Dodge News: 2019 Dodge Challenger Adds More Power, Silly Names

[William Maley]

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The Dodge Challenger SRT Demon is no more for 2019, but that doesn't mean it hasn't influenced the lineup.

Lets begin with the Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye. Under its dual cowl hood is a revamped supercharged 6.2L V8 producing 797 horsepower and 707 pound-feet of torque. Power flows through an eight-speed automatic to the rear-wheels. Dodge claims the Redeye is the "most powerful production V8" and "quickest production muscle car," most likely because the Demon doesn't exist anymore. Here are the numbers,

• 0-60 mph: 3.4 seconds
• Quarter-Mile: 10.8 seconds
• Top Speed: 203 mph

This increase in power is due to Dodge upgrading 25 major components including a bigger supercharger, strengthened engine internals, high-capacity fuel injection system, second-fuel pump, and improved lubrication. The Demon also hands over the Torque Reserve system that builds up power before launching from a standing stop, and After-Run Chiller that cools down the supercharger when the engine is off.

Down one rung is the regular Hellcat. Dodge has increased horsepower to 717, along with adding Launch Assist, Torque Reserve, Launch Control, and Line Lock. A dual-cowl hood is standard.

Both Hellcat models will have the option of a widebody that features larger fender flares to make room for the wider tires.

Dodge also announced the R/T Scat Pack Widebody that features the same wide fender flares as the Hellcat, rear spoiler, SRT tuned chassis, and adaptive dampers. The changes make a huge difference as the Scat Pack Widebody is about two seconds faster per lap than the standard Scat Pack. All Scat Pack models get Launch Assist, Launch Control, Line Lock, SRT Drive Modes, and SRT Performance Pages.

Wrapping up the 2019 Challenger lineup is the R/T and GT rear-wheel drive. The previously-optional Super Track Pak is now standard for both models and includes a performance suspension, enhanced steering, a new front splitter and hood, 20-inch wheels, and bolstered cloth Houndstooth seats.

The 2019 Challenger family arrives in the fourth quarter.

 

Source: Dodge

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New 2019 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye: Possessed by the Demon

• New Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye and Its 797-horsepower Supercharged HEMI® High-output Engine Drive 2019 Challenger Lineup
• Dodge launches most powerful SRT Hellcat lineup ever
• The new 2019 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye is the most powerful, quickest and fastest muscle car
• Most powerful production V-8 engine with 797 horsepower and 707 lb.-ft. of torque
• Quickest production muscle car with 0-60 miles per hour (mph) acceleration of 3.4 seconds
• Fastest grand touring (GT) production car with a ¼-mile elapsed time (E.T.) of 10.8 seconds at 131 mph; and reaches a new top speed of 203 mph
• 2019 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat boasts new rating of 717 horsepower and 656 lb.-ft. of torque
• A new dual-snorkel hood on all Hellcat models pays homage to the distinctive Dodge design themes from some of its most famous muscle cars, including the 1970 Dart Swinger and 1971 Demon 
• Challenger R/T Scat Pack Widebody features the same fender flares from SRT Hellcat Widebody, which add 3.5 inches to the overall width
• R/T Scat Pack Widebody rides on sticky 305/35ZR20 Pirelli tires mounted to 20 x 11-inch forged “Devil’s Rim” aluminum wheels  
• All 2019 R/T Scat Pack models feature the power-bulge aluminum hood with heat extractors formerly featured on the Challenger SRT Hellcat
• Challenger R/T and GT RWD models get standard high-performance suspension

June 28, 2018 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - No rest for the wicked, indeed.
 
Dodge continues to push the performance envelope in 2019, using its high-performance engine street credibility to elevate its entire Challenger lineup, introducing the most powerful supercharged SRT Hellcat lineup ever with horsepower output now starting at 717.
 
And that’s just the beginning.
 
Following a record-setting year with the introduction of the limited-production Dodge Challenger SRT Demon – the quickest, fastest and most powerful muscle car ever – Dodge//SRT is going back to its muscle car roots by taking its biggest, most powerful engine – the supercharged HEMI® Demon V-8 – and leveraging its enormous power output to boost the performance of the Hellcat. The result: the 797-horsepower 2019 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye.
 
