Tesla Model 3 Production Has Some 'Bottlenecks'

[FAPTurbo]

25 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

inferior pleb non-tesla charging app

do they charge a vehicle in a half hour? no. 

i used a 'fast charger' with my tesla and it took forever. the only positive was that it was near a denny's so i could go inside and remind myself why i live on a coast. 

[Intrepidation]

So you went to Denny's to punish yourself for using a "fast" charger? I almost stopped at a Denny's over the weekend, but then I realized there were literally a dozen places that wouldn't give me violent diarrhea.

[surreal1272]

7 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

do they charge a vehicle in a half hour? no. 

i used a 'fast charger' with my tesla and it took forever. the only positive was that it was near a denny's so i could go inside and remind myself why i live on a coast. Honestly, I’m just trolling anyway so don’t mind me. It’s why I insulted Casa.

Let me file this under “so what?”. They are available nonetheless across the nation and a faster service is on the way. Clearly its not an issue for Bolt buyers, judging by sales figures that were limited to only a handful of states until recently.  

 

Oh and I fixed that last part for you, since you went out of your way to fix mine.

3 minutes ago, Intrepidation said:

So you went to Denny's to punish yourself for using a "fast" charger? I almost stopped at a Denny's over the weekend, but then I realized there were literally a dozen places that wouldn't give me violent diarrhea.

Puts himself on a pedestal with his Tesla example only to eat at the worlds $h!tiest chain of restaurants. LMAO!

Edited October 12, 2017 by surreal1272

[FAPTurbo]

stirring their bottomless dark coffee poetically mirrors your country's dark swirling spiral into oblivion and i like the cheesecake

[Cmicasa the Great]

19 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

stirring their bottomless dark coffee poetically mirrors your country's dark swirling spiral into oblivion and i like the cheesecake

My message got deleted and this drivel remains. Insane. 

The Bolt charges up to 

[Blake Noble]

28 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

My message got deleted and this drivel remains. Insane.

when you finally make a post that actually acknowledges the bigger picture, maybe it won’t get deleted.

 

also, for the record, everyone who is anyone knows that, if you want a classic casual sit down experience and salad bar induced diarrhea, you sit your ass down at big boy. or shoney’s.

[Intrepidation]

Shoney’s , the mad genius alchoholic's choice for diarrhea and manifested butt farts

 

[balthazar]

13 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Back to reality, Musk says Tesla still in 'production hell'.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/10/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-in-model-3-production-hell/

The company is tiny yet has huge name recognition / buzz.

Publicly claiming huge production goals, then upping the timeline for such was a major & unnecessary mistake.

[oldshurst442]

6 hours ago, balthazar said:

The company is tiny yet has huge name recognition / buzz.

Publicly claiming huge production goals, then upping the timeline for such was a major & unnecessary mistake.

 

I wonder if this recent hiccup will put a dent in their perception.

And if it doesnt...I wonder how many more hiccups  and/or missteps it will take for people to take them off that pedestal.

I must apologize to you as you called it...you questioned their ability to get the Model 3 production on time and I contradicted you.

You were right, I was wrong.

With that being said, this is an error that Tesla will surely learn from, like with the Model X's unnecessary complicated rear doors that Musk admitted was a wrong decision. 

The Model 3 is a fantastic EV that hits many sweet spots regarding where the Model 3 fits in in its market with its  targeted consumer.

Size, range, price....

It also falls short in some areas but no car is perfect.

(If) and when Tesla gets production going on it and the people that actually reserved for it get to own the bloody thing, it will only make Tesla that much more desirable.

GM does have 20 EVs heading our way from now until 2021 or 2022 or whenever they said, which will most definitely give Tesla a run for its money...its just that Tesla is the one that is the more desirable product. For now. 

Question remains. How many more hiccups and missteps can Tesla afford to make until people give up on them.

It took GM (and the other 2 members of the Detroit gang) a lot before they lost America's confidence. 2 decades worth of not so-good cars such as the Pinto and Vega and Citation, etc.

 

LETS US NOT FORGET THOUGH...TESLA IS A GLOBAL COMPANY.

TESLA SELLS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND TESLA IS DESIRABLE GLOBALLY...

Edited October 12, 2017 by oldshurst442

[balthazar]

Thanks for the kudo; it seems rather obvious if one is objective.

