brass making terrible decisions. I'm proud of Cadillac as a storied American brand and where they've taken in the last 15+ yrs.   

Genesis is a work in progress if it even survives, it's been on a lifeline for a few years now, wasn't making it as a Hyundai Genesis. There's a reason they changed the name dropping Hyundai from it.

[smk4565]

Genesis needs a SUVs and they’ll be fine.  The Palisade is better than the new Explorer based on reviews so make a luxury version and it will beat Lincoln or Infiniti or the XT6 and Genesis will have sales.

[frogger]

11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Hyundai reliability seems to have been stealing sedan and crossover sales of GM and Ford for years, thus why the Elantra and Sonata are still here and Focus, Cruze and Fusion are not.

Sure but outside of trucks and SUV's have GM's been lauded or notable for their reliability over other brands?

 

 

 

[balthazar]

13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I don't think it has to be body on frame, the Cybertruck isn't and can out-tow and out-haul an F150.    A 4x4 Expedition tows 9,200 lbs when properly equipped and a Tahoe is 8600 lbs.  And both those are like 6,500 lbs in standard set up.  A unibody Mercedes GLS is 7500, so we aren't talking huge differences....

Tesla outpulled a 2WD F-150 with a rolling start. But you forget there is a 250, 350 (& more) above the F-150 that could out tow 2 Teslas daisy-chained together. I know the Ram tows up to 35,000, or going on triple what Tesla claims; Ford is in that neighborhood without a doubt.

But the Tesla is marketed as a pickup, not an SUV. Silverado 1500 3.0TD is rated at 9300, but the 6.2 is rated for 13,400. 

Anyone know what engine was in the F-150 tug of war? 

Edited November 28, 2019 by balthazar

[smk4565]

3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Tesla outpulled a 2WD F-150 with a rolling start. But you forget there is a 250, 350 (& more) above the F-150 that could out tow 2 Teslas daisy-chained together. I know the Ram tows up to 35,000, or going on triple what Tesla claims; Ford is in that neighborhood without a doubt.

But the Tesla is marketed as a pickup, not an SUV. A 1500 Silverado is around 11,500, I think (which is under-rated), or quite comparable to Tesla’s claim. I haven’t seen the 1500 3.0TD’s rating yet...

The tri-motor Cybertruck would win a tug of war against a Super Duty F350, probably with ease due to the electric motors.   In fact, I bet the Tesla Roadster would win a tug of war with an F350.

[balthazar]

There is no tesla roadster, Musk shot it into space, remember?

[Robert Hall]

19 minutes ago, balthazar said:

There is no tesla roadster, Musk shot it into space, remember?

Maybe he was referring to the new Tesla Roadster due in the future.  Supposed to have outrageous statistics...like 0-60 in less than 0 seconds or something... ?

[USA-1]

54 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Tesla outpulled a 2WD F-150 with a rolling start. But you forget there is a 250, 350 (& more) above the F-150 that could out tow 2 Teslas daisy-chained together. I know the Ram tows up to 35,000, or going on triple what Tesla claims; Ford is in that neighborhood without a doubt.

But the Tesla is marketed as a pickup, not an SUV. Silverado 1500 3.0TD is rated at 9300, but the 6.2 is rated for 13,400. 

Anyone know what engine was in the F-150 tug of war? 

It's irrelevant with these tug-of-war games. It's always the truck to break traction first that loses no matter what's under the hood. If they were both 4WD with it engaged and they both regulated the throttle the same then it would come down to which trucks drivetrain breaks first...weakest link.

Edited November 28, 2019 by USA-1

[surreal1272]

19 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Where did I ever say GM builds all of their cars and makes all components here? Again, putting words in someone else's mouth. GM builds some makes in other countries because it's one way of getting away from the greedy UAW here.

GM is an American company so the money goes to a company based here to strengthen our U.S. GDP. Get it? So all of this CUV is Korean made and built which all goes to Korea. How does that benefit us here? It doesn't. That was my point that you missed again...

Drew D. has even agreed and stated previously that they are targeting Escalade with this CUV, as ridiculous as that seems on their part.

 

Thanks for noticing my post and taking the time to reply. It means the world to me! ?

Aaaaaaand.....triggered. 
 

Thanks for playing and displaying your continued inability to understand context. (Looks for Drew’s mention of the led piping and finds nothing in this article yet finds a fair amount of praise for it). 
 