“With 840 horsepower, a 9.65 quarter-mile time and Guinness World Record certification that it’s the first production car to lift the wheels at launch, the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon earned its place in the record books,” said Steve Beahm – Head of Passenger Cars, Dodge//SRT, Chrysler and FIAT, FCA North America. “The Dodge Brothers would be proud that we’re leveraging the power and performance of this proven engine to bring a Demon-possessed Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye to an even wider high-performance enthusiast audience.”

Also new for 2019, Dodge offers the Widebody Package on the Challenger R/T Scat Pack model, which adds 3.5 inches to the overall width, improving handling and braking to the naturally aspirated muscle car. At the track, larger six-piston Brembo front brakes, wider wheels and tires, and suspension upgrades featured on the R/T Scat Pack Widebody equate to 2-second faster lap times or approximately 12 car lengths at a 2.1-mile road course, compared with the non-Widebody Challenger R/T Scat Pack.
 
Production of the 2019 Dodge Challenger lineup starts at the Brampton (Ont.) Assembly Plant in the fall of 2018, with vehicles starting to arrive in dealerships in the fourth quarter.

Demon engine drives most powerful Hellcat lineup ever   
Designed and engineered with more power to appeal to an even broader muscle car enthusiast audience, the heart of the new 2019 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye comes from its limited-production big brother – the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon. The supercharged 6.2-liter HEMI high-output V-8 engine is rated at 797 horsepower and 707 lb.-ft. of torque and is mated to a TorqueFlite 8HP90 eight-speed automatic transmission.
 
Like its Demon brethren, it has 25 major component upgrades, including a larger supercharger, strengthened connecting rods and pistons, high-speed valve train, fuel injection system and improved lubrication system.
 
Compared with the standard SRT Hellcat engine, the Redeye’s supercharged high-output engine features:

• Largest factory supercharger of any production car – 2.7 liters versus 2.4 liters
• Increased boost pressure: 14.5 psi versus 11.6 psi
• Higher rpm limit: 6,500 rpm versus 6,200 rpm
• Fuel: Two dual-stage fuel pumps versus one
  • At full throttle, the Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye’s high-output engine consumes 1.43 gal/min (5.4 liters/min) of fuel – enough to drain the fuel tank in just under 11 minutes, yet is still rated at 22 miles per gallon (mpg) when driven in normal highway conditions
• Larger induction air box with three sources of intake air:
  • New dual-snorkel hood
  • Driver-side Air Catcher headlamp
  • Inlet near the wheel liner 

Additional features from the SRT Demon that help the Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye achieve its status as the most powerful, quickest and fastest muscle car:

• Torque Reserve delivers up to 3.9 psi of boost at launch and up to 55 percent more engine torque  
• Only factory production car with both SRT Power Chiller™ and After-Run Chiller
• High-strength steel prop shafts provide a 15 percent increase in torque capacity
• 41-spline half shafts provide a 20 percent increase in torque capacity 

New for 2019, SRT Hellcat Redeye offers two final drive ratios, a standard 2.62:1 or available 3.09:1 for enhanced launch capability. 
 
The 2019 Challenger SRT Hellcat lineup delivers improved performance numbers, including a new top speed of 203 miles per hours (mph), making the Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye the most powerful, quickest and fastest muscle car.

Challenger SRT Models	1/4-mile elapsed time/speed	Top Speed
Redeye Widebody	10.8 seconds @ 131 mph	203 mph
Hellcat Widebody	10.9 seconds @ 127 mph	195 mph
Redeye	11.1 seconds @ 131 mph	203 mph
Hellcat	11.2 seconds @ 125 mph	199 mph

 

 

 

Functional and intimidating exterior design
The newly designed, fully functional dual-snorkel hood provides maximum air intake to the supercharged powerplant and pays homage to the distinctive design themes from some of the most famous mid-1960s and early-1970s Dodge muscle cars, like the 1970 Dart Swinger and 1971 Demon. 
 
