Tesla Model 3 Production Has Some 'Bottlenecks'

[frogger]

21 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I know in some parts of the US and Canada they have closed down...in Quebec they are still around...but with a French name...La Source.

But in Quebec too, in the last year or two...financial troubles have hit and closures have happened

The Source is across Canada, owned by Bell Canada.

 

[G. David Felt]

Musk Tweeted last night a delay in the Semi-truck of a few weeks to divert money to fixing the Tesla 3 mess since less than 260 cars have been produced and they were supposed to be up to 1500 a week by now.

Guess Musk should have talked to GM about EV Production.  

[balthazar]

On 10/6/2017 at 10:24 AM, ccap41 said:

I don't know what kind of jump you speak of but with all of the flooding in the past month some of that could effect that. Which is likely another reason the D3 did well last month as well. 

Look at the average monthly range for the Model S & X, then look at September. Not sure what's going on there, but I don't see it being a sudden market demand... unless it's defectors from the troubled Model 3 launch ponying up.

Bolt has a steady, linear march upward, while Tesla has always been erratic. Production ability has to be a prime factor in that (with both OEMs).

Edited October 7, 2017 by balthazar

[surreal1272]

44 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

The only one that was bitching about it was you and your caps lock key. You had answer some several people. They just weren’t answers you liked. 

Correction. You had answers from several people (don’t know what autocorrect was thinking there). 

[G. David Felt]

WOW, Multiple stories that have Tesla having hand built a ton of parts to allow them to get the Tesla 3 into productions and now that major problems have shown up, Tesla is redirecting money to get the parts auto assembly built so they take the human error factor out.

Parts that will be replaced in ALL TESLA 3 models are as follows:

Headlights

Tail lights

Front and Rear seats

Battery Packs

The rest of the parts are smaller components according to company insiders as Tesla focuses on only delivering these prototype cars to the employees who will have to deal with numerous changes as production parts come online.

Seems the Gigawatt production line is also way behind in producing enough battery packs for the Tesla 3 as they also struggle to keep up with demand for the model X & S.

electrek story

Guess my statement about talking to a major OEM about ramping up production might just have been true is Musk could get over his ego.

This could also totally explain the non-working FM and internet streaming from the car, needing to WiFi your smartphone to the car to get any music to play. 

Interesting 

[oldshurst442]

9 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

The only one that was bitching about it was you and your caps lock key. You had answer some several people. They just weren’t answers you liked. 

8 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Correction. You had answers from several people (don’t know what autocorrect was thinking there). 

 Correction:

You need an audio version of that...from Youtube since FM Radio aint available for me to link up to you!

 

[oldshurst442]

5 hours ago, dfelt said:

WOW, Multiple stories that have Tesla having hand built a ton of parts to allow them to get the Tesla 3 into productions and now that major problems have shown up, Tesla is redirecting money to get the parts auto assembly built so they take the human error factor out.

Parts that will be replaced in ALL TESLA 3 models are as follows:

Headlights

Tail lights

Front and Rear seats

Battery Packs

The rest of the parts are smaller components according to company insiders as Tesla focuses on only delivering these prototype cars to the employees who will have to deal with numerous changes as production parts come online.

Seems the Gigawatt production line is also way behind in producing enough battery packs for the Tesla 3 as they also struggle to keep up with demand for the model X & S.

electrek story

Guess my statement about talking to a major OEM about ramping up production might just have been true is Musk could get over his ego.

This could also totally explain the non-working FM and internet streaming from the car, needing to WiFi your smartphone to the car to get any music to play. 

Interesting 

 

19 hours ago, smk4565 said:

It doesn't matter what kind of radio or streaming music is in it if the production line isn't running.   This is the problem Tesla has to solve, they can design the car, they have to produce the car.

SMK...

You are 100% right!!!

 

@frogger

I did not know that. Although I do know that when Radio Shack went bye-bye and Circuit City bought them out, I thought the name change was due to Quebec French Language laws...you know...the name Circuit City aint exactly French Language friendly...I thought Circuit City was everywhere else in Canada and La Source was in Quebec!