And the whole “made in the USA” schtick is fake outrage when one realizes that they are posting said outrage on a device NOT made in the USA. And do you think the folks who work at the many foreign car plants in this country give two $h!s about where the money ends up? No. They are getting paid and putting THEIR money back into the economy. Now apply your “Made in the USA” motto to everything you own and then realize how asinine it sounds when you realize how hypocritical you are. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by surreal1272

[USA-1]

33 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

(Looks for Drew’s mention of the led piping and finds nothing in this article yet finds a fair amount of praise for it).

 

Aaaaaaand....this was easy to find. Anything else you need help with Errol Hassol? ?

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by USA-1

[smk4565]

3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Maybe he was referring to the new Tesla Roadster due in the future.  Supposed to have outrageous statistics...like 0-60 in less than 0 seconds or something... ?

Right the new Tesla, and it has rocket thrusters and like 7,000 lb-ft of torque.

[ccap41]

21 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The tri-motor Cybertruck would win a tug of war against a Super Duty F350, probably with ease due to the electric motors.   In fact, I bet the Tesla Roadster would win a tug of war with an F350.

It all comes down to traction and a dually F350 will weigh more with more traction. Both make plenty of torque. 

An 8500lb F350 would toss around the lighter Cybertruck.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15105555/2015-ford-f-350-super-duty-v-8-diesel-4x4-test-review/

 

[Robert Hall]

19 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

 

And the whole “made in the USA” schtick is fake outrage when one realizes that they are posting said outrage on a device NOT made in the USA. And do you think the folks who work at the many foreign car plants in this country give two $h!s about where the money ends up? No. They are getting paid and putting THEIR money back into the economy. Now apply your “Made in the USA” motto to everything you own and then realize how asinine it sounds when you realize how hypocritical you are. 

Many things are made in many places.  Commerce is complex.

[surreal1272]

20 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Many things are made in many places.  Commerce is complex.

That it is and that is exactly the point Captain America fails to see when he tags on foreign companies.

 

“Oh my god! This Korean owned SUV is made in...GASP...Korea! And that German car over there Is made in Germany! Wtf is this nonsense? Oh and look, there’s a domestic car that’s made in...Mexico! Oh the horror!

 

Its a world market and that means choices from all over the globe. If domestic fans want people to buy only domestics, then go ahead and say that capitalism is BS too because that kind of thinking is why so many industries have failed over the decades. 

19 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Aaaaaaand....this was easy to find. Anything else you need help with Errol Hassol? ?

 

Two things. I said on THIS thread and just because Drew says it doesn’t mean it’s 100% factual. He is merely giving his opinion and it sounds like that remark was meant as more tongue in cheek but hey, if you need him to help validate your endless copying claims while ignoring the fact that everyone is doing it these days, then bless your fragile little ego. 
 

(Goes back and looks at the XT6 and sees Audi cues on that front end but doesn’t post endless and pointless diatribes about how Cadillac is ripping off the Germans). 

Edited November 29, 2019 by surreal1272

[Robert Hall]

Yeah, global economy and marketplace.  My Jeep was built in Detroit but I think the Pentastar V6 was built in Mexico and the transmission in Germany.   My iPhone, iPad and Mac were probably built in China.   My Samsung HDTVs probably in SK....my sister's Chevy in SK.    Stuff is sourced from many locations.  That's the reality of the modern world.  

[USA-1]

Way left field with what I was talking about. Many fail or refuse to see the difference like Errol Hassol with products like TV's or smart phones where you don't have a choice in where it's made or assembled, which is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking cars, specifically this Hyundai CUV, that's fully made and assembled in Korea, the Japanese do it as well as the Germans obviously. Of course I know parts and pieces to many vehicles are made in other countries, I'm talking about having a choice between a car manufacturer being a Domestic U.S. based manufacturer where the money feeds our economy or a Foreign made and assembled make like this Korean CUV. For example the Chevrolet Corvette (engine and transmission included) that is developed in the U.S. by American engineers and assembled here in Bowling Green, Kentucky and shipped all around the world. So GM engineers have a job and Bowling Green workers have a job as well and people from here and all around the world feed the beast, (U.S. GDP) and subsequently strengthen our economy when they buy one, same can be said with many other GM makes and models as well as Ford and FCA. Where did all the pride in American Made go?! Yes, many things are still made here which is awesome and I for one buy American Made whenever I can!

South Korea would still be a third world country like NoKo without our great country feeding them and their economy and they know it.   

[USA-1]

46 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

That it is and that is exactly the point Captain America fails to see when he tags on foreign companies.

 

“Oh my god! This Korean owned SUV is made in...GASP...Korea! And that German car over there Is made in Germany! Wtf is this nonsense? Oh and look, there’s a domestic car that’s made in...Mexico! Oh the horror!

