Buick News: 2018 Buick Regal GS Shows Up With 310 Horsepower

[Stew]

On 7/20/2017 at 3:05 PM, cp-the-nerd said:

This is wildly inaccurate and misinformed. The Regal is not a reskinned Malibu. Besides the fact that the US Regal is a DIFFERENT BODY STYLE with a rear hatch-access trunk, the two cars share a platform but were separately developed. Entry luxury is not a stretch. If you ever sat in or drove an Encore, Verano, Regal, or Lacrosse, you wouldn't even suggest it. The Lacrosse also hasn't been a reskinned Chevy since 2010 when it moved to the epsilon II chassis, and the current Lacrosse remains the only GM full size on the redesigned E2XX platform.

You also implied all that separates the new Regal GS from a bunch of $30k family cars with uplevel engines is AWD. I guess you overlooked the heated/cooled/massaging sport seats, brembo brakes, and nurburgring-tuned adaptive suspension? Basically everything except the engine is out of the Camry and 200's league.

The Accord will be available as all lux with an adaptive suspension.  the Camry XSE has a suspension turned for performance as well, and the Fusion sport can be optioned up to mach rthe GS for less than a loaded GS.  massaging seats yay.  Just what Americans who can't even use an automatic shifter needs.  And headed and Ventilated seats are nowhere near as rare as you are making them to be.  And the Camry and the upcoming Accord will both even have HUDs.  The only real difference is that it has the hatch, but that does not mean it is not a direct competitor.  The Civic Coupe and Sedan SIs are direct competitors to STs and GTIs despite them having hatches.  You are going to be looking at 50ish grand for a loaded GS and that is really expensive for what it is.  If it didn't have the same engine as every other V6 GM it may warrant the way out of bounds price.  If Ford or FCA was offering this same exact car with their own top 6s (3.7 for the Ford and 3.6 pentastar for the Chrysler) all you GMophiles would be bitching it is too expensive. 

[surreal1272]

12 minutes ago, Stew said:

The Accord will be available as all lux with an adaptive suspension.  the Camry XSE has a suspension turned for performance as well, and the Fusion sport can be optioned up to mach rthe GS for less than a loaded GS.  massaging seats yay.  Just what Americans who can't even use an automatic shifter needs.  And headed and Ventilated seats are nowhere near as rare as you are making them to be.  And the Camry and the upcoming Accord will both even have HUDs.  The only real difference is that it has the hatch, but that does not mean it is not a direct competitor.  The Civic Coupe and Sedan SIs are direct competitors to STs and GTIs despite them having hatches.  You are going to be looking at 50ish grand for a loaded GS and that is really expensive for what it is.  If it didn't have the same engine as every other V6 GM it may warrant the way out of bounds price.  If Ford or FCA was offering this same exact car with their own top 6s (3.7 for the Ford and 3.6 pentastar for the Chrysler) all you GMophiles would be bitching it is too expensive. 

So you do the reverse and bitch about GMs offerings based on the same "logic" by making apples to oranges comparisons? That sounds perfectly reasonable.  Again, the Accord and Camry are not luxury nor are they marketed as such. They also do not offer AWD. You also cherry picked your argument by ignoring literally every reason why the GS can beat out the Fusion Sport (which was carefully pointed out by Drew, which (btw) has a far more mundane interior than the GS but we will just skip over that so that you can still have the "and it's cheaper" argument. Good grief.  

 

What is ironic here is that Chrysler is offering the same old 3.6L V6 AWD on the 300 for the same amount of money as the GS, while being a much older model and platform with a much more dated interior. By all means though, keep bitching about GM though. 

 

[Stew]

2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

So you do the reverse and bitch about GMs offerings based on the same "logic" by making apples to oranges comparisons? That sounds perfectly reasonable.  Again, the Accord and Camry are not luxury nor are they marketed as such. They also do not offer AWD. You also cherry picked your argument by ignoring literally every reason why the GS can beat out the Fusion Sport (which was carefully pointed out by Drew, which (btw) has a far more mundane interior than the GS but we will just skip over that so that you can still have the "and it's cheaper" argument. Good grief. 

It is not apples too ranges  We are comparing midsize to midsize.  The regal is not a luxury or entry luxury, especially at a starting price of 25k.  Quit trying to make excuses not to compare it to it's true comparative set.  It is just silly.  We still compare the Ridgeline to the Colorado do we not?  Dspite one being a FWD unibody and one being a RWD based body n frame.  