"We designed the SRT Hellcat Challenger’s new dual-snorkel hood to focus on another key historical Mopar design element and pay homage to our past with a modern interpretation that looks even more sinister," said Mark Trostle – Head of Performance, Passenger and Utility Vehicle Exterior Design, FCA US LLC. “Whenever we design a new exterior element, we work hand-in-hand with the SRT engineering team to ensure that everything we create resonates with SRT DNA, is functional and meets their performance goals."
 
Even the dual carbon or gunmetal stripe packages have been skillfully tailored to enhance the new dual-snorkel hood design.
 
In addition to the new dual-snorkel hood, the exterior of Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye receives enhanced badging showing a sinister red jewel-like eye design on the Hellcat that jumps off the Midnight Grey Metallic finish fender badge. A new die-cast SRT emblem on the supercharger housing also features the new Redeye logo. 
 
Available on Challenger SRT Hellcat and R/T Scat Pack models for 2019 is the Widebody Package first seen on the 2018 Challenger SRT Hellcat. Wider fender flares add 3.5 inches to the overall width of the vehicle resulting in a more muscular, planted stance. The new flares are expertly integrated into the body design with concealed attachments to amplify the Challenger SRT Hellcat’s width. The front side marker lights are styled to flow with the shape of the fender flares.
 
An available new Satin Black spoiler on both SRT Hellcat and R/T Scat Pack models is both wider and longer, offering a more expressive look while meeting all SRT performance objectives.
 
Standard on 2019 SRT Hellcat models are 20 x 9.5-inch SRT Low Gloss Black lightweight performance wheels while new 20 x 9.5-inch split five-spoke wheels with Brass Monkey finish are available.   
 
Customers opting for the Widebody Package will get available split-five spoke, 20 x 11-inch “Devil’s Rim” forged aluminum wheels, riding on sticky 305/35ZR20 Pirelli P-Zero tires for improved performance while accentuating the menacing look.

Beating the heat
Heat is the enemy of any high-performance powertrain, so Dodge//SRT engineers looked for more ways to keep the intake air as close to the optimum temperature as possible.
 
One key to the engine’s imposing power output is air – and plenty of it. The new, low-restriction, dual snorkel hood is fully functional and sealed to the air box.

When combined with the Air Catcher headlamp and an inlet near the wheel liner, these three sources give the SRT Hellcat Redeye’s high-output engine an 18 percent greater air-flow rate than last year’s SRT Hellcat engine (1,134 cubic feet per minute). At full power, this is the equivalent flow rate to 89 adults simultaneously emptying their lungs in 1 second.
 
The revised air inlet path on the new dual snorkel hood results in an intake air temperature reduction of 4 degrees Fahrenheit.
 
The innovative, award-winning SRT Power Chiller™, standard on the Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye only, diverts the air-conditioning refrigerant from the interior cabin to a chiller unit mounted by the low-temperature circuit coolant pump. Charge air coolant, after being cooled by ambient air passing through a low-temperature radiator at the front of the vehicle, flows through the chiller unit, where it is further cooled. The chilled coolant then flows to the heat exchangers in the supercharger.
 
The SRT Power Chiller™ lowers the intake air temperature further on the Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye, resulting in improved performance.
 
The After-Run Chiller, also an industry first, minimizes any heat soak effects, allowing the engine to stay in optimum operating temperature. When the engine shuts down, the After-Run Chiller, now standard across the Challenger SRT Hellcat model lineup in 2019, keeps the engine’s cooling fan and low-temperature circuit coolant pump running to lower the supercharger/charge air cooler temperature. The driver can track the supercharger coolant temperature on the SRT Performance Pages in the 8.4-inch Uconnect touchscreen and know in real time when the supercharger is at the optimum temperature for another run.

2019 Challenger SRT Hellcat lineup: more horses, expanded technologies and more features  
From 717 to 797 horsepower, Dodge is delivering the most powerful Challenger SRT Hellcat lineup ever.  Both a manual and automatic transmission are available to handle the immense horsepower and torque output.
 
The Challenger SRT Hellcat receives a standard Tremec six-speed manual transmission, while the efficient TorqueFlite 8HP90 eight-speed automatic transmission is available.
 
The Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye’s supercharged high-output engine is paired to the TorqueFlite 8HP90 eight-speed automatic transmission. Internal changes to the transmission include an upgraded torque converter that delivers an 18 percent increase in torque multiplication when compared with the standard Challenger SRT Hellcat.
 
All 2019 Challenger SRT Hellcat models are loaded with standard performance features, including:

• Adaptive Damping Suspension — SRT-tuned Bilstein three-mode Adaptive Damping Suspension system includes: Auto Mode = sporty but compliant ride; Sport Mode = firm, maximum handling; Track Mode = firm, maximum handling plus performance shifting and gear-holding feature
• Braking system — braking power comes from the standard Brembo brake system with two-piece, 15.4-inch front rotors and six-piston front calipers for outstanding heat management, thermal capacity and longevity
• Electric power steering (EPS) — electric power steering delivers better steering feel and ease of turning efforts at parking lot speeds. It can be calibrated to optimize steering effort for a variety of driving situations via settings in the SRT Performance Pages
• Launch Assist — launched on the Challenger SRT Demon as a factory-production car first, Launch Assist helps resolve one of the biggest challenges to clean launches and driveline integrity – wheel hop, which happens when tires quickly slip and regain traction at launch, rapidly storing up and releasing energy in the driveline. These high torque spikes can quickly and severely damage driveline components, and up until now, the only solution was to back out of the throttle. The 2019 Challenger SRT Hellcat models use the wheel speed sensors to watch for signs that the tires are slipping/sticking. If hop is detected, the engine control module momentarily reduces torque to maximize traction almost instantly – without the driver having to lift the throttle. Launch Assist reduces loads in the driveline from wheel hop by up to 20 percent
• Torque Reserve — becomes active once the engine speed passes 950 rpm. The system closes the bypass valve, “prefilling” the intake with boost, manages fuel flow to cylinders and manages spark timing to balance engine rpm and torque
• Launch Control — holds the engine at optimal launch RPM and waits for the driver to release the brake. Launch Ccontrol then uses engine torque management to optimize wheel slip for maximum acceleration. All 2019 Challenger models with Launch Control receive an improved system that increases hold time from five to 10 seconds for optimal launch and consistent straight-line acceleration
• Line Lock — engages the front brakes to hold the Challenger stationary but leaves the rear wheels free for a burnout to heat up and clean the rear tires. The system will also let the driver perform a controlled rolling burnout and can engage for up to 200 rear wheel revolutions
• Larger induction air box — with three sources of intake air: new dual-snorkel hood, driver-side Air Catcher headlamp and inlet near the wheel liner
• SRT Drive Modes — accessed via the 8.4-inch Uconnect touchscreen, drivers can tailor their experience by adjusting horsepower, transmission shift speeds, steering effort, paddle shifters, traction and suspension settings. SRT Drive Modes offer selectable settings for Street (Auto), Sport and Track. There is also a Custom setting for the driver to select individual preferences
• SRT Performance Pages — bring critical vehicle performance data to the driver’s fingertips, including a real-time dyno graph, g-force heat map and much more

Also available on Challenger SRT Hellcat and R/T Scat Pack is the Rear Seat Delete Group, which allows customers to delete the rear seats, rear seat belts and add a rear cargo net. 

Race-inspired, high-performance interior
Refocusing the Hellcat on its performance roots, the 2019 Challenger SRT Hellcat lineup features standard Houndstooth cloth performance seats.
 
Three other seat options are available:

• Nappa leather/Alcantara with embroidered SRT Hellcat logo (available with Plus Package)
• Laguna leather with embossed SRT Hellcat logo (available with Laguna Leather Package)  
• Laguna leather/Alcantara with embossed SRT Hellcat logo (available with Alcantara Appearance Package)  

The SRT Hellcat interior features a signature leather-wrapped, flat-bottom steering wheel with a backlit SRT logo and paddle shifters. Red gauges with a 200-mph speedometer flank the 7-inch display screen, which features performance timers and a Hellcat logo splash screen at start-up.
 
Complementing the race-inspired cockpit are silver seat and console stitching, Light Black Chrome accents and a Gunmetal SRT Hellcat instrument panel badge.
 