 

Its a world market and that means choices from all over the globe. If domestic fans want people to buy only domestics, then go ahead and say that capitalism is BS too because that kind of thinking is why so many industries have failed over the decades. 

Two things. I said on THIS thread and just because Drew says it doesn’t mean it’s 100% factual. He is merely giving his opinion and it sounds like that remark was meant as more tongue in cheek but hey, if you need him to help validate your endless copying claims while ignoring the fact that everyone is doing it these days, then bless your fragile little ego. 
 

(Goes back and looks at the XT6 and sees Audi cues on that front end but doesn’t post endless and pointless diatribes about how Cadillac is ripping off the Germans). 

Again trying to change the subject to all vehicles of all makes and models to run from the fact that this precious Hyundai that you love to defend "they are nicer than you think" is ALL Korean. You can't even admit it when the proof is right in front of your face. Drew was being serious because we have serious conversions unlike your long winded rants of "fanboy" stalking BS, talk about a fragile troll ego. ?

You definitely need glasses because the XT6 with obvious Cadillac signature design cues front to back that follow the whole Cadillac line looks nothing like an Audi anywhere on it.

[ccap41]

@Drew Dowdell

Palisade or XT6? 

39 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

You definitely need glasses because the XT6 with obvious Cadillac signature design cues front to back that follow the whole Cadillac line looks nothing like an Audi anywhere on it.

The XT6 is most certainly a signature Cadillac, FWD Chevy at the heart of it. 

[ccap41]

35 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Hey little sidekick he was comparing Escalade originally now switched to XT6 looking like an Audi to change the subject for obvious reasons. And @Drew Dowdell and I were talking about the Escalade. 

Well, I'm comparing similarly sized vehicles in an overlapping class. 

And yeah, more often than not, @surreal1272 and myself are disagreeing on things... We're as much sidekicks as the Yankees and Red Sox. 

I guess a common .. uhh .. thing .. can unite anybody.   

[surreal1272]

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Well, I'm comparing similarly sized vehicles in an overlapping class. 

But that LED piping! They are just ripping Cadillac off! Only GM is allowed to that! Don’t you see man?

[ykX]

I am not a big fan of Korean twins looks.  However, i have seen XT6 closely recently and it looks boring and pedestrian as hell.  I think Koreans have more character than the newest Caddilac.  It is a shame really.

[surreal1272]

2 minutes ago, ykX said:

I am not a big fan of Korean twins looks.  However, i have seen XT6 closely recently and it looks boring and pedestrian as hell.  I think Koreans have more character than the newest Caddilac.  It is a shame really.

It’s shameful that a Hyundai catches the eye more than a Cadillac but GM made their choice with the XT6 and have to live that stigma. It’s more than nice enough on the inside but about as exciting on the outside as 1970s Volvo. Hoping the next Escalade doesn’t share that same bring look. 

[ccap41]

52 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Denial is a MF'er...

Go and do a little research on the site. You'll find out how much we're sidekicks. 

Regardless, it's pathetic any Cadillac is even being compared to a Hyundai, not even a Genesis. 

[USA-1]

22 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Go and do a little research on the site. You'll find out how much we're sidekicks. 

Regardless, it's pathetic any Cadillac is even being compared to a Hyundai, not even a Genesis. 

Stating on your own that "surreal1272 is not a GM hater" in past posts makes it pretty clear, but it's cool no worries everyone needs a buddy, just choose wisely because...ugh.

Since Genesis doesn't have a CUV, then yes, that would make sense that they aren't brought up in this post. The pathetic part is it's Hyundai that is comically trying to compete and compare to Cadillac, and it's a poor execution at that. That's why @Drew Dowdell chimed in to agree that they are trying to emulate "riff" on Escalade, he hears from and talks to manufacturer reps in the automotive field to be much more in the know. 

GM has an XT7 RWD/AWD CUV based off the CT6 Omega platform planned as well, the XT6 is just a filler for now.

Edited November 29, 2019 by USA-1

[ccap41]

I can almost guarantee nobody representing Hyundai has ever publicly stated they are emulating anything Cadillac, and there's no reason to do so. Cadillac is making less and less competitive vehicles and Hyundai and Genesis are quickly rising. 

I don't believe they have an XT7 coming until I see it. It's been said they're trying to cut costs over at Cadillac and that's why the XT6 is on a FWD platform instead of Omega, like it was originally planned. That's also why the CT5-V isn't getting the new 4.2, nor Escalade. 

[USA-1]

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I can almost guarantee nobody representing Hyundai has ever publicly stated they are emulating anything Cadillac, and there's no reason to do so. Cadillac is making less and less competitive vehicles and Hyundai and Genesis are quickly rising. 

