Chevrolet News:Corvette C8 Almost Sold Out Already

[Drew Dowdell]

When the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette debuted a week and a half ago, there was some speculation that buyers might not go for it because of its mid-engine design or its outworldly styling.  Well the nay-sayers might just have to start cooking up their crow.   According to Michael Simcoe, GM's Design Chief,  the orders have nearly hit the first year of production numbers.  "It's nearly sold out. It's so close that it's bound to be sold out soon." Simcoe said.

Now the caveat is that Simcoe has not revealed what the planned production numbers will be, so we have no idea if it will sell at a higher or lower rate than the C7 Corvette. 

The 2020 Corvette Stingray comes with a mid-mounted LT2 V8 making an SAE certified 495 horsepower and 470 lb-ft of torque when equipped with an optional exhaust.  In Z51 form, the car can hit 60 mph in less than 3 seconds. Pricing will start under $60,000.

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[G. David Felt]

Glad to hear this, yet I do wonder what that production number for this year really is.

I do wonder how long before GM adds a Hybrid or EV to the Corvette portfolio.

[riviera74]

24 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Glad to hear this, yet I do wonder what that production number for this year really is.

I do wonder how long before GM adds a Hybrid or EV to the Corvette portfolio.

This is the Corvette we are talking about.  Do not hold your breath.  A Silverado/Sierra EV is far more likely.

[Robert Hall]

8 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

This is the Corvette we are talking about.  Do not hold your breath.  A Silverado/Sierra EV is far more likely.

I have a feeling they designed the platform to be adaptable to Hybrid or EV down the road.  The competition are all offering Hybrid and EV sports cars...

[Drew Dowdell]

15 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I have a feeling they designed the platform to be adaptable to Hybrid or EV down the road.  The competition are all offering Hybrid and EV sports cars...

I forget where I read it, but the C8 was built with electrification in mind.  

[smk4565]

What are first year production numbers though?  

[G. David Felt]

34 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I forget where I read it, but the C8 was built with electrification in mind.  

Obiwon you seem to have remembered well, seems the frame is more bolted together than welded to allow for hybrid and electrification. Some very interesting reads as I searched for info on this.

https://www.gm.com/masthead-story/mid-engine-corvette-EVs.html

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/here-s-what-nobody-is-telling-you-about-the-2020-chevy-c8-corvette-stingray-ar186096.html

https://paultan.org/2019/07/22/c8-chevrolet-corvette-could-get-electrification-report/

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-chevrolet-corvette-could-get-hybrid-or-electric-versions

https://carbuzz.com/news/check-out-this-c7-vs-c8-corvette-side-by-side-comparison

[G. David Felt]

This is bloody beautiful as a pure electric C7 Corvette with 175 mile range, 789bhp / 700lb-ft of torque in a lovely blue color.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-ces/corvette-based-genovation-gxe-220mph-electric-car-shown-ces

[ccap41]

175 mile range probably turns into 70 when you're driving something like that the way it was intended to be driven. 

[balthazar]

Porsche is projecting 40,000 sales of the Taycan, but it's rumored target price is $218,000 (a July estimate, up from a December estimate of $130K). 

That'll combination of 'opposing' numbers will be REAL interesting to watch.

[Robert Hall]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I forget where I read it, but the C8 was built with electrification in mind.  

Yes, I read that somewhere also. 

[G. David Felt]

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Porsche is projecting 40,000 sales of the Taycan, but it's rumored target price is $218,000 (a July estimate, up from a December estimate of $130K). 

That'll combination of 'opposing' numbers will be REAL interesting to watch.

Where did you see this as everything I bing and google still has it in the 90,000 to 130,000 range USD.

[balthazar]

It was a conversion from Chinese market projected price.

I had thought that porsche made no money on their cars; that all profits came from their SUVs. If the panamera starts at $86K and makes no money, how in the world would porsche be able to hold a $90K price on an electric sedan?

