BMW News: 2018 BMW M5 Arrives with 600 Horsepower, AWD

[William Maley]

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Whenever there is a new 5-Series, the countdown clock is started for the arrival of high-performance M5. Today, the clock hit zero as BMW unveiled the 2018 M5.

Under the hood lies a familiar twin-turbo 4.4L V8 with 600 horsepower and 553 pound-feet of torque - healthy increases of 40 and 53 respectively. A new eight-speed automatic is the sole transmission choice, sorry manual lovers. The 2018 M5 also comes with the M xDrive system which can either send power to all four wheels or just the rear wheels if you want to some smoky drifts. 60 mph comes in 3.2 seconds and can hit a top speed of 155 mph (189 mph if you opt for the M Driver's Package).

BMW has also done a bit of work to the M5's suspension with new wheel bearings, firmer anti-roll bars, and a steel x-brace. 15.5-inch steel rotors with six-piston calipers up front and single-piston calipers in the rear help bring the M5 to a stop. A set of carbon ceramic brakes are available as an option. There has also been a bit of weight loss with aluminum being used for the hood and front fenders and carbon fiber for the roof.

There is a special edition of the M5 called the First Edition that is limited to 400 models worldwide, with 50 of those coming to the U.S. First Edition models stand out from the standard M5 with Frozen Dark Red Metallic paint, gloss black used on the grille and tailpipes; and a set of 20-inch black wheels.

The 2018 M5 arrives in the U.S. next spring.

Source: BMW
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The All-New 2018 BMW M5: The Quintessential High-Performance Sedan

• The 6th generation BMW M5 is the quickest most technologically advanced M-vehicle to date: 0–60 mph in a lightning-quick 3.2 seconds; 0–124 mph in just 11.1 seconds. Top speed: 189 mph with optional M Driver’s Package.
• The latest generation M TwinPower Turbo technology 4.4-liter V8 engine develops 600 hp and peak torque of 553 lb-ft.
• Debut of the first ever BMW M xDrive system with 2WD capability.
• M compound brakes fitted as standard. Available M carbon ceramic brakes provide a 50 lb. unsprung weight reduction.
• Like all M models, the chassis was honed on the world’s most challenging race circuit, the Nürburgring Nordschleife.
• Reduced weight by intelligent use of materials such as a carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP) roof and a weight-optimized exhaust system.
• Exceptional performance both in day-to-day driving and on the racetrack.
• BMW M5 First Edition with exclusive specification available in limited 50 unit run in the US.

Woodcliff Lake, NJ – August 21, 2017… Today, BMW unveiled the all-new 2018 BMW M5, a car that since 1984 has been regarded as the quintessential high-performance sports sedan. The previous generations of the BMW M5 all possess purebred racing genes and acquitted themselves impressively on the racetrack as well as on the road. The all-new BMW M5 represents the 6th generation and, like those that have come before it, delivers on these promises – and more. The all-new 2018 M5 will also debut the M-specific all-wheel-drive system, M xDrive. This new system allows the M5 to reach new heights of dynamic performance and delivers poise in all driving situations. Frank van Meel, Chairman of the Board of Management at BMW M GmbH, explains the benefits of this pioneering drivetrain technology: “Thanks to M xDrive, the all-new BMW M5 can be piloted with the familiar blend of sportiness and unerring accuracy both on the racetrack and out on the open road, while also delighting drivers with its significantly enhanced directional stability and controllability right up to the limits of performance when driving in adverse conditions such as on wet roads or snow.” When the engine is first started, the all-new BMW M5 will be in all-wheel-drive mode (4WD) with Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) turned on. The driver is then able to vary the handling characteristics of the M5 by enabling various driving dynamics modes, including a rear-wheel-drive mode with no DSC. In this 2WD mode, the all-new BMW M5 offers drivers the opportunity to experience BMW’s traditional rear-wheel drive characteristics.

Under the hood of the all-new BMW M5 is the latest and most advanced version of the renowned 4.4-liter V8 engine featuring M TwinPower Turbo technology with an output increase from the previous generation of 40 hp and 53 lb-ft, this new engine develops 600 hp and 553 lb-ft of peak torque to promise explosive acceleration and formidable performance. The twin-turbo V8 unit propels the M5 via the new 8-speed M Steptronic transmission with Drivelogic and teams up with the M xDrive system to transfer all of the high-revving turbocharged engine’s might to the road, and allows a 0–60 mph acceleration run in a mere 3.2 seconds, making it the quickest and most agile to date.

