Sales: Sales Figure Ticker: February 2018

[William Maley]

Volvo Cars of North America, LLC - Up 35% (6,283 Vehicles Sold This Month, 11,850 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Porsche Cars North America, Inc. - Up 20.5% (4,382 Vehicles Sold This Month, 9,198 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mitsubishi Motors North America - Up 18.8% (12,973 Vehicles Sold This Month, 21,453 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mazda North American Operations - Up 12.7% (25,731 Vehicles Sold This Month, 50,693 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Audi of America - Up 12% (15,451 Vehicles Sold This Month, 29,962 Vehicles Sold This Year)
BMW Group U.S. - Up 7.5% (26,573 Vehicles Sold This Month, 48,526 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volkswagen of America - Up 6% (26,660 Vehicles Sold This Month, 51,404 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Toyota Motor North America - Up 4.5% (182,195 Vehicles Sold This Month, 349,251 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Subaru of America, Inc. - Up 3.8% (47,249 Vehicles Sold This Month, 91,606 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mercedes-Benz USA - Up 1.9% (27,894 Vehicles Sold This Month, 55,497 Vehicles Sold This Year)
FCA US LLC - Down 1% (165,903 Vehicles Sold This Month, 298,706 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jaguar Land Rover North America - Down 2.36% (9,013 Vehicles Sold This Month, 18,063 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Nissan Group - Down 4.3% (129,930 Vehicles Sold This Month, 253,468 Vehicles Sold This Year)
American Honda Motor Co. - Down 5% (115,557 Vehicles Sold This Month, 220,099 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Ford Motor Company - Down 6.9% (194,132 Vehicles Sold This Month, 355,275 Vehicles Sold This Year)
General Motors Co. - Down 6.9% (220,905 Vehicles Sold This Month, 419,453 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Hyundai Motor America - Down 13% (46,095 Vehicles Sold This Month, 87,337 Vehicles Sold This Year)

Kia Motors America - 
Maserati North America, Inc. - 

Brands:
Acura - Up 1% (10,969 Vehicles Sold This Month, 19,877 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Alfa Romeo - Up 254% (1,568 Vehicles Sold This Month, 3,216 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Audi - Up 12% (15,451 Vehicles Sold This Month, 29,962 Vehicles Sold This Year)
BMW - Up 4.2% (23,508 Vehicles Sold This Month, 42,524 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Buick - Up 1.2% (16,322 Vehicles Sold This Month, 29,970 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Cadillac - Up 14% (12,338 Vehicles Sold This Month, 22,223 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Chevrolet - Down 8.8% (149,605 Vehicles Sold This Month, 291,552 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Chrysler - Down 3% (16,150 Vehicles Sold This Month, 26,734 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Dodge - Down 8% (40,187 Vehicles Sold This Month, 67,787 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Fiat - Down 42% (1,241 Vehicles Sold This Month, 2,470 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Ford - Down 6.1% (187,432 Vehicles Sold This Month, 342,165 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Genesis - Down 13.8% (1,363 Vehicles Sold This Month, 2,976 Vehicles Sold This Year)
GMC - Down 8% (42,640 Vehicles Sold This Month, 75,698 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Honda - Down 5.6% (104,588 Vehicles Sold This Month, 200,222 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Hyundai - Down 13.04% (44,732 Vehicles Sold This Month, 84,361 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Infiniti - Down 6.7% (12,820 Vehicles Sold This Month, 23,455 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jaguar - Down 37% (2,185 Vehicles Sold This Month, 4,789 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jeep - Up 12% (70,020 Vehicles Sold This Month, 129,723 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Kia - 
Land Rover - Up 19% (6,828 Vehicles Sold This Month, 13,274 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Lexus - Up 5.1% (19,265 Vehicles Sold This Month, 37,179 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Lincoln - Down 23.4% (6,700 Vehicles Sold This Month, 13,110 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Maserati - 
Mazda - Up 12.7% (25,731 Vehicles Sold This Month, 50,693 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mercedes-Benz - Up 1% (3,028 Vehicles Sold This Month, 5,219 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mercedes-Benz Vans - Up 20.5% (10,969 Vehicles Sold This Month, 19,877 Vehicles Sold This Year)
MINI - Up 42.3% (3,065 Vehicles Sold This Month, 6,002 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mitsubishi - Up 18.8% (12,973 Vehicles Sold This Month, 21,453 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Nissan - Down 4% (117,110 Vehicles Sold This Month, 230,013 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Porsche - Up 20.5% (4,382 Vehicles Sold This Month, 9,198 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Ram Trucks - Down 14% (36,737 Vehicles Sold This Month, 68,776 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Smart - Down 69.5% (106 Vehicles Sold This Month, 211 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Subaru - Up 3.8% (47,249 Vehicles Sold This Month, 91,606 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Toyota - Up 4.4% (162,930 Vehicles Sold This Month, 312,072 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volkswagen - Up 6% (26,660 Vehicles Sold This Month, 51,404 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volvo - Up 35% (6,283 Vehicles Sold This Month, 11,850 Vehicles Sold This Year)

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[ccap41]

23.4% sales drop for Lincoln. HOLY. SH!T. 

