Sales: Sales Figure Ticker: June 2017

[William Maley]

Volkswagen of America - Up 15% (27,377 Vehicles Sold This Month, 161,238 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Subaru of America, Inc. - Up 11.7% (52,057 Vehicles Sold This Month, 304,810 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Audi of America - Up 5.3% (19,416 Vehicles Sold This Month, 102,971 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jaguar Land Rover North America - Up 3% (8,706 Vehicles Sold This Month, 56,504 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Toyota Motor North America - Up 2.1% (202,376 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,155,165 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Nissan North America - Up 2% (143,328 Vehicles Sold This Month, 819,688 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mercedes-Benz USA - Up 1.1% (32,328 Vehicles Sold This Month, 179,743 Vehicles Sold This Year)
American Honda Motor Co. - Up 0.8% (139,793 Vehicles Sold This Month, 791,886 Vehicles Sold This Year)
BMW Group U.S. - Down 1.2% (33,372 Vehicles Sold This Month, 171,291 Vehicles Sold This Year)
General Motors Co. - Down 4.7% (243,155 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,414,446 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mitsubishi Motors North America - Down 5% (7,625 Vehicles Sold This Month, 54,576 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Ford Motor Company -  Down 5.1% (227,979 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,301,102 Vehicles Sold This Year)
FCA US LLC - Down 7% (187,348 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,067,360 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Kia Motors America - Down 10.3% (56,143 Vehicles Sold This Month, 295,736 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mazda North American Operations - Down 14.7% (22,342 Vehicles Sold This Month, 141,624 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volvo Cars of North America, LLC - Down 15% (7,303 Vehicles Sold This Month, 34,105 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Hyundai Motor America - Down 19.3% (54,507 Vehicles Sold This Month, 346,360 Vehicles Sold This Year)

Maserati North America, Inc. - 
Porsche Cars North America, Inc. - 

Brands:
Acura - Up 23.7% (14,038 Vehicles Sold This Month, 73,871 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Alfa Romeo - Up 2,725% (1,017 Vehicles Sold This Month, 3,717 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Audi - Up 5.3% (19,416 Vehicles Sold This Month, 102,971 Vehicles Sold This Year)
BMW - Up 0.4% (28,962 Vehicles Sold This Month, 149,086 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Buick - Up 16.4% (19,299 Vehicles Sold This Month, 110,316 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Cadillac - Down 11.8% (12,580 Vehicles Sold This Month, 72,073 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Chevrolet - Down 6.4% (169,842 Vehicles Sold This Month, 968,882 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Chrysler - Down 15% (19,741 Vehicles Sold This Month, 102,095 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Dodge - Down 14% (42,550 Vehicles Sold This Month, 260,980 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Fiat - Down 4% (2,242 Vehicles Sold This Month, 14,682 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Ford - Down 5.4% (218,704 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,244,765 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Genesis - N/A (1,613 Vehicles Sold This Month, 9,919 Vehicles Sold This Year)
GMC - Down 3.6% (41,434 Vehicles Sold This Month, 263,175 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Honda - Down 1.3% (125,755 Vehicles Sold This Month, 718,015 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Hyundai - Down 21.7% (52,894 Vehicles Sold This Month, 336,441 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Infiniti - Up 11% (12,271 Vehicles Sold This Month, 79,143 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jaguar - Up 7% (2,946 Vehicles Sold This Month, 20,665 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jeep - Down 11% (73,153 Vehicles Sold This Month, 406,291 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Kia - Down 10.3% (56,143 Vehicles Sold This Month, 295,736 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Land Rover - Up 1% (5,760 Vehicles Sold This Month, 35,839 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Lexus - Down 5.4% (24,395 Vehicles Sold This Month, 133,760 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Lincoln - Up 5.3% (9,275 Vehicles Sold This Month, 56,337 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Maserati - 
Mazda - Down 14.7% (22,342 Vehicles Sold This Month, 141,624 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mercedes-Benz - Up 1.7% (32,102 Vehicles Sold This Month, 177,760 Vehicles Sold This Year)*
MINI - Down 10.3% (4,410 Vehicles Sold This Month, 22,205 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mitsubishi - Down 5% (7,625 Vehicles Sold This Month, 54,576 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Nissan - Up 1.2% (131,057 Vehicles Sold This Month, 740,545 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Porsche - 
Ram Trucks - Up 6% (48,645 Vehicles Sold This Month, 279,595 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Smart - Down 44.5% (226 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,983 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Subaru - Up 11.7% (52,057 Vehicles Sold This Month, 304,810 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Toyota - Up 3.2% (177,981 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,021,405 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volkswagen - Up 15% (27,377 Vehicles Sold This Month, 161,238 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volvo - Down 15% (7,303 Vehicles Sold This Month, 34,105 Vehicles Sold This Year)