The all-new 2018 BMW M5 will be available at certified BMW Centers in spring 2018 with pricing to be announced closer to market launch.

M TwinPower Turbo, M xDrive and the 8-speed M Steptronic transmission
The all-new BMW M5 features a 4.4-liter V8 engine with M TwinPower Turbo technology. The high-revving power unit in the all-new BMW M5 has received a thorough overhaul and delivers its exceptional output of 600 hp from 5,700 to 6,600 rpm, while the tremendous peak torque of 553 lb-ft is on tap from just 1,800 rpm and remains constant all the way up to 5,700 rpm. The engine characteristics can be changed at the push of a button from the basic Efficient setting to either Sport or Sport Plus, resulting in a more crisp response to movements of the accelerator.

The M engineers have implemented a raft of enhancements to endow the twin-turbo V8 with its phenomenal performance capabilities. These include newly developed twin-scroll turbochargers now delivering 24.46 psi of relative boost pressure as well as a higher maximum injection pressure of 350 bar (up from 200 bar). This allows shorter injection times and improved atomization of the fuel for sharper engine response as well as more efficient mixture preparation. Improvements have also been made to the lubrication and cooling systems, including an oil pan with a small front sump and new indirect charge air cooling units, which are more effective than its predecessor despite being almost 20% smaller in size. The oil supply system uses a fully variable, map-controlled pump and has been designed for weekend escapades to the racetrack, where it can handle very high levels of longitudinal and lateral acceleration.

The cross-bank exhaust manifolds for the all-new BMW M5 have also been modified to optimize the flow of energy from the exhaust gas to the turbine wheels of the two twin-scroll turbochargers ensuring the best possible gas-exchange cycle. By fitting a Helmholtz resonator between the two silencers of the dual exhaust system, the M engineers have reduced its weight by 11 lbs. The sound from the active flap-controlled exhaust system varies depending on the selected mode for the engine characteristics, while the M Sound Control button allows further acoustic customization.

The twin-scroll twin-turbo V8’s power is channeled to the road via the newly developed M xDrive all-wheel-drive system. The rear-biased set-up ensures that the front wheels only come into play when the rear wheels are not able to transmit any more torque to the road and additional tractive force is required. The main hardware components of M xDrive are based on the BMW xDrive intelligent all-wheel-drive system and the Active M Differential technology. Central M specific driving dynamics control software precisely to orchestrate the various components, providing enhanced traction, agility and directional stability at all times.

The reinforced drivetrain allows it to cope with the higher torque, the rear-biased configuration and the 2WD mode. While the transfer case intelligently splits the drive torque between the front and rear wheels, the Active M Differential is responsible for then distributing the drive flow between the rear wheels varying the locking effect as the situation demands. With M xDrive, stabilizing interventions from the DSC system are only required in extreme situations, enabling the engine’s tremendous power to be converted into propulsive force with virtually zero losses. The M xDrive system allows drivers to command the all-new BMW M5 with even greater precision and directional accuracy to respond sensitively and directly to the driver’s inputs, which in turn enable fewer steering corrections when driving at the limit.

Drivers can configure M xDrive at any time to suit their needs. Even in the default setting with both DSC and 4WD activated, the all-new BMW M5 allows a certain amount of slip at the rear wheels when accelerating out of corners to produce the agility for which M models are renowned while remaining perfectly controllable at all times. The all-wheel drive’s traction helps to produce acceleration times that are worthy of super-sports cars: 0–60 mph in a breathtaking 3.2 seconds and 0–124 mph in just 11.1 seconds.

Switching to the M Dynamic mode (MDM, 4WD Sport) gives additional boost to the car’s handling agility. In this mode, more drive torque is directed to the rear axle, while the amount of permissible rear wheel slip is increased. While doing so, the onset of oversteer is noticeable in good time and the linear increase of the sideslip angle means that the vehicle remains stable.

The three modes available with the DSC system switched off have been configured keeping track driving in mind. The 4WD mode is set up for the greatest possible controllability and traction, and already offers plenty of scope for exploring the dynamic performance capabilities of the all-new BMW M5. The 4WD Sport mode, meanwhile, with its blend of steering precision, agile handling and reassuring traction, guarantees maximum enjoyment and consistent lap times. The pure rear-wheel-drive mode (2WD) has been designed with the experienced and highly skilled driver in mind. This opens up the same thrilling experience already offered by past generations of the M5.

