2018 Dodge Challenger Demon Provides Brutal Performance: Comments

[balthazar]

Also cool the video shows the Demon at my local track. Hope to run the B-59 there one day (even tho I also expect to be banned for no roll bar).

[FordCosworth]

5 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I didn't even know it had a real definition...lol

I haven't liked the new hood or the flares since pictures showed up a month or two ago. I understand they're functional and that part is awesome but they just don't look good to me. The Hellcat's hood looks perfect on that car, IMO.

Don't feel bad. Most people think RICE was reserved for Japanese cars with non function add ons. 

I'm with there. The non RICE Challenger Hellcat and its siblings look fine next to this Pep Boys Special Demon. For me, its mostly the stupid ass flares. The scoop, while still damn gaudy, can be overlooked. Those flare though....IMSA reject

 

 

  

Edited April 12, 2017 by FordCosworth

[Stew]

12 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

Don't feel bad. Most people think RICE was reserved for Japanese cars with non function add ons. 

I'm with there. The non RICE Challenger Hellcat and its siblings look fine next to this Pep Boys Special Demon. For me, its mostly the stupid ass flares. The scoop, while still damn gaudy, can be overlooked. Those flare though....IMSA reject

 

 

  

And if it was a Mustang with those flares for wider tires and the scoop for more airflow, you would be in love.  The more I see them, the more I like them and they really enhance the low and wide look. 

[FordCosworth]

3 minutes ago, Stew said:

And if it was a Mustang with those flares for wider tires and the scoop for more airflow, you would be in love.  The more I see them, the more I like them and they really enhance the low and wide look. 

No I would. I even stated the GT350R wing isn't my cup of tea.

And FYI, the R Model comes with 315's out back and NO need for IMSA leftover flares

 

 

 

 

Edited April 12, 2017 by FordCosworth

[Stew]

1 minute ago, FordCosworth said:

No I would. I even stated the GT350R wing isn't my cup of tea.

 

 

 

 

You don't like function, that is great

 

You know you love those Stangs.  Not THOSE are truly hideous......

[FordCosworth]

Yuck

[oldshurst442]

*SIGH*

Another gigantic wing on a Mustang

Yet another useless wing on a Mustang with ground effects...especially when an LX was FASTER!!!

This one is channeling its inner ricer PONTIAC TRANS AM

Complete with Trans Am engine turned dash

But the thing is....MUSCLE CARS ARE RICE!!!!

What I wanted to point out is that from 2016 to 2012 to 2001 to 1990 to 1976, the Mustang sells to the adolescent crowd because well.....MUSCLE CAR!!!

 

Scoops, air vents, racing stripes, wings....functional or not, part of the Muscle Car persona....

So...

GTFO with that SHYTE @FordCosworth

PS...I KNOW YOU LOVE THIS CAR....AS YOU SHOULD!!! ITS A BEAST!!! GREAT ENGINE!!!

BUT THAT WING, BRAH!!!

SO...I REPEAT....GTFO WITH THAT SHYTE!!!

[FordCosworth]

Thanks for the attack.

You GTFO here with that SHYTE. 

Looks are subjective. 

 

[LostinNewMexico]

5 hours ago, ccap41 said:

your point was charge times. I got that. That's a ridiculous comparison.

 

I guess it all depends on your definition of rediculous. My view of rediculous is spending 130,000+dollars on something that to be honest has a limited use. You can't honestly tell me you would take one on a road trip. What happens if you can't find a place to recharge the battery? That leaves an expensive work commuter, but your ego will get a boost when all the eggheads at the office ohhh and ahhh your high dollar tinker toy. Or, you can go to the track every weekend and show off your ludicris mode, but make sure you use care not to overheat the car or it will shut down or...

The Tesla is a great car for people with huge egos and small...

 

 

[Frisky Dingo]

Pretty badass. I figured the car would end up somewhere around the 850 mark. They'll be collectible items for sure. Sadly, that's primarily all that will buy them- collectors.

 

As for the performance, yes, the thing is stupid fast in a straight line. Don't even begin to try to make a case for this car's handling, though. Drag radials, spring rates set up for launching, undersized sway bars, lopsided weight distribution, etc. This thing is going to handle like a city bus.

If I were stupid rich, one of these would certainly find its way into my garage. In purple, please.

[oldshurst442]

13 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

Thanks for the attack.

