GMC News: GMC Introduces Refreshed 2020 GMC Acadia

[Drew Dowdell]

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GMC introduced the refreshed 2020 GMC Acadia today. The bold new front-end design brings the Acadia more in line with the styling of GMC’s full-size trucks.

As with the GMC Sierra 1500 and 2500, the Acadia gains an AT4 trim level that will eventually find its way to all GMC models.  The AT4 designation slots between the top-end Denali and the SLT trim line. 

AT4 comes standard with a 3.6 liter V6 producing 310 hp and 271 lb-ft of torque. Power is routed to all wheels via a standard twin-clutch AWD system and a now standard across the lineup 9-speed automatic transmission.  Additional AT4 features include darkened finished for a more off-road look.

Joining the existing 2.5 liter 4-cylinder and 3.6 liter V6 is a new 2.0T engine.  This engine features GM’s tripower valvetrain that varies valve lift depending on driving needs and can deactivate 2 cylinders in light loads to give better fuel economy.  The Turbo is a dual scroll developed specifically with low-speed torque in mind. Peak torque is available from 1,500 to 4,000 rpm. This new engine has an estimated rating of 230 hp and 258 lb-ft of torque. This engine is standard on the SLT and Denali.

The 9-speed automatic introduces GMC’s Electronic Precision Shift to the Acadia. Similar to in the Terrain, a row of toggle switches on the dash acts as the gear selector thereby freeing up center console storage space.  

The Acadia’s infotainment system has been updated to the latest version as well. It features an all-new navigation interface with improved route guidance and personalized settings.  Connected Navigation offers real-time updates to traffic conditions and additional information from a cloud database. Connected Navigation is offered with a trial subscription.

Two new USB-C charging ports have been added, which including the existing USB-A ports brings the total to 5, allowing for more rapid charging of power hungry devices.

Also available options are: next-gen 15-watt wireless charging, a high definition rear vision camera, rear vision camera mirror available on Denali.

Trim packages on the 2020 GMC Acadia are SLE, SLT, AT4, and Denali with 5, 6, or 7 passenger seating available depending on model. 

The 2020 GMC Acadia will be built in Spring Hill TN and goes on sale in Fall of 2019. See page 2 for the GMC press release.

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DETROIT — Smarter technologies in the 2020 GMC Acadia, including a new available turbo engine and the latest GMC infotainment system¹, along with a fresh look, offer greater versatility for customers on the go. The lineup includes SLE, SLT, an all-new AT4 trim and GMC’s flagship Denali, with available seating arrangements for five, six or seven passengers, depending on the model.

“The 2020 Acadia is stylish, functional and capable with more of the smart convenience and connectivity features that customers rely on every day,” said Duncan Aldred, vice president of Global GMC. “And with GMC’s signature refinement at its core, the new Acadia advances the brand’s commitment to offering premium vehicles for discerning crossover customers.”

Design and technology enhancements on the new Acadia include:

• Bolder exterior design with standard LED lighting and signature GMC C-shape lighting, complemented with interior refinements.
• Introduction of the first-ever Acadia AT4 with more aggressive exterior styling and darkened finishes.
• New available 2.0L turbocharged engine that uses an innovative tripower valvetrain and dual-scroll turbocharging technologies to help optimize performance and efficiency in all driving conditions.
• New nine-speed automatic transmission developed to provide a greater balance of performance and efficiency, along with enhanced refinement.
• New Electronic Precision Shift that replaces the conventional shifter with an electronic control that frees up interior room, including a more versatile center console with greater storage space.
• Enhanced GMC infotainment system that is more intelligent and intuitive, offering new features designed to help improve the user experience and offer more personalization.
• New Head-up Display (late availability).

“With technological enhancements at your fingertips and under the hood, the 2020 Acadia is an intelligent crossover that elevates the driving and passenger experiences on all fronts,” said Aldred. “That makes it a smart choice all around.”   

Design and refinement

At a glance, the ’20 Acadia distinguishes itself with a new grille, new front and rear fascias and GMC’s signature C-shaped lighting.

An all-new Acadia AT4 expands the reach of GMC’s newest sub-brand. Its bold styling cues, including a black chrome-accented grille, add a rugged, off-road-inspired design to the Acadia range. A 3.6L V-6 engine producing 310 hp and 271 lb-ft of torque and a twin clutch AWD system are standard to the AT4. Unique 17-inch wheels and all-terrain tires are also standard, with 20-inch wheels available.