I don't believe they have an XT7 coming until I see it. It's been said they're trying to cut costs over at Cadillac and that's why the XT6 is on a FWD platform instead of Omega, like it was originally planned. That's also why the CT5-V isn't getting the new 4.2, nor Escalade. 

Yet, it's clear that they are "trying" to emulate Escalade, just like they try to emulate MB, Acura and dare I say Infiniti with design cues in the G80 and G90. I know other manufacturers copy some cues here and there from competitors, but Hyundai is pretty blatant about it. 

Yes, there are GM top brass bean counters who need to be slapped upside the head with some of the decisions they make. Yes, Omega was going to underpin the XT6. Most likely worried about cannibalizing the Escalade sales, especially with a new one being released mid to late next year.

[USA-1]

On 11/29/2019 at 3:16 PM, ccap41 said:

I can almost guarantee nobody representing Hyundai has ever publicly stated they are emulating anything Cadillac, and there's no reason to do so. Cadillac is making less and less competitive vehicles

Yeah not competitive, because the Escalade has dominated the fullsize segment for basically the entire 20 years since they came out in '99.

The CT4 and 5 just came out so you have no merit in stating that they aren't or won't be competitive.

ATS and CTS were very competitive as well and sold pretty well, XT5 has been a very competitive CUV and one of Cadillac's top sellers behind Escalade, also the new XT4 has been highly lauded by automotive journalists who have tested it and it's selling really well.   

Edited December 1, 2019 by Drew Dowdell

[Suaviloquent]

This vehicle has all the features that people want at a lower price. I don’t know what product planners at other makes are thinking, they’re pretty myopic just catering to their existing customer bases. This thing is out there for sure but it has the essence of premium ness that even Buick or some previous Lincolns like the MKT struggle to offer...at the right price. And then Denali is just a chrome package so how can this thing’s lopsided front be any worse?

Edited November 30, 2019 by Suaviloquent

[caddycruiser]

10 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

This vehicle has all the features that people want at a lower price. I don’t know what product planners at other makes are thinking, they’re pretty myopic just catering to their existing customer bases. This thing is out there for sure but it has the essence of premium ness that even Buick or some previous Lincolns like the MKT struggle to offer...at the right price. And then Denali is just a chrome package so how can this thing’s lopsided front be any worse?

SOOOO agreed.

Moral of the story, do every detail right, market it, show it, let people experience it, and keep the price point to a "wow, really?" point that keeps the demand up.

Palisade and Telluride right now continue to get converts from "higher" brands right now, and with demand, after a test drive, many continue to pay MSRP without blinking.

Not "wait, an Enclave is $63k? Huh?"

If only other brands could keep that picture going...

These are good. I like parts of both. The polish of the Palisade more, but the look, the less bubble gone bubble on a bubble front end, and actual gear shifter of the Telluride. BUT, like the option packaging of the Palisade more.

Edited November 30, 2019 by caddycruiser

[Drew Dowdell]

On 11/27/2019 at 6:26 PM, smk4565 said:

Is it better than a Telluride?  Palisade and Telluride seem to be the top 2 full size crossovers on the market right now.   I assume the V6 is enough for 90% of the people that buy this, but always wonder if a turbo V6 would sell, perhaps not to this crowd, maybe on the Genesis version.

I guess question 2 is should they make a bigger one to go after Ford Expedition and Tahoe?

I think this and the Telluride are so darn close that it really comes down to aesthetics and how much you like the interior of one over the other.  The interiors of both are very well done and show a lot of thoughtful small features.   The V6 in this never feels out of breath and the 8-speed is more than happy to downshift as much as needed to give you the power you want.  Would a Turbo V6 be faster? Sure, but I don't think anyone would really need it unless they were towing with it regularly.

Should they make a bigger one?  Yes, but they've probably reached the limits of size on this unibody platform. They'd probably have to move to BOF. 

On 11/27/2019 at 10:00 PM, riviera74 said:

So when does the Genesis version come out?  No automaker can live on cars alone these days.

The Genesis version will be RWD rather than the FWD this is. Totally different platform.

Could they get away with a Genesis version of this?  Probably. 

[Drew Dowdell]

On 11/29/2019 at 1:10 PM, ccap41 said:

@Drew Dowdell

Palisade or XT6? 

The XT6 is most certainly a signature Cadillac, FWD Chevy at the heart of it. 

Palisade I think.  Palisade has a smoother ride, just as much power, and a better finished interior... plus a lot more tech for the price. 