You GTFO here with that SHYTE. 

Looks are subjective. 

 

 

Not in your case....you hold other car makers other than Ford to different standards!

The Ford Mustang is the EPITOME of RICE in the Muscle Car world!

Yet somehow, the DEMON bothers you???!!!  AND THE VETTE AS YOU DID THIS RICER TIRADE WITH THE VETTE TOO!!!

GTFO!!!

[oldshurst442]

9 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Pretty badass. I figured the car would end up somewhere around the 850 mark. They'll be collectible items for sure. Sadly, that's primarily all that will buy them- collectors.

 

As for the performance, yes, the thing is stupid fast in a straight line. Don't even begin to try to make a case for this car's handling, though. Drag radials, spring rates set up for launching, undersized sway bars, lopsided weight distribution, etc. This thing is going to handle like a city bus.

If I were stupid rich, one of these would certainly find its way into my garage. In purple, please.

@FordCosworth @FAPTurbo and everyone else that disses the Demon for whatever reason...

THIS is what REAL car guys say about the Demon....

Anything  what @FordCosworth and @FAPTurbo had to say is just pure TROLLING!!!!

It aint opinion, it aint even hatred of the machine, its just pure TROLLING!!!

May I say to you:

JUST GROW THE PHOQUE UP!!!!

LET IT BE KNOWN...BOTH ARE FROM  VANCOUVER B.C.

[ccap41]

55 minutes ago, Stew said:

You don't like function, that is great

 

You know you love those Stangs.  Not THOSE are truly hideous......

Those look so terrible...

21 minutes ago, LostinNewMexico said:

I guess it all depends on your definition of rediculous. My view of rediculous is spending 130,000+dollars on something that to be honest has a limited use. You can't honestly tell me you would take one on a road trip. What happens if you can't find a place to recharge the battery? That leaves an expensive work commuter, but your ego will get a boost when all the eggheads at the office ohhh and ahhh your high dollar tinker toy. Or, you can go to the track every weekend and show off your ludicris mode, but make sure you use care not to overheat the car or it will shut down or...

The Tesla is a great car for people with huge egos and small...

 

 

And you'd road trip the Demon?!?! 

Tesla has a service built in to find their supercharger stations. If you decide to stray that far away from them, that's your own fault. 

A drag strip special(while insane in its own way) is more of a one trick pony than a family sedan. 

[Robert Hall]

I like the Demon's looks.  Over the top muscle car.  The fender flares look great, a neat retro touch ala the Aspen/Volare Super Coupe package.   

Comparisons to the Tesla Model S are pointless; different types of cars for different buyers and different use cases. 

[FordCosworth]

28 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

@FordCosworth @FAPTurbo and everyone else that disses the Demon for whatever reason...

THIS is what REAL car guys say about the Demon....

Anything  what @FordCosworth and @FAPTurbo had to say is just pure TROLLING!!!!

It aint opinion, it aint even hatred of the machine, its just pure TROLLING!!!

May I say to you:

JUST GROW THE PHOQUE UP!!!!

LET IT BE KNOWN...BOTH ARE FROM  VANCOUVER B.C.

It is my opinion. You're the one trolling and attacking. 

Its you that needs to " grow the phoque up. ". 

[oldshurst442]

1 minute ago, FordCosworth said:

It is my opinion. You're the one trolling and attacking. 

Its you that needs to " grow the phoque up. ". 

nope.

You  a troll...always was.

Now....Ive got a hockey game to watch. Our nation's capital versus the team I actually cheer for. Its an exciting game too!!!

You are now free to troll away how the Demon and the Vette displeases you because RICE and tell us how the Mustang will outsell it...

[FordCosworth]

Bye bye

[LostinNewMexico]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Those look so terrible...

And you'd road trip the Demon?!?! 

Tesla has a service built in to find their supercharger stations. If you decide to stray that far away from them, that's your own fault. 

A drag strip special(while insane in its own way) is more of a one trick pony than a family sedan. 

No in all honesty I wouldn't want to road trip the Demon unless my options were limited, Not even sure about the Hellcat. I don't need that kind of power. but the truth is, it would be easier doing a road trip in a Demon or Hellcat than trying to plan a route that would guarantee charging station's to replenish a Tesla's battery. I think the Tesla is a fine auto but I don't have the resources to spend that kind of money for basically, a wet dream, and I doubt I would spend time at the track with one. 