Thanx for the info!

[surreal1272]

17 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

 Correction:

You need an audio version of that...from Youtube since FM Radio aint available for me to link up to you!

 

Denial can be a powerful thing when one is only seeking validation for their insanity.

 

Moving on...

Tesla is clearly finding out, the hard way it seems, that mass production is truly a bitch and not something that is mastered over night. 

[oldshurst442]

21 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Denial can be a powerful thing when one is only seeking validation for their insanity.

That is not it...bro.

But its OK...

Continue barking when in the end...ALL OF US HAVE MOVED ON!

Call it insanity...call it denial...call it what you want...

GRRRR! Woof. Woof. Woof!

 

Oddly enough...this endless bickering for FM radio that YOU dont seem to want to move on from...NOW... reminds me of this, behind our computer screens.

 

hey...Surreal...what did the 5 fingers say to the face?

SLAP!

 

[ccap41]

On 10/7/2017 at 9:32 AM, dfelt said:

Musk Tweeted last night a delay in the Semi-truck of a few weeks to divert money to fixing the Tesla 3 mess since less than 260 cars have been produced and they were supposed to be up to 1500 a week by now.

Guess Musk should have talked to GM about EV Production.  

He's trying to run the most automated production line and having issues getting all of the kinks worked out. 

On 10/7/2017 at 1:00 PM, dfelt said:

Guess my statement about talking to a major OEM about ramping up production might just have been true is Musk could get over his ego.

lol they have employees who have worked for major auto companies. They aren't just winging it. 

21 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

That is not it...bro.

But its OK...

Continue barking when in the end...ALL OF US HAVE MOVED ON!

The irony in this post... 

[surreal1272]

12 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

He's trying to run the most automated production line and having issues getting all of the kinks worked out. 

lol they have employees who have worked for major auto companies. They aren't just winging it. 

The irony in this post... 

Two pages full of IRONY (and apparently a broken caps lock key) and that’s why I stand by my statement. 

Edited October 9, 2017 by surreal1272

[oldshurst442]

9 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

He's trying to run the most automated production line and having issues getting all of the kinks worked out. 

lol they have employees who have worked for major auto companies. They aren't just winging it. 

The irony in this post... 

 

1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

Two pages full of irony and that’s why I stand by my statement. 

The irony in the irony of this and that post...

2 guys still moping around talking about irony in the irony of moving on...

I on the other hand have resorted to posting animal gifs...including two barking dogs barking at each other...with a fence between them...yet both dogs could get access top each other...LET ME HAVE HIM!!! Because SYMBOLISM...

Yet...now we seem to be barking at irony in ironies...

Because CCAP and Surreal want the final word...

I truly have moved on...and so have others!

Question is...have you both moved on?

Or are ya gonna mention me one more time???!!!

Because moving on means moving on...INCLUDING NOT MENTIONING ME IN THIS FM DISCUSIION THAT WAS 2 PAGES AGO! READ...AND YOU BOTH IDIOTS WILL SEE THAT "TIS ONLY YOU THAT HAS GONE BACK TO IT!!!

LAST TIME I CHECKED...ANIMAL GIFS IS NOT A VIABLE FM RADIO ARGUMENT!!!

YEAH...THE IRONY OF BOTH OF YOU TRYING TO TROLL ME WITH ME NOT MOVING ON!!!

STOP TROLLING ME!!!!

IS THAT CLEAR FOR YOU!!!!

OR DO I HAVE TO RESORT TO ANOTHER BATCH OF ANIMAL GIFS FOR YOU IDIOTS TO GET THE MESSAGE???!!!

 

 

[surreal1272]

Like I said, IroNY.

 

And you do not get to tell me what to do Olds and no one is trolling you. You were called out on your many senseless rants about something only you really cared about (which is what you do to folks here all the damn time so again, IroNY), so get over it and move on. I know that might be a new concept for you and your caps lock laden tirades but stranger things have happened in this world.

