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Everyone knows I am an EV fan and supporter of the awesome technology. With that said, this is why I respect the power train and controller tech of Tesla, but will never own a Tesla as they build garbage.

Watch This Tesla's Rear Window Fall Right Out On The Highway (insideevs.com)

The owner of her new Tesla 3 has had to fight the Tesla service centers for warranty work and lucky she bought her Tesla with Sentry mode that records everything so they had to repair the window and she demanded it be done while she waited, still has other issues they cannot figure out how to fix yet.

Tesla, Over rated, Over Valued as a stock and clearly, Once gm, Ford, German and Asian auto companies start delivering their choices for EVs to the market, Tesla is in Serious trouble!

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Guess to counter the press, continued price drops by Tesla as their answer to keep sales going. $36,990 is the new starting price for a standard range basic Tesla 3 in black.

Tesla reduces Model 3 and Model Y prices, now starts under $37,000 - Electrek

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Here are the price differences for all 3 trims of the Model 3:

  • Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus – now: $36,990 – was: $37,990
  • Tesla Model 3 Long Range (AWD) – now: $46,990 – was: $46,990
  • Tesla Model 3 Performance (AWD) – now: $55,990 – was: $54,990

Tesla also dropped the prices on their Tesla Y CUV.

Here are the price differences for all 3 trims of the Model Y:

  • Tesla Model Y Standard Range – now: $39,990 – was: $41,990
  • Tesla Model Y Long Range (AWD) – now: $49,990 – was: $49,990
  • Tesla Model Y Performance (AWD) – now: $60,990 – was: $59,990

Interesting is that they say some of the newest delivered Model Y has the updated console that is now standard in the Tesla 3 and yet the online configurator even with the new pricing does not reflect the actual console change.

Tesla also has another big problem, Musk has always touted that their over the air updates keeps all models current on the same quality tech software. Yet even this story along with posts by Tesla owners shows big differences between Tesla X, S, 3 and Y. Clearly they are not able to keep all the auto's updated to the same rev so clearly some update issues too.

As I have stated, great pushing and leading the industry in EV power train tech and controllers and I take nothing away from that, but the Cheapness of how Musk runs things is showing in the considerable piss poor quality of fit n finish.

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I would want that Tesla powertrain in a  ‘68-‘72 Olds Cutlass with 4-4-2 body work.  

What is very intriguing is what GM did with the HUMMER EV powertrain.  Maybe...THAT powertrain would be the bomb in my Olds 442 EV. Keeping it all GM is alls Im sayin’. While possibly slapping Tesla butt at the same time. 

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Amazing how often Porsche are converted to a Tesla Power Train by EV West in California.

Top 10 Tesla-Powered Electric Car Conversions (insideevs.com)

Interesting video on what is inside a Tesla SuperCharger.

 

Interesting take on gm and EVs.

 

Cool read on the Icon converted 1949 Mercury which to me is totally Bad Ass.

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1949 Mercury coupe goes electric with a Tesla battery pack - Electrek

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Icon has done some amazing projects that they have shown off at SEMA, but it seems more and more now they are doing custom EV conversions and some very cool projects they are working on. Check them out.

ICON4x4 • HAND MADE IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA

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Love reading this article as it covers the Zombie 2-2-2 and the Lincoln Continental plus more. Very cool.

8 Classic American Cars Perfect for Electric Supercar Conversion (motorbiscuit.com)

 

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7 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Yeah...I thought of that last night...

You were fed a line of crap and you believed it, this is what purveyors of EV are hoping for, malleable minds.

The truth hurts (as the red ink flows)

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4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

There’s STILL Model T clubs across the country doing road trips- with 275 million IC vehicles in the US alone, it will never “dirt nap” in your KID’S lifetime. Sorry.

There are people that still ride horse and buggy’s too so that’s not really saying much. 

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3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

There’s STILL Model T clubs across the country doing road trips- with 275 million IC vehicles in the US alone, it will never “dirt nap” in your KID’S lifetime. Sorry.

So we have generational listing as follows:

  • Snowflake generation - 2011-2020
  • Generation Z - 1996-2010
  • Millennials - 1977-1995
  • Generation X - 1965-1976
  • Baby Boomers - 1946-1964
  • Silent Generation - 1925-1945
  • G.I. Generation - 1900-1924

Pretty much a portion of Millennials, most of Gen Z and Snowflake Gen care less about auto's and unlike the Gen X and Baby Boomers who did get involved in auto shop, auto clubs, etc. we do not have the interest or passion from folks born from mid 90's to now which will increase the quick recycling of auto's moving society into an EV world far faster than many realize.

