Q2: Ford Motor Company

[Drew Dowdell]

FORD MOTOR COMPANY SECOND QUARTER 2019 U.S. SALES
SALES BY BRAND	Q2	2018	%	Year-to-Date		%
	2019		Change	2019	2018	Change
Ford	624,396	650,303	-4	1,189,670	1,227,422	-3.1
Lincoln	25,940	27,807	-6.7	50,915	50,269	1.3
Total vehicles	650,336	678,110	-4.1	1,240,585	1,277,691	-2.9
SALES BY TYPE
Cars	110,195	140,226	-21.4	208,460	269,020	-22.5
SUVs	215,898	236,258	-8.6	428,984	439,185	-2.3
Trucks	324,243	301,626	7.5	603,141	569,486	5.9
Total vehicles	650,336	678,110	-4.1	1,240,585	1,277,691	-2.9
FORD BRAND
Fiesta	22,173	13,061	69.8	38,116	25,359	50.3
Focus	2,131	40,055	-94.7	12,480	75,101	-83.4
C-MAX	21	2,612	-99.2	38	5,401	-99.3
Fusion	54,668	43,802	24.8	96,351	86,978	10.8
Taurus	2,390	7,893	-69.7	8,121	15,540	-47.7
Police Interceptor Sedan	972	2,123	-54.2	2,871	3,993	-28.1
GT	51	27	88.9	135	67	101.5
Mustang	21,625	23,264	-7	38,542	42,428	-9.2
Ford Cars	104,031	132,837	-21.7	196,654	254,867	-22.8
EcoSport	21,507	17,514	22.8	34,386	23,610	45.6
Escape	72,398	77,277	-6.3	133,100	144,627	-8
Edge	33,314	35,394	-5.9	64,234	68,048	-5.6
Flex	7,206	5,269	36.8	12,763	10,144	25.8
Explorer	35,374	56,674	-37.6	88,680	110,805	-20
Police Interceptor Utility	4,527	9,228	-50.9	13,143	17,901	-26.6
Expedition	21,796	14,484	50.5	43,569	27,934	56
Ford SUVs	196,122	215,840	-9.1	389,875	403,069	-3.3
F-Series	233,787	236,947	-1.3	448,398	451,138	-0.6
Ranger	20,880	0	N/A	30,301	0	N/A
E-Series	11,560	11,612	-0.4	22,351	25,505	-12.4
Transit	41,265	41,061	0.5	73,107	71,412	2.4
Transit Connect	10,913	8,816	23.8	19,853	15,454	28.5
Heavy trucks	5,838	3,190	83	9,131	5,977	52.8
Ford Trucks	324,243	301,626	7.5	603,141	569,486	5.9
Ford Brand	624,396	650,303	-4	1,189,670	1,227,422	-3.1
LINCOLN BRAND
MKZ	4,674	5,316	-12.1	8,961	9,675	-7.4
Continental	1,490	2,073	-28.1	2,845	4,478	-36.5
Lincoln Cars	6,164	7,389	-16.6	11,806	14,153	-16.6
MKC	5,956	7,393	-19.4	11,743	12,289	-4.4
Nautilus/MKX	8,187	7,242	13	16,022	13,470	18.9
MKT	1,246	730	70.7	2,488	1,242	100.3
Navigator	4,387	5,053	-13.2	8,856	9,115	-2.8
Lincoln SUVs	19,776	20,418	-3.1	39,109	36,116	8.3
Lincoln Brand	25,940	27,807	-6.7	50,915	50,269	1.3

[G. David Felt]

Respectable numbers, what I would expect for the down turn in auto sales. Over all not bad Ford.

[Drew Dowdell]

I keep seeing Continentals around me.  Since I can't get a CT6 into my driveway, I should put a Conty on my shopping list instead. 

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I keep seeing Continentals around me.  Since I can't get a CT6 into my driveway, I should put a Conty on my shopping list instead. 

Back seat is so tight, anyone 6' tall or taller in your household will find it hard to get into and out of.

[Drew Dowdell]

18 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Back seat is so tight, anyone 6' tall or taller in your household will find it hard to get into and out of.

Not an issue here. 

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Back seat is so tight, anyone 6' tall or taller in your household will find it hard to get into and out of.

You exaggerate like none-other.

[G. David Felt]

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

You exaggerate like none-other.

Nope, the back seat is not spacious for a full size sedan. Head room especially is below average when I think of what they were in the past and even now. 

[ccap41]

Full of sh!t, per usual, on topics like this. 