Additional design and refinement enhancements for the 2020 Acadia include:

• New 18- and 20-inch wheel designs depending on the trim.
• Outside mirrors with integrated LED turn signals (power-folding feature standard on Denali and available on SLT trim).
• Hands-free power liftgate with GMC logo projection standard on SLT, AT4 and Denali.
• Redesigned center console with enhanced storage space.
• Unique Denali interior color scheme with new, open-pore wood decor.

Innovative engine technology

A new 2.0L Turbo engine is standard on SLT and Denali models, expanding the Acadia’s propulsion choices for customers and adding a new dimension to its performance.  

It leverages GM’s innovative tripower valvetrain technology to vary valve lift across the rpm band, optimizing performance for varied driving demands:

• High valve lift for maximum power.
• Low valve lift for a greater balance of power and efficiency.
• Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation) disables two of the cylinders in light load conditions to optimize efficiency.

The tripower valvetrain complements the turbocharging system to make the most of the engine’s available power at all speeds. The turbo is a dual-scroll design developed to enhance low-speed torque delivery. Peak torque is available from 1,500 to 4,000 rpm, for an exceptional feeling of responsiveness.

The engine is rated at a GMC-estimated 230 horsepower (172 kW) and 258 lb-ft of torque (350 Nm).

Both the proven 2.5L I-4 and the 3.6L V-6 engines remain standard or optional equipment for the 2020 Acadia dependent on trim level selected. All engine offerings feature a stop/start deactivation switch.

New nine-speed automatic and Electronic Precision Shift

A new nine-speed automatic replaces the previous six-speed automatic as the standard transmission for the 2.0L, 2.5L and 3.6L engines offered in the 2020 Acadia. The nine-speed’s additional clutches and gears offer better optimized acceleration and efficiency, and engine noise is reduced during cruising for greater refinement.

The 2020 Acadia is the latest GMC with Electronic Precision Shift, which enables more storage room in the center console by replacing the conventional transmission shifter with an electronically controlled gear selection consisting of intuitive push buttons and pull triggers.

New GMC infotainment system and additional technologies

As connectivity continues to grow in importance for crossover customers, the 2020 Acadia delivers the latest GMC infotainment system that is more intelligent and more intuitive. It offers users improved voice recognition, a higher resolution touchscreen and a simplified interface that requires fewer steps for some tasks, along with simpler screen layouts inspired by the latest smartphone technology.

This more user-friendly system, with an 8-inch-diagonal screen, also incorporates several new and enhanced features:

• Personal profile allows users to tailor the infotainment system to their preferences, including audio, available navigation (requires subscription to compatible Connected Services) and climate settings, and even transfer those preferences to another GM vehicle with a compatible infotainment system. Up to four profiles can be assigned to the system and they can be assigned to the Acadia’s key fobs, automatically resetting the preferences for the incoming driver.
• All-new Navigation² interface with “one shot” destination entry feature, improved Route Guidance functionality and personalized settings.
• Connected Navigation³ offers real-time updates, as well as Predictive Navigation and additional information provided by a cloud database. (Feature requires a Connected Navigation trial or subscription and connectivity.)
• USB-C ports. Two new USB-C charging ports are integrated in the front and rear of the center console. That brings the number of ports in the Acadia to five, including a USB-A charging port for the third-row seating area.

Additional new and enhanced technologies on the 2020 Acadia include:

• Next-generation, 15-watt wireless charging (available).
• High Definition Rear Vision Camera⁴ upgraded to digital (standard on SLT, AT4 or Denali and available on SLE).
• New Rear Camera Mirror⁴ available on Denali.
• eBoost brake system standard on models with the new 2.0L Turbo engine
• Suspension refinements that enhance ride and handling.

The 2020 GMC Acadia goes on sale this fall, with production at GM’s Spring Hill, Tennessee, assembly plant.

