Genesis News: Genesis G70 is Korea's 3-Series Challenger

[Drew Dowdell]

Just now, ccap41 said:

Uhhh yeah... what redeeming qualities does a Camaro or Wrangler offer a daily driver over any sedan or CUV? They ride like $h! and have little to no storage in comparison. 

Camaro and Mustang actually ride really nice. I like either of them for a long distance drive.  Wrangler takes its top off, which I'm told can be fun.  The Raptor has at least the abilities that any other truck offers. In any case, for G-Wagon money, I can buy a Camaro, Mustang, Wrangler, and Raptor and still have money left over to fuel all of them for a few years

[G. David Felt]

5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

 I'm just saying why there's a possibility that a reflector may have two different screws because it was an auto show car, not at a dealership. 

That would be true if it was a concept auto being shown but you know as well as I that the majority of the auto's are production auto's off the local dealership lots for the show.

As such, the auto should be tight, and not able to have the screws come loose or lost between the dealership lot, the auto show and people getting in and out of them. 

If the mismatched screw is from the dealership, then that speaks volumes about the dealership and one I would want to avoid.

[Drew Dowdell]

6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I'm not discrediting YOU at all, at least I'm not trying to. I'm just saying why there's a possibility that a reflector may have two different screws because it was an auto show car, not at a dealership. 

I don't recall which show those pictures came from.  If it was Chicago or LA, the car was probably provided by the largest local dealer.  If it was Detroit or NYC, it was probably provided by Benz.   In either event, the cars go through pre-show prep before they go on the floor.  Only the brand new releases for the show are always provided by the manufacturers.

 But who knows? Maybe they put a 1997 G-Wagon on the floor and there was no way I could tell because I didn't have a VIN decoder handy. 

[ccap41]

So if we're talking about their abilities then we can talk about the off road abilities of the G then, right? For daily driving as most adults have their own places to live a G is a more practical vehicle than a Camaro or Mustang as their lone vehicle. You likely will not be able to fit any form of furniture(be it just some shelving or a small bookcase) in a Mustang or Camaro, they're obviously only RWD so you'd better be buying a second set of tires to have put in and off every year(I wouldn't care as that would be a good time to check out some stuff on the car pre and post winter snows). 

1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

But who knows? Maybe they put a 1997 G-Wagon on the floor and there was no way I could tell because I didn't have a VIN decoder handy. 

LOL Touche'... But you could have still looked at the door placard with the build date on it! 

[Drew Dowdell]

2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

That would be true if it was a concept auto being shown but you know as well as I that the majority of the auto's are production auto's off the local dealership lots for the show.

As such, the auto should be tight, and not able to have the screws come loose or lost between the dealership lot, the auto show and people getting in and out of them. 

If the mismatched screw is from the dealership, then that speaks volumes about the dealership and one I would want to avoid.

This is true.  The cars are prepped before they go on the floor and I am on the floor on the first day the show is open.  General peasent public days, yes, the cars get messed up... and there is usually at least one mishap during press days (I got pics of the previous generation Lincoln MKZ catching on fire on the floor). 

But that's just not the case for the G-Wagon.  It wasn't new, people weren't crawling over it. It is mostly ignored. 

[Drew Dowdell]

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

So if we're talking about their abilities then we can talk about the off road abilities of the G then, right? For daily driving as most adults have their own places to live a G is a more practical vehicle than a Camaro or Mustang as their lone vehicle. You likely will not be able to fit any form of furniture(be it just some shelving or a small bookcase) in a Mustang or Camaro, they're obviously only RWD so you'd better be buying a second set of tires to have put in and off every year(I wouldn't care as that would be a good time to check out some stuff on the car pre and post winter snows). 

LOL Touche'... But you could have still looked at the door placard with the build date on it! 

$100k (G-wagon minus the cost of a nice Mustang) buys a LOT of furniture delivery.  Heck, $40k (G-wagon minus an Escalade ESV Platinum) buys a decent F-150 to haul your furniture home in, and then you're getting TWO vehicles that have nicer interiors and more up to date powertrains. 

And I have a second set of tires for my CR-V and Encore also, and they're AWD. 

[G. David Felt]

@Drew Dowdell

So is the GV80 supposed to be the size of the XT5 from Cadillac?

