Ultimate Dream Garage: Independent Day(s) Edition

[Frisky Dingo]

First off, I'm loving all the other threads, and the participation!!

 

With that said, this is the third and final DG thread I came up with based on the 4th of July. It's a day in celebration of independence. This installment is based on that, stand alone maker's independence from huge corporate umbrellas.

The premise is simple you will only be allowed to choose from vehicles that came from manfacturers that were completely autonomous at the time. That means no Chevys post-GM. No Ferrari's or Chryslers after FCA. No Dodges after ChryCo merger. No post-Audi Lambos. No post-VW Porsches, etc, etc.  

 

Rules- 

1) Maximum of 10 vehicles, as with other 4th Special DG's.

2) Any market is allowed.

3) Production cars only.

4) I will allow ONE concept.

5) I will allow ONE racecar/non-street legal selection.

6) MOST IMPORTANTLY- YOUR SELECTION MUST HAVE BEEN MADE FROM A MFR THAT AT THE TIME WAS COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT!!!! THIS MEANS NO MERGERS, NO BUY OUTS, TAKEOVERS, ETC. THAT SAID, BRANDS THAT ARE OTHERWISE ALONE, BUT HAVE JOINTLY DEVELOPED PRODUCTS- SUBARU, FOR EXAMPLE- ARE ALLOWED

 

 

 

Here is a quick cheat-sheet for people who may have trouble figuring this one out-

 

Mercedes Benz pre 1998

BMW pre 1994

McLaren

Honda pre 1986

McLaren

Subaru (no BRZ)

Nissan pre 1989 (no Datsuns)

Toyota pre 1989

TVR

Jaguar pre 1990

Porsche pre 2011

Lamborghini pre 1998

Ferrari pre 1969

Volkswagen pre 1965

Aston Martin pre 1991

Bentley pre 1931

Rolls Royce pre 1931

Lotus pre 1986

Alfa Romeo pre 1932

Mazda pre 1996 and post 2014

 

Edited July 7, 2017 by Frisky Dingo

[A Horse With No Name]

Oh, wow, interesting....

So what about a continuation Avanti....Studebaker merged with Packard in the 50's before it went bankrupt...but then the continuation cars were built by a small independent company.

Also, what about cars like the Factory 5 cars that are built by an independent company but are essentially kit cars?

[A Horse With No Name]

Tesla easily counts...

Panoz would not count as a production car...hmmm...

[A Horse With No Name]

53 Studebaker Starliner...

Tesla model S P100d....that would make # 1 and 2...

Caterham is independent, Caterham Lotus seven would be #3...if it were to be allowed...but that like the factory five is kind of iffy as a production car....hmmmm

Lotus Elan for #3 then...

Mazda is now independent, having separated from Ford, so #4 is an easy shoe in for a new 2017 Miata...

Edited July 7, 2017 by A Horse With No Name

[A Horse With No Name]

Datsun was independent when the first Z car came out...having fun with this...early 70's 240 Z...

1931 Reo Royale....

[A Horse With No Name]

So that brings us to car #7...

Studebaker completely absorbed Packard...and Packard was out of production by the time the Avanti came out...#7 is an Avanti...

Avanti interior...always liked these as a kid...

[Frisky Dingo]

Panoz made production cars. 

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, Frisky Dingo said:

Panoz made production cars. 

OK, wasn't sure what you defined as a production car....in terms of volume...

[Frisky Dingo]

Also, I hope people realize Ferrari has been a part of Fiat since 1969.

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Also, I hope people realize Ferrari has been a part of Fiat since 1969.

I did, but thanks for bringing that up...

Not sure exactly how I would spec it out, but something from Panoz would fill slot #8.

[Frisky Dingo]

I should also not that I will allow Mercedes prior to the Daimler-ChryCo merge, based on the fact that Mercedes was the only brand that produced cars within Daimler prior to Smart.

[A Horse With No Name]

#9 will be a WRX...just because I will need something sane to actually drive with all of this..

...and for #10...

Something completely different...1910 Thomas Flyer...

...an odd mix but it should do for a rainy Friday.

Thanks for the series, i really enjoyed it...curious to see what everyone else comes out with..

[A Horse With No Name]

Another Reo Royale shot, this time 1932....

Reo Royale convertible.

[Frisky Dingo]

Datsun was owned by Nissan long before the Z car came along @A Horse With No Name

[A Horse With No Name]

Another Reo Royale shot...

3 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Datsun was owned by Nissan long before the Z car came along @A Horse With No Name

OK....will replace that with..

Toyota 2000 GT...Toyota should have been independent when this came out, right?

So that should make ten unless I am missing something...

Edited July 7, 2017 by A Horse With No Name

[frogger]

Hasn't Subaru been partially owned by Toyota for a decade or so, around 20%, and by GM preceeeding that?

 

Edited July 7, 2017 by frogger

[G. David Felt]

3 minutes ago, frogger said:

Hasn't Subaru been partially owned by Toyota for a decade or so, around 20%, and by GM preceeeding that?