$130K is much more likely if they want to turn any profit.

[ocnblu]

New rule at C&G:  every stinking thread has to include a post by dfelt mentioning EV.  EVERY.STINKING.THREAD.

[Drew Dowdell]

Every single car will have some sort of electrification in the medium term future. Most, if not all, new platforms coming out are set up with electrification in mind. Even if it is as simple as the Ram eTorque setup.

[daves87rs]

7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I forget where I read it, but the C8 was built with electrification in mind.  

Expecting that 500+hp C8 next year... ? 

[surreal1272]

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

New rule at C&G:  every stinking thread has to include a post by dfelt mentioning EV.  EVERY.STINKING.THREAD.

Is that similar to the “every time there is an EV article, ocnblu has to make yet another nonsensical trolling comment” we see EVERY. STINKING. EV THREAD? I mean if you’re going to talk the talk and get butthurt over folks talking about technology that you find offensive, then walk the walk. Again, at least his comment was related to the car in question which is more than be said for you right now.

 

 

Edited July 30, 2019 by surreal1272

[ocnblu]

I already posted my loving comments about the new Corvette in its introductory form.

Ram's e-torque is a scam that does nothing.

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

I already posted my loving comments about the new Corvette in its introductory form.

Ram's e-torque is a scam that does nothing.

Offer actual proof, not emotionally charged bias, of this scam. 

 

And your posting in the introductory form has nothing to do with what I said but then again, maybe it was over your head a bit. 

[FAPTurbo]

to be honest, i’m an electric vehicle owner and even i am sick of reading about electric vehicles being inserted into every thread especially since they are inferior to mine and tesla’s in general 

Edited July 30, 2019 by FAPTurbo

[G. David Felt]

56 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

to be honest, i’m an electric vehicle owner and even i am sick of reading about electric vehicles being inserted into every thread especially since they are inferior to mine and tesla’s in general 

So your saying you hate your Tesla and all electrics even though your an electric owner. Interesting, ?

Not enough fiber to clean out your stools then and so your plugged up and need a Petro Enema! Got it!  

[daves87rs]

6 hours ago, ocnblu said:

New rule at C&G:  every stinking thread has to include a post by dfelt mentioning EV.  EVERY.STINKING.THREAD.

Not true...Olds post stuff without EVs in it... ? 

Sadly my friend, it’s kinda hard not to talk about them when they are part of our future..

 

And as long as there are still plenty of ICE choices, I’m not sweating too much yet...

[ocnblu]

How are these companies trying to force EVs on a disinterested public?  By stopping the manufacture of everything else.  It's gonna look more and more like Mad Max out there... or Cuba.  And whether these obstinate CEOs (BARRA) realize it or not, they will suffer for it.

4 hours ago, dfelt said:

So your saying you hate your Tesla and all electrics even though your an electric owner. Interesting, ?

Not enough fiber to clean out your stools then and so your plugged up and need a Petro Enema! Got it!  

Sigh... no dfelt, that's not what he is saying.  Here, take my hand.  Let's go for a little walk and I'll explain it to you.

[balthazar]

7 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Not true...Olds post stuff without EVs in it...

Olds442 has apparently left the building. ?

RE EVs: the industry has 20 years of electrification in the books, and while the EV talk is ever-present from every corner, the consumer take rate is miniscule. It will be interesting to watch scenarios like VW, where they are swearing they'll be 100% electric in a few years. When your a start-up, that position is super easy to take (the books aside), but when you're one of the worlds largest; not so much. In today’s industry, that’s akin to corporate suicide.

An EV is not for me but I’m fine with them co-existing. But I have no concerns that IC vehicles are going to disappear in my lifetime.

[ccap41]

14 hours ago, ocnblu said:

New rule at C&G:  every stinking thread has to include a post by dfelt mentioning EV.  EVERY.STINKING.THREAD.

I mean, you're not wrong. 

Find a thread where he's posted in that doesn't have one comment about EV/hybrids. Betcha can't. 