2020 GMC ACADIA SPECIFICATIONS

ENGINES

Type:	2.0L Turbocharged I4 DOHC with direct injection and Active Fuel Management
Bore & Stroke (in. / mm):	3.26 x 3.63 / 83 x 92.3
Block Material:	Cast aluminum
Cylinder Head Material:	Cast aluminum
Valvetrain:	Dual overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder with tripower system
Fuel Delivery:	Direct injection with electronic throttle control
Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm):	230 / 172 @ 5000 (GMC estimated)
Torque (lb.-ft. / Nm):	258 / 350 @ 1500-4000 (GMC estimated)

 

Type:	2.5L I-4 DOHC VVT with Direct Injection
Bore & Stroke (in / mm):	3.46 x 3.97 / 88 x 101
Block Material:	Lost foam cast aluminum
Cylinder Head Material:	Lost foam cast aluminum
Valvetrain:	DOHC iVLC, four valves per cylinder, continuously variable valve timing
Fuel Delivery:	High-pressure direct injection and electronic throtle control
Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm):	193 / 143 @ 6300 (SAE certified)
Torque (lb.-ft. / Nm):	188 / 255 @ 4400 (SAE certified)

 

Type:	3.6L V-6 DOHC VVT with Direct Injection
Bore & Stroke (in / mm):	3.74 x 3.37 / 95 x 85.8
Block Material:	Cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners
Cylinder Head Material:	Cast aluminum
Valvetrain:	Dual-overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, continuous variable valve timing
Fuel Delivery:	Direct, high-pressure fuel injection with electronic throttle control
Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm):	310 / 231 @ 6600 (est.)
Torque (lb.-ft. / Nm):	271 / 373 @ 5000 (est.)

 

TRANSMISSION & AXLE

Type:	Hydra-Matic 9T65 nine-speed automatic
Gear Ratios (:1)	9T65
First	4.69
Second	3.31
Third	3.01
Fourth	2.44
Fifth	1.92
Sixth	1.44
Seventh	1.00
Eighth	0.75
Ninth	0.62
Reverse	2.96

 

 

CHASSIS & SUSPENSION

Front Suspension:	MacPherson strut with direct-acting stabilizer bar; CDC real-time damping avail. on Denali
Rear Suspension:	Five-link independent; coil springs with stabilizer bar; CDC real-time damping avail. on Denali
Steering Type:	Electric variable-effort power steering with Active Return Assist
Turning Circle (ft. / m):	38.7 / 11.8
Brake Type:	Four-wheel-disc, variable brake system with power assist; Duralife brake rotors and low-drag brake calipers
Brake Rotor Size (in / mm):	Front: 12.6 x 1.9 / 321 x 30 Rear: 12.4 x 0.9 / 315 x 23
Wheel Size:	17-in. aluminum 18-in. aluminum 20-in. aluminum
Tire Size:	P245/65R17 all-season P255/65R17 all-terrain P235/65R18 all-season P235/55R20 all-season

 

EXTERIOR DIMENSIONS

Wheelbase (in. / mm):	112.5 / 2858
Overall Length (in. / mm):	193.6 / 4917
Overall Width (in. / mm):	75.4 / 1915
Overall Height (in. / mm):	66 / 1676 (w/o luggage rack)
Track (in. mm):	64.5 / 1638 (front) 64.5 / 1638 (rear)
Ground Clearance (in. / mm):	7.2 / 183

 

INTERIOR DIMENSIONS & CARGO VOLUME

Headroom (in / mm):	Front: 40.3 / 1024 (without sunroof) 2nd row: 39.6 / 1006 (without sunroof) 3rd row: 37.2 / 945 (without sunroof)
Legroom (in. / mm):	Front: 41 / 1041 2nd row: 39.7 / 1008 3rd row: 31.1 / 790
Shoulder Room (in. / mm):	Front: 59.4 / 1509 2nd row: 58.7 / 1491 3rd row: 54.3 / 1379
Hip Room (in. / mm):	Front: 55.7 / 1415 2nd row: 53.3 / 1354 3rd row: 42.9 / 1090

 

WEIGHTS, CAPACITIES & CARGO VOLUME

Curb Weight(lb. / kg):	3956 / 1794 (2.5L – FWD)
EPA passenger volume (cu. ft. / L):	143.8 / 4072
Cargo Volume Behind First Row (cu. ft. / L)^:	79 / 2237
Cargo VolumeBehind Second Row (cu. ft. / L)^:	41.7 / 1181
Cargo Volume Behind Third Row (cu. ft. / L)^:	12.8 / 362
Trailering Capacity lb. / kg)±:	4000 / 1814 (3.6L with trailering pkg.) 1000 / 454 (2.5L) TBD (2.0L)

^ Cargo and load capacity limited by weight and distribution. ±Before you buy a vehicle or use it for trailering, carefully review the Trailering section of the Owner’s Manual.