The 2019 Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye has several unique interior features, including:

• 220-mph red speedometer
• SRT Hellcat Redeye logo splash screen
• Light Black Chrome instrument panel badge with SRT Hellcat Redeye logo
• SRT Hellcat Redeye logo on the key fobs

Dodge Challenger R/T Scat Pack offers new standard hood; Widebody exterior available
The Dodge Challenger R/T Scat Pack continues to offer the most muscle for the dollar in the segment with 485 horsepower and a starting U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) less than $40,000. Power comes from the proven, naturally aspirated, 392-cubic-inch HEMI V-8 engine’s best-in-class 485 horsepower and 475 lb.-ft. of torque.
 
New for 2019, all Challenger R/T Scat Pack models get a new look, courtesy of the 2018 Challenger SRT Hellcat. The power-bulge aluminum hood features a dedicated air intake flanked by dual-air extractors to ensure effective removal of heat and reduced air turbulence in the engine compartment. Standard illuminated Air Catcher headlamps feed additional air directly into the engine bay. 
 
Also new for 2019, R/T Scat Pack buyers can leverage the on-track performance capabilities of the SRT Hellcat Widebody.    
 
Featuring the same fender flares from SRT Hellcat Widebody, which add 3.5 inches to the overall width, the new R/T Scat Pack Widebody rides on sticky 305/35ZR20 Pirelli tires mounted to 20 x 11-inch forged “Devil’s Rim” aluminum wheels.   
 
Many high-performance features are now standard on all a Challenger R/T Scat Pack models, including:

• Launch Control
• Launch Assist
• Line Lock
• SRT Drive Modes
• SRT Performance Pages

The Challenger R/T Scat Pack Widebody adds:

• SRT-tuned chassis, featuring stiffer front springs, retuned shock absorbers and larger sway bars in both front and rear
• SRT-tuned high-performance adaptive damping suspension 
• Front fascia with integrated splitter optimizes airflow to the cooling modules without compromising vehicle balance
• Rear spoiler from the Hellcat helps to deliver responsive and balanced handling

As a result, the R/T Scat Pack Widebody delivers its best on-road and on-track performance ever, with an improvement of close to 2 seconds per lap or 12 car lengths compared with the R/T Scat Pack. In a quarter-mile comparison, the new Challenger R/T Scat Pack Widebody gained .2 seconds – running 12.1 seconds E.T. at 112 mph.
 
The Challenger R/T Scat Pack’s superb stopping power comes from the SRT-engineered Brembo brake system with six-piston front and four-piston rear calipers, resulting in braking (60-0 mph) performance improving to 108 feet (from 111 feet). 
 
Exterior badging on the R/T Scat Pack includes new Scat Pack Bee badges that face forward on both fenders. Challenger script and R/T logos flank both sides of the front grille.
 
Inside the performance interior are front seats that feature the Scat Pack Bee logo embroidered into the seat backs; new Dark Dub Plate finish on instrument panel and console and new Liquid Titanium accents on the steering wheel, shifter and cluster bezels.

Challenger R/T and GT RWD Models Gain More Performance
Not to be outdone, the 2019 Challenger R/T and new GT rear-wheel-drive (RWD) models extend their performance capabilities with standard Super Track Pak features, including:

• Performance suspension
• Enhanced steering
• 20-inch Granite Crystal painted wheels
• Steering wheel mounted paddle shifters (with automatic transmission)
• Performance hood and front splitter
• Performance bolstered cloth Houndstooth seats

Available on both the Challenger R/T and GT RWD models for 2019 is the Performance Handling Group, which brings enhanced braking and handling capabilities. On GT RWD, the Performance Handling Group features four-piston Brembo brakes (front and rear), wider 20 x 9-inch Black Noise wheels and a larger rear sway bar for improved driving experience and reduced understeer.
 
The Performance Handling Group on the Challenger R/T adds upgraded springs, sway bars, Bilstein shocks, bushings and mounts, helping to improve performance and response during spirited driving. For the driver looking to get even more out of the Challenger R/T model, the new Performance Plus Package adds track ready 20 x 9.5-inch forged wheels riding on 275/40ZR20 Pirelli P-Zero tires, limited-slip differential and enhanced handling balance for improved cornering performance.

