Honda News: 2018 Honda Accord Drops the Six

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, frogger said:

Acura is so stuck in the mud, they might as well make it their electric brand at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think there is any revitalizing it.

13 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

There are probably more Accords on the road than GM W-bodies.  

What will be interesting here is the Accord is a great mass market sedan but not a good luxury or sports sedan when Acura sells it.  So if Accord is built for sub 2 liter 4 cylinder engines, what about Acura?  Doesn't make sense to put in extra space under hood or to increase weight to support a V6 that won't be in the Accord.  And Acura isn't going to use a 1.5 liter turbo.  

There will be platform sharing, pretty simple to set up a platform for different engine choices.

As to the number of Accords on the road, there seem to be fewer and fewer all of the time here in Central Ohio. People are waking up to the fact that Honda is past its prime. 

[G. David Felt]

15 minutes ago, frogger said:

Acura is so stuck in the mud, they might as well make it their electric brand at this point.

AGREE 10000% This would be a great way for them to re-image themselves as an industry leader and go pure EV for the product line.

[G. David Felt]

36 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

There are probably more Accords on the road than GM W-bodies.  

What will be interesting here is the Accord is a great mass market sedan but not a good luxury or sports sedan when Acura sells it.  So if Accord is built for sub 2 liter 4 cylinder engines, what about Acura?  Doesn't make sense to put in extra space under hood or to increase weight to support a V6 that won't be in the Accord.  And Acura isn't going to use a 1.5 liter turbo.  

Not sure just how many w body platforms are on the road compared to accord, but this story from 2014 where it stated Honda as saying over the past 30 years they had built and sold 10 million accords in North America and it is still to this day the #1 most stolen auto with no real reason other than they are easy to break into and steal for stripping on the aftermarket. 

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/honda-accord-stolen-vehicle/story?id=23883693

If someone would pay for an Experian report we could probably see just how many specific models are registered to see who has the most on the roads.

This site would give us the answer, anyone have an extra $325.00 for the report?

https://www.statista.com/study/11463/car-brands-statista-dossier/

[ykX]

Not 100% sure but 2016 Best Selling Mid Size Sedans sales are as follows:

1. Camry - 233,832

2. Accord - 201,300

3. Altima - 197,644

4. Fusion - 170,840

5. Malibu - 132,145

6. Sonata - 125,036

7. Opima - 70,847

[Drew Dowdell]

15 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Honda seems to avoid fleeting out the Accord.  I have yet to encounter one in the rental fleets.  In the last 18 months or so, I've rented the Malibu (current and previous), Sonata, Camry, Altima, Passat, and Fusion.   

Honda proudly does not fleet out their cars. The brag about it at nearly every press conference of theirs I've been to. 

[frogger]

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Not 100% sure but 2016 Best Selling Mid Size Sedans sales are as follows:

1. Camry - 233,832

2. Accord - 201,300

3. Altima - 197,644

4. Fusion - 170,840

5. Malibu - 132,145

6. Sonata - 125,036

7. Opima - 70,847

Where did you find those numbers?

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2017/01/usa-midsize-car-sales-stats-december-2016-year-end.html

 

[Drew Dowdell]

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Not 100% sure but 2016 Best Selling Mid Size Sedans sales are as follows:

1. Camry - 233,832

2. Accord - 201,300

3. Altima - 197,644

4. Fusion - 170,840

5. Malibu - 132,145

6. Sonata - 125,036

7. Opima - 70,847

I hadn't realized Malibu had grown that much. Sonata and Optima combined sales have been equal to Altima for a couple years now... the Koreans can't seem to shake that position. 

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I hadn't realized Malibu had grown that much. Sonata and Optima combined sales have been equal to Altima for a couple years now... the Koreans can't seem to shake that position. 

The Koreans still have some product development to do to grown their position IMHO.

3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Honda proudly does not fleet out their cars. The brag about it at nearly every press conference of theirs I've been to. 

But they also do not have to keep as many factories running as GM does.  It is a whole different game being a full line auto maker.

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Not 100% sure but 2016 Best Selling Mid Size Sedans sales are as follows:

1. Camry - 233,832

2. Accord - 201,300

3. Altima - 197,644

4. Fusion - 170,840

5. Malibu - 132,145

6. Sonata - 125,036

7. Opima - 70,847

Actually none of these are cars I wish to own, but then again I am an atypical car buyer.