Both of my kids and many kids their age in the mid 30's would rather have their trucks / SUVs in EV form than deal with all the liquids and other maintenance of an ICE auto. I do expect ICE to take a dirt nap in my kids lifetime!

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2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

You were fed a line of crap and you believed it, this is what purveyors of EV are hoping for, malleable minds.

The truth hurts (as the red ink flows)

(Had a response but remembered what Drew said about politics and refrained from handing you your a**). 
 

You don’t know how lucky you are here. 

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4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Holy SNAP! @ocnblu, do you even REALIZE how lucky you are?!? You better say your prayers tonight because you got luuuuuuucky! 

 

Obligatory alternative fuel GIF for relevance. 

Fordsocial GIF by Ford

Go crawl with each other and figure out where you went wrong.

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Very cool, Lucid released a video of their 22 module battery pack for EVs.

BorgWarner has released their first 800V electric motor for sales / use in Commercial rated auto's. Give 400 kW of Power with 1,270 Nm of torque or 536.4 HP / 936.7 lb-ft or torque.

Charged EVs | BorgWarner launches 800-volt electric motor for commercial vehicles - Charged EVs

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Mitsubishi Heavy Industrial Tools has been acquired by Nidec who will use the new division in production of everything that spins and moves in the EV industry. Namely they will be named Nidec-Shimpo division producing e-Axles Motors to start and will add in gearbox's and controllers.

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Charged EVs | Nidec to acquire Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Machine Tool to support EV drive manufacturing - Charged EVs

Sweden-based Volta trucks has moved forward with the Volta Zero in trials of their Inner City Commercial Delivery trucks in Europe with multiple US sourced suppliers. Proterra, the EV bus builder has committed to supply Volta with battery packs. Meritor will supply e-Axle motor units for the truck. With their funding secured and production started, it would appear that with having two major US sourced suppliers that Volta could be joining Kenworth and Arrival in the ability to supply class 6 & 7 medium duty delivery trucks.

Arrival has a deal to supply UPS a 100,000 EV delivery vans in the US starting next year. They are building their factory in South Carolina.

FedEx has invited multiple companies to bid in building them a Global EV delivery fleet broken out by region, EMEA, Americas, Asian and Africa.

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Volta readies electric trucks for Europe, with US suppliers (greencarreports.com)

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Microsoft has joined forces with Bosch to build a seamless encrypted over-the-air update system for auto's. A system that can be used in ICE or EVs.

Microsoft and Bosch join forces to create new automotive software platform - Roadshow (cnet.com)

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These two titans of their respective industries want to make the installation process of automotive over-the-air updates a quick and seamless process, no different than upgrading to the latest OS version on your iPhone. This new platform is intended to not only deliver a painless experience, but also give drivers quicker access to new functions and digital services over the lifetime of their vehicles, as car manufacturers make them available.

Safety is a critical part of this plan, and stringent automotive quality standards will have to be met, a process that currently complicates vehicle software updates.

I find this interesting and would love to see the engineering images of airflow.

Just as a golf ball with the dimples flys faster and better through the air than a smooth golf ball with no dimples. gm has explained the front of the 2022 Bolt EUV and the pattern on the front end that gives a better airflow around the auto.

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56 minutes ago, David said:

LOL the only substantive difference is the lower MSRP of the base model.  Where before GM was forced to rebate the heck out of these to move a paltry number per year, now it is priced closer (still $10k too high based on real world value) to actual transaction price BEFORE dangling the carrot of ginormous rebates.  Silly.

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The price reduction amount surprised me, and I do think it's going to gain traction with potential buyers. On that alone the Bolt could see a 25% sales bump. It puts the base price into a lot more folk's budgets. 

Tesla's micro-bumps are irrelevant. Base model drops $1000, Performance model rises $1000. Why'd Musk kill the 6-month old $35K Model 3, then do this? 