12 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

. Again, at least his comment was related to the car in question which is more than be said for you right now.

No, his was a picture of an EV C7. 

[G. David Felt]

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I mean, you're not wrong. 

Find a thread where he's posted in that doesn't have one comment about EV/hybrids. Betcha can't. 

No, his was a picture of an EV C7. 

Plenty of threads in this forum where I have not mentioned EVs.

Wrong again Bucko, I first brought up  the question about I wonder if there would be a hybrid / EV option. Then Drew said he had read somewhere that there would be, I then searched and found from GM to other sites where this new Corvette was created to be an ICE/Hybrid/EV version all on the same platform which GM has confirmed pretty much. Then I found a cool story that I posted after all that of a company that takes the existing C7 bought without the powertrain and makes them an EV.

Now you have the proper timeline and what @surreal1272 was commenting about, go ahead and comment on that.

Thank you,

[G. David Felt]

3 hours ago, balthazar said:

RE EVs: the industry has 20 years of electrification in the books, and while the EV talk is ever-present from every corner, the consumer take rate is miniscule. It will be interesting to watch scenarios like VW, where they are swearing they'll be 100% electric in a few years. When your a start-up, that position is super easy to take (the books aside), but when you're one of the worlds largest; not so much. In today’s industry, that’s akin to corporate suicide.

An EV is not for me but I’m fine with them co-existing. But I have no concerns that IC vehicles are going to disappear in my lifetime.

I am fine not everyone wants an EV and there will be those that will die before they ever consider new technology, just a fact of life.

In regards to your 20 yr comment, in a country where there has not been supporting infrastructure till the last couple years and where most people drive large size auto's, the much smaller EV's have either been weird in style and design for the bulk of the public, too expensive as is all things when they start out and not really had much incentive.

We have had incentives that have gathered the public view, many hobbyist and early new tech adopters have bought and why Tesla still survives and we have major Governments pushing change.

So while you and others might view it as company suicide, others once normal looking EVs get on the lots to buy see it as a time to wait and then change over to a better way to drive, use of an auto.

If this was the old history of the early 1900's I get it and the electric died for a reason, yet today we have technology and fast changing on our side and I fully expect ICE to be replaced in many use cases within the next 10-20 years.

[balthazar]

We've had plentiful examples of 'normal looking' hybrid variants of 'regular' models, they don't sell. Looks didn't hold them back at all. Most of the EVs out, IMO, look fine (well; prius aside). They don't sell comparable to IC variants. Do you think that a -say- RAV4 is 'good (or normal) looking', and a -say- Bolt is not? 

Car manufacturers are in the business of (manufacturing &) selling.

'Company suicide' is determined, not by individual opinion; but the balance sheet (the reason for manufacturing & selling). Teslas are, as a whole, furiously expensive (and getting moreso WRT the raising of the S & X MSRPs). They sell semi-decently, but the company makes no money. Most of the recent & proposed full EVs are likewise furiously expensive, and they make no money. 

VW is between a rock & a hard place, and is doing high stakes gambling. If they think their customers are going to switch unilaterally to full EVs (and at what price levels??), I'd also like to know what data they're basing this on.

Edited July 30, 2019 by balthazar

[Drew Dowdell]

6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

We've had plentiful examples of 'normal looking' hybrid variants of 'regular' models, they don't sell. Looks didn't hold them back at all. Most of the EVs out, IMO, look fine (well; prius aside). They don't sell comparable to IC variants. Do you think that a -say- RAV4 is 'good (or normal) looking', and a -say- Bolt is not? 

Car manufacturers are in the business of (manufacturing &) selling.

'Company suicide' is determined, not by individual opinion; but the balance sheet (the reason for manufacturing & selling). Teslas are, as a whole, furiously expensive (and getting moreso WRT the raising of the S & X MSRPs). They sell semi-decently, but the company makes no money. Most of the recent & proposed full EVs are likewise furiously expensive, and they make no money. 