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

AGREE 10000% This would be a great way for them to re-image themselves as an industry leader and go pure EV for the product line.

Except that they lag behind GM, Tesla and also Toyota badly in terms of electric and hybrid technology.  They also lag behind Ford....

[ykX]

4 minutes ago, frogger said:

Where did you find those numbers?

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2017/01/usa-midsize-car-sales-stats-december-2016-year-end.html

 

Your link is just for December 2016,

I just googled "midsize sedan sales 2016" and a number of links gave similar numbers

[frogger]

4 minutes ago, ykX said:

Your link is just for December 2016,

I just googled "midsize sedan sales 2016" and a number of links gave similar numbers

Nope the Full year numbers are to the right of the monthly numbers..

And this link confirms, Camry sold ~388,000 in 2016.  Your numbers are low

http://www.tflcar.com/2017/01/toyota-camry-leads-midsize-sedan-sales-overall-sales-2016-news/

Edited June 13, 2017 by frogger

[ykX]

1 minute ago, frogger said:

Nope the Full year numbers are to the right of the monthly numbers..

And this link confirms, Camry sold ~388,000 in 2016.  Your numbers are low

http://www.tflcar.com/2017/01/toyota-camry-leads-midsize-sedan-sales-overall-sales-2016-news/

Well, in your list Accord is still number 2 in sales, and that as Drew mentioned without any fleet sales.  

[Drew Dowdell]

Toyota does do fleet and Nissan fleets heavily. 

[frogger]

 

4 minutes ago, ykX said:

Well, in your list Accord is still number 2 in sales, and that as Drew mentioned without any fleet sales.  

I found your numbers... 
"Popularity based on calendar-year sales through July 2016"

Full year

Toyota Camry	388,618
Honda Accord	345,225
Nissan Altima	307,380
Ford Fusion	265,840
Chevrolet Malibu	227,881
Hyundai Sonata	199,416
Kia Optima	124,203
Volkswagen Passat	73,002
Subaru Legacy	65,306
Chrysler 200	57,294
Mazda 6	45,520
Buick Regal	19,833
Volkswagen CC	3237
Dodge Avenger	45

 

Edited June 13, 2017 by frogger

[ykX]

3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Toyota does do fleet and Nissan fleets heavily. 

Yes, plenty of Altimas and Camrys in rentals, same as Fusion and Malibu

[surreal1272]

20 minutes ago, ykX said:

Yes, plenty of Altimas and Camrys in rentals, same as Fusion and Malibu

Nissan has a much higher fleet rate than GM or Ford these days. 

[ykX]

1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

Nissan has a much higher fleet rate than GM or Ford these days. 

Maybe it is true, doesn't really matter to me.  My point was that people were burying Accord and saying it is not sold as much as it is used to, but yet it is still number 2 in sales even without any fleet sales.

[A Horse With No Name]

46 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Nissan has a much higher fleet rate than GM or Ford these days. 

Given how cheap they feel, probably the only way they can move product.

41 minutes ago, ykX said:

Maybe it is true, doesn't really matter to me.  My point was that people were burying Accord and saying it is not sold as much as it is used to, but yet it is still number 2 in sales even without any fleet sales.

...and people should buy it, it is a solid choice.  It's just not the only choice.

[A Horse With No Name]

 

....One less Accord on the planet....

[G. David Felt]

4 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

 

....One less Accord on the planet....

 WOW  She looks like she is not sure what happened even though it is her fault.

[smk4565]

2 hours ago, frogger said:

 

I found your numbers... 
"Popularity based on calendar-year sales through July 2016"

Full year

Toyota Camry	388,618
Honda Accord	345,225
Nissan Altima	307,380
Ford Fusion	265,840
Chevrolet Malibu	227,881
Hyundai Sonata	199,416
Kia Optima	124,203
Volkswagen Passat	73,002
Subaru Legacy	65,306
Chrysler 200	57,294
Mazda 6	45,520
Buick Regal	19,833
Volkswagen CC	3237
Dodge Avenger	45

 

Pretty sure the Rolls-Royce Phantom outsold the Dodge Avenger last year, and might outsell the Chrysler 200 this year!