It's a rarified event for a publicly-held company to exist 14 years with zero profit- the stock should be around where Ford's was back around 2009; $2.50/share. The public perception surrounding Tesla is unprecedented in the auto industry. I've never seen such an extreme disconnect between investors and a company balance sheet. That's incredible good will/ perception/ suspension of tangibility. But the lack of profitability HAS to be biting at Musk hard at this point.

Musk has done so much right but at the same time he seems so easily distracted. Inter-city rocket travel?? Is this making people who have waited 2 years for their Model 3 feel better towards the Company?

'Tesla is more than a car company' - then it needs more than one guy to run all these companies. The name is made on EV vehicles; focus on getting that to run smoothly and start making a profit. Tesla vehicles is the cornerstone, it must be on bedrock if the entity is to survive. This other 'pie-in-the-sky' stuff has to wait. 

[oldshurst442]

Yes...and I dont get the part where Tesla is jumping the gun on 18 wheelers and yet another CUV, but doesnt know what platform to build it on...another bespoke platform or use the Model 3...but the Model 3 is not off the ground yet...production hell as its called...

Shouldnt all Tesla's resources...all resources...man power, money, brains, thoughts, prayers...be focused on getting the Model 3 to consumer's hands instead of milking the Tesla buzz into products that wont be produced for another decade or two the way Tesla runs things now???!!!

[Drew Dowdell]

9 hours ago, FAPTurbo said:

do they charge a vehicle in a half hour? no. 

i used a 'fast charger' with my tesla and it took forever. the only positive was that it was near a denny's so i could go inside and remind myself why i live on a coast. 

The Bolt gets a 90% charge in 30 minutes if starting from zero on a DC Fast Charger.   

[ccap41]

43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The Bolt gets a 90% charge in 30 minutes if starting from zero on a DC Fast Charger.   

miles* 90 miles in 30 minutes. 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-chevrolet-bolt-specs-comparison/

Which is still much slower than a Tesla on a SuperCharger. 130 miles in 30 minutes. 

[surreal1272]

6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

miles* 90 miles in 30 minutes. 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-chevrolet-bolt-specs-comparison/

Which is still much slower than a Tesla on a SuperCharger. 130 miles in 30 minutes. 

He never said it was faster but FAP implied that Bolt had no fast charging when they clearly do.

[Cmicasa the Great]

9 hours ago, Blake Noble said:

when you finally make a post that actually acknowledges the bigger picture, maybe it won’t get deleted.

 

also, for the record, everyone who is anyone knows that, if you want a classic casual sit down experience and salad bar induced diarrhea, you sit your ass down at big boy. or shoney’s.

Bigger picture??? That's all I have done since I stated posting in this thread SLICK.. The post that got deleted was about Frogger's off-topic BS and insult of Cadillac owners.

But in your words... What is the bigger picture? The way I see the bigger pic is the same was I saw it back on the Post from  Monday at 11:32 AM. That Tesla's moment is possibly diminishing with every day that passes.. as the big boys gravitate towards an EV rich line-up. The Bolt.. a singularity at GM is currently eating away at Tesla's market share in one quick swoop.. and it just went country wide a few months ago... not to mention as someone else pointed out... it looks more "tree-hugger than hotrod." What happens when GM's ( or other OEs) experiment is over.. yielding them all the awards.. new conquest sales.. a stock price that has been strong since this new foray into future propulsion was announced.. and a new reputation for GREEN.. and they decide to implement all they have learned in from the Bolt/Volt into a regular looking Malibu, CT3, XT5, Tahoe or Silvy??? Tesla either goes the way of Tucker.. or is swallowed up like... Eagle.. or made into a subsid like Maserati for the name. 

[Drew Dowdell]

33 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

miles* 90 miles in 30 minutes. 

http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-chevrolet-bolt-specs-comparison/

Which is still much slower than a Tesla on a SuperCharger. 130 miles in 30 minutes. 

whoops.. you're right. I haven't had my tea yet.

but still.... it's not like it's slow.

[Drew Dowdell]

Tesla's high share price will prevent them from getting swallowed up

[Cmicasa the Great]

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

whoops.. you're right. I haven't had my tea yet.

but still.... it's not like it's slow.