 

And you clear HAVE NOT moved on or you would not have bothered to reply. You are just chock full of irony here. Good day folks. 

Edited October 9, 2017 by surreal1272

[ccap41]

#Triggered 

[surreal1272]

Anywho, the big question here is what can Tesla do, realistically, to address this bottleneck in production? All these claims of 200K per year seem like pure fodder and a pipe dream unless something changes soon.

[Robert Hall]

3 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Anywho, the big question here is what can Tesla do, realistically, to address this bottleneck in production? All these claims of 200K per year seem like pure fodder and a pipe dream unless something changes soon.

I do wonder if to achieve 200k a year they will have to subcontract out some of the assembly, maybe to a supplier like Magna or Valmet.   Though I have no idea how much of their assembly line processes is compatible with normal auto manufacturing processes...

Edited October 9, 2017 by Cubical-aka-Moltar

[ccap41]

Their problem is the automation that they expected to be ready by now still is having issues. Once they have everything running properly I don't see how they would project incorrectly. As of now, the assembly line just isn't in motion.. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

Here is the real issue that Tesla needs to deal with: Despite the fact that they awakened a renewed interest in the long forgot EV car market.. (yes.. EVs were around in the beginning of automotive) in which at one point commanded about 30% of the U.S. market before the into of the mass produced Ford Model T and even more lethal to the cause.. GM inventing (thru Kettering) the electric/auto starter.. Tesla needs to realize that its WOW EFFECT is dissipating. In truth, the only thing that Tesla truly has going for it is that it currently has a captive market on 0-60 times and sportier styling. That's it. The Bolt actually is a better offering all around if for no other reason than it has CHEVY/GM as its backer. That's approx 200 dealerships to have your car serviced versus 3000. Add in the fact that in one go.. one go.. the Bolt has better range by  economic standards versus it's closest competitor at Tesla in price... the Model 3 and a similar 0-60 jump. 6.3 vs 5.6.

Back to the WOW effect.. at this point Chevy.. Ford.. Toyota.. are all toying with Tesla.. and if they truly wanted to could instantly SHUT THAT COMPANY DOWN in terms of market capability. GM just announced that it will be putting out another 20 in 5 years and 2 more in 18 months. Consider the possibilities. Looking at the Bolt numbers.. Volt numbers.. all GM would really have to do is produce a... Lacrosse... or Regal sized EV, with similar amenities  and the Model S is put out to pasture. And really. Do U think that they don't already have a few running around with fake tailpipes tacked on to fool the paparazzi? 

[G. David Felt]

@Cmicasa the Great Seems wall street is loosing it's patience and the luster of Musk as there are multiple stories out today about being time to reevaluate Tesla as it trades 67 times yearly earnings.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/the-truth-is-catching-up-with-tesla/ar-AAt1RxU?li=BBnbfcL

Truth is catching up to Musk and Tesla. If they cannot start building in volume by the end of the year as they are burning through 1 billion a quarter with 20 billion in debt already and still no solar roofs other than executives who got them after the solar city purchase of his cousins company, 

Tesla could end up caput since the other OEMs are now focused and paying attention.

[Cmicasa the Great]

exactly @dfelt. Real talk. When Tesla was the only game in town things were cool. Now the big boys are jumping on as we all knu they would. GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Honda etc.. the question remains is WTF is FCA in all of this? Are they holding out for the niche of ICEs when all other makers are firmly planted in EV?

This way of the future... GM just acquired Strobe for the LIDAR tech.. to augment and help its acquisition of Cruise Automation. 

[balthazar]

Where did this "200K" volume number come from? Did Tesla state that would be this year's production?
I'm looking more strongly (at the decidedly less likely) "500K" rate for next year, which begins in 12 weeks.

My prediction : Tesla will not be able to produce 200K NEXT year.

[oldshurst442]

Now that this thread had run its  course...

I...have let it go...but...

On 10/9/2017 at 10:35 AM, surreal1272 said:

And you do not get to tell me what to do Olds and no one is trolling you.