[smk4565]

4 hours ago, frogger said:

Acura is so stuck in the mud, they might as well make it their electric brand at this point.

 

 

 

 

 

Acura is outselling Cadillac in 2017.  Acura needs an help, namely more crossovers and maybe a CL coupe/convertible revival, but things could be worse.  

[oldshurst442]

7 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

He should be driving an Air cooled VW Beetle or a Model T ford actually, if that is his criteria.  Also, why does he not register for an account if he wants to enter into serious automotive discussion with us?

It's not like we stand naked in the back yard, bite the head off of a bat, and bark at the moon...

Or snort a line of ants!

He is just a DREAMER, this AsianPersuasion dude is!!!

Maybe he is making a joke, but it aint funny that is why I will sigh and YOU will laugh and HE will cry...

 

 

Edited June 13, 2017 by oldshurst442

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Acura is outselling Cadillac in 2017.  Acura needs an help, namely more crossovers and maybe a CL coupe/convertible revival, but things could be worse.  

A perfect example of how sales volume does not equal quality of vehicle.

Also, Cadillac is gaining market share in China, something Acura will never do given the Chinese animosity towards the Japanese after world war two.

[smk4565]

6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

A perfect example of how sales volume does not equal quality of vehicle.

Also, Cadillac is gaining market share in China, something Acura will never do given the Chinese animosity towards the Japanese after world war two.

Globally Acura doesn't have much going, they are pretty much a North American brand.  They need a 3rd and perhaps 4th crossover, they need a bit higher performance and better handling.   They can carve out a good niche in entry lux with the Honda reliability behind them, but they'll never be global, nor will they ever be a tier 1 luxury car company.  Sort of like how Lincoln will never be global, and never be tier 1.  Both are just too closely tied to the main brand.

Cadillac is growing fast in China, but still a long way behind the German 3.  

[A Horse With No Name]

15 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Globally Acura doesn't have much going, they are pretty much a North American brand.  They need a 3rd and perhaps 4th crossover, they need a bit higher performance and better handling.   They can carve out a good niche in entry lux with the Honda reliability behind them, but they'll never be global, nor will they ever be a tier 1 luxury car company.  Sort of like how Lincoln will never be global, and never be tier 1.  Both are just too closely tied to the main brand.

Cadillac is growing fast in China, but still a long way behind the German 3.  

Agreed...I actually like Acura, I just also like Cadillac.

And yes, Lincoln will never be tier one.

[Cmicasa the Great]

17 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Globally Acura doesn't have much going, they are pretty much a North American brand.  They need a 3rd and perhaps 4th crossover, they need a bit higher performance and better handling.   They can carve out a good niche in entry lux with the Honda reliability behind them, but they'll never be global, nor will they ever be a tier 1 luxury car company.  Sort of like how Lincoln will never be global, and never be tier 1.  Both are just too closely tied to the main brand.

Cadillac is growing fast in China, but still a long way behind the German 3.  

Long way? In what way? If u look at the TOP... at the TOP of the actual luxury game Cadillac is currently equal with both Lexus, Audi and Jag.. and only a car away from BMW. The BMW thing is TODAY. ONce the 6 Series is dead completely, and until the 8Series actually lives.. Cadillac will be on pretty much equal footing. Benz currently has a leg up because of the upper S-Classes, Pullman, and GTs, but that could be remedied by a rebodied Vette.. which in many ways, when bringing the Z06 and upcoming ZR1 into the mix.. as luxury as any sports coupe Benz has. Fuck Benz.. and I hope they and their buyers drive off off a cliff

[Robert Hall]

Not sure what discussion of luxury marques has to do with Honda, but Mercedes-Benz has the advantage of a broad range--they have many coupes, convertibles, sports cars, CUVs, and SUVs...Cadillac's line is very limited--only one compact coupe and no convertibles.  