150A  DC charger the Bolt goes to 100 miles range. which is easily enough if U are in a hurry. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Tesla's high share price will prevent them from getting swallowed up

We both kno that stock prices can bottom out in a hurry.. especially when the entire company is a non-profit making entity that is full of debt and has production woes that could hurt it very soon. One good recall or serious issue with a singular product line.. (they only have three at this point) could kill them. $355 right now.. but a penny stock tomorrow. Drastic I kno.. but still investors are getting weary

• "Every month that passes without significant deliveries of the Model 3 will shine the lights on Tesla and force stockholders to check under the hood and they may be distressed to find a cash incineration engine," Yusko, whose firm manages $1.8 billion, wrote in an email. CNBC

 

On another note.. what is the deal with the U.S. gov not pushing for the European jump on 350 KW charging stations? 190 miles of range in about 20 minutes is fantastic. 

[Drew Dowdell]

DOesn't matter if the government pushes it if the cars aren't able to handle it.

There is such a thing as recharging a battery too fast

[ccap41]

46 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

150A  DC charger the Bolt goes to 100 miles range. which is easily enough if U are in a hurry. 

If you're in a hurry a 30 minute wait isn't what you're looking for, regardless of the vehicle you're charging. Hopefully a charger is available too. 

40 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

On another note.. what is the deal with the U.S. gov not pushing for the European jump on 350 KW charging stations? 190 miles of range in about 20 minutes is fantastic. 

That's game-changing type of charging right there. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

37 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

DOesn't matter if the government pushes it if the cars aren't able to handle it.

There is such a thing as recharging a battery too fast

True.. but the tech is rising by the day. The batteries are what they are right now.. but again we both kno that they are a way better than they were 3 years ago

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

If you're in a hurry a 30 minute wait isn't what you're looking for, regardless of the vehicle you're charging. Hopefully a charger is available too. 

you don't do a full charge if you're in a hurry, you only give yourself enough range to make it to your next planned charge.

So if you're only planning on another 30 miles before you plug in again... just stay charging for 15 minutes.  You're also probably not starting from absolute zero. 

Again, living with an EV requires changing your mindset on how, when, and how much you charge up.  You'll rarely, if ever, do a full charge while you're away from the house and you'll start each morning with a full charge.

[Cmicasa the Great]

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

If you're in a hurry a 30 minute wait isn't what you're looking for, regardless of the vehicle you're charging. Hopefully a charger is available too. 

That's game-changing type of charging right there. 

Hence the reason why the industry hasn't just abandoned ICEs. I still believe that despite the Bolt's current success.. the Chevy Volt and CT6 PHEV are the better vehicles simply because of the current infrastructure issues. Gas stations are way more plentiful than EV charging.. not to mention a fill up to 400 miles is only 5 minutes, with a run inside for a Hoagie away. IMO.. GM would be smart to play that car too. Boost the EV range of the Volt, CT6, and what's coming... to say 100 miles.. and still have that gas tank sitting there for us slackers. 

[oldshurst442]

Hold on now...

We are getting away from reality.

The Bolt...or Model 3... has a range of at least 200 miles the first thing we do when we get into the car when we first drive it assuming we plugged it in the night before so we have a 100% charge from the get-go...

To use all that range...it will take...simple grade school math...3 hours of driving 65 mph to exhaust the range and we will have traveled...about 200 miles...

Why the phoque are we traveling in a hurry when our known destination is more than 3 hours away and more than 200 miles?

An airplane might be more of an appropriate method of travel, non?

 

(The argument is about us being in a hurry)

(EV infrastructure being on the thin side as of now...its more about personal  choices and EVs as of now)

Edited October 12, 2017 by oldshurst442

[ccap41]

2 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

I still believe that despite the Bolt's current success.. the Chevy Volt and CT6 PHEV are the better vehicles simply because of the current infrastructure issues.

Jesus Christ, Olds.. Like Drew was saying... if you're regularly charging just a little more than you need to get from A to B(chargers) meaning you're not approaching this scenario with a full charge because..I don't know.. it's a got damn emergency and unexpected..  

[Drew Dowdell]

8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Jesus Christ, Olds.. Like Drew was saying... if you're regularly charging just a little more than you need to get from A to B(chargers) meaning you're not approaching this scenario with a full charge because..I don't know.. it's a got damn emergency and unexpected..  