*Mercedes-Benz's sales numbers include Mercedes-Benz vans.

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[A Horse With No Name]

Glad to see VW up....

Painful month for FCA though...

[G. David Felt]

26 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Glad to see VW up....

Painful month for FCA though...

Painfull for mostly everyone. Clearly the auto market is turning down and I bet will be soft for the rest of this year and into next year if not soft till 2019 as things cool off. They have been on a rip roaring pace for a number of years.

[A Horse With No Name]

3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Painfull for mostly everyone. Clearly the auto market is turning down and I bet will be soft for the rest of this year and into next year if not soft till 2019 as things cool off. They have been on a rip roaring pace for a number of years.

Interesting that electric cars seem to be doing just fine...even the antiquated and overpriced Leaf is up...

[G. David Felt]

4 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Interesting that electric cars seem to be doing just fine...even the antiquated and overpriced Leaf is up...

Leaf is understandable, Nissan is extending all current lease owners till version 2.0 is out so they can roll over to the newer one and are giving away just about existing leases on leaf 1.0 to keep it going as they have had a defection of people to the BOLT.

[smk4565]

FCA is hurting and there is no end in sight for that because Chrysler-Dodge-Fiat have no new product coming.  Keep being down double digits several months in a row now is surprising because they have a new Compass to sell.  Alfa is so small they don't matter.

Good month for VW stable.  Surprised that Acura is up so much when there is nothing new over there.  And they don't have a great line anyway.

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

FCA is hurting and there is no end in sight for that because Chrysler-Dodge-Fiat have no new product coming.  Keep being down double digits several months in a row now is surprising because they have a new Compass to sell.  Alfa is so small they don't matter.

Good month for VW stable.  Surprised that Acura is up so much when there is nothing new over there.  And they don't have a great line anyway.

Actually I am starting to see why Benz sells so many vehicles.  Compared to the lame ILX or the MKC...Benz is a rock star from an automotive standpoint.

[riviera74]

Wow, Only Buick is up, and by double digits.  Cadillac, Chevy, and GMC all down 3.5% or more.  What am I missing here?

[A Horse With No Name]

14 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Wow, Only Buick is up, and by double digits.  Cadillac, Chevy, and GMC all down 3.5% or more.  What am I missing here?

I don't know...but it is odd!

[smk4565]

Cadillac has a lack of crossovers, that kills them.  Chevy needs a new Traverse and a crossover under Traverse, above Equinox.  

Ford, GMC, and Chevy all get big numbers from full size pick-ups and SUVs, the cost on those is pretty high, and at some point the price goes up so high that even 6-7 year car loans can't make them affordable for people who for the most part aren't seeing any pay raises but are seeing the cost of everything else go up.

 

 

[regfootball]

^^^ nail on the head. 

I think in dog days of summer, with ending of model year, incentives can swing buyer decisions drastically. 

There is a lot of big shifts here. VW is probably benefiting from the atlas and other reasons

agree that GM is still behind the curve on crossovers. I don't think the new equinox is killing it, and now there's a big gap left for the blazer and the new traverse isn't out yet. New crv and likes of Tiguan are gonna crush it and chevy decides to actually go smaller (smh)

hyundai in particular is very puzzling too. They are often easiest to get money on. 

 Xt5 is killin it though and making nice coin for gm

[smk4565]

New Traverse is on sale and on fire.  I didn't realize the new one was on sale already.  Chevy sedans got killed.  The large sedan market is just disappearing.

[A Horse With No Name]

Subaru is doing very well for itself also! 