[smk4565]

55 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Long way? In what way? If u look at the TOP... at the TOP of the actual luxury game Cadillac is currently equal with both Lexus, Audi and Jag.. and only a car away from BMW. The BMW thing is TODAY. ONce the 6 Series is dead completely, and until the 8Series actually lives.. Cadillac will be on pretty much equal footing. Benz currently has a leg up because of the upper S-Classes, Pullman, and GTs, but that could be remedied by a rebodied Vette.. which in many ways, when bringing the Z06 and upcoming ZR1 into the mix.. as luxury as any sports coupe Benz has. f@#k Benz.. and I hope they and their buyers drive off off a cliff

Audi sold 591,000 cars in China last year, Cadillac sold 116,000.  They have a long way to go.  JLR I think outsold Cadillac in China last year.  Going back to Acura , they have nothing doing outside of the USA.  And being so heavily tied to the CR-V, Pilot and Accord I think is the reason why.

Edited June 14, 2017 by smk4565

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Globally Acura doesn't have much going, they are pretty much a North American brand.  They need a 3rd and perhaps 4th crossover, they need a bit higher performance and better handling.   They can carve out a good niche in entry lux with the Honda reliability behind them, but they'll never be global, nor will they ever be a tier 1 luxury car company.  Sort of like how Lincoln will never be global, and never be tier 1.  Both are just too closely tied to the main brand.

Cadillac is growing fast in China, but still a long way behind the German 3.  

Again with this counting a single brand, Cadillac, against all of the German 3 when it's GM that you should be comparing there. You won't do that though because you know GM walks all over all three of them in China. 

 

And when the hell did this go from the Accord to damn luxury cars?

[smk4565]

21 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Again with this counting a single brand, Cadillac, against all of the German 3 when it's GM that you should be comparing there. You won't do that though because you know GM walks all over all three of them in China. 

 

And when the hell did this go from the Accord to damn luxury cars?

We could do VW vs GM in China and it is game over GM.  The German 3 luxury brands are competing with each other, Cadillac, Acura, Lincoln, etc aren't even on their radar.   In fact, Tesla is the brand the German 3 luxury brands are worried about.

It got to luxury cars because I wondered about the future of Acura.  Since the Accord is 4-cylinder only, they obviously are going to design it with a smaller under hood area and a structure made to carry less weight.  So that won't work for Acura, so does Acura differentiate more from the Accord?  Which they need to do. 

[smk4565]

2 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

 ONce the 6 Series is dead completely,

The 6-series is back for 2018!  And now with 5 doors!

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

Again with this counting a single brand, Cadillac, against all of the German 3 when it's GM that you should be comparing there. You won't do that though because you know GM walks all over all three of them in China. 

 

And when the hell did this go from the Accord to damn luxury cars?

When someone wanted to slut shame GM for things that are not real....

4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The 6-series is back for 2018!  And now with 5 doors!

I am sure all 241 buyers here in America will be very happy with them.

53 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

We could do VW vs GM in China and it is game over GM.  The German 3 luxury brands are competing with each other, Cadillac, Acura, Lincoln, etc aren't even on their radar.   In fact, Tesla is the brand the German 3 luxury brands are worried about.

It got to luxury cars because I wondered about the future of Acura.  Since the Accord is 4-cylinder only, they obviously are going to design it with a smaller under hood area and a structure made to carry less weight.  So that won't work for Acura, so does Acura differentiate more from the Accord?  Which they need to do. 

Again, you are being willfully ignorant.

Honda can design a platform that will take a 4 for the Accord and a 6 for the Acura.  If GM can build a chassis for a Nova in 1968 that will take multiple power plants Honda can do it in 2017.

Edited June 14, 2017 by A Horse With No Name

[A Horse With No Name]

2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Not sure what discussion of luxury marques has to do with Honda, but Mercedes-Benz has the advantage of a broad range--they have many coupes, convertibles, sports cars, CUVs, and SUVs...Cadillac's line is very limited--only one compact coupe and no convertibles.  

Mercedes has a world wide market to Amortize the costs.

[smk4565]

Try 241 buyers per month.

The Accord Crosstour may make a return after the success of the 6-series GT

And not sure how it sidetracked to far onto other luxury brands.  My original question was about Acura.  Because the TL, TLX, TSX, RLX over the years have all been strongly related to the Accord, which always had a V6.  And I know you can engineer a car for different powertrains, but TLX already has a 4 cylinder base, I could see a turbo 4 going in there and the V6 getting dropped.  They could drop the RLX all together, and Acura/Honda would have the V6 in the Pilot platform with Ridgeline, Odyssey, MDX, etc.