That would then put the GV70 as an XT3 competitor and Driving web site is saying Genesis is now also wanting to do a luxury compact so GV60 or GV50?

http://driving.ca/genesis/auto-news/news/hyundais-genesis-division-wants-to-build-a-compact-cuv

Have to say I like the looks of this, very modern for the 21st Century so I hope they stay true to this concept. I really like it in Silver more than the white pearl color they showed off at the auto show.

[ykX]

Not sure why @ccap41 you keep arguing.   Today G-wagen is the status symbol, period.  Nobody who buys it will be moving furniture or taking it off road.  

Every G-wagen owner I saw was either an assh@le with too much money or a trophy wife with and assh@le husband that has too much money,

[Drew Dowdell]

The GV80 comparison to the XT5 is only approximate.  It looks as big on the outside as the XT5, but with packaging like that, it'd have to be smaller inside.  The XT5 has a very short pug snout while the GV80 is long.

And yes on the smaller luxury crossovers, the whole industry is chasing that space right now and it's relatively new segment, so Genesis would be wise to get in at the start. 

[ccap41]

19 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

And I have a second set of tires for my CR-V and Encore also, and they're AWD. 

I wish I was either further south or further north because we get just enough snow to necessitate at least an all season tire(or no season) because it gets plenty cold for months at a time but not really enough snow to justify a good winter set. 

[Robert Hall]

Saw a lot of G-wagens around Phoenix and Scottsdale...around town luxury cars, always clean and polished..probably never went off road.  Always seemed to be black or silver.   Much the same with all the other luxury SUVs...

Edited September 19, 2017 by Cubical-aka-Moltar

[ccap41]

7 minutes ago, ykX said:

Not sure why @ccap41 you keep arguing.   Today G-wagen is the status symbol, period.  Nobody who buys it will be moving furniture or taking it off road.  

Every G-wagen owner I saw was either an assh@le with too much money or a trophy wife with and assh@le husband that has too much money,

We've moved furniture in one. We will do quite a bit of that with new home ownership. 

And every mustang plows crowds, right? 

Edited September 19, 2017 by ccap41

[Drew Dowdell]

U-haul will rent you a truck for like $40 a day.  Just the fewer amount of trips you'd need to make would be worth it in gas and time savings.

[frogger]

Some initial reviews are being published..Interesting note about the softer tuning for the Korean market.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/genesis/33-turbo-sport-4dr/first-drive

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Camaro and Mustang actually ride really nice. I like either of them for a long distance drive.  Wrangler takes its top off, which I'm told can be fun.  The Raptor has at least the abilities that any other truck offers. In any case, for G-Wagon money, I can buy a Camaro, Mustang, Wrangler, and Raptor and still have money left over to fuel all of them for a few years

I’m sorry but did he just compare the ride of two cars, that have been complimented for their rides, to a 4 decade old box on wheels? Seriously? Is he just arguing to argue? I fail to see a real point here otherwise.

29 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Saw a lot of G-wagens around Phoenix and Scottsdale...around town luxury cars, always clean and polished..probably never went off road.  Always seemed to be black or silver.   Much the same with all the other luxury SUVs...

EXACTLY!! Not one of those drivers around here take those off road, not one! Now, I know there will be the “well most SUV drivers don’t go off road”. Well, they are idiots for it since that is one of its primary functions. Don’t opt for a Wrangler when an Edge will do. The G Wagon is a massive rip off made for elitist suckers, end of damn discussion.

18 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

U-haul will rent you a truck for like $40 a day.  Just the fewer amount of trips you'd need to make would be worth it in gas and time savings.

Hell, I’ve moved furniture in my dinky ass RAV4 and didn’t have to pay $140K for it.

[G. David Felt]

33 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

And every mustang plows crowds, right? 

Based on YouTube Videos of idiot drivers with lead foot, yes they seem to plow the gawkers on the side of the road well.  

[Drew Dowdell]

11 minutes ago, frogger said:

Some initial reviews are being published..Interesting note about the softer tuning for the Korean market.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/genesis/33-turbo-sport-4dr/first-drive

I wonder if that's why the K900 is so cloud-like. They didn't bother to retune it for North America because they new the numbers would be so small. 

[G. David Felt]

22 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

U-haul will rent you a truck for like $40 a day.  Just the fewer amount of trips you'd need to make would be worth it in gas and time savings.