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1 hour ago, ykX said:

Ford F-150 Hybrid Owners in Texas Are Using Trucks to Power Their Homes

Ford F-150 Hybrid Owners in Texas Are Using Trucks to Power Their Homes (thedrive.com)

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Ford has also requested dealers in Texas lend out generator equipped F-150s to help out. Anything helps because it is a bad situation there right now and not everyone can fly to Cancun to escape it or afford a $60K plus truck to power their space heaters. 

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1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Technically, its the hybrid part that enables this with the battery. 

>>"The 2.0-kW system can be added to any F-150 equipped with the 2.7-liter V-6, 3.5-liter V-6 or 5.0-liter V-8 engine. When activated, the system runs the engine to provide power to the inverter and two 120-volt, 20-amp three-prong outlets in the bed of the truck. It operates while the vehicle is parked or while it’s in motion, enabling you to keep items plugged into the outlets in the bed that might need recharging as you’re driving to a worksite or campsite. It provides up to 2,000 watts of power for whatever you want to plug in. This is a considerable upgrade from what most 120-volt outlets presented in trucks currently are usually limited to 400 watts, which is enough to power portable speakers or maybe a small television at a tailgate party. But now with 2,000 watts to play with, you can theoretically power some speakers, a TV, an electric heater, a mini-fridge and a blender, perhaps all at the same time."<<

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The F-150 hybrid comes standard with a more powerful version of this system, putting out 2,400 watts of electricity. But unlike the regular F-150, it first uses energy stored in the 1.5-kwh onboard battery to power whatever it is you’re using before activating the 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged PowerBoost V-6 engine when that battery starts to run low. Like any standard generator, the engine boosts its rpm when a significant draw is detected — fire up a 1,000-watt air compressor and you might not notice a difference. Fire that up plus a circular saw, and the engine will start to rev a little faster to keep up with the power demand. 

But the ultimate system is the optional 7.2-kW version that’s offered as an option on the hybrid. Like the 2.4-kW version, it draws first from the battery before firing up the engine. But unlike the lesser versions, it offers four 120-volt, 20-amp outlets and one twist-lock NEMA L6-20 240-volt, 30-amp outlet and can provide up to 7,200 watts of electricity. That’s enough to power most people’s home fridge, freezer, computers, TVs, etc. Most RVs only bother with a generator in the 3,000-4,000-watt range. Ford says this kind of portable power built into a truck can deliver electricity to remote construction locations, enough to power all the tools necessary for a team of builders to actually frame a house. "<<

IN the TX scenario, one is GOING to use the IC portion.

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3 hours ago, ykX said:

Ford F-150 Hybrid Owners in Texas Are Using Trucks to Power Their Homes

Ford F-150 Hybrid Owners in Texas Are Using Trucks to Power Their Homes (thedrive.com)

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Very cool read, Loved the part where neighbors Generator required a 5 gallon refill every 8hrs and the Ford Hybrid pickup used a quarter tank in 72hrs. roughly using about 2 gallons every 12 hrs. Very efficient and glad some could afford the Hybrid pickup and use it.

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3 hours ago, balthazar said:

Even better. Was merely countering the "$60K" comment earlier.

Oh good grief. I wasn’t being literal and it should have been obvious. I was just throwing a number out there. Besides, in the context of what I was talking about, it doesn’t make a difference. Still $50K plus for a truck with a generator which most folks can’t afford given the situation I was speaking of in Texas. 

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On 2/18/2021 at 1:12 PM, David said:

Amazing how often Porsche are converted to a Tesla Power Train by EV West in California.

Top 10 Tesla-Powered Electric Car Conversions (insideevs.com)

Interesting video on what is inside a Tesla SuperCharger.

 

Interesting take on gm and EVs.

 

Cool read on the Icon converted 1949 Mercury which to me is totally Bad Ass.

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1949 Mercury coupe goes electric with a Tesla battery pack - Electrek

 

 

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On 2/19/2021 at 11:27 AM, balthazar said:

You can sticker a 4x4 3.5L hybrid starting at $51K.

Believe me, I have thought about it. 

But I still love the idea of a Chevy Trail Boss. 