The new 8-speed M Steptronic transmission with Drivelogic has been strictly geared towards high-performance duty while the wide ratio spread helps to optimize fuel efficiency. The transmission has been engineered so the torque converter lock-up clutch fully engages once the car has pulled away, proving instantaneous response. Lightning-fast gear changes with optimal gear ratio spacing ensure that even the most demanding driver will appreciate its technological prowess. The driver can choose between fully automatic shifting in D mode, or opt for sequential gearshifts via the new short gear selector on the center console or the M shift paddles on the steering wheel.

The transmission’s shift mapping can be modified using the Drivelogic rocker switch in the gear selector. Drivelogic mode 1 corresponds to efficient driving. Mode 2 lends itself to sporty driving with its shortened shift times. Drivelogic mode 3 is optimized for high-sporty driving on the track thanks to its extremely short shift times. Those preferring to shift gears manually can also execute multiple downshifts to the lowest available gear, for instance when braking into tight corners. With manual mode engaged, there are no automatic upshifts when the engine is revved to the limit either. A transmission oil cooler ensures flawless transmission operation even when the car is put through its paces on the track.

Newly Developed chassis technology. A new benchmark in driving dynamics
The goal of the team responsible for tuning the all-new BMW M5 chassis was to achieve unbeatable driving dynamics with maximum directional stability. As is usual for BMW M GmbH, the tuning took place in part on the company’s own race circuit at Miramas in the south of France, as well as on the world’s toughest test track, the Nürburgring Nordschleife.

The precise, agile handling that drivers have come to expect from previous generations of the M5 has been optimized for the all-new car. Individual driver needs are met by the wide range of options for configuring the vehicle, including M xDrive, the 8-speed M Steptronic with Drivelogic, the M-specific Variable Damper Control (incl. three driving modes: Comfort, Sport and Sport Plus) with electronically controlled shock absorbers, and M Servotronic steering (incl. three driving modes: Comfort, Sport and Sport Plus). A top priority when tuning the chassis of the all-new BMW M5 was to achieve neutral steering behavior with linear build-up of transverse loads across the full range of lateral acceleration. Whatever the driving situation, the electromechanical M Servotronic steering delivers exactly the right amount of steering torque. This ensures that the all-new BMW M5 has accurate steering and always communicates clear feedback to the driver. What’s more, because of all of these systems the car is great for long-distance driving or touring along the city thanks to the low steering force required for maneuvering and parking.

The familiar double-wishbone suspension from the front axle of the BMW 5 Series has been reworked from the ground up for the all-new BMW M5 with M xDrive. M engineers have redesigned every component to factor in M-specific kinematic and elastokinematic characteristics. Directional stability is greater than ever thanks to the increased track width. The five-link rear suspension has also been modified to meet M-specific requirements. Optimized firmer anti-roll bars and new toe links featuring stiffer rubber mounts help accommodate the increased demands on the driving dynamics and steering precision. Specially developed for the M5, the elastomer bearings on the rear axle mounts ensure that there is no delay in transferring chassis forces, which makes for direct handling. An additional steel X-brace and an aluminum transverse strut increase the stiffness of the chassis linkages at the rear axle, resulting in improved response. Additional chassis modifications not visible externally perform functions that are no less important. For example, an aluminum tower-to-bulkhead and tower-to-frontend strut braces enhance stiffness at the front of the car.

The complete chassis and powertrain package put together by the BMW M engineers is so detailed that even experienced racers like former Formula One star and BMW works driver Timo Glock are impressed: “Thanks to M xDrive, the new BMW M5 goes beyond the precise, agile drive that we’ve come to expect – it also serves up a noticeable boost in traction and controllability, both in everyday situations and at the dynamic limit.”

The tires fitted as standard on the all-new BMW M5 (275/40 R 19 at the front and 285/40 R 19 at the rear) have been specially homologated for this vehicle. They are mounted on five-double-spoke cast light-alloy wheels in polished Orbit Grey (front: 9.5 J x 19, rear: 10.5 J x 19). 20-inch seven-double-spoke wheels in black or polished black are available as an option (front: 275/35 R 20, at rear: 285/35 R 20). All wheels are ZR speed rated, making them suitable for the 189 mph top speed achieved with the available M Driver’s Package (155 mph standard).