[smk4565]

Lincoln is a disaster.

[daves87rs]

Wow....looks like there is going to be some good spring deals...

 

Ford...Ouch!

[regfootball]

i have a dark theory....

as some buyer groups get younger and younger, and some of them buy their first cars even, the percentage of buyer pool that sees the American brands as tainted (despite them being quite good) increases, and in particular, the love for BMW, Audi, Mercedes continues.........

the side point is that GM in particular has few market bullseyes these days. and many of its new models are overpriced or non discounted.....

[riviera74]

2 hours ago, regfootball said:

i have a dark theory....

as some buyer groups get younger and younger, and some of them buy their first cars even, the percentage of buyer pool that sees the American brands as tainted (despite them being quite good) increases, and in particular, the love for BMW, Audi, Mercedes continues.........

the side point is that GM in particular has few market bullseyes these days. and many of its new models are overpriced or non discounted.....

Tainted? What is this, 1980? 1990?

Lack of discounts might work as a theory perhaps, but GM needs profits and cash flow NOT "move the metal" which led to BK a decade ago.  The love for the German automakers is still quite irrational, even after 40 years of all their hype.

[balthazar]

• Buyers as a whole are getting OLDER, not younger. Not sure how sub"groups" of buyers get singled out & age median-ed.
• The only shading I foresee is the whole 'my father's/mother's brand' stigma, which often drives younger generations in another direction. That would not bode as well for the mainstream high-volume brands.
• EVERYTHING is overpriced, but for some strange reason, the MSRPs of GM models gets disproportional attention as what buyers actually pay. Very few models of any brand get sticker price/ most everything is discounted in one way or another.
• GM is doing VERY well profit-wise: $9.4B in 2016.

[regfootball]

i just priced a stupid terrain 'denali' at over 46 grand on gmc website.  46 grand for a pop can / skate like the new Terrain is a perfect example of OVERPRICED

[G. David Felt]

4 hours ago, regfootball said:

i have a dark theory....

as some buyer groups get younger and younger, and some of them buy their first cars even, the percentage of buyer pool that sees the American brands as tainted (despite them being quite good) increases, and in particular, the love for BMW, Audi, Mercedes continues.........

the side point is that GM in particular has few market bullseyes these days. and many of its new models are overpriced or non discounted.....

I have to disagree with you as you look at who is selling auto's and have a decent profit and amazing, but GM is leading the North America Market followed by Toyota big difference in year totals sold and then Ford, FCA and Nissan. BMW and MB are very distant.

2 minutes ago, regfootball said:

i just priced a stupid terrain 'denali' at over 46 grand on gmc website.  46 grand for a pop can / skate like the new Terrain is a perfect example of OVERPRICED

Clearly you have not been in a Denali Terrain, a POP CAN it is not. Look at Toyota, VW, even MB or BMW for the pop can CUV.

[balthazar]

33 minutes ago, regfootball said:

i just priced a stupid terrain 'denali' at over 46 grand on gmc website.  46 grand for a pop can / skate like the new Terrain is a perfect example of OVERPRICED

my local toyoyo dealer has numerous '18 Plastic Fantastic RAV4's in inventory at $37K. My buddy, actively shopping for an SUV, wouldn't even climb inside one once he opened the door, they're so awful. Another $9K for a much better vehicle sounds right if the RAV4 is 'not over-priced'.

[Drew Dowdell]

$37k for a RAV4 and $47k for a Terrain is overpriced. 

 

[ykX]

7 hours ago, balthazar said:

my local toyoyo dealer has numerous '18 Plastic Fantastic RAV4's in inventory at $37K. My buddy, actively shopping for an SUV, wouldn't even climb inside one once he opened the door, they're so awful. Another $9K for a much better vehicle sounds right if the RAV4 is 'not over-priced'.

I am sorry but there is no way in hell Terrain worth close to $50k in any shape or form. 

Edited March 2, 2018 by ykX

[Robert Hall]

Sat in the Terrain at the auto show last weekend...huge blind spots from the strange windows set in the c-pillars...small and rectangular, kind of like '70s opera windows.   It didn't seem that different from other compact CUVs other than some quirky features like the toggle button shifter .. other than squarer styling and more chrome, the GMC crossovers didn't seem any nicer than the other transverse 4cyl car-based generic lease appliances from Chevy, Buick, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, etc...don't really see where the marketing 'professional grade' BS applies to these...so boring....