May be an image of 1 person and text that says '"Anyone who has studied the universe knows that there is no shortage of sources of energy in the universe, and that there is no shortage of energy sources on Earth. And yet, here we are, crawling on the surface of this dot we call Earth, extracting caloric content that's buried in the soil, and when you look at that, you can't help but reflect on how primitive that behavior is." Neil deGrasse Tyson'

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Breaking News, with the support of the state auto dealer's Virgina is the next state to adopt the CARB standards from California with a focus to become all EV but with a catch. Virgina says they will not mandate at this time a set date of banning ICE auto sales, but will continue to work with the Auto industry and dealers till a time is reached that warrants banning ICE auto sales.

Virginia adopts EV-boosting California clean car standards, with support of dealers (greencarreports.com)

Charged EVs | Virginia to become the next zero-emission vehicle state - Charged EVs

According to this review, the best auto Toyota makes is their Hydrogen electric auto Mirai.

The best-driving sedan Toyota already makes is an electric car (greencarreports.com)

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IPT group acruires Primove wireless charging, having a complete portfolio of charging options that are wireless from cell phones to auto's. 

This tech originally started as wireless charging for mass transit busses and their first implementation was in 2004 in Turin for electric buses and is still in use today. Primove current commercial wireless charging is in use today in London and Madrid for both buses and semi truck charging.

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Charged EVs | IPT Group acquires Primove wireless charging technology - Charged EVs

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Tesla has played an on again off again game with the Tesla Y CUV RWD Standard range model that had less than a 250 mile range. As of the end of last week, it seems that Tesla has decided to kill it off quietly and that kills their cheapest CUV at $41,990 and now makes the long range model Y RWD their cheapest at $48,990 a $7,000 increase.

Interesting is that the Standard range RWD CUV Tesla Y was a head on competitor to the VW ID.4 that is coming to market this year. Now they are no longer a competitor.

Tesla Cancels Cheapest Version Of Model Y: Kills Off Standard Range RWD (insideevs.com)

Tesla stops taking orders for cheapest Model Y in hard-to-follow updates - Electrek

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Robb Report ~ Porsche is reporting its synthetic "eFuel" could make IC engines as clean as BEVs; that it is showing early promise to burn so clean -being a much less complex chemistry- that it could reduce the 'well-to-wheel' carbon footprint of a vehicle burning to to on parity with a BEV.

Aston Martin reported last spring that it, too, is working on a synthetic fuel as a valid alternative to expensive electric powertrains.

In 2020, only 3.2 million BE's were sold globally in a market that is 65.5 million - a take rate of merely 4.8%. 

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Exciting times we live in, eh? ;)

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19 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Robb Report ~ Porsche is reporting its synthetic "eFuel" could make IC engines as clean as BEVs; that it is showing early promise to burn so clean -being a much less complex chemistry- that it could reduce the 'well-to-wheel' carbon footprint of a vehicle burning to to on parity with a BEV.

Aston Martin reported last spring that it, too, is working on a synthetic fuel as a valid alternative to expensive electric powertrains.

In 2020, only 3.2 million BE's were sold globally in a market that is 65.5 million - a take rate of merely 4.8%. 

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Exciting times we live in, eh? ;)

It is an interesting read if you read what Porsche put out about eFuel.

Porsche researches synthetic fuels

A bit of a different take when you read the news media take on it.

How Porsche's new e-fuel plant could pave the way for guilt-free classic-car motoring - Roadshow (cnet.com)

Porsche is still moving forward with plans to have half their auto's they sell be EV by 2025. 

Seems Porsche sees eFuel as a way for ICE to last much longer but cleaner. One issue is that Porsche admits that for commercial fleets that need to reduce CO2, eFuel will not help in reducing it here. This is about having a sustainable fuel for existing ICE auto's.

Synthetic Oil, Synthetic eFuel, ways to extend ICE, but not really reduce cost of maintenance or simplification of power train.

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gm hit a mile stone with their Ultium project. The final beam was put in place for the 2.8 million sq ft Lordstown Ohio battery production site. This being a joint venture between gm and LG of Korea has some pretty cool statistics so far.

  • The Topping out was done from start to finish in 10 months.
  • 500,000 man hours have been spent so far on this building which is slated for a 2022 completion.
  • Building Frame Work is done using all USA made steel.
  • Plant is equal to 30 football fields in size.
  • Plant annual capacity of battery production initially will be 30 gigawatts with room to expand.
    • Tesla Gigafactory just boosted production to 39 gigawatts with a maximum of 150 gigawatts production in the current building as a comparison to GM.
  • GM is on a robust hiring process to get all 1,100 workers hired and on board for training in Northeast Ohio.
  • Cost of the Facility is $2.3 billion split between the two companies.