The all-new BMW M5 comes with M compound brakes fitted as standard. Being significantly lighter than conventional cast iron units, these have the distinct benefit of reducing unsprung mass. At the front, the braking force is applied to 15.55 x 1.41 [in] perforated, inner-vented brake discs by blue-painted 6-piston fixed calipers featuring the M logo. Single-piston floating caliper brakes see duty at the rear on 14.96 x 1.10 [in] perforated, inner-vented brake discs, with integrated parking brake.

M carbon-ceramic brakes are also available as an option on the all-new BMW M5. These brakes are instantly recognizable from the gold-colored calipers with M logo 6-piston fixed calipers and 15.74 x 1.49 [in] ventilated brake discs at front; single-piston floating calipers and 14.96 x 1.10 [in] ventilated brake discs at rear, resulting in 50.7 lb reduction of unsprung and rotating masses. This offers many benefits, including improved driving dynamics and increased suspension comfort. More importantly, the M carbon-ceramic brakes provide even better braking performance than M compound brakes, as well as improved fade resistance and even higher thermal stability.

Sporting M design with distinction. Form driven by function
“The BMW M5 has always embodied the perfect blend of mature business sedan and high-performance components. So you can think of the BMW M5 as the world’s fastest-moving tailored suit.” These are the words chosen by Domagoj Dukec, Vice President of Design BMW i and BMW M, to sum up the brief for the all-new BMW M5. Like all the models to come out of BMW M GmbH HQ in Garching, its design is M-specific and driven by function. For example, the newly designed front bumper trim, with its larger air intakes, has the task of providing the cooling systems and brakes with the adequate supply of cooling air – even in rigorous use on the racetrack. The car has a wider track than its predecessor, and the front side panels (made from aluminum to reduce weight) bear the signature M gills.

Also carved from aluminum is the hood, whose precise lines create an eye-catching sculpture and extend visually into the roof. For the first time in the BMW M5, the roof itself is made from extremely lightweight, high-strength carbon fiber-reinforced plastic (CFRP).

The redesigned rear diffuser, side skirts, the M rear apron and M rear spoiler, play their part in giving the all-new BMW M5 its powerful sporting appearance, and the exterior mirrors have a dynamic, M-specific design. In another example of form following function, the hexagonal central air intake in the front end not only separates itself sculpturally from the side air intakes, it also incorporates the oil cooler.

The interior focuses squarely on the driver for absolute control in all driving situations. At the same time, the BMW M5 offers space for up to four passengers, a large trunk and excellent ride comfort. As a high-performance sports car and business sedan in one, it blends the best of both worlds.

The driver is at the heart of the action. Equipment without compromise
When it comes to the equipment on board the all-new BMW M5, dynamic driving experience is king. The center-point is the driver’s seat, from where all switches and buttons can be operated with optimum ergonomic convenience. All of the car’s functions are located directly in the driver’s eye line. The large digital instrument cluster from the BMW 5 Series has an M-specific design and keeps the driver informed on the driving dynamic mode, M xDrive all-wheel-drive system setting and Drivelogic option currently engaged. Key elements for the sporty driver are the variable rpm pre-warning field and shift lights that show the best time to shift gears. This data can also be reflected into the M-specific Head-Up Display.

Virtually all of the driving dynamic systems can be configured using the central touchscreen display, buttons on the center console or M sports steering wheel, and the central information display offers BMW Gesture control. The M5’s engine is brought to life by pressing the red starter button. Among the essential features for drivers wanting to customize the driving dynamics are the new two red-painted M1 and M2 buttons next to the gearshift paddles on the M multifunction steering wheel, which allow drivers to configure two individual set-ups. These include their choice of M xDrive, DSC, engine, transmission, damper and steering characteristics, as well as the appearance of M view in the Head-Up Display.

The all-new BMW M5 is trimmed with Extended Merino leather as standard. The driver and front passenger settle into M Multifunction seats with electric adjustment, seat heating and electric adjustment for the seat depth, and pneumatic backrest width adjustment deliver optimum lateral support. The M Multifunction seats feature integral head restraints that provide even better support in the shoulder area, an illuminated M5 logo and extended functions. With their racing-style bucket shape and the thicker side bolsters of the seat surface and backrest, the M multifunction seats offer even greater lateral support. For the first time, the M5 is now also available with all the driver assistance systems featured in the new BMW 5 Series.