As far as Tesla's charging station's, You are still limited. How many are there and are they located in high population areas of the country or are they in rural areas too? I like to wonder and...Well...That's just the way it is.

Different strokes as they say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like to get off the beaten path and travel down new areas I have never seen before. 

[Robert Hall]

As far as Challengers go, the one I'd buy is a Challenger R/T w/ the Shaker package....the dealer had one in the showroom when I bought my GC a couple weeks ago, white w/ black scoop, red and black interior, manual.  Perfect...maybe I'll get one for my midlife crisis in 3 years when I hit an age milestone...

[LostinNewMexico]

4 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

As far as Challengers go, the one I'd buy is a Challenger R/T w/ the Shaker package....the dealer had one in the showroom when I bought my GC a couple weeks ago, white w/ black scoop, red and black interior, manual.  Perfect...maybe I'll get one for my midlife crisis in 3 years when I hit an age milestone...

Shaker's are cool. I thought about trading my RT for one in B5 blue but life had other ideas.

[Robert Hall]

Of course, the Shaker Challenger was parked next to a delicious brown w/ brown interior GC Summit, but that was $20k more than I wanted to spend for a daily driver...

[LostinNewMexico]

2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

*SIGH*

Another gigantic wing on a Mustang

Yet another useless wing on a Mustang with ground effects...especially when an LX was FASTER!!!

This one is channeling its inner ricer PONTIAC TRANS AM

Complete with Trans Am engine turned dash

But the thing is....MUSCLE CARS ARE RICE!!!!

What I wanted to point out is that from 2016 to 2012 to 2001 to 1990 to 1976, the Mustang sells to the adolescent crowd because well.....MUSCLE CAR!!!

 

Scoops, air vents, racing stripes, wings....functional or not, part of the Muscle Car persona....

So...

GTFO with that SHYTE @FordCosworth

PS...I KNOW YOU LOVE THIS CAR....AS YOU SHOULD!!! ITS A BEAST!!! GREAT ENGINE!!!

BUT THAT WING, BRAH!!!

SO...I REPEAT....GTFO WITH THAT SHYTE!!!

Love those oldies Oldhurstolds. Great photos. Down the street from me there is a '68 442 convertible in blue metallic. They sure don't make them like that anymore. I still prefer vintage over new.

[Robert Hall]

10 hours ago, Stew said:

I wish some of you people that think this drives like an old musclecar that had no handling, would drive some stock old musclecars.........

Stock old musclecars aren't exactly pleasant to drive...horrific ergonomics (fixed steering wheels, seats that only go fore/aft, random control placement, etc), single outside mirrors, primitive brakes, AM radios, etc... I've had experience driving cars such as my brother's '68 Camaro SS 396 and my own '69 Mustang 351 I inherited; they are fun for the occasional spin, but far too crude and unrefined for frequent use...modern muscle cars are refined enough to use as a daily driver...

[LostinNewMexico]

20 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Stock old musclecars aren't exactly pleasant to drive...horrific ergonomics (fixed steering wheels, seats that only go fore/aft, random control placement, etc), single outside mirrors, primitive brakes, AM radios, etc... I've had experience driving cars such as my brother's '68 Camaro SS 396 and my own '69 Mustang 351 I inherited; they are fun for the occasional spin, but far too crude and unrefined for frequent use...modern muscle cars are refined enough to use as a daily driver...

I guess we all have a different view, but I love driving my '71 Challenger. I drove it cross country once and it was a blast. Yeah, not as comfy as my '09 but still fun. I don't think they are as bad as people make them out to be.

[hyperv6]

I think Motor Trend summed this up well. 

While they like the car and the numbers and who wouldn't the true is still there. 

What possesses an automaker to invest time, energy, and passion into a low-volume car for a limited customer base when there are so many ways to spend money on future products? To stand out from the pack, become a talking point, and raise awareness for a brand that had lost its way and was sliding under the radar until executives at Fiat Chrysler Automobiles decided to go big or go home.

First they unleashed the Hellcat, which put 707 horses and 650 lb-ft of torque under the hood of some large sedans that were getting long in the tooth. People took notice. Awareness spiked. Hellcat sales are low volume, but Scat Pack sales jumped from less than 1 percent to 17 percent of Challenger sales.