 

 

 

On 10/9/2017 at 10:38 AM, ccap41 said:

#Triggered 

You Surreal...you dont get to tell me what to do either...

And yes...trolling...hence the # remark...

Both of you did not succeed in tearing me apart.

A song that was popular on FM radio in 1988...

 

You could hashtag this up your ass!

 

 

Good night!

 

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2017 by oldshurst442

[surreal1272]

Seek validation elsewhere. You will not find it here. The rest of us are still talking about relevant subject matter like the Tesla 3 and not whether Olds got his validation for something only he seemed to care about.

 

Clearly @ccap41 was right.

Edited October 10, 2017 by surreal1272

[oldshurst442]

22 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Seek validation elsewhere. You will not find it here. The rest of us are still talking about relevant subject matter like the Tesla 3 and not whether Olds got his validation for something only he seemed to care about.

 

Clearly @ccap41 was right.

 

[oldshurst442]

@Surreal...

All you want is the last word...

 It seems YOU want to be  validated for justice posting!

It aint about FM posting...you want revenge...for whatever reason...

And it seems your little lap dog CCAP is on your side...when a while ago..you were on his  case regarding down  votes...

He was on  my case for that too...but he decided to leave us for a half a year...

You mentioned that I do things to people...

I dont hark at them like you do...you are like a leech...

Yeah...waiting for your next post about  validation or whatever other justice words you are gonna use on me...

 

 

 

 

[ccap41]

14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

you dont get to tell me what to do either...

I didn't tell you what to do.

I just stated what you were, and that was triggered. 

13 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

And it seems your little lap dog CCAP is on your side...when a while ago..you were on his  case regarding down  votes...

Sorry we agree on something...? 

[surreal1272]

43 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I didn't tell you what to do.

I just stated what you were, and that was triggered. 

Sorry we agree on something...? 

It’s sad when one doesn’t get that I (nor you) need agreement from the other in order to make a point against basic lunacy. People sometimes agree and people sometimes disagree. It’s called life and he needs to understand that point before making another seemingly drunken post about it. 

[oldshurst442]

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

It’s sad when one doesn’t get that I (nor you) need agreement from the other in order to make a point against basic lunacy. People sometimes agree and people sometimes disagree. It’s called life and he needs to understand that point before making another seemingly drunken post about it. 

 

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

I didn't tell you what to do.

I just stated what you were, and that was triggered. 

Sorry we agree on something...? 

 

Every little thing that I say or do
Your hung up
Your hung up one me!!!

 

But you are not hangin' up, are ya?

 

Open up your heart...Ill make you love me

 

Edited October 11, 2017 by oldshurst442

[Robert Hall]

Back to reality, Musk says Tesla still in 'production hell'.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/10/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-in-model-3-production-hell/

[surreal1272]

19 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Back to reality, Musk says Tesla still in 'production hell'.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/10/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-in-model-3-production-hell/

Reality indeed. Musk is definitely finding out the hard way that it’s not so easy to mass produce when you have no history of mass production. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

and that was a big issue from the on-set. As I stated before.. by the time the Model 3 gets up and running.. Ford and GM will have already started building more "mainstream" looking EVs. Seriously..looking at the Model 3 is it really worth all the Hoopla? I'm talking about a vehicle that goes 220 miles on a charge for $35K or 310 miles for a WHOPPING $9K more.. and looks like an uglier version of the Lexus IS and Porsche Panamera mashed up together. 

I call on Chevy to convert its Malibu Hybrid into a complete EV.. so we can have a better looking Model 3 competitor

[ccap41]

Well, until GM makes an EV car.. it is easily the best looker of the available "affordable" EVs. 

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

and that was a big issue from the on-set. As I stated before.. by the time the Model 3 gets up and running.. Ford and GM will have already started building more "mainstream" looking EVs. Seriously..looking at the Model 3 is it really worth all the Hoopla? I'm talking about a vehicle that goes 220 miles on a charge for $35K or 310 miles for a WHOPPING $9K more.. and looks like an uglier version of the Lexus IS and Porsche Panamera mashed up together. 