 

FUEL TANK CAPACITY

19 gal. / 72 liters (FWD) 22 gal. / 83 liters (AWD)

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[Cmicasa the Great]

Love this refresh. My only issue with GM and its CUVs as a whole is that they can not seem to ween themselves off this mindset that 310HP is enough. This, the Enclave, Traverse, XT5, XT6, Blazer.. all deserve to have a TTV6 option available even it they tune it for marketing needs per division with Cadillac getting the highest output. Heck they can even do what they used to do with the Camaro/Firebird vs Vette.. where they put the Vette's HP higher on paper, but every dyno I remember said they were all kicking out the same power at the fly

Anyway.. Nice changes. Much tougher looking too. Looks better than the JGC now 

[Drew Dowdell]

With the 9-speed, the 310hp will be plenty for Molly McRealestateagent.  Even with the 6-speed, these felt fast.  I agree with you about the XT5 and XT6 though, those need at least the 3.0TT from the CT6 as an optional engine. 

[Robert Hall]

The real estate agent co

4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

With the 9-speed, the 310hp will be plenty for Molly McRealestateagent.   

That is funny....my real estate agent here had a '15 Cadillac SRX.    I think in it's past life, my GC was a real estate agent's vehicle..it was originally leased by a Costa Mesa property development company.  

Edited February 18, 2019 by Robert Hall

[NINETY EIGHT REGENCY]

I am pleased they fixed the Acadia. This is a vast improvement.  Sierra, Canyon, Yukon all look great now. They need to fix Terrain. 

 

 

[G. David Felt]

Crazy as I was curious about the 3.6L V6 performance modes and I see you can get for $5,200 a Turbo Kit that can be dialed up to 620HP giving you 11 second quarter mile runs.

That is just crazy. http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1230-performance-mods-for-the-camaro-v6-engine-all-sixed-up/

Yes this is focused on the Camero with that V6, but it seems that tuning kits can get you the following 26HP / 29 lb-ft of torque at the wheels.

http://www.kpe-products.com/shop/gm-ecu-tuning/gm-3-6l-di-ecu-tuning-with-module/

Considering that the Camaro is the Highest tuned at 323hp / 278 lb-ft of torque and the Impala is lowest at 300HP / 262 lb-ft of torque.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lfx/

One can imagine that this engine is easily capable of 400hp in a V6 when my 1994 GMC Suburban had 210hp and 300 lb-ft of torque. We have come a long way.

[Drew Dowdell]

2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Crazy as I was curious about the 3.6L V6 performance modes and I see you can get for $5,200 a Turbo Kit that can be dialed up to 620HP giving you 11 second quarter mile runs.

That is just crazy. http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1230-performance-mods-for-the-camaro-v6-engine-all-sixed-up/

Yes this is focused on the Camero with that V6, but it seems that tuning kits can get you the following 26HP / 29 lb-ft of torque at the wheels.

http://www.kpe-products.com/shop/gm-ecu-tuning/gm-3-6l-di-ecu-tuning-with-module/

Considering that the Camaro is the Highest tuned at 323hp / 278 lb-ft of torque and the Impala is lowest at 300HP / 262 lb-ft of torque.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lfx/

One can imagine that this engine is easily capable of 400hp in a V6 when my 1994 GMC Suburban had 210hp and 300 lb-ft of torque. We have come a long way.

That's a bit excessive for one of these... no?

[G. David Felt]

21 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

That's a bit excessive for one of these... no?

It might be for many people but then when has performance freaks ever said no to HP / Torque even if they have problems getting the wheels to hook up.

My point being is that you could take a New 2020 AT4 and with a new exhaust, cold air intake and ECU Tune, get a considerable bump in performance. 

Then you also have the Turbo kits that can add plenty of bang for the buck fun.

GM just needs to offer a Syclone and Typhoon edition of the CUV and Trucks.

As you and others have stated, the TT V6 in the CUV lineup and Trucks would do wonders for increased sales.

[Drew Dowdell]

eh. I don't think it would do anything to increase sales. Explorer Sports aren't a huge slice of the Explorer sales pie.  I would expect it to be even less so for a 3.0TT in an Acadia. 

[G. David Felt]

48 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

eh. I don't think it would do anything to increase sales. Explorer Sports aren't a huge slice of the Explorer sales pie.  I would expect it to be even less so for a 3.0TT in an Acadia. 

I think the Acadia Typhoon Edition TTV6 would help those looking for a sporty performance based CUV. This gives GMC some Pontiac EXCITEMENT! that would add to the Denali Excitement and AT4 Excitement.

I think GM is missing packages that would have the hardcore auto enthusiast talking about their product line.