5 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

So you do the reverse and bitch about GMs offerings based on the same "logic" by making apples to oranges comparisons? That sounds perfectly reasonable.  Again, the Accord and Camry are not luxury nor are they marketed as such. They also do not offer AWD. You also cherry picked your argument by ignoring literally every reason why the GS can beat out the Fusion Sport (which was carefully pointed out by Drew, which (btw) has a far more mundane interior than the GS but we will just skip over that so that you can still have the "and it's cheaper" argument. Good grief. 

There are differences, but in the marketplace they are still comparable.  Good grief.....

[surreal1272]

37 minutes ago, Stew said:

It is not apples too ranges  We are comparing midsize to midsize.  The regal is not a luxury or entry luxury, especially at a starting price of 25k.  Quit trying to make excuses not to compare it to it's true comparative set.  It is just silly.  We still compare the Ridgeline to the Colorado do we not?  Dspite one being a FWD unibody and one being a RWD based body n frame.  

There are differences, but in the marketplace they are still comparable.  Good grief.....

They are only comparable to a point and that is what Stew does not get. The Regal is priced in line with the competition while offering things they clearly don't have. Can you get AWD on the Camry or Accord? No. Can you get a hatch, which adds cargo room? No. Those two things alone kill any comparison to those other two cars. 

 

@Stew--Yes apples to oranges for reasons I just stated. As far as your ridgeline and Colorado comparison, at least those two are more alike than what you have been serving up by bringing up the Accord and Camry. Again, it's not just me saying this. Drew brought up many good points as to why your comparisons are just off base and honestly it's just more of your bitter GM BS because of how you see people criticize FCA. You said it yourself. 

Edited July 24, 2017 by surreal1272

[cp-the-nerd]

2 hours ago, Stew said:

The Accord will be available as all lux with an adaptive suspension.  the Camry XSE has a suspension turned for performance as well, and the Fusion sport can be optioned up to mach rthe GS for less than a loaded GS.  massaging seats yay.  Just what Americans who can't even use an automatic shifter needs.  And headed and Ventilated seats are nowhere near as rare as you are making them to be.  And the Camry and the upcoming Accord will both even have HUDs.  The only real difference is that it has the hatch, but that does not mean it is not a direct competitor.  The Civic Coupe and Sedan SIs are direct competitors to STs and GTIs despite them having hatches.  You are going to be looking at 50ish grand for a loaded GS and that is really expensive for what it is.  If it didn't have the same engine as every other V6 GM it may warrant the way out of bounds price.  If Ford or FCA was offering this same exact car with their own top 6s (3.7 for the Ford and 3.6 pentastar for the Chrysler) all you GMophiles would be bitching it is too expensive. 

You're still wrong and just doing mental gymnastics to justify your argument. The new Regal GS has a *nurburgring-tuned* adaptive suspension. This is a trackable performance car. Totally, utterly different than a "sport-tuned" suspension offered in the Camry and the adaptive suspension in the Accord. NEITHER of those are sport sedans at all. They're not meant to be. Same with the Chrysler 200. You're doing these cars a disservice by labeling them something they aren't. Take them to a track and be prepared to have the car falling all over itself and throwing up warning lights.

The Fusion Sport isn't a true sport sedan either. It's not track-ready, and it's not track tuned. It's a cruiser with an engine/suspension package. It'll be faster than the GS in a straight line and handle reasonably well in normal conditions, which is enough to win over most casual buyers. Ford offers a summer tire package to generate benchracer stats that belie the dynamic mess it is under real handling duress.

No matter how you slice it, the Regal GS is above the Camry, Accord, and 200 in luxury appointments and performance. You are actively ignoring the facts here, pretending this is a Malibu with a V6 package.

[A Horse With No Name]

10 minutes ago, cp-the-nerd said:

You're still wrong and just doing mental gymnastics to justify your argument. The new Regal GS has a *nurburgring-tuned* adaptive suspension. This is a trackable performance car. Totally, utterly different than a "sport-tuned" suspension offered in the Camry and the adaptive suspension in the Accord. NEITHER of those are sport sedans at all. They're not meant to be. Same with the Chrysler 200. You're doing these cars a disservice by labeling them something they aren't. Take them to a track and be prepared to have the car falling all over itself and throwing up warning lights.

The Fusion Sport isn't a true sport sedan either. It's not track-ready, and it's not track tuned. It's a cruiser with an engine/suspension package. It'll be faster than the GS in a straight line and handle reasonably well in normal conditions, which is enough to win over most casual buyers. Ford offers a summer tire package to generate benchracer stats that belie the dynamic mess it is under real handling duress.

No matter how you slice it, the Regal GS is above the Camry, Accord, and 200 in luxury appointments and performance. You are actively ignoring the facts here, pretending this is a Malibu with a V6 package.

Exactly.

And outside of the Mustang, not terribly thrilled with any of Ford's Chassis tuning.