I call on Chevy to convert its Malibu Hybrid into a complete EV.. so we can have a better looking Model 3 competitor

Hell Ya, GM could so easily stretch the BOLT platform and dump the Malibu body on it and have a Superior looking EV Sedan. Being bigger, then GM could offer a 100kWh battery pack getting over 300 miles and just kicking Tesla away!  

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Well, until GM makes an EV car.. it is easily the best looker of the available "affordable" EVs. 

Still take a BOLT over the Tesla 3 any day.

[ccap41]

1 minute ago, dfelt said:

Still take a BOLT over the Tesla 3 any day.

That's because you have poor taste in vehicles... 

[G. David Felt]

14 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That's because you have poor taste in vehicles... 

Naw, I just know a superior built auto when I see one. Tesla is far from superior built.  

[oldshurst442]

I can just feel the love with two of our posters...

 

Yes...lets get back to reality...in...deed!

 

[surreal1272]

23 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Hell Ya, GM could so easily stretch the BOLT platform and dump the Malibu body on it and have a Superior looking EV Sedan. Being bigger, then GM could offer a 100kWh battery pack getting over 300 miles and just kicking Tesla away!  

Still take a BOLT over the Tesla 3 any day.

I third the Malibu conversion to EV. Would look leaps and bounds better than the 3 and Chevys own Bolt. Would make even more sense to do the same thing with the Equinox. 

[G. David Felt]

5 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I can just feel the love with two of our posters...

 

Yes...lets get back to reality...in...deed!

 

 

[Robert Hall]

12 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I third the Malibu conversion to EV. Would look leaps and bounds better than the 3 and Chevys own Bolt. Would make even more sense to do the same thing with the Equinox. 

A normcore EV would be a game changer.  I wonder if the Malibu platform can support the EV hardware, as opposed to something purpose-built as an EV like the Bolt. Ford has the Focus Electric, but something like a Malibu EV if it had a good range and price could be a hit...

Edited October 11, 2017 by Cubical-aka-Moltar

[ccap41]

20 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Naw, I just know a superior built auto when I see one. Tesla is far from superior built.  

All you like is soul-less EVs and huge vehicles. Everything else is "jelly bean", "derivative", "hideous", or "too small". 

It appears GM is still learning how to build EVs as well. Nobody is perfect... 

https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/26/chevy-bolt-ev-battery-issues/

 

Malibu EV would be fantastic and I guarantee that size vehicle is one of their upcoming EV's that they said would be out by like, what,  2020 or so? 

[frogger]

They already made the lame hybrid Malibu with the destroyed trunk, wouldn't expect them to invest more in the current gen..

 

[G. David Felt]

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

It appears GM is still learning how to build EVs as well. Nobody is perfect... 

https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/26/chevy-bolt-ev-battery-issues/

We have seen every auto maker have some bad parts and being only 100 affected out of the first 10,000 produced is nothing to worry about. GM came out and admitted the issue and has stated they have contacted all owners and are fixing the issue.

I am not so sure Tesla has done this.

In regards to sou-less auto's, not a single one I own is soul-less as they all have amazing souls and cool names. Course they are all Female and sexy as hell!  

[Cmicasa the Great]

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Well, until GM makes an EV car.. it is easily the best looker of the available "affordable" EVs. 

GM makes an EV car.. its the 2017 NA Car of the Year.. 2017 Green Car of the Year.. 2017 Motor Trend Car of the Year.. selling like hotcakes in terms of EVs. 

and the whole fuckin point of the thread is that the Model 3 IS NOT AVAILABLE

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

All you like is soul-less EVs and huge vehicles. Everything else is "jelly bean", "derivative", "hideous", or "too small". 

It appears GM is still learning how to build EVs as well. Nobody is perfect... 

https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/26/chevy-bolt-ev-battery-issues/

 

Malibu EV would be fantastic and I guarantee that size vehicle is one of their upcoming EV's that they said would be out by like, what,  2020 or so? 