Edited March 2, 2018 by Cubical-aka-Moltar

[balthazar]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

$37k for a RAV4 and $47k for a Terrain is overpriced.

 

19 minutes ago, ykX said:

I am sorry but there is no way in hell Terrain worth close to $50k in any shape or form. 

Like I said :

• EVERYTHING is overpriced...

[ykX]

17 minutes ago, balthazar said:

 

Like I said :

 

Not exactly what you said, you said that you would rather pay extra $9k for Terrain which I call BS with all due respect.   Terrain is not much better or in some way even worse than any other loaded CUV on the market and while paying for any other CUV close to $40k is a lot, paying for Terrain close to $50 is ridiculous.

[balthazar]

Not having been in either... your point is duly noted.

[ccap41]

46k for a compact CUV is entry luxury territory.. Are the interiors on the level of Lexus, Lincoln, Acura, or even BMW, Mercedes, or Audi? 

I mean a GLC starts at $40,050, X3 starts at $42,650, Q5: $41,500. Even the larger MKX/Nautilus starts at $39,035. 

At least that Rav4 wasn't priced next to those guys

[Drew Dowdell]

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

46k for a compact CUV is entry luxury territory.. Are the interiors on the level of Lexus, Lincoln, Acura, or even BMW, Mercedes, or Audi? 

I mean a GLC starts at $40,050, X3 starts at $42,650, Q5: $41,500. Even the larger MKX/Nautilus starts at $39,035. 

At least that Rav4 wasn't priced next to those guys

At lease some of the price of the Terrain comes from the powertrain.  You get your choice of a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder with a 6-speed auto or a Hybrid 4-cylinder with a 6-speed auto.  The Terrain at the higher prices gets you a 2.0t and 10-speed or the new Turbo-diesel. 

I have an issue paying $34k for a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder in a economy crossover

[balthazar]

Terrain doesn't start at $46K, it starts at $25K. Why are we comparing a loaded price to base MSRPs?

[Drew Dowdell]

Just now, balthazar said:

Terrain doesn't start at $46K, it starts at $25K. Why are we comparing a loaded price to base MSRPs?

At least in the Terrain's case, it sells at the top end of its price range.

[ykX]

3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

 

I have an issue paying $34k for a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder in a economy crossover

Well, most of that price is the leather and electronics, and you get quite a lot of electronics today which cost money.  I think all the active safety features we have today are what caused the biggest price increase.

[Drew Dowdell]

Just now, ykX said:

Well, most of that price is the leather and electronics, and you get quite a lot of electronics today which cost money.  I think all the active safety features we have today are what caused the biggest price increase.

I get that... but when I cross the $30k mark, I want more than a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder.  Not an option in a RAV4

[ccap41]

12 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Terrain doesn't start at $46K, it starts at $25K. Why are we comparing a loaded price to base MSRPs?

Because if it's priced that high it's in that territory. Hence my question, is the interior to the level of those at that price range? 

19 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I have an issue paying $34k for a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder in a economy crossover

Yeah, no thank you! Why is that an option at that price? The base engine should be whatever turbo 4cyl the Cruze has and the 2.0T as an option. 

[Drew Dowdell]

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Yeah, no thank you! Why is that an option at that price? The base engine should be whatever turbo 4cyl the Cruze has and the 2.0T as an option. 

Er... the Terrain does not have any naturally aspirated engines at all. It has the 1.5T, 2.0T, and 1.6TD.  I was talking about the RAV4 being only NA 2.5 or Hybrid 2.5

[ykX]

21 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I get that... but when I cross the $30k mark, I want more than a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder.  Not an option in a RAV4

I agree, but RAV4 is old design.  I am sure next generation will have turbo-four like CR-V and pretty much the rest of the segment.

[frogger]

25 minutes ago, ykX said:

I agree, but RAV4 is old design.  I am sure next generation will have turbo-four like CR-V and pretty much the rest of the segment.

Hard to say.. New Camry 4 cylinder is still NA. 

I would still bet on a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder (shared with Camry) and much improved HEV/PHEV option(s).  Maybe a 6 cylinder if they are not planning on a midsize two two CUV to slot between it and the Highlander.

Hopefully they keep the cargo area of the RAV4 on the larger size of the compact CUVs like the CRV, not the GM's or Koreans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ccap41]

49 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Er... the Terrain does not have any naturally aspirated engines at all. It has the 1.5T, 2.0T, and 1.6TD.  I was talking about the RAV4 being only NA 2.5 or Hybrid 2.5

Ohhhh I thought you meant the Terrain. Okay, so it does have the 1.5T standard. That makes more sense. 