Fourteen different distinct Dodge//SRT colors available across Challenger lineup
Dodge Challenger customers have a wide array of exterior colors and stripes from which they can choose to customize their muscle car. Fourteen different exterior colors and a wide variety of interior trim selections, including:

• B5 Blue
• Destroyer Grey
• F8 Green
• Go Mango
• Granite Crystal
• Indigo Blue
• Maximum Steel
• Octane Red
• Pitch Black
• Plum Crazy
• TorRed
• Triple Nickel (NEW)
• White Knuckle
• Yellow Jacket

Available Interior Colors:

• Black
• Black/Caramel
• Black/Ruby Red
• Demonic Red
• Sepia

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[smk4565]

You wonder how this company survives with CAFE rapidly increasing over the next 5 years.  Their penalties must be huge.

[daves87rs]

Nice.....

[Guest Denver]

Looking to get rid of CAFE standards

[riviera74]

Well, Scott Pruitt is working on ending the rapid acceleration of CAFE standards after 2020 so these will probably pass muster.  More importantly, CAFE depends on volume so these Challengers will only be sold at fewer than 100 each (if not 100 total).  FCA is far more likely to try to push FIAT 500s to compensate, if the 500s would sell.

While I would like to see CAFE go the way of the Pinto, that requires legislation.  This administration is not very good at putting policies in via Congress at all.

[aurora97]

CAFE standards is one thing.  Developing a new generation of cars that are NOT on a legacy platform that dates back to the Dailmer days is another.

[G. David Felt]

6 minutes ago, aurora97 said:

CAFE standards is one thing.  Developing a new generation of cars that are NOT on a legacy platform that dates back to the Dailmer days is another.

Yet as Drew and others have pointed out, Dodge has pretty much replaced everything that was dated back to the Daimler days and one could from an engineering standpoint state that the platform is pretty much evolutionary new. If they are replacing components with light weight but stronger versions that can handle the performance, than a new platform is not needed if it is still flexible enough to all the auto's to meet the crash standards while being improved.

[Frisky Dingo]

Cool cars, but come on, this brand doesn't have a creative or innovative bone left in its body. 

[balthazar]

Uh-huh, so who's "innovative"? Mazda?

[67impss]

If FCA has just about replaced all of the Daimler bit's then that in itself would be innovative by definition. Much like Holden's re-engineering the the Astra to make the Commodore. Only FCA has done it a second time.

Edited June 30, 2018 by 67impss

[G. David Felt]

2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Cool cars, but come on, this brand doesn't have a creative or innovative bone left in its body. 

What has been so innovative about the asian or german brands? Where are the Electric Vehicles, where are the VOLT or BOLT competitors let alone the Corvette or Demon competitors?

Asian autos have relied on Marketing Sparkle

Germans have just done what they always have done over and over. 

How has any auto company really been creative beyond certain corner use cases. We are still using pretty much the same trucks on ICE powertrains just enhanced with computer tech.

Right now everyone is guilty of polishing what they have and building little that is innovative. The EV auto' might just be the next true innovative move in the auto industry.

[67impss]

But dfelt EV's have been around since the 1900's but the real game changer will be hydrogen powered either by way of an ICE or fuel cell. If they can get to efficient production and non  porous storage tanks.

[G. David Felt]

8 minutes ago, 67impss said:

But dfelt EV's have been around since the 1900's but the real game changer will be hydrogen powered either by way of an ICE or fuel cell. If they can get to efficient production and non  porous storage tanks.

Hydrogen will still not be a game changer or the innovation that will make a difference. The LIE that is sold to everyone is that Hydrogen is ultra clean best fuel ever for auto's.

You hit one small issue storage, as a gas, it is very hard to keep in a tank for long term storage and is only one-three-hundredth of the energy that a gallon of petro has. As a liquid it takes absolute ZERO to have it in the same equal gallon amount and yet energy density is only one-quarter the energy of gas.

To carry enough to create boost like Nasa does, you have to have it compressed to 10,000 PSI. The GM Hydrogen auto that is currently being used carries 8 kilograms of 10,000 PSI Hydrogen good for 300 miles. Sadely the storage takes up 5 times as much as a Gas tank and is 3 times more space than CNG.