Dodge is doubling down with the Demon, a car with even more horsepower and torque that can drive to the track and then unleash all its power once it gets there. “Sometimes you need to ignore the data, disregard the focus groups, and build a car that can define itself,” says Dodge President Tim Kuniskis. “A lot of halos don’t have the greatest business cases.” The goal of the Demon is to be the fastest, to make everyone talk about Dodge, and to stretch the boundaries of the brand at a time when everyone is talking about emotionless, driverless pods. Kuniskis’ goal: tattoo the Dodge name into the subconscious of every performance enthusiast and draw people into the showroom where they might leave with another Dodge.

 

I agree with this fully. It should be able to do this job. But it also is a sad statement on the status of Dodge under Fiat. This is kind of like the Hail Mary Pontiac put up in the 80's to beat Olds to the death sentence. 

Basically they built a street legal Cobra Jet and COPO. While the others can be raced as they are delivered this one can't. But while the others are not street legal this one is. 

All I know is Dodge has played their last card as what else can they do remove the fenders for less weight. 

What worries me is the longer they delay bringing a new car the more risk there is for Dodge. I really think unless Fiat gets a partner who really holds an interest in these cars they may be on their way out. It is getting harder to justify sales of a large coupe like this unless it has global sales and even then will they be enough. Ford and GM are about to find out. 

And Stew I do not hate this car. It will hold a special place like the Hemi Darts in auto history. But I do really hate the tacked on fender flairs. They really should have done proper fenders or had the stock ones flared out to blend in better. Even if they were fiber glass. 

I really think we had better enjoy all these cars while we can. the future gens really show little interest and the government and others do want us in autonomous pods. I hope we can hang on as long as i drive but I think we are finally seeing the end of real V8 powered performance coupes that are easily affordable coming to an end. Sure we will have some left but they will not be cheap and they will not be plentiful. 

Sorry for the downer but that is really hanging out there. 

13 minutes ago, LostinNewMexico said:

I guess we all have a different view, but I love driving my '71 Challenger. I drove it cross country once and it was a blast. Yeah, not as comfy as my '09 but still fun. I don't think they are as bad as people make them out to be.

I have owned many of these cars. They area blast to drive and they have their own personality.

But compared to the modern day coupes they really suck at about everything but go.  While that is a negative that also is their positive charm.  Much like driving a Model T. It sucks compared to todays car but the experience is special. Even the same can be said for a 50's Vette. There is a good and bad to all of them. 

The one part I really do hate is brakes. having had a 1968 Chevelle SS with 4 wheel drum and standard brakes there were times you wondered if it was going to stop. I did add power brakes to it but the drums really suck. I could live with the no power steering but the brakes were useless even under new pads. 

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, LostinNewMexico said:

No in all honesty I wouldn't want to road trip the Demon unless my options were limited, Not even sure about the Hellcat. I don't need that kind of power. but the truth is, it would be easier doing a road trip in a Demon or Hellcat than trying to plan a route that would guarantee charging station's to replenish a Tesla's battery. I think the Tesla is a fine auto but I don't have the resources to spend that kind of money for basically, a wet dream, and I doubt I would spend time at the track with one. 

As far as Tesla's charging station's, You are still limited. How many are there and are they located in high population areas of the country or are they in rural areas too? I like to wonder and...Well...That's just the way it is.

Different strokes as they say.

 

I like to get off the beaten path and travel down new areas I have never seen before. 

Demon, no way. It will likely get the same 200ish range the Tesla gets with that power and I'm assuming a very short rear gear as well because of what it is. Hellcat, easily a good road trip car to be honest. It wouldn't be my first choice if we're getting 70k to spend on a road trip car but that's another story. 

Uhhh I heard in the past year they expanded their charging stations from like 177 to 355(or somewhere in those ball park numbers). I know they've strategically placed them to make LA to NY trips, if I'm not wrong. 

I do agree that where I live charging stations make EV not a truly viable option. If I'm buying something like that a Volt is what I'd realistically need. 

[oldshurst442]

1 hour ago, LostinNewMexico said:

Love those oldies Oldhurstolds. Great photos. Down the street from me there is a '68 442 convertible in blue metallic. They sure don't make them like that anymore. I still prefer vintage over new.

Vintage over new for me too...

But..restomodded and pro-toured for me.