For the amount of money you'll save in gasoline, enterprise will deliver a car to your door

Edit:  Also... you missed the part where you're starting out every day with a full "tank". 

[Robert Hall]

7 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

Why the phoque are we traveling in a hurry when our known destination is more than 3 hours away and more than 200 miles?

An airplane might be more of an appropriate method of travel, non?

 

Si... usually if it's over about 4hrs I fly unless the road trip is a scheduled part of a vacation/etc.   If its a 3 day weekend, I'd rather fly than waste hours on the road. 

[oldshurst442]

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Jesus Christ, Olds.. Like Drew was saying... if you're regularly charging just a little more than you need to get from A to B(chargers) meaning you're not approaching this scenario with a full charge because..I don't know.. it's a got damn emergency and unexpected..  

*SIGH*

The  "if" argument...

Last week on my day off....not today...my car was running on fumes sitting in  my drive-way...

If its an emergency that urgent...and the gas tank is running on fumes...then it will take about 8-10 minutes to fully gas up and pay...possibly 15 minutes...and in an emergency...8-10-15 minutes is still too long...

I hate  "if"  arguments as much as I hate semantic driven counter points...

7 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

For the amount of money you'll save in gasoline, enterprise will deliver a car to your door

Edit:  Also... you missed the part where you're starting out every day with a full "tank". 

 

I did mention that...didnt I?

You CONTINUE to stress that part, dont you?

Its FRUSTRATING that people STILL dont get that!!!

[ccap41]

7 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

For the amount of money you'll save in gasoline, enterprise will deliver a car to your door

Edit:  Also... you missed the part where you're starting out every day with a full "tank". 

Yes, I know. Full tank. Did you miss the "emergency" part? Or we could just say this is middle of the summer and 98 degrees outside or winter and 15 degrees outside and you no longer have 220 or so miles of range.. Pick and choose the scenario as there are more than 1. 

144 miles of range in the cold? That's only 60% of it's perfect weather capability... 

https://www.slashgear.com/5-things-we-learned-on-our-chevrolet-bolt-winter-road-trip-19485525/  (interesting read BTW)

Tesla owners say almost the same exact thing losing roughly 30-50% range in the cold. 

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/cold-weather-range-loss

19 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

*SIGH*

The  "if" argument...

Last week on my day off....not today...my car was running on fumes sitting in  my drive-way...

If its an emergency that urgent...and the gas tank is running on fumes...then it will take about 8-10 minutes to fully gas up and pay...possibly 15 minutes...and in an emergency...8-10-15 minutes is still too long...

I hate  "if"  arguments as much as I hate semantic driven counter points...

Isn't that one reason we buy the cars and things we buy? What if.. I need this or that? Phones, we buy the larger capacity just in case we fill up the smaller one, We buy the larger engine for the 3 times a year we pass people but justify it as a 'what if I need it', we buy the house with 2 more rooms than we NEED because "what if we need the space".. most everything. We buy the larger hot dog or the meal for the "what if" I'm still hungry after just the hot dog... 

[Drew Dowdell]

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Yes, I know. Full tank. Did you miss the "emergency" part? Or we could just say this is middle of the summer and 98 degrees outside or winter and 15 degrees outside and you no longer have 220 or so miles of range.. Pick and choose the scenario as there are more than 1. 

144 miles of range in the cold? That's only 60% of it's perfect weather capability... 

https://www.slashgear.com/5-things-we-learned-on-our-chevrolet-bolt-winter-road-trip-19485525/  (interesting read BTW)

Tesla owners say almost the same exact thing losing roughly 30-50% range in the cold. 

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/cold-weather-range-loss

Yes, and the Mexicans might invade tomorrow, if they do, we'll all be in trouble.

People (well most people) don't buy their cars based on "what-if" scenarios like that.  240+ miles of range and charging up every night is sufficient for 99% of non-commercial driving.

[oldshurst442]

That is still 144 miles...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_Montreal

 

Location	Saint Lawrence River
Coordinates	45°30′01″N 73°38′47″WCoordinates: 45°30′01″N 73°38′47″W
Archipelago	Hochelaga Archipelago
Area	499.19 km2 (192.74 sq mi)
Length	50 km (31 mi)
Width	16 km (9.9 mi)
Highest elevation	233 m (764 ft)
Highest point	Mount Royal

 

Montreal has a length of 31 miles... 