[smk4565]

3 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Subaru is doing very well for itself also! 

Subaru has done something like double is American market sales since 2007 or 2008.  They do a good job pushing the safety with all wheel drive and eye sight, and I think there is a lot of appeal with that brand to older buyers you like that sort of security.

[riviera74]

Are Chevy and Cadillac supposed to go CUV and SUV only?  If so, be careful.  Before the last recession (and big spike in gas prices) there was talk of Chevy going trucks and SUVs only.  $4+ per gallon made that idea look really stupid.  Cadillac could use a smaller version of the XT5 pronto.  Chevy already has three; I doubt they need four CUVs.

[A Horse With No Name]

10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Subaru has done something like double is American market sales since 2007 or 2008.  They do a good job pushing the safety with all wheel drive and eye sight, and I think there is a lot of appeal with that brand to older buyers you like that sort of security.

Actually they appeal to a lot of younger buyers also...I have three children in their twenties and all three of them seem to have a lot of friends who drive Subarus.

[smk4565]

7 hours ago, riviera74 said:

Are Chevy and Cadillac supposed to go CUV and SUV only?  If so, be careful.  Before the last recession (and big spike in gas prices) there was talk of Chevy going trucks and SUVs only.  $4+ per gallon made that idea look really stupid.  Cadillac could use a smaller version of the XT5 pronto.  Chevy already has three; I doubt they need four CUVs.

A brand like Chevy that is full line could support 6 crossovers.  Crossovers outsell sedans and coupes combined and look at how many sedans and coupes Chevy has.  Once they start dropping car lines, they will put more crossovers in.

[balthazar]

Should manufacturers also drop halo cars, flagship cars and sports car to build more CUVs?
You know- the full line mainstreams brands?
Why not? (because I already know the answer here)

[Guest AsianPersuasian]

Even without a lot of truck sales, few CUV choices and virtually no fleet dumping, my beloved Honda is more or less even.  This makes me happy.

[riviera74]

31 minutes ago, Guest AsianPersuasian said:

Even without a lot of truck sales, few CUV choices and virtually no fleet dumping, my beloved Honda is more or less even.  This makes me happy.

Honda does NOT make trucks.  The Ridgeline is a rebodied Odyssey.

It is strange that Honda only makes the CR-V, the HR-V, the Pilot and not much else other than cars and the Odyssey.  Yet in this CUV era, Honda does continue to sell just fine as if they were unaffected by anything.  It is rare that Honda sells anything to fleets at all.

[smk4565]

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Should manufacturers also drop halo cars, flagship cars and sports car to build more CUVs?
You know- the full line mainstreams brands?
Why not? (because I already know the answer here)

I am not saying Chevy should drop the Corvette or anything.  But do they need a Sonic and Cruze?  Or could those merge into one product?  Impala is going to die just because the segment is.  Personally, I would down size the Cruze and kill  the Sonic, offer, a 3 door, 5 door and a sedan of it.  Downsize the Malibu to about 185 inches long, cut the price to $19k base, and I would downsize the Impala to the size of the current Malibu and cut the price to $23k base.

[balthazar]

I've always thought there were too many models too close together in size, for ALL the mainstream brands.

40 years ago, when you had a loaded Chevette if you had an AM-FM and a console, things were different. Now every size class has display screens, full power everything, AWD, turbos, etc- most of the differences left are styling (a lateral) and size (again: too close together). If there's not 12" in overall length difference between adjacent model lines, you're doing it wrong/ wasting development millions.

RE: Chevrolet- the Spark is horrid, kill that. Sonic has the 4-dr and 4-dr hatch, not sure the market is asking for a 2-dr hatch tho. Then you'd have the core 4 : Sonic, Cruze, Malibu, Impala. Add Bolt & Volt, which are more laterals off the Sonic & Cruze (or is it the Malibu?), and the car lines are done. Camaro & Corvette obvious are standouts, and stay.

[A Horse With No Name]

4 hours ago, Guest AsianPersuasian said:

Even without a lot of truck sales, few CUV choices and virtually no fleet dumping, my beloved Honda is more or less even.  This makes me happy.

I am Happy for you.