This the type of poster that Googles his heart out to try and find negative shit.. yet still comes up short looking like a blatant shill hater..

GM has admitted to Autoblog that a number of it earliest Bolts have battery issues that could lead to "unexpected loss of propulsion." The good news is that only around one percent of the 10,000-or-so Bolts -- so, approximately 100 -- on the road are affected. -From Fuckin AUGUST

[ccap41]

25 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

GM makes an EV car.. its the 2017 NA Car of the Year.. 2017 Green Car of the Year.. 2017 Motor Trend Car of the Year.. selling like hotcakes in terms of EVs. 

and the whole f@#kin point of the thread is that the Model 3 IS NOT AVAILABLE

Are you talking about the Bolt? That's like a hybid of a suv/car/van thing. It sure as heck isn't a "car". The Volt is a car but it's a plug-in. 

26 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

This the type of poster that Googles his heart out to try and find negative $h!.. yet still comes up short looking like a blatant shill hater..

I'm not hating one bit but the Bolt is ugly compared to the Model 3. Had GM went with a genuine CAR I'd likely like it a heck of a lot more. Its tech and abilities are awesome. It just doesn't look very good.

By the way, it's easy to click the top link of a google search. I wouldn't say the top link was "Googles hit heart out" but you don't like to hear anything negative about The Mother Ship... 

[FAPTurbo]

On 10/9/2017 at 8:32 AM, Cmicasa the Great said:

Tesla needs to realize that its WOW EFFECT is dissipating. In truth, the only thing that Tesla truly has going for it is that it currently has a captive market on 0-60 times and sportier styling.

you forgot both 'prestige' and 'aspirational' but as a cadillac owner, you'd be unfamiliar with either.

[G. David Felt]

52 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

you forgot both 'prestige' and 'aspirational' but as a cadillac owner, you'd be unfamiliar with either.

I would never consider a Tesla owner an Idiot since they are some very wealthy people. Yet with that said, I would also not consider them to be always the smartest as auto owners. Tesla is like Apple. They both have their prestige and aspiration by a select group of folks.

Just like us Cadillac owners enjoy the prestige, aspirational and rich heritage of Cadillac.

Clearly to think Cadillac does not have that even a little has to make one think twice about where you are coming from. 

Every company get a tarnished rep, some die, some come back. it does not mean that there is no prestige or aspiration to be had.

Personally, Apple to me builds crappy products that force you to live their way only and from what I have seen of the Prestige and Aspiration crowd, also some of the most common Lemmings in the universe. Tesla is the same in many regards.

I will credit Tesla with at least finally finding a solid way to move us beyond the ICE Auto. Thank you Musk for that.

Now let's look to see who builds the EV better. My bet is on GM. 

[Intrepidation]

No point in bringing up intelligence as regardless of the vehicle, most driver's are stupid and shouldn't be allowed to operate anything larger than a Matchbox car.

[FAPTurbo]

3 hours ago, dfelt said:

Clearly to think Cadillac does not have that even a little has to make one think twice about where you are coming from. 

i'd ask an ATS owner to back you up but I can't find one anywhere............ :[

3 hours ago, dfelt said:

Personally, Apple to me builds crappy products that force you to live their way only

lol you know what product forces you to live their way only? a chevy bolt... because where are you going to charge it if you don't want to be homestuck?

tesla lets you traverse the continent east-to-west with super fast charging stations, whenever you want. 

[surreal1272]

37 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

i'd ask an ATS owner to back you up but I can't find one anywhere............ :[

lol you know what product forces you to live their way only? a chevy bolt... because where are you going to charge it if you don't want to be homestuck?

tesla lets you traverse the continent east-to-west with super fast charging stations, whenever you want. 

There are charging stations across the country for the Bolt, including fast charging. You are trolling just a little too hard today  

 

[Robert Hall]

Neat app. I see the Hyatt about a mile from me has a charger, as does a Dunkin' Donuts a couple miles away.  (Not that I need one, but I'll admit to being EV-curious)

Edited October 12, 2017 by Cubical-aka-Moltar