*Doesn't like Ford* 

"The Continental is itty bitty and doesn't fit an adult human"

*Loves GM*

"XT4 offers plenty of interior space"

[Drew Dowdell]

The XT4 feels small as my Encore inside.

The Continental seems to hold its value better than the CT6 for some reason.  I can't find as good of a deal on a Conti as I can on a CT6.  But that CT6 wheelbase is so long that the Caddy will high-center at the top of my driveway. 

[ccap41]

4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The XT4 feels small as my Encore inside.

The Continental seems to hold its value better than the CT6 for some reason.  I can't find as good of a deal on a Conti as I can on a CT6.  But that CT6 wheelbase is so long that the Caddy will high-center at the top of my driveway. 

That seems odd because with low sales you'd think that means low demand as well.. I guess a lot of people just refused to pay MSRP for it. 

That's a bummer you literally can't fit the Caddy in your driveway. 

[Drew Dowdell]

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That seems odd because with low sales you'd think that means low demand as well.. I guess a lot of people just refused to pay MSRP for it. 

That's a bummer you literally can't fit the Caddy in your driveway. 

My Toronado scrapes the exhaust if I don't exit the driveway at an angle.   Oh well, time for a new house. 

[Robert Hall]

3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

My Toronado scrapes the exhaust if I don't exit the driveway at an angle.   Oh well, time for a new house. 

With my tiny garage and the stairs of the split level, I think I'm going to be looking for a new house sooner than later...more garage space and a single story ranch...

[balthazar]

5 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

My Toronado scrapes the exhaust if I don't exit the driveway at an angle.   Oh well, time for a new house. 

Guess that eliminates any exhaust-dragging toyotas from your driveway. 

[G. David Felt]

5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

With my tiny garage and the stairs of the split level, I think I'm going to be looking for a new house sooner than later...more garage space and a single story ranch...

I really like this Rambler with Mother-in-law suite.

https://www.redfin.com/WA/Brier/3010-Russet-Rd-98036/home/2649988?riftinfo=ZXY9ZW1haWwmcD1zaGFyZV9saXN0aW5nc19lbWFpbCZ0cz0xNTYyNjE4NjA1ODgyJmE9Y2xpY2smcz1ob21lY2FyZCZ0PWhvbWVfYWRkcmVzcw==&utm_source=web_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=email_this_listing&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=address

Have to say, pretty nice for a flat rambler which is awesome to not deal with steps.

[Robert Hall]

10 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I really like this Rambler with Mother-in-law suite.

https://www.redfin.com/WA/Brier/3010-Russet-Rd-98036/home/2649988?riftinfo=ZXY9ZW1haWwmcD1zaGFyZV9saXN0aW5nc19lbWFpbCZ0cz0xNTYyNjE4NjA1ODgyJmE9Y2xpY2smcz1ob21lY2FyZCZ0PWhvbWVfYWRkcmVzcw==&utm_source=web_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=email_this_listing&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=address

Have to say, pretty nice for a flat rambler which is awesome to not deal with steps.

That is sweet...love the central courtyard. 

[smk4565]

On 7/9/2019 at 9:29 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

I keep seeing Continentals around me.  Since I can't get a CT6 into my driveway, I should put a Conty on my shopping list instead. 

Why can't you get a CT6 in your driveway?

Oh never mind I read about the low scraping.  Probably the CT6 should have height adjustable suspension.

Edited July 16, 2019 by smk4565

[Drew Dowdell]

Just now, smk4565 said:

Why can't you get a CT6 in your driveway?

The driveway is so steep and the wheelbase of the car is so long that it will bottom out at the top of the driveway where it goes from angled to horizontal.  

I've tried with a loaner from Cadillac last year.

[smk4565]

I love the genius of Ford management, the Fusion is their #3 seller and up 10% for the year while the brand overall is down.  But kill the Fusion.  Once you leave a segment it is almost impossible to go back in.  I think someone at Ford read the Rick Wagoner "cut your way to profitability" playbook and thought it was a good idea.

[smk4565]

On 7/9/2019 at 12:59 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

The XT4 feels small as my Encore inside.

The Continental seems to hold its value better than the CT6 for some reason.  I can't find as good of a deal on a Conti as I can on a CT6.  But that CT6 wheelbase is so long that the Caddy will high-center at the top of my driveway. 

So an A8, 7-series or E-class or S-class which all have adjustable height suspension is the answer.

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, smk4565 said:

So an A8, 7-series or E-class or S-class which all have adjustable height suspension is the answer.