Yes not many would buy a pricey Acadia Typhoon but knowing they have a performance version to go with the Off road version and their ubber on road luxury version would do them well.

[smk4565]

7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

With the 9-speed, the 310hp will be plenty for Molly McRealestateagent.  Even with the 6-speed, these felt fast.  I agree with you about the XT5 and XT6 though, those need at least the 3.0TT from the CT6 as an optional engine. 

 

7 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Love this refresh. My only issue with GM and its CUVs as a whole is that they can not seem to ween themselves off this mindset that 310HP is enough. This, the Enclave, Traverse, XT5, XT6, Blazer.. all deserve to have a TTV6 option available even it they tune it for marketing needs per division with Cadillac getting the highest output. Heck they can even do what they used to do with the Camaro/Firebird vs Vette.. where they put the Vette's HP higher on paper, but every dyno I remember said they were all kicking out the same power at the fly

Anyway.. Nice changes. Much tougher looking too. Looks better than the JGC now 

I would say 310 hp is enough for a Blazer/Acadia mainstream SUV.  But not enough for a Cadillac or a performance inspired SUV, to which they need REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!   Ford figured that out and Ford is mostly clueless.  Cadillac should have a mid-size SUV with the Blackwing V8, I'd argue the 3.0TT V6 isn't enough.  

5 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

eh. I don't think it would do anything to increase sales. Explorer Sports aren't a huge slice of the Explorer sales pie.  I would expect it to be even less so for a 3.0TT in an Acadia. 

I agree, people aren't going to pay $80,000 for a 500 hp Acadia, and there probably aren't many that would pay $60k for a 400 hp Acadia.  I bet Hyundai doesn't sell many N performance cars and Kia won't sell many Stingers because people aren't going to spend a lot of money on an average joe sedan or crossover with a big engine.  You need to use Cadillac for the big engines, where price shouldn't matter.

[G. David Felt]

18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

 

I would say 310 hp is enough for a Blazer/Acadia mainstream SUV.  But not enough for a Cadillac or a performance inspired SUV, to which they need REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!   Ford figured that out and Ford is mostly clueless.  Cadillac should have a mid-size SUV with the Blackwing V8, I'd argue the 3.0TT V6 isn't enough.  

If the 310HP or 323HP in the Camaro can with a Turbo Package get up to 620HP, then the TTV6 should easily beat that and be more than enough for any auto as I am sure they could easily add on another 300HP to the default HP figure.

[smk4565]

20 minutes ago, dfelt said:

If the 310HP or 323HP in the Camaro can with a Turbo Package get up to 620HP, then the TTV6 should easily beat that and be more than enough for any auto as I am sure they could easily add on another 300HP to the default HP figure.

I suppose GM could get 600 hp out of a 3 liter TT V6 but what will warranty costs and reliability of that be like?  And what do you put that in?  You can't put that in a front drive crossover and I imagine the AWD system in the Acadia or Enclave can't handle 400 lb-ft of torque let alone 600.  And that would cost a lot.  Which goes back to needing a rear drive Cadillac platform with an AWD system and transmission that can handle that much power.

[G. David Felt]

10 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I suppose GM could get 600 hp out of a 3 liter TT V6 but what will warranty costs and reliability of that be like?  And what do you put that in?  You can't put that in a front drive crossover and I imagine the AWD system in the Acadia or Enclave can't handle 400 lb-ft of torque let alone 600.  And that would cost a lot.  Which goes back to needing a rear drive Cadillac platform with an AWD system and transmission that can handle that much power.

Cadillac has that coming in the form of BEV3 EVs. Covered.

[Cmicasa the Great]

15 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I suppose GM could get 600 hp out of a 3 liter TT V6 but what will warranty costs and reliability of that be like?  And what do you put that in?  You can't put that in a front drive crossover and I imagine the AWD system in the Acadia or Enclave can't handle 400 lb-ft of torque let alone 600.  And that would cost a lot.  Which goes back to needing a rear drive Cadillac platform with an AWD system and transmission that can handle that much power.

The XT6 is not the end game for Cadillac CUVs. We know that there is another one coming soon and most likely its RWD based. There are models planned to be over both the CT6 and the XT6, and we could see them in mule form in a few months, if not by Summer of this year. I am convinced that these will be RWD based with the first BEV debuting soon after or simultaneously. 