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Ultium Cells Surpasses 500,000 Construction Build Hours, Celebrates Completion of Steel Building Structure (gm.com)

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>>"Chinese scientists have used nanoplates that generate power from temperature changes to create synthetic methanol, which could be a clean way of removing CO2 from the atmosphere, as well as generating e-fuels.

The paper, published in Nature Communications, describes a process of using the ambient temperature change over the course of a day to generate electricity, used to combine carbon dioxide from the air with water in order to make methanol. 
Methanol (the poisonous form of ethanol or "common booze") can be turned into petrol whether it's made out of moonshine or cracked out of the air on a molecular level. The latter method is more environmentally friendly, as it both doesn't require crops and ultimately removes CO2 from the atmosphere, something we crucially need to do."<<

~ The Drive

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4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

 

Thanks for posting, as you pointed out, it does have a European flare and I think it will appeal to those wanting more of a European auto vibe than traditional American. 

How well it will sell, only time will tell, but I do think it will do a decent sales especially when you compare the fit n finish to Tesla.

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Benefits of electric over Diesel, seems it will improve knee quality of commercial drivers as regenerative breaking will reduce how often a person has to apply the breaks. Also, reduced medical issues due to breathing in the diesel exhaust fumes which are proven toxic.

Charged EVs | Another benefit of electric trucks: they’re easier on drivers’ knees - Charged EVs

Insights on Electric Trucks for Retailers and Trucking Companies | Center for Climate and Energy Solutions (c2es.org)

The link above allows you to download and read the large report, but the key take away were posted as such:

Key Takeaways

  • The upfront costs for electric trucks remain a primary barrier to investment in electric trucks. However, financial incentives can reduce these upfront capital costs and models indicate that the total cost of ownership for an average electric truck can be lower than a diesel or natural gas equivalent with adequate incentives. In California, for example, several programs support EVs including the low carbon fuel standard (LCFS) and the Hybrid and Zero-Emission Truck and Bus Voucher Incentive Project (HVIP) program.
    • One resource for finding incentives is the Alternative Fuels Data Center: https:// afdc.energy.gov/laws.
    • Several retail and trucking companies interviewed suggested that operators of California fleets should strongly consider electrifying at least a portion of their fleets to take advantage of the financial incentives available.
    • Electric heavy-duty vehicles have many tangible benefits, including several inherent health advantages. These include a much quieter ride than diesel trucks, making EVs less impactful on a driver’s hearing, and no tailpipe emissions.
  • As retail companies electrify their fleets, increased collaboration between a company’s energy team and fleet management team will be required to maximize organization-wide efficiencies such as procurement and energy management. Without collaboration, costs could be much higher.
  • Vehicle maintenance is still a concern. Companies need technicians who are trained for electric trucks and savvy on new electronic software systems. One retail company highlighted how they were using EV manufacturers to provide maintenance and support but suggested there was also a need build out a third-party EV maintenance network nationwide.
  • Communication between electric truck users and EV manufacturers is an important part of the process. One retail company who had conversations with EV manufacturers noted they were very receptive to feedback on usability and ergonomic design from companies who piloted EVs. This is a key aspect of the electric truck development process and can help with technology improvements and potentially accelerate the speed of deployment as manufacturers better understand what potential users want.

While not likely to come to the US unless it is a rebadge by VW, a new hot EV little Hatchback is going into production for Europe.

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Cupra New-Born specs:

 
  • up to 500 km (311 miles) of WLTP range
  • 77 kWh (net) and 82 kWh (total) battery capacity
  • 0-50 km/h (31 mph) in 2.9 seconds
  • fast charging - replenish "at least 260 km" of range in 30 minutes
  • "The Dynamic Chassis Control Sport (DCC Sport), which has been exclusively developed within the MEB platform for the CUPRA el-Born, is combining the sporty driving height of the car with a system that is adapting automatically to any conditions, offering a superior level of driving dynamics."

Cupra Confirms New Born (Formerly el-Born) Electric Hatchback (insideevs.com)

Genesis GV70e electric SUV is undergoing winter testing. Expected to have a 310 mile range.

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We Get Another Look At The Genesis GV70e Electric SUV (insideevs.com)

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