VW is between a rock & a hard place, and is doing high stakes gambling. If they think their customers are going to switch unilaterally to full EVs (and at what price levels??), I'd also like to know what data they're basing this on.

The switch is going to come more forcefully in Europe where cities are planning on banning IC cars in the city core. 

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Plenty of threads in this forum where I have not mentioned EVs.

Find'em. 

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Wrong again Bucko, I first brought up  the question about I wonder if there would be a hybrid / EV option. Then Drew said he had read somewhere that there would be, I then searched and found from GM to other sites where this new Corvette was created to be an ICE/Hybrid/EV version all on the same platform which GM has confirmed pretty much. Then I found a cool story that I posted after all that of a company that takes the existing C7 bought without the powertrain and makes them an EV.

Yeah, completely irrelevant that an aftermarket company turned the last gen into an EV. 

[Robert Hall]

Back to the original thread topic, maybe the 2020 C8 will be a short run, hence the 'almost sold out already' and the higher volume production next year will be for MY 2021.

Edited July 30, 2019 by Robert Hall

[Drew Dowdell]

5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Back to the original thread topic, maybe the 2020 C8 will be a short run, hence the 'almost sold out already' and the higher volume production next year will be for MY 2021.

I think there is a lot of initial excitement for it, also why sales of the C7 have been lagging... people knew the C8 was coming and were waiting. 

[ykX]

12 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I think there is a lot of initial excitement for it, also why sales of the C7 have been lagging... people knew the C8 was coming and were waiting. 

I see already up to 10k dealer discounts on C7 Corvettes.  Probably even bigger deals are coming this winter.  Very tempting, unfortunately even with these huge discounts it is still out of my price range.  Damn kids

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Plenty of threads in this forum where I have not mentioned EVs.

Wrong again Bucko, I first brought up  the question about I wonder if there would be a hybrid / EV option. Then Drew said he had read somewhere that there would be, I then searched and found from GM to other sites where this new Corvette was created to be an ICE/Hybrid/EV version all on the same platform which GM has confirmed pretty much. Then I found a cool story that I posted after all that of a company that takes the existing C7 bought without the powertrain and makes them an EV.

Now you have the proper timeline and what @surreal1272 was commenting about, go ahead and comment on that.

Thank you,

And once again, highlighting the importance of context and simple reading comprehension. Well said. 

36 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Find'em. 

Yeah, completely irrelevant that an aftermarket company turned the last gen into an EV. 

How is pointing out and EV example, after what dfelt and Drew discussed, irrelevant? Answer? It’s not. Again, context and comprehension. 

4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I mean, you're not wrong. 

Find a thread where he's posted in that doesn't have one comment about EV/hybrids. Betcha can't. 

No, his was a picture of an EV C7. 

See above response regarding the discussion between dfelt and drew. Who would think that there would be talk about the C7 in a discussion about the C8 (please not heavy use of sarcasm)? Now, if he brought up the Zombie Mustang EV, you would have a point but he didn’t so you are wrong. 

 

The fact of the matter is that at least dfelt speaks in a positive manner regarding the future while folks like ocnblu just offer up one negative emotionally driven response after another regarding anything to do with EVs. You tell dfelt to provide you proof of him not talking about EVs (which is asinine btw). Show us one EV thread where blu didn’t chime in with his normally trolling nonsense. Again, the fact that you are trying to criticize someone who makes positive posts against someone who speaks nothing but negative posts (even though no one held a gun to his head and forced him to troll EV articles) is absolutely baffling. 

Edited July 30, 2019 by surreal1272

[Drew Dowdell]

15 minutes ago, ykX said:

I see already up to 10k dealer discounts on C7 Corvettes.  Probably even bigger deals are coming this winter.  Very tempting, unfortunately even with these huge discounts it is still out of my price range.  Damn kids

Yea, the C7 is a great car to drive.  I wouldn't mind owning one once my powerball ticket hits. 