Totally agree, Here you can rent a 10 foot truck for $19.95 a day, unlimited miles. Pretty good deal, did this for moving my son. Faster and cheaper than using a G-Wagon or my Escalade.

[G. David Felt]

17 minutes ago, frogger said:

Some initial reviews are being published..Interesting note about the softer tuning for the Korean market.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/genesis/33-turbo-sport-4dr/first-drive

Interesting read, so another company copies the American route of mid size auto between a lower and higher level one. So this is to compete against the ATS, BMW 3 series, etc. longer and wider but less room inside. Weird.

[William Maley]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The one on the auto show floor wouldn't be any different mechanically than one at the dealership though... it's not like some visitor snuck in and changed out the screws in the door.   Besides, I go on press days before you riff-raff are allowed in.    (That's obviously a joke, because as @William Maley can tell you, auto journalists can be some of the most obnoxious people you ever meet)

 

Yes, we are an insufferable group. 

[Drew Dowdell]

33 minutes ago, frogger said:

Some initial reviews are being published..Interesting note about the softer tuning for the Korean market.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/genesis/33-turbo-sport-4dr/first-drive

Ruh-Roh @smk4565

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The rear end squats less, the steering is reassuring and positive, and it’s palpably faster than the AWD car. Seriously, it’s more fun than an Audi S4 or Mercedes C43 and would ask very difficult questions of a Jaguar XE S.

 

[ccap41]

Everybody just loses their car enthusiast touch when they come into contact with a vehicle brand why don't like?  We all love the irresponsible vehicles, this is another one. Nobody dreams of 100-200k sports cars? So what this is overpriced. So is a Mclaren and Ferrari. Any luxury branded car ever created is overpriced when you could build some mustang or camaro for cheaper and daily drive a Camry for practicality. 

Yeah for 5k I could go buy a CRV and it would "get the job done". I'd also never consider a 2 door sports car because those are too impractical. C'mon guys. All the brand biases aside, it's a cool vehicle that's as old school as they come these days that, if the owner would ever choose to, can do some serious off-roading. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Like you say every single time with your personal Cadillac experience, get out and drive one and be in one regularly and them come talk to me.   Anybody can find bad pictures on the internet about almost any vehicle. Shall we find quality control issues on Cadillacs? 

 

The pics were from Drew.. but they are for real nonetheless. Also.. who the hell has not driven a Gwagon? They aren't exactly exclusive in my realm. In fact.. when my brother bought his Hummer H2 he also looked at the GWagon.. him and I drove it around for an entire day.. trying to figure out why anyone would buy that shit. 

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

At least MB knows how to convince people to buy $h!. Cadillac should take note. 

So U are applauding the fact that they duped your girl friend into buying one huh? Great BF U are... In fact.. I find it hard to believe that U have a GF.

[ccap41]

11 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

The pics were from Drew.. but they are for real nonetheless. Also.. who the hell has not driven a Gwagon? They aren't exactly exclusive in my realm. In fact.. when my brother bought his Hummer H2 he also looked at the GWagon.. him and I drove it around for an entire day.. trying to figure out why anyone would buy that $h!. 

Speaking of sh!t... H2? They have one of those that her parents drive daily.. biggest POS. I never would have expected it to be a GM product because it's constantly having problems either dying or not starting. It almost seems German under the hood. 

13 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

So U are applauding the fact that they duped your girl friend into buying one huh? Great BF U are... In fact.. I find it hard to believe that U have a GF.

Nah, jsut saying that if they build such bags of sh!t that at least they know how to sell bags of sh!t. Cadillac should be writing down some notes on "how to sell vehicles". 

She bought it before I knew her. She had an ML before. Shes definitely a brand snob though.. Who would have thought a G Wagen owner was a brand snob? lol 

[Cmicasa the Great]

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Uhhh yeah... what redeeming qualities does a Camaro or Wrangler offer a daily driver over any sedan or CUV? They ride like 3$h and have little to no storage in comparison. 

Was this even serious?  I lived with my 2011 Camaro DD for 3.5 years and not once was I ever let down in terms of ride or storage. The current model has an exemplary ride.. is comfy.. and has enough storage for any daily driver. WTF are U trying to move around.. a grand father clock??? Ridiculous.. U bitch about irrelevant shit. The real question is WHY THE FUCK... does this imaginary GF of yours drive a Gwagon instead of something more practical with U around being a Dweeb about everything?