Hydrogen takes immense energy to create the fuel to be used by an auto. The first Hydrogen fuel cell was created in 1839. The basic fuel cell that is currently in use by GM costs $39,000 each and then their is the cost of the auto and the special metals needed for the motor. This compared to $5,000 for a decent carbon fiber tank and then a few hardened components in existing motors for CNG. As to why the American brands make CNG trucks.

End result, EV has more potential than Hydrogen and CNG is a natural next step with higher energy content.

[67impss]

Years ago I was watching 60 minutes and Ford was running a standard engine on hydrogen without any modifications and no ill effect.

[G. David Felt]

8 hours ago, 67impss said:

Years ago I was watching 60 minutes and Ford was running a standard engine on hydrogen without any modifications and no ill effect.

Yes you can run Hydrogen if it is a semi gas on a regular engine, after that if you run it at the better format of pure liquid at 10,000 PSI, the engine needs special parts due to the pressure and still you end up with poor energy output. 

As I stated, gas / semi gas is one-three-hundreth of the energy compared to the same gallon of petro and when in pure liquid state is only one-quarter the energy and yet it takes depending on the format to create the hydrogen fuel anywhere from 5 times or more energy to produce that same gallon of liquid fuel at pure zero temp which then takes cooling to keep it there.

Very Clean, but very inefficient compared to CNG or CNG powered electricity for an EV.

1839 the fuel cell has been around since then and no real efficient way to get the same energy power out of hydrogen compared to petro.

[ccap41]

On 6/29/2018 at 9:29 PM, dfelt said:

What has been so innovative about the asian or german brands? Where are the Electric Vehicles, where are the VOLT or BOLT competitors let alone the Corvette or Demon competitors?

What...? All of the German and Asian brands have hybrids and/or plug-in hybrids. Nobody has a Demon competitor but there are definitely cars that compete with the Corvette. 

[G. David Felt]

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

What...? All of the German and Asian brands have hybrids and/or plug-in hybrids. Nobody has a Demon competitor but there are definitely cars that compete with the Corvette. 

I have to disagree, that none have anything that competes head to head with the BOLT or VOLT. I do not see how a plug-in hybrid with 30 miles of pure electric charge competes with the 84 miles of the VOLT. None have an EV auto with 238 miles of pure EV range yet.

In regards to the corvette, yes some do compete, but price point is interesting as they have been much higher priced, I do think Corvette is starting to get up there in price, but you still do have a very powerful 50K car with V8 that I do not see any equal to from Europe or Asia.

[ccap41]

Prius Prime competes with the Volt. 

Since when did the Volt get an 84 mile EV only range? 

Also, wasn't this about Dodge and their lack of innovation? They're the only ones with no form of EV technology. Whether you agree or disagree with competing with the Bolt or Volt, there are pure EV, plug-in, and normal hybrids from all of the Japanese and German brands, which you said they didn't. 

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Prius Prime competes with the Volt. 

Since when did the Volt get an 84 mile EV only range? 

Also, wasn't this about Dodge and their lack of innovation? They're the only ones with no form of EV technology. Whether you agree or disagree with competing with the Bolt or Volt, there are pure EV, plug-in, and normal hybrids from all of the Japanese and German brands, which you said they didn't. 

My Bad, ok they state 53 miles on the web site, though I have seen stories that have reported higher range on battery only. So yes the Prius prime does compete, weird as I could have sworn that I had read from Chevy that it was higher with Gen 2 for pure electric range.

OK, just read the fine details, depending on temp, altitude, driving style, etc. range can very as high as 84 with a low of 40, so I must have been remembering in a mild climate that you can get longer electric only mode.

True, there is the iSeries from BMW which is the only global Hybrid from them and Toyota. Course everything is changing fast now that everyone is rolling out hybrid / EV models globally. Example is the Korean Hyundai Ioniq product line.

Back at the beginning, it was just Prius, then Volt and now more. I stand corrected.  

Dodge is truly behind in the hybrid / ev world, but then Sergio is to blame for this. As he went after dumping the billions in profits into resurrecting Alfa.