 

Yes controlling interest in Subaru was owned by GM and then sold at bankruptcy in 2007 to Toyota.

[Frisky Dingo]

GM had at one time a 20% holding of Subaru, but the brand was allowed so much autonomy and there was so little effect from the ownership that I am letting it slide for the purpose of this thread. Nothing of Subaru's at the time was ever dependent upon GM's small ownership stake.

Toyota has even less at 16%.

 

How about we leave out the BRZ and call it squared up? 

Edited July 7, 2017 by Frisky Dingo

[A Horse With No Name]

Fair enough, interested to see what everyone else comes up with.

[Frisky Dingo]

I could have very, very easily made this a nearly all Porsche list, but I refrained, and tried to put together a nice balanced collection-

Porsche 930 Turbo

 

Carrera GT

 

McLaren F1 HDF Kit

 

FD3S RX7

 

E30 M3 Evo

 

Diablo SV

 

Lamborghini Miura

 

TVR Sagaris

 

Ferrari 250 SWB

 

Huayra Roadster

 

 

 

 

[A Horse With No Name]

The TVR and the Ferrari are my two favorite cars on your list.

Love the RX 7 also...!

 

I hate to say it but this might be my favorite of all of the lists you have done...well played sir!

Also love how different our lists are...where else on the net can you find a Pagani and a brass era car in the same thread?

Really excited to see everyone else's list.

[A Horse With No Name]

As for Porsche if we both sat down over beer we could come up with a hundred cars easily we would both like to own...

[oldshurst442]

1. Ferrari GT California

 

2. Ferrari GT Lusso

 

3. Aston Martin DB5

 

4. 1967 Ford Fairlane 427

5. 1964 Ford Galaxie 500XL convertible

 

6. 1933 Ford 5 window coupe....

what the hell....

 

HOT RODDED!

or 3 window

 

7. 1965 Ford Mustang GT350H

 

8. 1952 Hudson Hornet Twin H POWER!!!

9. Tesla  Model S P100D

 

10. 1986 Porsche 930 Turbo

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2017 by oldshurst442

[A Horse With No Name]

Not sure of Frisky Dingo and his definition of independent because Ford was aligned with Lincoln and Mercury when some of those cars were built.

Never the less...

930 belongs here, air cooled 911 era Porsches are perhaps one of my favorite cars...glad to see you and Frisky both include it.

[A Horse With No Name]

Hudson is a dead clone of the car my maternal grandfather bought new.

[balthazar]

Mercedes Benz pre 1998

Uhh, you mean pre 1926; Mercedes & Benz is a merger.

[A Horse With No Name]

My mother drove that Hudson through the neighbors house trying to teach herself to drive when she was 13.

Loved the 64 Ragtop in Olds Hurst post also...

Also... jokingly at Frisky...fine, be that way...put up the cheat sheet after I do mine!

4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

 

 

Uhh, you mean pre 1926; Mercedes & Benz is a merger.

Didn't think of that... thanks!

Edited July 8, 2017 by A Horse With No Name

[balthazar]

'26 Sterling 3.5-ton:

'33 Dymaxion:

'48 Tucker 48
'52 Hudson Hornet 2-dr sedan, 7-X engine

'52 Packard Speedster (one-off):

'55 Studebaker President Speedster for bling

 

[A Horse With No Name]

I like this List from Balthazar as well as anything he has done.  Well played sir!

I absolutely love the Sterling...and the Tucker!

Soft spot for the Hudson also for obvious reasons.

[oldshurst442]

26 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Not sure of Frisky Dingo and his definition of independent because Ford was aligned with Lincoln and Mercury when some of those cars were built.

Never the less...

930 belongs here, air cooled 911 era Porsches are perhaps one of my favorite cars...glad to see you and Frisky both include it.

But....Lincoln and Mercury were brands that  FoMoCo started...unlike General Motors buying Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Cadillac (from Henry Ford), Opel and the like...

Ford cars....are independent...even in 2017...

 

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, oldshurst442 said:

But....Lincoln and Mercury were brands that  FoMoCo started...unlike General Motors buying Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Cadillac (from Henry Ford), Opel and the like...

Ford cars....are independent...even in 2017...

 

Fair enough...I would have possibly included Fords if I thought of them as independent.

Loved your list also... ironically that 64 is one of my favorite cars in the thread!

[oldshurst442]

4 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Fair enough...I would have possibly included Fords if I thought of them as independent.

Loved your list also... ironically that 64 is one of my favorite cars in the thread!

EDIT....

Lincoln was started by Leland...sold to Ford...

Leland started Cadillac from defunct Ford cars before FoMoCo then sold it to GM...

phoquing confusing if you ask me!

Maybe that is why I forget sometimes the little details...

But as I see things, Ford cars are independent, unless Frisky sees otherwise...and if he does, Ill redo my list and erase those Ford cars...

Well, the 2 1960s entries. The 1933 Ford Hot Rod stays!!!