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

I’m sorry but did he just compare the ride of two cars, that have been complimented for their rides, to a 4 decade old box on wheels? Seriously? Is he just arguing to argue? I fail to see a real point here otherwise.

That's exactly what he does

[Cmicasa the Great]

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Speaking of sh!t... H2? They have one of those that her parents drive daily.. biggest POS. I never would have expected it to be a GM product because it's constantly having problems either dying or not starting. It almost seems German under the hood. 

Nah, jsut saying that if they build such bags of sh!t that at least they know how to sell bags of sh!t. Cadillac should be writing down some notes on "how to sell vehicles". 

She bought it before I knew her. She had an ML before. Shes definitely a brand snob though.. Who would have thought a G Wagen owner was a brand snob? lol 

Yet every H2 owner I kno has zero issues with their vehicles... Why??? Because like the GMT800 it's based on it is a relatively straight forward design that U will still see in droves on the road even 19 years after its intro.. millions. U ARE FULL OF SHIT

[ccap41]

Who would have thought YOU would daily a Camaro and it was somehow a great daily driver? The trunk opening is like 13 inches or some sh!t on those. You either paid for people to ship everything to your house or you're lying because those are not great daily drivers. You can make it happen but they are far from ideal. 

Because it's her vehicle, not mine. Unlike you, I don't force my significant other to buy products I like. But I have told her she should get something more practical because there's definitely more practical vehicles out there. 

1 minute ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Yet every H2 owner I kno has zero issues with their vehicles... Why??? Because like the GMT800 it's based on it is a relatively straight forward design that U will still see in droves on the road even 19 years after its intro.. millions. U ARE FULL OF $h!

They've had two transmissions replaced(or rebuilt - I don't know, I didn't pay or schedule anything), air suspension replaced, two alternators, and at least one window motor failing. 

I agree with you, and that's why I said it seems German under the hood. I've known plenty of chevy truck owners with identical setups that ran just fine. The Hummer H2 though, has been nothing but a bag of sh!t. 

[ccap41]

32 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

So U are applauding the fact that they duped your girl friend into buying one huh? Great BF U are... In fact.. I find it hard to believe that U have a GF.

 

[balthazar]

RWD sedans are also dying out, both in volume and in deference to AWD.

[smk4565]

4 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

So instantly U forgive them for selling people $h!... for minimum the last 20 years. And that's me giving them the benefit of the doubt that a platform that was engineered during the Carter Admin was good up to the Bush I admin

G-wagen is a good vehicle.  Probably the most capable off road SUV on sale right now, for sure it is on the 4x4 squared model.  I think it is one of two 12 cylinder SUVs for sale also if you want that.  The G-wagen had its best sales year ever in 2016 and is up in 2017, so they are building what the people want.  

[G. David Felt]

4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

G-wagen is a good vehicle.  Probably the most capable off road SUV on sale right now, for sure it is on the 4x4 squared model.  I think it is one of two 12 cylinder SUVs for sale also if you want that.  The G-wagen had its best sales year ever in 2016 and is up in 2017, so they are building what the people want.  

Take a Land Rover over the G-Wagon any day.

[smk4565]

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Ruh-Roh @smk4565

 

Hopefully it is a good car, and a fun to drive car.  It doesn't have the interior as good as the Germans though, you can already tell from the photos it is closer to a Mazda 6 interior than a C-class or A4.  As if they know they have to sell at a discount so they will cut corners somewhere.  If they price this car aggressively I think it could do well, if that turbo V6 is $40k and it comes down to a G70 or a 4 cylinder ATS, C-class or A4, that is a compelling argument for Genesis.  

And since it is G-wagen day, I'll say that the GLE is no doubt better daily driver and probably has more cargo room too.  But you aren't a baller in Beverly Hills without that G-wagen.

[ccap41]

21 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Take a Land Rover over the G-Wagon any day.

Personally, I would as well. A Sport Supercharged, please. 

[oldshurst442]

Ill take the one that won the war...

To boot...BECAUSE its an offroader...and luxury and off the beaten path are opposites of the class spectrum and therefore a LUXURY OFFROAD SUV is A BLOODY OXΥΜΟRON...