[riviera74]

Wow. At those prices for a (loaded) Terrain, why not buy a Buick Envision instead?  Nicer CUV and possibly a better value.

[Robert Hall]

12 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Wow. At those prices for a (loaded) Terrain, why not buy a Buick Envision instead?  Nicer CUV and possibly a better value.

The GMC has a bigger grille and bigger badges. 

[ccap41]

Because most would prefer a GMC over a Buick. That's literally the only real reason. That'd be the only reason I'd buy a Terrain over an Envision. 

The more I see the new Terrains out in the wild the less i like them. When they were first introduced i thought they looked pretty sharp but the more I see them the less i like them. There's just something about them that I do not like. 

[G. David Felt]

2 hours ago, frogger said:

Hard to say.. New Camry 4 cylinder is still NA. 

I would still bet on a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder (shared with Camry) and much improved HEV/PHEV option(s).  Maybe a 6 cylinder if they are not planning on a midsize two two CUV to slot between it and the Highlander.

Hopefully they keep the cargo area of the RAV4 on the larger size of the compact CUVs like the CRV, not the GM's or Koreans.

Since Toyota has killed off one maybe two of the Prius models. I wonder if the next Rav 4 will have a Prius based powertrain with an upgraded hybrid powertrain option. Maybe bigger battery pack or electric motors.

Base Turbo 4 banger

Prius Powertrain Hybrid

Performance Hybrid Powertrain.

That is how I would approach it now.

1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

Wow. At those prices for a (loaded) Terrain, why not buy a Buick Envision instead?  Nicer CUV and possibly a better value.

Totally agree, I helped my sister buy a fully loaded Buick Envision Premium II for $38,000 plus tax and license and way better than a Terrain Denali at $50K

54 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Because most would prefer a GMC over a Buick. That's literally the only real reason. That'd be the only reason I'd buy a Terrain over an Envision. 

The more I see the new Terrains out in the wild the less i like them. When they were first introduced i thought they looked pretty sharp but the more I see them the less i like them. There's just something about them that I do not like. 

Test drive a GMC Terrain Denali and then a Buick Envision Premium II and you will see why the Envision beats the Terrain. No if, an or butts about it. The Envision is the better CUV to buy.

[ccap41]

3 hours ago, dfelt said:

Test drive a GMC Terrain Denali and then a Buick Envision Premium II and you will see why the Envision beats the Terrain. No if, an or butts about it. The Envision is the better CUV to buy.

Oh I don't doubt that one bit! 

[smk4565]

18 hours ago, regfootball said:

i just priced a stupid terrain 'denali' at over 46 grand on gmc website.  46 grand for a pop can / skate like the new Terrain is a perfect example of OVERPRICED

Yep, that is enough for a GLC or Q5 or X3 with 1 option package.

[riviera74]

18 hours ago, regfootball said:

i just priced a stupid terrain 'denali' at over 46 grand on gmc website.  46 grand for a pop can / skate like the new Terrain is a perfect example of OVERPRICED

Then you should look at a Buick Envision, since that CUV is a better value at the price you listed.

[Drew Dowdell]

Up until the coming 2019 Envision, the Terrain had some distinct technical advantages over the Buick, but for 2019 they are more evenly matched.  I do think the Terrain is a bit overpriced, but if you can get over that, then something like a $45k Terrain Denali Turbo Diesel does have some advantages over an equivalently priced Envision.   The Terrain also does feel slightly more roomy even if the numbers don't play that out.   The base model engine of the Terrain is better than the base model engine of the Envision, and for some reason Buick makes you pony up for the 2.0T to get AWD when AWD can come in the 1.5T in the Terrain.

Pluses and minuses all around depending on your priorities. 

Edit: Apparently my knowledge was out of date and you can get the 2.5 with AWD in the Envision.  That must have been a first year only thing.

[frogger]

On 3/2/2018 at 12:13 PM, ccap41 said:

Because most would prefer a GMC over a Buick. That's literally the only real reason. That'd be the only reason I'd buy a Terrain over an Envision. 

The more I see the new Terrains out in the wild the less i like them. When they were first introduced i thought they looked pretty sharp but the more I see them the less i like them. There's just something about them that I do not like. 

Not a huge fan of the Terrain but I still prefer them to the look of the new Equinox by far.  I value interior space and at the prices they are asking I would rather just get a midsize CUV.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2018 by frogger

[ccap41]

On 3/9/2018 at 10:18 AM, frogger said:

Not a huge fan of the Terrain but I still prefer them to the look of the new Equinox by far.  I value interior space and at the prices they are asking I would rather just get a midsize CUV.

 

 

Yeah it seems the more and more I see the new Equinox the less I like the looks of it.. Most new things I see I don't like initially and the look grows on me. Not so much with the Equinox.