The all-new BMW M5 is available in a variety of exterior colors, some of which are reserved exclusively for the M5. New additions to the spectrum include Marina Bay Blue Metallic, an intense shade of blue. Inside the car, exclusive aluminum applications with a carbon-structure provide a special sporting flourish.

The BMW M5 First Edition. Limited-run special edition with exclusive specification
First come, first served is the motto as BMW M GmbH launches the all-new BMW M5 with the option of a “First Edition” special-edition model limited to a worldwide run of 400 examples with 50 units coming to the US. The 2018 BMW M5 First Edition will be available starting spring of 2018 with pricing announced closer to market launch.

The all-new BMW M5 First Edition has exclusive Frozen Dark Red Metallic paintwork and includes BMW Individual high-gloss Shadow Line trim with extended features. This means that the kidney grille, the M gills and the four tailpipes of the sports exhaust all come in high-gloss black. The M5 First Edition is fitted as standard with 20-inch seven-double-spoke light-alloy wheels in black.

The BMW M5 First Edition also has an individual flavor inside. The Piano Finish Black applications are complemented by a plaque on the center console indicating the car’s production number (“M5 First Edition 1/400”), pointing to the exclusivity of this BMW M5. The M5 First Edition comes a

 

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[smk4565]

What is really impressive is this car weighs under 4100 lbs.  It looks like the M division got some mojo back here.  I think the interior looks the same as the previous generation though and even the generation before that.  Thumbs up for the super car performance, thumbs down on that interior for $110k.

[Cmicasa the Great]

I'll keep my V.. more HP, better top speed by a whopping 45mph or even 11 mph vs the Black Edition.. and looks better to boot.The only disadvantage U see is that I don't have AWD.. which is a non-issue considering I would never drive my super-clean $$$ luxo sedan in the rain or snow anyway. If 0-60 is the goal.. then they do have me beat by about 3/10s, which is the only reason why I could see Caddy putting the CT6's AWD system (capable of handling up to 958 lbs of torque) in the upcoming CT5. Wow.. imagine a 640/630lb CTS-V with that  variable AWD system... 0-60 would be in the 2s easy. With the new platform tech learned over at the Omega development.. weight should be significantly lower than the 4100 I'm at now.

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

I'll keep my V.. more HP, better top speed by a whopping 45mph or even 11 mph vs the Black Edition.. and looks better to boot.The only disadvantage U see is that I don't have AWD.. which is a non-issue considering I would never drive my super-clean $$$ luxo sedan in the rain or snow anyway. If 0-60 is the goal.. then they do have me beat by about 3/10s, which is the only reason why I could see Caddy putting the CT6's AWD system (capable of handling up to 958 lbs of torque) in the upcoming CT5. Wow.. imagine a 640/630lb CTS-V with that  variable AWD system... 0-60 would be in the 2s easy. With the new platform tech learned over at the Omega development.. weight should be significantly lower than the 4100 I'm at now.

Agreed.

[G. David Felt]

 So they took the old M5, replaced old steel with Aluminum, Carbon Fiber to find some weight reduction, put creases into the body work as otherwise not much different than the outgoing M5.

Plus to point out the problem with this auto, it uses the same TTV8 as other products by BMW and version lines. Why not it's own special powertrain or Hybrid powertrain to make it stand out?

They so could have gone in-wheel hub motors keeping it AWD, have 2000lb feet of torque and 600HP. 

Just more Meh from Germany! 

[riviera74]

2 hours ago, dfelt said:

 So they took the old M5, replaced old steel with Aluminum, Carbon Fiber to find some weight reduction, put creases into the body work as otherwise not much different than the outgoing M5.

Plus to point out the problem with this auto, it uses the same TTV8 as other products by BMW and version lines. Why not it's own special powertrain or Hybrid powertrain to make it stand out?

They so could have gone in-wheel hub motors keeping it AWD, have 2000lb feet of torque and 600HP. 

Just more Meh from Germany! 

Do you want a V12 with that new M5?  This is BMW, not Rolls-Royce.

[Robert Hall]

Just now, riviera74 said:

Do you want a V12 with that new M5?  This is BMW, not Rolls-Royce.

They did do a V10 M5 two generations back..  the in-wheel hub motor thing is just fantasy at this point, no one is producing cars with them yet...a hybrid version would confuse the M performance message.

[G. David Felt]

7 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Do you want a V12 with that new M5?  This is BMW, not Rolls-Royce.

BMW could have so gone a different path and set a new bar for performance if they really wanted too. 