[Robert Hall]

I could see myself becoming one of those 65 year old guys in plaid shorts and golf shirt cruising around Scottsdale or Palm Springs in a Corvette convertible.   The scary part is that is only a little over 15 years away..  

Edited July 30, 2019 by Robert Hall

[balthazar]

I’ve never driven a Corvette. ?

Sat in a ‘62, ‘63 & ‘68, don't think any others. Must be doing something wrong.

Circled a bunch of C7s when truck browsing, pretty much felt it’s an incredible design, kinda sad to see the FE vette going away. Guess there would be no case to build both side-by-side. ?

[Robert Hall]

I've never driven one either.  I've ridden in a couple, though.  Had a coworker w/ an '85 C4 (with the blocky digital dash) and another w/ a C6.     Sat in a few at car shows. 

[surreal1272]

42 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Yea, the C7 is a great car to drive.  I wouldn't mind owning one once my powerball ticket hits. 

I got about 18 miles of wheel time on one last year when I worked at the Chevy dealership. Best part of it was that is was the manual. I was a little concerned initially about the clutch work with 450 HP under the hood but the clutch and stick were buttery smooth. I even managed to not bark the tires once. Having said that, I still wouldn’t own one because getting in and out of that thing (with my bad back) was an absolute pain in the ass. Could not do that everyday. 

 

Oops! Sorry. We are over here talking about the C7 on a C8 article. According to at least one person, that is wrong. ?

Edited July 30, 2019 by surreal1272

[Robert Hall]

1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

I got about 18 miles of wheel time on one last year when I worked at the Chevy dealership. Best part of it was that is was the manual. I was a little concerned initially about the clutch work with 450 HP under the hood but the clutch and stick were buttery smooth. I even managed to not bark the tires once. Having said that, I still wouldn’t own one because getting in and out of that thing (with my bad back) was an absolute pain in the ass. Could not do that everyday. 

Cool... With my back, hips and knees it would be painful...I'd be banging my shoulders/head on the roof.  So I'd have to have a convertible and leave the top down.  I would like to have a sports car for a fun car sooner or later, but definitely not a daily driver. 

[surreal1272]

2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Cool... With my back, hips and knees it would be painful...I'd be banging my shoulders/head on the roof.  So I'd have to have a convertible and leave the top down.  I would like to have a sports car for a fun car sooner or later, but definitely not a daily driver. 

Agreed. I don’t know how these old men can deal with them on a daily basis. Guess they are in much better shape than me lol. 

 

Funny sidestory about that dealership. Right before I left, a salesman asked me to move a $100K Z06 out of the showroom for a delivery to their Surprise dealership. Why couldn’t he do it, you ask? Because the salesman couldn’t drive a stick! It took every ounce of restraint I had NOT to revoke his man card, him being a car salesman and all. It took even more restraint to keep from leaving those back tires on that nice showroom tile when I drove it out. 

[Robert Hall]

3 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Agreed. I don’t know how these old men can deal with them on a daily basis. Guess they are in much better shape than me lol. 

I saw a guy in Scottsdale a few years ago, appeared to be around 80 parking a yellow C6 Z06 convertible.   Had the top down and a walker sitting in the passenger seat..opened the door, lifted out the walker, then got out.

[surreal1272]

10 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I saw a guy in Scottsdale a few years ago, appeared to be around 80 parking a yellow C6 Z06 convertible.   Had the top down and a walker sitting in the passenger seat..opened the door, lifted out the walker, then got out.

Just pure dedication lol!

[Robert Hall]

2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Just pure dedication lol!

I want to be that guy when I'm that age..still driving fun cars.   But I have to get in better shape.

[frogger]

Drove a C3, C5 and C6 for a few miles each, I don't have the discipline to refrain from hooning the latter two.