[balthazar]

An interesting way to look @ it, oldshurst442.
Ford started as an independent, could definitely be considered an independent still.
Lincoln would be considered 'bought' and no longer an independent (post 1922).
Where does that place Merc, tho? It wasn't purchased/merged... :ponder:

I've always considered "independents" to be non- Big 3 (F, GM, Chrysler), even Stude-Pack & Hudson-Nash I still file as independents... tho I do see validity in Frisky's definition, too.

[oldshurst442]

27 minutes ago, balthazar said:

An interesting way to look @ it, oldshurst442.
Ford started as an independent, could definitely be considered an independent still.
Lincoln would be considered 'bought' and no longer an independent (post 1922).
Where does that place Merc, tho? It wasn't purchased/merged... :ponder:

I've always considered "independents" to be non- Big 3 (F, GM, Chrysler), even Stude-Pack & Hudson-Nash I still file as independents... tho I do see validity in Frisky's definition, too.

So....where do those 3 1960s entries I made stand?

 Ill be honest, I had a hard time convincing myself to include Ford cars because I too view independents like you do...when it comes to these threads, I always find a loop hole to  circumvent the rules...this Ford thing aint no different.

Tough one....

Like I said...I will agree to any points of view regarding independents and I will erase the 64 Galaxie, 67 Fairlane and 65 Mustang.

The 33 Ford stays as its as independent as it gets....after Lincoln but before Mercury...and FoMoCo was not as big as it is today and many other manufacturers from all over the USA were still producing cars from Wisconsin to Indiana...not only in the Michigan area.

 

Edited July 8, 2017 by oldshurst442

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, oldshurst442 said:

So....where do those 3 1960s entries I made stand?

 Ill be honest, I had a hard time convincing myself to include Ford cars because I too view independents like you do...when it comes to these threads, I always find a loop hole to  circumvent the rules...this Ford thing aint no different.

Tough one....

Like I said...I will agree to any points of view regarding independents and I will erase the 64 Galaxie, 67 Fairlane and 65 Mustang.

The 33 Ford stays as its as independent as it gets.

I don't think rules here are hard and fast or something to worry about... besides, this way you can add three more cars!

[oldshurst442]

1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I don't think rules here are hard and fast or something to worry about... besides, this way you can add three more cars!

yeah yeah yeah!!!

[A Horse With No Name]

And actually Lincoln was founded by a man named leyland and as acquired by Ford in 1922 so the 1933 would in theory be ineligible and Ford is a Merger.

Which means it's your turn to do a dream car garage...might I suggest you do an all Ford one?  You have four fantastic choices already...and you could call the shots for that thread.

[A Horse With No Name]

But the final call should be Frisky Dingo as to what is right...

Personally if you wish add ten fresh choices and start from scratch...this thread is so much fun...and people here do second lists all of the time...

[balthazar]

59 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

So....where do those 3 1960s entries I made stand?

 Ill be honest, I had a hard time convincing myself to include Ford cars...

IMO- it's Ford '03-22, Lincon '17-22 and Merc never. [snif!]

[oldshurst442]

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

IMO- it's Ford '03-22, Lincon '17-22 and Merc never. [snif!]

Okay....

I retreat.

Monday I replace all Ford entries.

 

[A Horse With No Name]

5 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Okay....

I retreat.

Monday I replace all Ford entries.

 

I would still challenge you to do a dream car garage challenge yourself...be it all Ford or whatever.

[Robert Hall]

For this I chose all from one marque to keep it simple. 

1969 Porsche 911S

1970 Porsche 917K

1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS

1978 Porsche 930 Turbo

1984 Porsche 911 Targa

1992 Porsche 928 GTS

1996 Porsche 911S

2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

2010 Porsche Boxster S

2010 Porsche Cayenne Turbo

 

 

 

[A Horse With No Name]

The Carrera is especially nice!

[Frisky Dingo]

14 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

As for Porsche if we both sat down over beer we could come up with a hundred cars easily we would both like to own...

I could come up with a list of 100+ Porsches I'd love to own in less than 5 minutes with no problem at all.

14 hours ago, balthazar said:

 

 

Uhh, you mean pre 1926; Mercedes & Benz is a merger.

I'm not counting it. It was effectively two independent makers at a time when full scale MFR's weren't really a thing yet. 

[oldshurst442]

On 7/7/2017 at 8:35 PM, oldshurst442 said:

1. Ferrari GT California

 

2. Ferrari GT Lusso

 

3. Aston Martin DB5

OK....I see that I need to fix this...

 

4. 1922 Ford T-Bucket...I am allowed 1 concept or race car after all.

 

5. 1985 BMW M635csi

 

6. Series 3 Jaguar XJ12

 

7. 1929 Alfa Romeo 6C 1750 GS

 

8. 1952 Hudson Hornet Twin H POWER!!!

9. Tesla  Model S P100D

 

10. 1986 Porsche 930 Turbo

 

 

 

 I fixed it!!!

Edited July 12, 2017 by oldshurst442

[A Horse With No Name]

Actually i can still bust you on this one as the car in Ferris Buellers day off was a kit car and not an Actual Ferrari...(J/K)

Nice list!