[Drew Dowdell]

11 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

The XT6 is not the end game for Cadillac CUVs. We know that there is another one coming soon and most likely its RWD based. There are models planned to be over both the CT6 and the XT6, and we could see them in mule form in a few months, if not by Summer of this year. I am convinced that these will be RWD based with the first BEV debuting soon after or simultaneously. 

The next big SUV is the new Escalade. Yes it will still be RWD.

[riviera74]

2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The next big SUV is the new Escalade. Yes it will still be RWD.

That is interesting.  Why does Cadillac lack a Tahoe/Yukon to its Suburban/Yukon XL?

[G. David Felt]

Just now, riviera74 said:

That is interesting.  Why does Cadillac lack a Tahoe/Yukon to its Suburban/Yukon XL?

Tahoe, Yukon and Escalade in short base form.

Suburban, Yukon XL and Escalade ESV in long base form.

[Drew Dowdell]

5 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

That is interesting.  Why does Cadillac lack a Tahoe/Yukon to its Suburban/Yukon XL?

Cadillac has Escalade and Escalade ESV. Escalade/Tahoe/Yukon are the same size.  Suburban/Yukon XL/Escalade ESV are the same size. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The next big SUV is the new Escalade. Yes it will still be RWD.

Big SUV, not CUV. 

[Drew Dowdell]

Just now, Cmicasa the Great said:

Big SUV, not CUV. 

The only room I see is if they do an XT7 on a Traverse wheelbase (the XT6 is on the Acadia wheelbase)  But like @balthazar I would ask if we really need another crossover for every 2" in exterior length?

[Cmicasa the Great]

1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The only room I see is if they do an XT7 on a Traverse wheelbase (the XT6 is on the Acadia wheelbase)  But like @balthazar I would ask if we really need another crossover for every 2" in exterior length?

Yes. And from what I was told the XT7(?) is going to be on Omega not C1xx and compliment the CT6 or above vehicle in 2021. 

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Yes. And from what I was told the XT7(?) is going to be on Omega not C1xx and compliment the CT6 or above vehicle in 2021. 

That's not what I've understood. It's going to be just another Traverse/Enclave clone. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

That's not what I've understood. It's going to be just another Traverse/Enclave clone. 

Well we'll see. I'm waiting to trade the V in for the CT6-V and the Yukon for the Slade anyway so I guess its no effect on my either way

[Drew Dowdell]

Just now, Cmicasa the Great said:

Well we'll see. I'm waiting to trade the V in for the CT6-V and the Yukon for the Slade anyway so I guess its no effect on my either way

The new Escalade is supposed to have an Escala inspired interior.  I'll meet you in Baltimore when you pick up the CT6-V

[Cmicasa the Great]

4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The new Escalade is supposed to have an Escala inspired interior.  I'll meet you in Baltimore when you pick up the CT6-V

Yeah I heard the interior of the Escalade is supposed to be magnificent  and no compromises. And yeah.. when I get the CT6-V.. cool.. U buying. Lagavulin 16 is my new thing

[smk4565]

37 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Yes. And from what I was told the XT7(?) is going to be on Omega not C1xx and compliment the CT6 or above vehicle in 2021. 

Let's hope.  

We can go on about horsepower and engines all day, but you need the chassis and AWD system for it.  The Omega platform seems able to do all that.  But they have to use it more and get away from the FWD Chi, Lambda stuff.

[smk4565]

32 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Yeah I heard the interior of the Escalade is supposed to be magnificent  and no compromises. And yeah.. when I get the CT6-V.. cool.. U buying. Lagavulin 16 is my new thing

I wonder how far they can push the Escalade with the Tahoe underpinnings and whether or not an Omega SUV could go above Escalade and be more luxurious (and better performing).  

I do think they should make an Executive package for the Escalade that is a 4-seater with lay flat rear seats, refrigerator, tray tables, etc.  With the 3rd row seats gone you can move the 2nd row back a foot and have massive leg room.

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

I wonder how far they can push the Escalade with the Tahoe underpinnings and whether or not an Omega SUV could go above Escalade and be more luxurious (and better performing).  

I do think they should make an Executive package for the Escalade that is a 4-seater with lay flat rear seats, refrigerator, tray tables, etc.  With the 3rd row seats gone you can move the 2nd row back a foot and have massive leg room.

Considering what MB has done with the G-Wagon for so long, I see no problem with ubber luxury and executive packaged Escalades along with a proper V edition.

[smk4565]

9 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Considering what MB has done with the G-Wagon for so long, I see no problem with ubber luxury and executive packaged Escalades along with a proper V edition.