When numbers matching cars are concerned....I'd leave the engine alone, only suspension and brake upgrades for safety Id do.

Clone cars is what Id resto-mod and pro-tour with LS crate engine swaps, or Coyote swaps or 6.4liter modern hemi swaps depending on the project car...

A modern Challenger would just about be the ONLY pony car/muscle car that I prefer new over vintage. But then again, a vintage 1970 Challenger Hellcat or Demon restomod sounds god to me...

Dynacorn shell body.

Hellcat crate engine.

Swartz performance chassis.

Modern suspension and brembo brake upgrades and stuff. 

Some fab work on the vintage hood to mimic modern Hellcat hood....

Yup....vintage over new!!!

[oldshurst442]

3 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

Bye bye

Hello.

Boston Bruins 2

Ottawa Senators 1

Bruins take first game.

So...has the Mustang outsold the Challenger (and the Camaro) for the month of March?

You seem to have forgotten to show us in the sales thread for March...

So....how are burnt LS7 valves doing in 2017? Yeah...your former name...

Especially when my 1.6 liter ecoboosted Fusion is about to be recalled again for possible engine fires....again...

Funny, you dont advertise fire hazard ecoboost anywhere in your sig or avatar...

Yeah...tell us again how you are not a troll?

Id leave this alone...but anytime GM or Mopar stumbles, you are there to pin point.

Anytime Ford does something good, you gloat.

Anytime GM or Mopar do something good, you try to negate.

You know me well by now. I NEVER LET these kinds of things slide!!!

Edited April 13, 2017 by oldshurst442

[oldshurst442]

15 hours ago, ykX said:

You guys must be dreaming or drunk to compare it to the Veyron.

And I really do not think GM or Ford are worried, they have already excellent all around sports cars, not a one trick pony.

This is no doubt a very cool car and I am sure collectors will snatch it, but it is only for drag strip performance, probably will be beat by Tesla, and even if it will be slightly faster doesn't make it a super car.  It is a cool classic muscle car, that will be great in straight line, that's about it.

not drunk...I did say TRICK ENGINEERING.

And yes. The engineering behind the Demon and the Veyron could be compared and contrasted.

The Demon has some serious forces it needed to tame to make it livable for day to day duties as well as the strip. Same as the Veyron.

Cooling is another factor on how VW and Mopar went about it...

How both engines are strong to withstand all that combustion...

Supercharging a V8 for one car to achieve 900 some odd horses on 100 octane or something like that while quadrupling turbos on a 16 cylinder producing 1000-1200 horsepower.

Awd on one car and rwd on the other and the one with rwd manages to plant the rear tires to out accelerate the one with more horsepower, double the cylinder count, mid-engine and 4 wheel traction...

One trick pony?

Ill give you that...

But Ill taketh away...

We criticize a car that is knowingly and unabashedl strictly made for the quarter mile drag race?

That is like criticizing a Harley Davidson chopper for not being a crotch rocket sport bike.

That is like criticizing a Hayabusa for not being a Harley cruiser.

A Demon is not a mid-engined exotic, nor does it pretend to be one.

A Challenger has NOT dreamed about changing vocations like the Mustang and Camaro did...partly because the platform wont allow it and the Challenger desperately needs a new one...but...isnt what the Demon could do performance wise a testament to what the SRT/Mopar guys could do with such an old platform?

Do we really need to be that negative towards the Demon and be all sour grapey and whine that the Ford, Chevy, Tesla boys need not worry because of other performance metrics?

At the end of the day, this is still America, the Challenger, the Mustang, Camaro and Model S are still American cars and American icons and  reaching 1320 feet in the fastest time and highest speed s still THE performance metric...and as of now, the Demon holds that record...seats or no seats...

And yes the Mustang and Camaro are great...

So is the Demon.

Could we not accept it for what it is???

Like Frisky said, I too, if I was rich beyond belief, Id own 3.

1 to be a garage queen.

1 to be daily driven.

1 to replace the daily driven one because I know Id be putting the Demon on a tree or a highway barrier because of that raw power...assuming Id survive to drive the 3rd Demon after said crash...

 

Edited April 13, 2017 by oldshurst442

[ccap41]

2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Boston Bruins 2

Ottawa Senators 1

Blues took a 1 game lead! 

[oldshurst442]

7 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Blues took a 1 game lead! 

52 saves!!!