From one tip to the other tip...31 miles...62 miles to do one end then return back home...

that is a huge ass island...

I live off island on the west while my mom lived near the end of the east tip...it was a 40 KM (25 miles)route for me to see her...1 hour drive on average. 80 KM (50 miles)back and forth..

40 minutes no traffic the fastest I traveled to see her and 1.5 hours with traffic being the slowest...

You make up your own minds about 144 miles on a charge being too close for  comfort in an emergency, but think about what obstacles lay ahead of you when talking about city travel other than range anxiety mostly for speed and traffic...because...well...you know...emergency...

Edited October 12, 2017 by oldshurst442

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

.. what is the deal with the U.S. gov not pushing for the European jump on 350 KW charging stations? 190 miles of range in about 20 minutes is fantastic. 

At least GM is involved in this along with Ford and others. They see the future, but like our stupid government that has decided to allow multiple standards for cell phone, it would seem it is willing to let the consumers waste money on lower standards.

In this regards I praise Tesla for the SuperCharger, Hopefully VW fine that will go into the nation Charger system will help push to this much higher standard. 

The tech is there, why not just go with 800 kWh charging. Jump and not just leap to a new level.

[ccap41]

5 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

"what-if" scenarios like that. 

Not like that but absolutely on "what if" scenarios. Bigger vehicle, larger trunk/hatch, more towing, bigger engine, more efficient engine, etc. People will spend a premium thinking they'll save money with better fuel economy when really it'll take like 20 years to actually benefit from that.. 

[G. David Felt]

44 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Why the phoque are we traveling in a hurry when our known destination is more than 3 hours away and more than 200 miles?

An airplane might be more of an appropriate method of travel, non?

 

(The argument is about us being in a hurry)

(EV infrastructure being on the thin side as of now...its more about personal  choices and EVs as of now)

COOL ROAD TRIPS, Some of us enjoying seeing North America from the ground not at 35,000 feet.  

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

Not like that but absolutely on "what if" scenarios. Bigger vehicle, larger trunk/hatch, more towing, bigger engine, more efficient engine, etc. People will spend a premium thinking they'll save money with better fuel economy when really it'll take like 20 years to actually benefit from that.. 

If that were the case, then we should all be driving Tahoe Hybrids.  Because you never know if you'll need to fill in for the Secret Service during a fuel shortage. 

[ccap41]

I would definitely rather fly but if it's only a 4 hour trip you're really not saving much time and then you'll still have to either Uber/Lyft/cab everywhere or rent a vehicle. 

For me, the airport is about 50 minutes away, get there an hour and a half early, fly for 45 minutes to Chicago(4-4.5 hour drive from home), then I have to wait around for my bags.. how much time was really saved flying? 

[oldshurst442]

5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Not like that but absolutely on "what if" scenarios. Bigger vehicle, larger trunk/hatch, more towing, bigger engine, more efficient engine, etc. People will spend a premium thinking they'll save money with better fuel economy when really it'll take like 20 years to actually benefit from that.. 

I went to university...never finished...but I did study marketing....

Something about "early adopters" rings a bell ...not quite sure how it fits in here though...

Edited October 12, 2017 by oldshurst442

[G. David Felt]

Course this is all for nothing as proper lazy people would pay for the wireless charging option so every time they come home and park in the same garage or spot on their driveway, they would get charged up and you would never be empty or low even in an Emergency situation.

The company that built this solution for the VOLT, Leaf, i3 they support all the compliance EV's has also expanded to make it work for the BOLT and Tesla. So why plug when you can just wirelessly charge.

[ccap41]

2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

If that were the case, then we should all be driving Tahoe Hybrids.  Because you never know if you'll need to fill in for the Secret Service during a fuel shortage. 

But you know exactly what I mean, in all seriousness... instead of a compact car.. they opted for a compact SUV... instead of the compact suv with the base engine they got the next engine up.. I didn't say they jump to the extreme but they justify the next purchase up based on "what if i need this". 

[G. David Felt]

4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

If that were the case, then we should all be driving Tahoe Hybrids.  Because you never know if you'll need to fill in for the Secret Service during a fuel shortage. 

Can I opt out if Potus45 calls for a fill in?

I get the point your making.  

[oldshurst442]

4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

COOL ROAD TRIPS, Some of us enjoying seeing North America from the ground not at 35,000 feet.  