 

 

 

[surreal1272]

Back to the C8, it being sold out is definitely not a surprise and it perfectly explains the number of C7s that were still on the lots over the past year. Nows the time to catch a good deal on one if you have that much coin. 

[ccap41]

2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

How is pointing out and EV example, after what dfelt and Drew discussed, irrelevant?

Because it's another hack-job-aftermarket-company-EV- job done to the previous generation. Irrelevant because it is never going to happen. Any, literally ANY, car can be sent to a specialized company and have them throw in electric motors and batteries. 

Is it cool if I found an article on a 2013 Ford Escape where some company took the engine out and plopped batteries in and put an electric motor, or four, in it? Irrelevant, right? 

There are hundreds of examples like that, aftermarket electric companies swapping engines and fuel tanks for batteries and motor(s). 

If somebody did that to the new C8, that's a story and a pretty fun story at that. 

An no, I never got a boner over that EV Mustang. I'd, personally, never want a muscle car that lacks a V8. Dfelt and I have talked about it before. It isn't a Ford VS Chevy thing. it is an EV vs every single thread thing. 

 

[ocnblu]

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

it is an EV vs every single thread thing

Even if it starts out on the topic of puppydogs.  Or submarine sandwiches.  Ad nauseam.

 

I think Chevrolet is surprised at how well the C8 has been received.  Feedback ahead of the reveal was a bit negative toward the ME layout.  But the car won the world over when it reached the light of day.

I also read that the biggest reason a manual transmission was not engineered for the car... is lack of take rate on the C7 as of late... something like 20%?  I would think in the scheme of things these days, with all the ninnies who never learnt, that 20% would be a good percentage.  Oh well.

[surreal1272]

4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Because it's another hack-job-aftermarket-company-EV- job done to the previous generation. Irrelevant because it is never going to happen. Any, literally ANY, car can be sent to a specialized company and have them throw in electric motors and batteries. 

Is it cool if I found an article on a 2013 Ford Escape where some company took the engine out and plopped batteries in and put an electric motor, or four, in it? Irrelevant, right? 

There are hundreds of examples like that, aftermarket electric companies swapping engines and fuel tanks for batteries and motor(s). 

If somebody did that to the new C8, that's a story and a pretty fun story at that. 

An no, I never got a boner over that EV Mustang. I'd, personally, never want a muscle car that lacks a V8. Dfelt and I have talked about it before. It isn't a Ford VS Chevy thing. it is an EV vs every single thread thing. 

 

Again, in case you missed it the first time, it is a Corvette, regardless of the aftermarket job on it, so it is not irrelevant to discussions about the  Corvette. The same would apply to the Escape if it something brought up on a thread about the Escape. You’re just grasping at straws for some reason and making up your own criteria for what you find interesting (like your C8 example. It doesn’t make the mention of an EV C7 any less irrelevant. The point here is that this is a Vette article and it is not irrelevant to bring up other Vette models, aftermarket or otherwise. 

1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

Even if it starts out on the topic of puppydogs.  Or submarine sandwiches.  Ad nauseam.

 

I think Chevrolet is surprised at how well the C8 has been received.  Feedback ahead of the reveal was a bit negative toward the ME layout.  But the car won the world over when it reached the light of day.

I also read that the biggest reason a manual transmission was not engineered for the car... is lack of take rate on the C7 as of late... something like 20%?  I would think in the scheme of things these days, with all the ninnies who never learnt, that 20% would be a good percentage.  Oh well.

You do know what the definition of the word “Ironic” means right? You troll every EV thread ad nauseam. You are just trying to start $h! for no other reason than being mad at being called out for your ad nauseam BS. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by surreal1272

[Robert Hall]

Another angle to the no manual detail is they didn't want to a hole in the tunnel...also read there were packaging issues.   Also it's cheaper to only have to engineer one transmission.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-sports/the-real-reason-the-new-c8-corvette-isnt-available-with-a-manual-transmission/ar-AAF1wMm

Edited July 31, 2019 by Robert Hall