2 hours ago, caddycruiser said:

SOOOO agreed.

Moral of the story, do every detail right, market it, show it, let people experience it, and keep the price point to a "wow, really?" point that keeps the demand up.

Palisade and Telluride right now continue to get converts from "higher" brands right now, and with demand, after a test drive, many continue to pay MSRP without blinking.

Not "wait, an Enclave is $63k? Huh?"

If only other brands could keep that picture going...

These are good. I like parts of both. The polish of the Palisade more, but the look, the less bubble gone bubble on a bubble front end, and actual gear shifter of the Telluride. BUT, like the option packaging of the Palisade more.

I'm quickly used to the gear selector in the Palisade. I find it especially easier when doing a 5 point turn like I need to when getting the thing out of my driveway.  The only reason to go to the Enclave over this is raw cubic feet.  If you need the extra space, the GM twins or the Pilot are there.  But as a luxury vehicle, this out-Enclaves the Enclave. 

[Drew Dowdell]

I took this out on the battlefield of Black Friday shopping.  It has a surprisingly tight turning radius for such a big vehicle which makes it easy to park.  The automatic cruise control and lane centering make highway driving a breeze,  I just set the cruise to 65 mph and the Palisade tracked whatever the car in front of me was doing.  I only needed to use the brakes on the final pull into the mall parking lot. 

Getting up and into the Palisade is a bit of a jump. It could use running boards.  Lowering the third row happens electronically at the touch of a button and the seat lay flat. 

The digital dash is awesome, and I find myself using the turn signal even more than I normally would just to get a view of what is beside me. 

And yes, I do think the light pipes both back and front riff on the Cadillac vertical light scheme. I wasn't saying that tongue in cheek.  The interior riff somewhat off of Benz with the wide dual displays.

The Koreans are trying to develop their own styling, but some of it still is a homage to other brands. 

[surreal1272]

23 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I took this out on the battlefield of Black Friday shopping.  It has a surprisingly tight turning radius for such a big vehicle which makes it easy to park.  The automatic cruise control and lane centering make highway driving a breeze,  I just set the cruise to 65 mph and the Palisade tracked whatever the car in front of me was doing.  I only needed to use the brakes on the final pull into the mall parking lot. 

Getting up and into the Palisade is a bit of a jump. It could use running boards.  Lowering the third row happens electronically at the touch of a button and the seat lay flat. 

The digital dash is awesome, and I find myself using the turn signal even more than I normally would just to get a view of what is beside me. 

And yes, I do think the light pipes both back and front riff on the Cadillac vertical light scheme. I wasn't saying that tongue in cheek.  The interior riff somewhat off of Benz with the wide dual displays.

The Koreans are trying to develop their own styling, but some of it still is a homage to other brands. 

That very last sentence there is key. Were too derivative of other makes for years? Yes. Are they much less of that now? Also yes. Regarding the display, yes it is similar to Benz but if they would have done like everyone and slapped on a gigantic iPad in the center, they would been copying dozens. You can’t win either way. These days they are no more guilty of copying someone than any other make. 

[surreal1272]

@Drew Dowdell--And thanks for clearing up the light piping issue. My apologies for misreading intent. Having said that, your description of it comes off as a more honest and objective evaluation as opposed to the "Koreans are nothing but foreign junk that copies everyone" diatribes that polluted this thread. I personally don't think its that big of a riff but I can see some similarities. That does not change my stance on the fact that Hyundai and Kia are not unique in the borrowing of styling cues department. Thank you again for clarifying.

Edited November 30, 2019 by surreal1272

[caddycruiser]

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Palisade I think.  Palisade has a smoother ride, just as much power, and a better finished interior... plus a lot more tech for the price. 

I'm quickly used to the gear selector in the Palisade. I find it especially easier when doing a 5 point turn like I need to when getting the thing out of my driveway.  The only reason to go to the Enclave over this is raw cubic feet.  If you need the extra space, the GM twins or the Pilot are there.  But as a luxury vehicle, this out-Enclaves the Enclave. 

And there you have it...precisely. Great real review.

While everyone here continues to talk in circles about "stolen styling cues", they miss the point...these utes out-Enclave the Enclave. One of many examples. Credit where its due.

Such a competitive 7 seater market. All the better for every buyer, as long as they keep brand blinders off, and just try everything. "I'm better...no you're not...yes I am" segment worth test driving all.

 

Question...I've forgotten from my travels, and rentals. Does Hyundai/Kia side blind spot alert actually beep?

On, and you signal, beep that is. Still baffling why that's so different brand to brand.

Edited November 30, 2019 by caddycruiser