The G-wagen isn't Mercedes best performing or most luxury SUV though.  It is the best off road, but when the Maybach GLS arrives that will be the luxury king.  The GLC63 has the Nurburgring record for an SUV, the GLE63 I could see challenging it. 

The Escalade being large that back seat executive experience possible, but will they put independent rear suspension on an Escalade if a Tahoe doesn't have it?  Will they get a glass roof in there, which they have said isn't possible on the current chassis, will they not recycle gear shifters, window switchgear, etc.  Time will tell, but you can only go so far when you start with a Tahoe, I'd rather start with a CT6-V and upgrade that to an SUV.

[regfootball]

2020 ACADIA???

[G. David Felt]

44 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The G-wagen isn't Mercedes best performing or most luxury SUV though.  It is the best off road, but when the Maybach GLS arrives that will be the luxury king.  The GLC63 has the Nurburgring record for an SUV, the GLE63 I could see challenging it. 

The Escalade being large that back seat executive experience possible, but will they put independent rear suspension on an Escalade if a Tahoe doesn't have it?  Will they get a glass roof in there, which they have said isn't possible on the current chassis, will they not recycle gear shifters, window switchgear, etc.  Time will tell, but you can only go so far when you start with a Tahoe, I'd rather start with a CT6-V and upgrade that to an SUV.

According to all the news outlets, the Suburban/Yukon XL and Escalade ESV plus their Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade will have IRS plus so much more. There is talk of a Hybrid coming back and a Diesel version.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/05/2020-suburban-independent-rear-suspension/

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/new-2020-chevy-suburban-prototype-tries-hide-independent-rear-suspension/

https://suvtrend.com/gmc/2020-gmc-yukon/

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a20888486/2020-chevrolet-suburban-will-feature-independent-rear-suspension/

[regfootball]

the turbo four is the new one, from the Cadillac.  It's power is down here from the venerable older 2.0.  Just like it is when they switched and put the new one in the CT6.  A curious decision, But,

TRIPOWER!

Edited February 19, 2019 by regfootball

[daves87rs]

Yes sir, I like it...

[Cmicasa the Great]

9 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I wonder how far they can push the Escalade with the Tahoe underpinnings and whether or not an Omega SUV could go above Escalade and be more luxurious (and better performing).  

I do think they should make an Executive package for the Escalade that is a 4-seater with lay flat rear seats, refrigerator, tray tables, etc.  With the 3rd row seats gone you can move the 2nd row back a foot and have massive leg room.

What does that mean? The Tahoe is damn near luxury in its own.. The next generation will be even more so. Remember that a Tahoe Premieris priced like a GLS. 

6 hours ago, regfootball said:

the turbo four is the new one, from the Cadillac.  It's power is down here from the venerable older 2.0.  Just like it is when they switched and put the new one in the CT6.  A curious decision, But,

TRIPOWER!

Great question. It was my understanding that it's about total efficiency. The peak torque for instance... 90% of peak torque is coming in at just 1,600 rpm and lasting all the way thru 5000, about 100rpm sooner than the previous. Meaning throttle response is immediate. BTW I could have swore this engine's HP/torque is rated using 87 where as the old ones were rated using 91-93. Don't quote me on that, but I truly believe that I read that. I can tell U that the the difference in response between using 87 and 93 in the Cruze 1.4 is Real.

[Drew Dowdell]

10 hours ago, regfootball said:

the turbo four is the new one, from the Cadillac.  It's power is down here from the venerable older 2.0.  Just like it is when they switched and put the new one in the CT6.  A curious decision, But,

TRIPOWER!

It's supposed to have been tuned for much better low end torque.  Good for a 9-speed auto I would imagine. 

[G. David Felt]

4 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Great question. It was my understanding that it's about total efficiency. The peak torque for instance... 90% of peak torque is coming in at just 1,600 rpm and lasting all the way thru 5000, about 100rpm sooner than the previous. Meaning throttle response is immediate. BTW I could have swore this engine's HP/torque is rated using 87 where as the old ones were rated using 91-93. Don't quote me on that, but I truly believe that I read that. I can tell U that the the difference in response between using 87 and 93 in the Cruze 1.4 is Real.

You are correct, the original 2.0 Turbo for Cadillac is rated at 93 octane for it's HP / Torque figures and produces less when on 87, but Cadillac does strongly recommend you stay with Premium fuel. 