 

[ccap41]

45 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

52 saves!!!

 

Yeah we did not play very well but Allen was a monster in net. A lot of those saves were easy, long, slow shots but 52 is still nuts.

Huge win on the road w/ OT though!

[Stew]

11 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Demon, no way. It will likely get the same 200ish range the Tesla gets with that power and I'm assuming a very short rear gear as well because of what it is. Hellcat, easily a good road trip car to be honest. It wouldn't be my first choice if we're getting 70k to spend on a road trip car but that's another story. 

Uhhh I heard in the past year they expanded their charging stations from like 177 to 355(or somewhere in those ball park numbers). I know they've strategically placed them to make LA to NY trips, if I'm not wrong. 

I do agree that where I live charging stations make EV not a truly viable option. If I'm buying something like that a Volt is what I'd realistically need. 

Remember too, as the charge drops, so does the performance.  I would not want either on a road trip really.  Give me a Grand Cherokee Trackawk, room for everything and AWD for the nasty weather along with never losing power and being able to fill-up in 5 minutes at one o the many gas stations.  Sure, you would spend quite a bit in fuel, but this will be at least 20 to 30 grand cheaper than the Tesla.  the problem with the charging stations too, is that they are located around big cities, not much on the on highway and zero within probably hundreds of miles of here.  I love the demon, great weekend vehicle, not only because it is made for pure fun, but while I would put miles on it, I do not want to destroy (or give other drivers) an opening to destroy a very rare beast indeed.  With only 3000, unless you are an early order placer for more than one, you will be lucky to even get a shot at one and if it gets destroyed.........

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, Stew said:

Remember too, as the charge drops, so does the performance.  I would not want either on a road trip really.  Give me a Grand Cherokee Trackawk, room for everything and AWD for the nasty weather along with never losing power and being able to fill-up in 5 minutes at one o the many gas stations.  Sure, you would spend quite a bit in fuel, but this will be at least 20 to 30 grand cheaper than the Tesla.  the problem with the charging stations too, is that they are located around big cities, not much on the on highway and zero within probably hundreds of miles of here.  I love the demon, great weekend vehicle, not only because it is made for pure fun, but while I would put miles on it, I do not want to destroy (or give other drivers) an opening to destroy a very rare beast indeed.  With only 3000, unless you are an early order placer for more than one, you will be lucky to even get a shot at one and if it gets destroyed.........

 

You are wrong regarding the charging stations. There are plenty and they are not just in big cites.

 

[ccap41]

23 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

Wait what???

Did I read that correctly? Someone here thinks the 1 seat Demon/Daily Driver? 

Ha!

Maybe I should drink up some of that Liberal Kool Aid and help cloud my mind...

 

 

Well, in all fairness... you can get a second seat for only $1.

[Stew]

4 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Touche'. Good point. $3 and no one had to drink this mythical kool aid. What a concept.

You are wrong regarding the charging stations. There are plenty and they are not just in big cites.

 

That is VERY sparse........   Right around my area IS blank and you are right, but they appear only on SOME major interstates at best.  There are hundreds and hundreds of miles in places where you would not across one according to this map, and that is bad given the limited range and don' forget the amount of you have to wait, especially for a full charge.  give me  gold ice ICE right now until they are doing a MUCH better job. 

[surreal1272]

Just now, Stew said:

That is VERY sparse........   Right around my area IS blank and you are right, but they appear only on SOME major interstates at best.  There are hundreds and hundreds of miles in places where you would not across one according to this map, and that is bad given the limited range and don' forget the amount of you have to wait, especially for a full charge.  give me  gold ice ICE right now until they are doing a MUCH better job. 

Sparse wasn't the issue you presented though. You said they were only in the big cities and this map shows that is not true. They are growing by the month as well so plenty more are coming. You have to start some where, after all and starting on major interstate routes is the right way to start it. 

[Stew]

 

There is a bit o truth to what I said.  they are not in the areas of smaller communities and towns, but mostly in or around big cities with some interstates and enough holes it wtill makes it impractical.

[G. David Felt]

Yes Tesla is one source but then there are plenty more charging points.

http://westcoastgreenhighway.com/

This sit sponsored and paid by the EPA shows electric nation wide of all levels.

[G. David Felt]

Back to the Demo,

It will be interesting to see how these are bought and especially how many pay back the $3 dollars for the full package?