I was also channeling SMK who always bitches about Cadillac using engines from other sister product lines. While most of us accept the product sharing across product lines, Detuned or uptuned makes no difference.

The look of the auto inside and out is still Meh, not much has changed other than the weight drop and engine.

Sarcasm is so hard to get across in posts.  

[Robert Hall]

It is funny after the Banglized styling of the E60 generation how much the F10 and now this new G30 generation resemble the classic E39 in profile. 

[ccap41]

17 minutes ago, dfelt said:

BMW could have so gone a different path and set a new bar for performance if they really wanted too. 

I was also channeling SMK who always bitches about Cadillac using engines from other sister product lines. While most of us accept the product sharing across product lines, Detuned or uptuned makes no difference.

The look of the auto inside and out is still Meh, not much has changed other than the weight drop and engine.

Sarcasm is so hard to get across in posts.  

I don't see why BMW would go a different route just to go a different route for an M car just yet. This car would weigh so much more if you added batteries and more motors to the mix. It's a neat idea but I don't see it happening right away. Also, price. These things already start too close to 100k if not already over. 

Careful, sarcasm is "trolling" and ppl don't enjoy that.

[Frisky Dingo]

I mean, the specs are good. But so are every other competitors'. It'll be all about the drive, and BMW has gotten that wrong far more than they have gotten it right lately.

[smk4565]

9 hours ago, dfelt said:

 So they took the old M5, replaced old steel with Aluminum, Carbon Fiber to find some weight reduction, put creases into the body work as otherwise not much different than the outgoing M5.

Plus to point out the problem with this auto, it uses the same TTV8 as other products by BMW and version lines. Why not it's own special powertrain or Hybrid powertrain to make it stand out?

They so could have gone in-wheel hub motors keeping it AWD, have 2000lb feet of torque and 600HP. 

Just more Meh from Germany! 

Why does the CTS-V use the same V8 as Chevy?  A lot of companies use the same V8 or versions of the same V8 in multiple cars.    This car is like 4,070 lbs, that is insane for a V8 all wheel drive mid-size sedan, and the 5-series is a big mid-size sedan.  I still give them props for that weight reduction, the 0-60 time beats the E63 and CTS-V.  They got some things right, depends on how it drives, the 540i had a poor showing in a comparison with the CTS and E43 last year.

Batteries and electric motors would add weight, drive up cost, V12 would be too nose heavy, might not fit, etc.  They did the right powertrain here, I am surprised they only got 550 lb-ft of torque, when Mercedes gets 627 lb-ft from a smaller engine.   However BMW is know for under rating engines.  I think the E63 will still beat this car in all the comparisons, the E-class kills it in interior, and the E63 won't be the fastest Mercedes sedan for very long.  The M5 will probably always be the fastest BMW sedan.

[Robert Hall]

44 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

  This car is like 4,070 lbs, that is insane for a V8 all wheel drive mid-size sedan, and the 5-series is a big mid-size sedan.

Seems pretty light all things considered...only about 50 pounds more than the E39 M5, which some consider the gold standard for BMW sports sedan driving experience..

Edited August 22, 2017 by Cubical-aka-Moltar

[smk4565]

2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Seems pretty light all things considered...only about 50 pounds more than the E39 M5, which some consider the gold standard for BMW sports sedan driving experience..

I read 4,079 lbs somewhere, then I see Road and Track has 4,255 lbs.  Maybe the Euro market is first one, or maybe that was a mess up, I'd like to see what BMW puts on their website when it is all official.  

[oldshurst442]

 

OK...without the buffoonery, I like the G30 5 Series and the M5 is looking like Id be adding this car in future dream car garage threads. Along with the Audi S6 it would make for a nice 1-2 punch.

I saw my first CTS-V in the wild 2 days ago...Ill just say that the CTS V would be my uppercut square to the jaw.  Waiting for the CT5 V to knock my socks off though.

If I was a real buyer in this realm in all honesty, either the new 2018 Audi S6 or the G30 M5 would get my money until the CT5 V arrives...

But then again....the Tesla P100D is still an interesting sports sedan...

Its a good thing that I dont see fit in dumping 100 thousand on a car because Id have a real first world crisis on my hands...I wouldnt know what car to buy...

[ccap41]

9 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

CT5 V

Doesn't that just flow off the tongue well? 

[oldshurst442]

6 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Doesn't that just flow off the tongue well?