Edited June 14, 2017 by smk4565

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

We could do VW vs GM in China and it is game over GM.  The German 3 luxury brands are competing with each other, Cadillac, Acura, Lincoln, etc aren't even on their radar.   In fact, Tesla is the brand the German 3 luxury brands are worried about.

It got to luxury cars because I wondered about the future of Acura.  Since the Accord is 4-cylinder only, they obviously are going to design it with a smaller under hood area and a structure made to carry less weight.  So that won't work for Acura, so does Acura differentiate more from the Accord?  Which they need to do. 

 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

We could do VW vs GM in China and it is game over GM.  The German 3 luxury brands are competing with each other, Cadillac, Acura, Lincoln, etc aren't even on their radar.   In fact, Tesla is the brand the German 3 luxury brands are worried about.

It got to luxury cars because I wondered about the future of Acura.  Since the Accord is 4-cylinder only, they obviously are going to design it with a smaller under hood area and a structure made to carry less weight.  So that won't work for Acura, so does Acura differentiate more from the Accord?  Which they need to do. 

First off, VW and only VW can actually say that they can compete and outsell GM as a whole in China. BMW and Mercedes can make no such claim, not even close. As a matter of fact, they are not even on GMs radar (see how that works?).

 

Second, if you seriously think that Cadillac is not on their radar, then you are just being either willfully ignorant or you are just trolling because I promise you they are.

 

Third, everyone is worried about Tesla.

 

Finally, thanks for confirming the pure trolling in bringing up other luxury makes like Cadillac, when it has ZERO to do with the Accord and by extension Acura. 

Edited June 14, 2017 by surreal1272

[Cmicasa the Great]

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Audi sold 591,000 cars in China last year, Cadillac sold 116,000.  They have a long way to go.  JLR I think outsold Cadillac in China last year.  Going back to Acura , they have nothing doing outside of the USA.  And being so heavily tied to the CR-V, Pilot and Accord I think is the reason why.

Oh sales.. I thought U were talking about LUXURY. I bet good money that about 70-80% of those Audis were bottom feeders

 

[smk4565]

26 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Oh sales.. I thought U were talking about LUXURY. I bet good money that about 70-80% of those Audis were bottom feeders

 

The A6 is the #1 selling Audi in China.

[A Horse With No Name]

6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The A6 is the #1 selling Audi in China.

Chinese is the #1 language in China, which is equally relevant to the Accord.

37 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Oh sales.. I thought U were talking about LUXURY. I bet good money that about 70-80% of those Audis were bottom feeders

 

The other question is why does everything have to be a way to shame Cadillac? Were SMK unable to perform his manly duties for his wife it would ultimately somehow be the fault of the Cadillac engineering team.

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

 

 

Second, if you seriously think that Cadillac is not on their radar, then you are just being either willfully ignorant or you are just trolling because I promise you they are.

Finally, thanks for confirming the pure trolling in bringing up other luxury makes like Cadillac, when it has ZERO to do with the Accord and by extension Acura. 

I am having a hard time believing that SMK is a real person and not just the sock puppet of a GM fan created to make import buyers look stupid... seriously.  I have been hanging around import car guys for decades and none of them spews the utter nonsense SMK does.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Try 241 buyers per month.

The Accord Crosstour may make a return after the success of the 6-series GT

And not sure how it sidetracked to far onto other luxury brands.  My original question was about Acura.  Because the TL, TLX, TSX, RLX over the years have all been strongly related to the Accord, which always had a V6.  And I know you can engineer a car for different powertrains, but TLX already has a 4 cylinder base, I could see a turbo 4 going in there and the V6 getting dropped.  They could drop the RLX all together, and Acura/Honda would have the V6 in the Pilot platform with Ridgeline, Odyssey, MDX, etc.

The Accord Crosstour is as dead as Thomas Jefferson or Any Winehouse.

The difference being that one of them had value as a politician and one of them had value as a musician.

[regfootball]

8 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Honda proudly does not fleet out their cars. The brag about it at nearly every press conference of theirs I've been to. 

except for the fleeting of sign of drive leases LOL

[A Horse With No Name]

All the Crosstour ever did was take up parking space at Honda dealership.