[surreal1272]

1 minute ago, Stew said:

 

There is a bit o truth to what I said.  they are not in the areas of smaller communities and towns, but mostly in or around big cities with some interstates and enough holes it wtill makes it impractical.

As dfelt, showed below, there are thousands of other charging stations not owned by Tesla to help fill the void. 

1 minute ago, dfelt said:

Back to the Demo,

It will be interesting to see how these are bought and especially how many pay back the $3 dollars for the full package?

I have a love/hate with the Demon. I love the fact that it aopologizes for nothing. I hate that this comes off as a desperate last gasp by FCA in regards to Dodge. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's what it seems like to me. 

[ccap41]

Just now, Stew said:

That is VERY sparse........   Right around my area IS blank and you are right, but they appear only on SOME major interstates at best.  There are hundreds and hundreds of miles in places where you would not across one according to this map, and that is bad given the limited range and don' forget the amount of you have to wait, especially for a full charge.  give me  gold ice ICE right now until they are doing a MUCH better job. 

Coupla things... Yes they're sparce in areas but they've made it a point to be able to cross the country  which it appears there are a handful of ways to do that from the map. It isn't perfect but they're adding on every day and expanding their network.

According to C/D's year with their P85D the range was much lower than rated, for what it's worth. At least on the interstate only trips.

Time isn't all that bad as every couple of hours of driving getting out for 30-45 minutes to charge isn't the worst. But like C/D said, a trip that involves 2-3 stops is fine but any more than that and it gets tedious and that sounds about accurate.

[G. David Felt]

9 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I have a love/hate with the Demon. I love the fact that it aopologizes for nothing. I hate that this comes off as a desperate last gasp by FCA in regards to Dodge. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's what it seems like to me. 

I agree, I also wonder if this is the last big Hurrah before Dodge starts a slow death spiral.

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

Coupla things... Yes they're sparce in areas but they've made it a point to be able to cross the country  which it appears there are a handful of ways to do that from the map. It isn't perfect but they're adding on every day and expanding their network.

According to C/D's year with their P85D the range was much lower than rated, for what it's worth. At least on the interstate only trips.

Time isn't all that bad as every couple of hours of driving getting out for 30-45 minutes to charge isn't the worst. But like C/D said, a trip that involves 2-3 stops is fine but any more than that and it gets tedious and that sounds about accurate.

Remember it is healthy to get out of the auto and move around. So think of the charging as exercise stops for your body while charging up the auto.

[ccap41]

12 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Yes Tesla is one source but then there are plenty more charging points.

http://westcoastgreenhighway.com/

This sit sponsored and paid by the EPA shows electric nation wide of all levels.

Tesla is the only one that charges at extremely fast rates though. All of those other ones double to triple our time waiting. No bueno. Buuuuuut in my real world scenario, I wouldn't need to charge outside of my own home unless I was road tripping. I can't remember the last time I drove more than 200 miles in a single day. I think when I bought my Focus was actually the last time and that was about 95 miles in each direction but I obviously drove more than just there that day.

[Stew]

8 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

As dfelt, showed below, there are thousands of other charging stations not owned by Tesla to help fill the void. 

I have a love/hate with the Demon. I love the fact that it aopologizes for nothing. I hate that this comes off as a desperate last gasp by FCA in regards to Dodge. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's what it seems like to me. 

There are still lots of holes there that simply do not exist with ptrol.  they still have a long way to o.

 

And this is hardly a last gasp or Dodge, more like one iof he last gasps for the LX platform.  Dodge sales were actually up last month, the Journey is selling reat, the Challenger is riht there with the Camaro in sales, and the Charge is one of, if not the best selling fullsize car.  And to prove the point the new minivan should have been a Dodge, he old Caravan sold over 14k models compared to less than 10k for the Pacific.  Hint, the age of platforms don't mean $h! to companies or he average consumer, what numbers is making money, and I can guarantee you they are making money from Dodge.  i still think the brand CHrysler is short for the world......  WTF do ou hink W-bodies, Panthers, Fox bodies, etc, etc stayed on the market for so long and Ford still uses an old platform fom the late 90s for some of it's best sellers......

[ccap41]

3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Remember it is healthy to get out of the auto and move around. So think of the charging as exercise stops for your body while charging up the auto.