In the mean time, I will quite happily enjoy German cars.

5 hours ago, balthazar said:

Should manufacturers also drop halo cars, flagship cars and sports car to build more CUVs?
You know- the full line mainstreams brands?
Why not? (because I already know the answer here)

Quit trying to confuse people with Logic, evidence an reason.  That never seems to end well for anyone.

[frogger]

3 hours ago, riviera74 said:

Honda does NOT make trucks.  The Ridgeline is a rebodied Odyssey.

It is strange that Honda only makes the CR-V, the HR-V, the Pilot and not much else other than cars and the Odyssey.  Yet in this CUV era, Honda does continue to sell just fine as if they were unaffected by anything.  It is rare that Honda sells anything to fleets at all.

Outside of trucks, once the new Accord debuts, they will have one of the fresher lineups in the heart of the market (compact car, compact CUV, midsize sedan and I guess subcompact CUV's are up there now too) along with Chevrolet, and all of them are pretty much at or near the top of their class in sales.

 

 

 

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, frogger said:

Outside of trucks, once the new Accord debuts, they will have one of the fresher lineups in the heart of the market (compact car, compact CUV, midsize sedan and I guess subcompact CUV's are up there now too) along with Chevrolet, and all of them are pretty much at or near the top of their class in sales.

Even with the new Accord, their lineup looks dated, looks stale and is so frumpy from over conservative style that it will only appeal to hard core Honda fans. Their product line will NOT win Market share.

Just soso interiors even in their newest auto's and small tight interior room. Honda need fresh blood from outside the company not more of their yes sir lemming employees.

Sorry, but I have to totally disagree with you about Honda.

[Guest AsianPersuasian]

Frogger is correct, all they need is the new Accord and they will have a great lineup.  People trust Honda and I can't say that about most automakers. Certainly not GM.

[daves87rs]

1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasian said:

Frogger is correct, all they need is the new Accord and they will have a great lineup.  People trust Honda and I can't say that about most automakers. Certainly not GM.

You might have to tell that to my neighbor and the issues he is having with his new CRV. While Honda can be good, they are far from perfect....

Besides the Ru', those up in sales slapped on the discounts....I expect pretty much everyone to follow that starting this month.....the 18 model year is not looking good at all......

[Guest Ohio]

Gm is not going to get rid of the car lines.  They sell enough to keep them going and should.  Gas and peoples preference will change again. 

VW is a joke they are only up because of how down they were last year.  I could care less about them there cars aren't great and all look the same.  The Atlas is going to be a big flop.

[G. David Felt]

3 hours ago, Guest AsianPersuasian said:

Frogger is correct, all they need is the new Accord and they will have a great lineup.  People trust Honda and I can't say that about most automakers. Certainly not GM.

I can say that about all the asian and german brands on top of the US brands. They all have good times and bad times. Right now the GM and to a certain point FORD are doing way better than the Germans and many of the Asians.

[daves87rs]

2 hours ago, Guest Ohio said:

Gm is not going to get rid of the car lines.  They sell enough to keep them going and should.  Gas and peoples preference will change again. 

VW is a joke they are only up because of how down they were last year.  I could care less about them there cars aren't great and all look the same.  The Atlas is going to be a big flop.

Back in the olden days GM could afford to keep everything around......like when they could give away cavaliers and cobalts because of the nice profits on trucks....but times are not like that anymore...

I can look at GM's lineup and tell you that at least 6 (should be no more) models that will disappear within the next 2-3 years. It;s not all doom and gloom though, as I'm sure some could come back later. Didn't take long for small trucks to come back. It's one of the few times being global helps you out a bit- I can even see automakers working together again on sharing more models at some point....

VW is paying for those mistakes they made....and I would never underestimate them too much....

[A Horse With No Name]

9 hours ago, Guest AsianPersuasian said:

Frogger is correct, all they need is the new Accord and they will have a great lineup.  People trust Honda and I can't say that about most automakers. Certainly not GM.

I would trust GM in a heart beat before Ford.

Honda does have a nice lineup but I am not a fanboi for any Brand.

7 hours ago, Guest Ohio said:

Gm is not going to get rid of the car lines.  They sell enough to keep them going and should.  Gas and peoples preference will change again. 