Tell that to @Cubical-aka-Moltar

He is the one to take the airplane...

 

Id rather see the USA in my Chevrolet.

 

[Robert Hall]

I do road trips once in a while, but in reality---if I have a 4 day weekend to go somewhere, I'm not going to waste 8 or more hours on a boring interstate...

[Drew Dowdell]

Just now, ccap41 said:

But you know exactly what I mean, in all seriousness... instead of a compact car.. they opted for a compact SUV... instead of the compact suv with the base engine they got the next engine up.. I didn't say they jump to the extreme but they justify the next purchase up based on "what if i need this". 

I understand that thought process... but instead of spreading FUD like you're doing lately, perhaps look into what daily life with an EV is really like.  If you changed your mindset on your fill-up habits, I think you'd find that a vehicle with the range of a Bolt would work just fine for your driving habits. 

2 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Tell that to @Cubical-aka-Moltar

He is the one to take the airplane...

 

Id rather see the USA in my Chevrolet.

 

 

1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

I do road trips once in a while, but in reality---if I have a 4 day weekend to go somewhere, I'm not going to waste 8 or more hours on a boring interstate...

 

I see both points.  If it is a planned road trip, I have no problem with it.... but if I'm going to spend more time driving than in the location I'm heading to, and the location is the whole purpose of the trip... then I'll more likely fly. 

The drive to and from Florida last month was killer... and since most of it was overnight, I didn't really see much of anything.

[oldshurst442]

1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

I do road trips once in a while, but in reality---if I have a 4 day weekend to go somewhere, I'm not going to waste 8 or more hours on a boring interstate...

I do roads trips too. The kind that you actually see things...

Boring interstates and highways I wont do either. I do airplane travel also and commit more time to the place of destination itself. Its the smart thing to do.

[G. David Felt]

Seems the Tesla 3 Forum fans are also very disappointed in the Supercharger lack of with the Tesla 3.

Per Tesla:

Standard Battery

• Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)
• Supercharging rate: 130 miles of range per 30 minutes
• Home charging rate: 30 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 32A)

Long Range Battery - $9,000

• Range: 310 miles
• Supercharging rate: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes
• Home charging rate: 37 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 40A)

Yet it seems many are wondering why and the answer is very clear, cost, warranty, etc. Your not paying for the S class of Tesla, your paying for the 3 class of low mass produced Tesla. 

The Average Joe, nothing special.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/slower-supercharging-on-model-3.94934/

Plenty of interesting reads:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/forums/model-3.137/

Seems some are very concerned even among the faithful about the lack of manual controls and the single screen.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/is-a-lack-of-instrumentation-dangerous.95539/

Yet move to the Real Tesla Site and I am happy to see many have questioned why the Tesla 3 does NOT have HUD. Seem I am not the only one that has concerns with the single screen that is touch only and takes your eyes off the road.

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/tesla-model-3

[Drew Dowdell]

5 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I do roads trips too. The kind that you actually see things...

Boring interstates and highways I wont do either. I do airplane travel also and commit more time to the place of destination itself. Its the smart thing to do.

He lives in the middle of Ohio... the first 4 hours of any trip are going to be boring interstates. 

[Robert Hall]

5 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

He lives in the middle of Ohio... the first 4 hours of any trip are going to be boring interstates. 

Since I've been here, I've taken a few short trips east and west along Lake Erie.  The coastal roads through little towns are pretty scenic.  

[ccap41]

41 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I understand that thought process... but instead of spreading FUD like you're doing lately, perhaps look into what daily life with an EV is really like.  If you changed your mindset on your fill-up habits, I think you'd find that a vehicle with the range of a Bolt would work just fine for your driving habits. 

What exactly has been "FUD"? We've already been over this... A Volt's range would be perfect and I'd only use gas once per week without the quirkiness of 100% EV. 

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

What exactly has been "FUD"? We've already been over this... A Volt's range would be perfect and I'd only use gas once per week without the quirkiness of 100% EV. 

F.U.D. = Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt

You keep bringing up these out-of-the-norm scenarios that don't apply to most driving.... as I pointed out in my extreme example.  If you could use a Volt and only use gas once per week (I assume you mean run beyond the 50 mile range, not that you'd fill up once a week), a Bolt would still suit you.  You're still not driving 250 miles in a day once per week.