This updated Turbo 4 is tuned for 87 from the beginning.

[Cmicasa the Great]

57 minutes ago, dfelt said:

You are correct, the original 2.0 Turbo for Cadillac is rated at 93 octane for it's HP / Torque figures and produces less when on 87, but Cadillac does strongly recommend you stay with Premium fuel. 

This updated Turbo 4 is tuned for 87 from the beginning.

Figured.. Its actually quite interesting.. and like I said before the Cruze's 1.4L  runs fine with 87, but gets better fuel economy and has waaay more pick-up with 93 as we don't have 91 around these parts

[ccap41]

On 2/18/2019 at 11:25 AM, dfelt said:

It might be for many people but then when has performance freaks ever said no to HP / Torque even if they have problems getting the wheels to hook up.

My point being is that you could take a New 2020 AT4 and with a new exhaust, cold air intake and ECU Tune, get a considerable bump in performance. 

Then you also have the Turbo kits that can add plenty of bang for the buck fun.

GM just needs to offer a Syclone and Typhoon edition of the CUV and Trucks.

As you and others have stated, the TT V6 in the CUV lineup and Trucks would do wonders for increased sales.

Nothing will compare dollar for dollar to an OE turbo car though.

Simple tunes yield pretty massive gains. 

Edge ST Tune

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Figured.. Its actually quite interesting.. and like I said before the Cruze's 1.4L  runs fine with 87, but gets better fuel economy and has waaay more pick-up with 93 as we don't have 91 around these parts

I hear the East coast has 93, but west coast is all 91, very weird. I still think most auto's only need regular to still offer an amazing ride.

[Robert Hall]

38 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I hear the East coast has 93, but west coast is all 91, very weird. I still think most auto's only need regular to still offer an amazing ride.

Yeah, 93 in Ohio also.  I remember in Colorado having weird ones like 86 and 91.   But that was due to the altitude.  I can't recall what AZ had. 

[ccap41]

Colorado has 85 as well.

91 is common here if premium isn't 93. I feel like it's about 50/50 on if premium is 91 or 93. 

[Robert Hall]

Yes, 85..that's what I was thinking of...I usually used 85 or 87 in my Bronco and Jeep when I lived there.  Put 91 in my Mustang and BMW. 

[G. David Felt]

@ccap41 @Robert Hall West coast seems to go 83 regular, 86 mid and 91 premium. Go figure.

My bad, those were what they were till 1999 here, I just double checked and see it is 87, 89, 91 for regular, mid, premium.

[Robert Hall]

3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

@ccap41 @Robert Hall West coast seems to go 83 regular, 86 mid and 91 premium. Go figure.

Wow..don't think I've ever seen 83.   I definitely remember 85 or 86 in Colorado as the lowest.  Don't recall what was in Arizona (I try and block some aspects of living there from my memory).   In California I just remember filling up w/ regular and being annoyed by the weird nozzles (which some places in AZ had also).   Though I think I put premium in the DTS.

Edited February 19, 2019 by Robert Hall

[G. David Felt]

5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Wow..don't think I've ever seen 83.   I definitely remember 85 or 86 in Colorado as the lowest.  Don't recall what was in Arizona (I try and block some aspects of living there from my memory).   In California I just remember filling up w/ regular and being annoyed by the weird nozzles (which some places in AZ had also).   Though I think I put premium in the DTS.

Yea, just double checked and realized I had the 1999 octane levels, now in 2019, 87,89,91

[Drew Dowdell]

6 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Wow..don't think I've ever seen 83.   I definitely remember 85 or 86 in Colorado as the lowest.  Don't recall what was in Arizona (I try and block some aspects of living there from my memory).   In California I just remember filling up w/ regular and being annoyed by the weird nozzles (which some places in AZ had also).   Though I think I put premium in the DTS.

What weird nozzles?

[Robert Hall]

4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

What weird nozzles?

California gas pump nozzles (and some in Arizona) are bulky w/ a big bellows (corrugated hose style) thingy above the handle and usually don't work well with the plug in and lock (have to hold it or it keeps shutting off).  Vapor recovery system, a CARB feature? 

Edited February 19, 2019 by Robert Hall

[Drew Dowdell]

Oh, I think eastern PA and NJ have those. 

[Drew Dowdell]

The more I look at this the more I like it.  If it were out now, it might be a contender for me against the Grand Cherokee.   I don't think I'll be waiting till the fall though.  Starting to have issues with my Encore.