VW is a joke they are only up because of how down they were last year.  I could care less about them there cars aren't great and all look the same.  The Atlas is going to be a big flop.

Aren't you a cheerful Little puppy.

GM, VW and Audi are brands I would drive before Ford or Lincoln any day of the week.

4 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Back in the olden days GM could afford to keep everything around......like when they could give away cavaliers and cobalts because of the nice profits on trucks....but times are not like that anymore...

I can look at GM's lineup and tell you that at least 6 (should be no more) models that will disappear within the next 2-3 years. It;s not all doom and gloom though, as I'm sure some could come back later. Didn't take long for small trucks to come back. It's one of the few times being global helps you out a bit- I can even see automakers working together again on sharing more models at some point....

VW is paying for those mistakes they made....and I would never underestimate them too much....

The voice of reason!

[A Horse With No Name]

14 hours ago, frogger said:

Outside of trucks, once the new Accord debuts, they will have one of the fresher lineups in the heart of the market (compact car, compact CUV, midsize sedan and I guess subcompact CUV's are up there now too) along with Chevrolet, and all of them are pretty much at or near the top of their class in sales.

 

 

 

Again contrast this with how dated Fords passenger car lineup is.

[frogger]

In the 3 classes where 300k unit sales for a model is possible, Ford is really dated..  I don't see a viable entry from them in the subcompact CUV class yet either.

 

VW needs to offer the SWB Tiguan too but maybe they haven't figured out a way to do it cheaply enough.

 

[G. David Felt]

22 minutes ago, frogger said:

In the 3 classes where 300k unit sales for a model is possible, Ford is really dated..  I don't see a viable entry from them in the subcompact CUV class yet either.

 

VW needs to offer the SWB Tiguan too but maybe they haven't figured out a way to do it cheaply enough.

 

So True, I totally agree. VW has not learned how to build cheap enough nor have they figured out how to really build for the North American market just as GM and Ford have not figured out how to build for the European market.

[A Horse With No Name]

13 hours ago, dfelt said:

Even with the new Accord, their lineup looks dated, looks stale and is so frumpy from over conservative style that it will only appeal to hard core Honda fans. Their product line will NOT win Market share.

Just soso interiors even in their newest auto's and small tight interior room. Honda need fresh blood from outside the company not more of their yes sir lemming employees.

Sorry, but I have to totally disagree with you about Honda.

They are ahead of Ford, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, and the like in terms of cars-

Civic is not my cup of tea but is a really hot product in the market place.

18 minutes ago, dfelt said:

So True, I totally agree. VW has not learned how to build cheap enough nor have they figured out how to really build for the North American market just as GM and Ford have not figured out how to build for the European market.

Disagree....the Fiesta is the number one selling car in Britain according to one source I read.

VW is up 15 percent and Ford is down five percent for a Delta (difference) of 20 percent...that doesn't happen in a down amrket for no reason.

43 minutes ago, frogger said:

In the 3 classes where 300k unit sales for a model is possible, Ford is really dated..  I don't see a viable entry from them in the subcompact CUV class yet either.

 

VW needs to offer the SWB Tiguan too but maybe they haven't figured out a way to do it cheaply enough.

 

F 150's and Mustangs baby...the same marketing concept they had in 1974!

SWB Tiguan would help.

[surreal1272]

9 hours ago, dfelt said:

I can say that about all the asian and german brands on top of the US brands. They all have good times and bad times. Right now the GM and to a certain point FORD are doing way better than the Germans and many of the Asians.

Sometimes people say things to just say things, almost like they are "winging" it. Makes absolutely no sense. 

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Sometimes people say things to just say things, almost like they are "winging" it. Makes absolutely no sense. 

Flint is obviously not the only city in Michigan with a high lead content in the drinking water....that's all I will say.

One wonders what happens when ones Corporate Overlord/Employer/source of worship and wonder finds out one has been praising the competition...

Methinks those porn videos that show a painful caining or paddling might be a pretense of things to come for a former member..

[G. David Felt]

4 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

They are ahead of Ford, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, and the like in terms of cars-

Civic is not my cup of tea but is a really hot product in the market place.