Sure, and they all have horrid enough depreciation to make it a feasible purchase.

The E-Class could probably make it without a height adjustable suspension though, the 300C and CTS do.

[surreal1272]

29 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I love the genius of Ford management, the Fusion is their #3 seller and up 10% for the year while the brand overall is down.  But kill the Fusion.  Once you leave a segment it is almost impossible to go back in.  I think someone at Ford read the Rick Wagoner "cut your way to profitability" playbook and thought it was a good idea.

The Fusion is up because they are basically sire selling them. Aside from that, they were not as profit heavy as their CUVs and not in as much demand overall, hence going bye bye. Quit trying to throw out phantom criticism when the reasons for it going away were pretty obvious. 

Edited July 16, 2019 by surreal1272

[surreal1272]

24 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

The Fusion is up because they are basically fire selling them. Aside from that, they were not as profit heavy as their CUVs and not in as much demand overall, hence going bye bye. Quit trying to throw out phantom criticism when the reasons for it going away were pretty obvious. 

Corrected above. 

[Robert Hall]

Speaking of the Fusion, sounds like the name may be on a new global CUV for 2021...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ford-resurrect-mondeo-global-mid-sized-crossover?utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=Enews Bulletin&utm_content=ACAR ENews Bulletin - SUBS AD V4 (1) 16.7.19::hero_image&utm_source=20190716

[ccap41]

That's a CUV? That looks lower and smaller like a "typical" hatchback. 

[Robert Hall]

6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That's a CUV? That looks lower and smaller like a "typical" hatchback. 

Evolution...a car-like CUV, almost a 'wagon'.   Reminds me of the Venza profile.

[ccap41]

1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

Evolution...a car-like CUV, almost a 'wagon'.   Reminds me of the Venza profile.

I was thinking the same exact thing with the Venza. 

[Robert Hall]

I would assume the Mach E EV will be similar to this...I think we will see more of these type of wagonish CUVs coming to replace sedans.. trans genre vehicles that are car like, and CUV like...maybe the Venza was too early.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Robert Hall

[Drew Dowdell]

Ford has stated that "the car silhouette is changing", it may very well be that they just make a bunch of tall wagons and hatches to replace their current car lineup. A Fusion in the vein of an Outback would probably do well. 

[ccap41]

And that seems to make sense. We want things that are slightly less car-like for the ease of getting in and out of and having a hatch for added utility and moving slightly away from the standard sedan body style is pretty much all that is. 

[smk4565]

If you took a current Fusion, added a 1 inch lift kit and called it the Fusion Cross sales would go up 1100%

[ccap41]

I don't think the Subaru Crosstreck sells 2 million units a year. 

[G. David Felt]

16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I don't think the Subaru Crosstreck sells 2 million units a year. 

Did a respectable 144K plus last year in North America.

[ykX]

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Ford has stated that "the car silhouette is changing", it may very well be that they just make a bunch of tall wagons and hatches to replace their current car lineup. A Fusion in the vein of an Outback would probably do well. 

Quite handsome I have to say, Europe only though (Ford Mondeo Active)

Edited July 16, 2019 by ykX

[ccap41]

I'm not doubting the respectable sales numbers. I don't think that is exactly the style of vehicle to light the sales charts on fire. 

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

I'm not doubting the respectable sales numbers. I don't think that is exactly the style of vehicle to light the sales charts on fire. 

It may not do in volume what the current Fusion does, but it will likely do it at a higher ATP.

A Ford Focus and Ford Escape cost about the same to engineer and build, but the Ford Escape can cost $10k more for the same level of features and still sell. 

[balthazar]

7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Ford has stated that "the car silhouette is changing", it may very well be that they just make a bunch of tall wagons and hatches to replace their current car lineup.

"I'll be working my way back to you, babe…" ~ Frankie Valli
- - - - -
Wheelbase : 112"
Overall length : 180"
Track : 56/58
Height :  … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … .. 68"

Edited July 16, 2019 by balthazar

[G. David Felt]

38 minutes ago, balthazar said:

"I'll be working my way back to you, babe…" ~ Frankie Valli
- - - - -
Wheelbase : 112"
Overall length : 180"
Track : 56/58
Height :  … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … .. 68"

Love this auto's style, just put on in-wheel hub motors and a proper 150 kWh battery pack and you have one hell of a Frunk and it will be ready to go!  

[balthazar]

You are free to do whatever you'd like to / spend what you want on your personal car. ?