[regfootball]

8 hours ago, frogger said:

 

I found your numbers... 
"Popularity based on calendar-year sales through July 2016"

Full year

Toyota Camry	388,618
Honda Accord	345,225
Nissan Altima	307,380
Ford Fusion	265,840
Chevrolet Malibu	227,881
Hyundai Sonata	199,416
Kia Optima	124,203
Volkswagen Passat	73,002
Subaru Legacy	65,306
Chrysler 200	57,294
Mazda 6	45,520
Buick Regal	19,833
Volkswagen CC	3237
Dodge Avenger	45

 

i want to point out that Chevy has made strides with the new Malibu in this class.

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, regfootball said:

except for the fleeting of sign of drive leases LOL

Ohhhhhhhhh absolutely. They run with Nissan around here as the king's of easy credit for the marginally employed looking for wheels.

[regfootball]

2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

All the Crosstour ever did was take up parking space at Honda dealership.

the ugly spaces

 LOL

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, regfootball said:

i want to point out that Chevy has made strides with the new Malibu in this class.

And it is a far nicer and far better looking car than the Accord...just like the Fusion.

Just now, regfootball said:

the ugly spaces

 LOL

It came from the factory with a bag to wear over your head so no one would recognize the driver.  I have not seen one in a couple of years and I live 45 minutes from the plant in Marysville.

Actually now that I think of it the only plant involved with the Crosstour was cannibus.

[regfootball]

It's crazy you say that because I have seen a rash of Crosstours around here lately.  Of course this is SUV land and Honda land in parts.  Towards the end, Honda was whoring out the Crosstours no one would buy with sign and drive cheap leases.  Crosstours are the kind of vehicle you find at those luxury used car broker places......bunches of them they buy with 10-15k miles on them because they were 1 year demos, leases or leftovers etc.

I've been trolling for used ZDX's though.  What i once considered ugly has me intrigued.

[A Horse With No Name]

6 minutes ago, regfootball said:

It's crazy you say that because I have seen a rash of Crosstours around here lately.  Of course this is SUV land and Honda land in parts.  Towards the end, Honda was whoring out the Crosstours no one would buy with sign and drive cheap leases.  Crosstours are the kind of vehicle you find at those luxury used car broker places......bunches of them they buy with 10-15k miles on them because they were 1 year demos, leases or leftovers etc.

I've been trolling for used ZDX's though.  What i once considered ugly has me intrigued.

Yeah I never see them at all.  Strange world.

[Drew Dowdell]

They sold like 12 ZDXs

 

Back to the Accord..  Even if they don't detun the Civic Type-R engine, which I expect they will, the new 2.0T would be rated no more than 305hp and 295 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm.  Impressive enough sounding figures.  However, The only way you get that 295 lb-ft at 2500 rpm is if you're at full boost by using full throttle. It's just not going to be as responsive as the V6 even though the V6 has lower peak power.  

But don't take my word for it.. .just look at what Honda says on their own website.

The current 3.5 liter V6 runs as a 1.5 liter 3-cylinder when on a highway cruise and can get some fantastic fuel economy, where the 2.0T will always be no less than a 2.0 liter at highway cruise.  I'm just not sure where I see the fuel savings here.  Maybe some of it will come from the 10-speed if it has a taller top ratio than the CVT, but I doubt it.  I'm sure it will cruise well enough, but dig into the boost too much and you'll see fuel economy numbers below that of the V6. 

 

[Robert Hall]

I can't recall the last time I've seen a ZDX...pretty obscure.  I saw the occasional Murano CC around the Phoenix/Scottsdale area, and a few Crosstours (knew someone that owned one).   I actually like of like the looks of the Crosstour, kind of a tall Accord hatchback...another obscure crossover is the Toyota Venza..don't see those very often. 

[Drew Dowdell]

13 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

I can't recall the last time I've seen a ZDX...pretty obscure.  I saw the occasional Murano CC around the Phoenix/Scottsdale area, and a few Crosstours (knew someone that owned one).   I actually like of like the looks of the Crosstour, kind of a tall Accord hatchback...another obscure crossover is the Toyota Venza..don't see those very often. 

Lots of Venzas around here. I don't mind the shape but the face is ugly.