Disagree....the Fiesta is the number one selling car in Britain according to one source I read.

VW is up 15 percent and Ford is down five percent for a Delta (difference) of 20 percent...that doesn't happen in a down amrket for no reason.

F 150's and Mustangs baby...the same marketing concept they had in 1974!

SWB Tiguan would help.

I understand your point of view. Being ahead of some who are already low is not that great of a gain. But Honda appeals to certain types of peeps.

Fiesta is the rare auto that also sells in a much higher trim form in Europe. The rest of Fords product line and pretty much all of GM is a failure to that market sadly. Like VW here in North America, Ford and GM have not yet figured out the market dynamics.

Still on the fence in regards to VW CUVs if they will truly capture market share of just move sales from cars to cuv's.

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, dfelt said:

I understand your point of view. Being ahead of some who are already low is not that great of a gain. But Honda appeals to certain types of peeps.

Fiesta is the rare auto that also sells in a much higher trim form in Europe. The rest of Fords product line and pretty much all of GM is a failure to that market sadly. Like VW here in North America, Ford and GM have not yet figured out the market dynamics.

Still on the fence in regards to VW CUVs if they will truly capture market share of just move sales from cars to cuv's.

We will see what will happen...

And yes, VW lacks a rational marketing plan for the North American amrket, and Europeans do not tend to prefer American cars.  My only point was it was not absolute, there are exceptions.

[G. David Felt]

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Flint is obviously not the only city in Michigan with a high lead content in the drinking water....that's all I will say.

One wonders what happens when ones Corporate Overlord/Employer/source of worship and wonder finds out one has been praising the competition...

Methinks those porn videos that show a painful caining or paddling might be a pretense of things to come for a former member..

So something along these lines?

 

 

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, dfelt said:

So something along these lines?

 

 

One wonders if the video will surface here at C and G....Apparently photographs of Amelia Earhart captured by the Japanese ahve surfaced...everything comes to light eventually.

[Drew Dowdell]

12 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Back in the olden days GM could afford to keep everything around......like when they could give away cavaliers and cobalts because of the nice profits on trucks....but times are not like that anymore...

I can look at GM's lineup and tell you that at least 6 (should be no more) models that will disappear within the next 2-3 years. It;s not all doom and gloom though, as I'm sure some could come back later. Didn't take long for small trucks to come back. It's one of the few times being global helps you out a bit- I can even see automakers working together again on sharing more models at some point....

VW is paying for those mistakes they made....and I would never underestimate them too much....

Can you list which ones you think are on the chopping block?  I have my own ideas, but I wonder what yours are.

[Drew Dowdell]

Guys, can we not dig up the Ghost of Christmas past even though we know he still haunts us?

[A Horse With No Name]

9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Guys, can we not dig up the Ghost of Christmas past even though we know he still haunts us?

Fair enough....do you have a better idea other than Humor and Sarcasm to deal with the issue in our midst?

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Fair enough....do you have a better idea other than Humor and Sarcasm to deal with the issue in our midst?

Do not feed the ghosts.  

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

Do not feed the ghosts.  

If that is your wish....consider it done.

[riviera74]

A question for all: which current (i.e. new) GM vehicle would you buy if money were no object?

 

I will start: XT5 Premium Luxury or CT6 Platinum.

[Drew Dowdell]

Escalade Platinum or CT6 PHEV 

[G. David Felt]

Escalade Platinum for myself

XT5 for the Wife.

Wish they still had an Escalade EXT! 

[oldshurst442]

7 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

A question for all: which current (i.e. new) GM vehicle would you buy if money were no object?

 

I will start: XT5 Premium Luxury or CT6 Platinum.

Between those two choices...CT6 Platinum

These next few cars and trucks(if any) are what I would buy from GM.

V

Vsport

 

 

1000 HP Trans Am

Or the Exorcist....but I dont like this Hennessey fella! So I would rather give my money to Kevin Morgan.

Plus, since I dont really like a Camaro, this way, its a Camaro without it looking like one and I get to save face. And yes, the 1000HP Trans Am belongs in my answer as I need to buy a Camaro from the local Chevrolet store for the conversion!!!

I dont think I missed anything.