Ill start with this

 

Or this

 

And spend tons of money making it  do this

 

and making it look like this

 

And have money left over to buy several of these

And these

 

Laughing at all the idiots that buy LUΧURY OFF ROAD SUVs

Land Rovers, Escalades and G Wagons alike...

Sue me!

 

 

 

 

 

[G. David Felt]

@oldshurst442

Yup take this every day over the G-Wagon!

[smk4565]

But what if you want to drive your car through a lazy river?

[balthazar]

^ since Day 1 :

"Why buy a copy when you can buy the original"??

Edited September 20, 2017 by balthazar

[oldshurst442]

^^^

Yup...

And @smk4565 I guess you missed the snorkel...

 

Besides...the Russians in this case do it better!

 

 

Those is what I call REAL off road SUVs...in the TRUEST sense of the acronym that was started by that humble little General Purpose Vehicle that we now know today as JEEP

With all said and done...at the end of the day....Id still rather the JEEP though...

Something about 'Merica Phoque YEAH! that I prefer over Commie Ruskies!

 

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2017 by oldshurst442

[oldshurst442]

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

But what if you want to drive your car through a lazy river?

 

Lazy rivers...HA!  YOU actually posted a rugged tough SUV that is supposed to be military tough in a LAZY river...

You just filled up the whole card with that one pic as you were trying to pass that off as a dangerous and tough SUV thing...

 

Therefore

 

[Cmicasa the Great]

5 hours ago, dfelt said:

Take a Land Rover over the G-Wagon any day.

take a used H3, Jeep, or RR over it as well

[Cmicasa the Great]

6 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Who would have thought YOU would daily a Camaro and it was somehow a great daily driver? The trunk opening is like 13 inches or some sh!t on those. You either paid for people to ship everything to your house or you're lying because those are not great daily drivers. You can make it happen but they are far from ideal. 

Because it's her vehicle, not mine. Unlike you, I don't force my significant other to buy products I like. But I have told her she should get something more practical because there's definitely more practical vehicles out there. 

They've had two transmissions replaced(or rebuilt - I don't know, I didn't pay or schedule anything), air suspension replaced, two alternators, and at least one window motor failing. 

I agree with you, and that's why I said it seems German under the hood. I've known plenty of chevy truck owners with identical setups that ran just fine. The Hummer H2 though, has been nothing but a bag of sh!t. 

to the bolded part. So one lemon.. and it happens is indicative of a while truck line that has sold millions upon millions when the platform was alive? Ridiculous

But then... their hummer at minimum is 8 years old. H2 stopped production in '09. If they've replaced their alternator TWICE.. the second part was faulty too.. and very seldom have I ever heard of anyone taking their vehicle to a dealership for a tranny rebuild.. so the tranny rebuild must have been bad. Missing how that is an H2 issue

As far as me having the Camaro as a DD.. yeah.. it was my daily driver from August 2010 to July 31 2013 when I got my Impala DD. I don't kno if U kno but I had a Tahoe at the time before I got my Yukon.. If I needed to move anything larger I brought that. 

AND WHO THE FUCK GIVES A SHIT ABOUT MOVING BIG SHIT ON A DAILY BASIS AND THEN BUYS A CAR IN THE FIRST PLACE? Camaro, Mustang, Camry, or even an Impala? 

[Drew Dowdell]

Escalade on d

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

But what if you want to drive your car through a lazy river?

 

So while we've had our bit of fun.... lets try to get back to the Genesis please. 

[G. David Felt]

I wonder how long they will wait till offering Hybrid and EV in the Genesis car and CUV product line, 12-18 months or more like 24-36 months?

[Drew Dowdell]

I thought from the other article it wasn't until 2022

[ccap41]

15 hours ago, balthazar said:

RWD sedans are also dying out, both in volume and in deference to AWD.

Sad but true...

14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

Ill take the one that won the war...

 

The US has a couple hundred G Wagens in their military. 

[oldshurst442]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

 

The US has a couple hundred G Wagens in their military. 

 

@Drew Dowdell  Sorry because I will derail it again...but I gotta post this. I just gotta. 

 

The reason for the G Wagon is to appease NATO régulations...

For decades the US shoved this shyte airplane down Germany's throat

 

Its payback time for Germany to force the US Military to buy the G Wagen...all in the name of NATO...and revenge...

OK...back to the boring discussions of a Hyundai luxury car.

Edited September 20, 2017 by oldshurst442