If I'm on an actually long road trip I just want to get there ASAP though. Healthy or not... get me to my damn destination!

Just now, Stew said:

And this is hardly a last gasp or Dodge

Ehhhhh....

1 minute ago, Stew said:

and the Charge is one of, if not the best selling fullsize car. 

In the fastest shrinking segment.

[surreal1272]

1 minute ago, Stew said:

There are still lots of holes there that simply do not exist with ptrol.  they still have a long way to o.

 

And this is hardly a last gasp or Dodge, more like one iof he last gasps for the LX platform.  Dodge sales were actually up last month, the Journey is selling reat, the Challenger is riht there with the Camaro in sales, and the Charge is one of, if not the best selling fullsize car.  And to prove the point the new minivan should have been a Dodge, he old Caravan sold over 14k models compared to less than 10k for the Pacific.  Hint, the age of platforms don't mean $h! to companies or he average consumer, what numbers is making money, and I can guarantee you they are making money from Dodge.  i still think the brand CHrysler is short for the world......  WTF do ou hink W-bodies, Panthers, Fox bodies, etc, etc stayed on the market for so long and Ford still uses an old platform fom the late 90s for some of it's best sellers......

You are clearly not looking at both maps. Most people would not have an issue with the current set up that will only grow as time passes. 

2 minutes ago, Stew said:

There are still lots of holes there that simply do not exist with ptrol.  they still have a long way to o.

 

And this is hardly a last gasp or Dodge, more like one iof he last gasps for the LX platform.  Dodge sales were actually up last month, the Journey is selling reat, the Challenger is riht there with the Camaro in sales, and the Charge is one of, if not the best selling fullsize car.  And to prove the point the new minivan should have been a Dodge, he old Caravan sold over 14k models compared to less than 10k for the Pacific.  Hint, the age of platforms don't mean $h! to companies or he average consumer, what numbers is making money, and I can guarantee you they are making money from Dodge.  i still think the brand CHrysler is short for the world......  WTF do ou hink W-bodies, Panthers, Fox bodies, etc, etc stayed on the market for so long and Ford still uses an old platform fom the late 90s for some of it's best sellers......

I love the LX cars but they are selling better becuase of an increase in fleet sales. Feel free to look that up. The other cars you mentioned, like the Panther series, stayed on that long for the same reasons why the LX continues on, fleet market. 

[Stew]

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Tesla is the only one that charges at extremely fast rates though. All of those other ones double to triple our time waiting. No bueno. Buuuuuut in my real world scenario, I wouldn't need to charge outside of my own home unless I was road tripping. I can't remember the last time I drove more than 200 miles in a single day. I think when I bought my Focus was actually the last time and that was about 95 miles in each direction but I obviously drove more than just there that day.

Same issue here, with both types of charging stations, is my area is bare.  I still prefer the piece of mind of ICE on a road trip and I have been known to spend 4 hours or more on the road before i stop and then only long enough to visit the RR and grab a bite. 

[Stew]

The Charger is the best selling CAR to law enforcement, second only to the Explorer.  That alone is enouh reason to keep it around.  hell, GM brought over the Caprice ONLY for law enforcement duty and it sold, even just to police fleets, in MUCH smaller numbers.  The new platform is coming to Dodge, they wouldn't have even been able to do Alfa if the Amortization of costs by  sharing with Dodge and Jeep.  i mean, it is done, the LX replacements are DEFINITELY coming, it has been confirmed and it has to as part of Alfa's health.  Remember, everything in the auto industry takes years and tears.  The new 18 Camry is actually the first 100% new one since 2002 and it is fine as people buy it.  People need to open up their eyes and quit attacking manufacturers for no reason to.  Just because Dodge chose a different direction with their top dog than others does NOT mean that they are dying.  It has been said many times over the years and EVERYTIME Dodge bounces back stronger than ever.  Not that they really need to bounce back because their sales are MORE than strong enough to be profitable......

[G. David Felt]

15 minutes ago, Stew said:

Same issue here, with both types of charging stations, is my area is bare.  I still prefer the piece of mind of ICE on a road trip and I have been known to spend 4 hours or more on the road before i stop and then only long enough to visit the RR and grab a bite. 

I can understand that but then there are just as many people who do not mind multiple stops and only doing a couple of 200 mile stretches a day.

The charging maps cover all 4 types of charging and yes Tesla has Extrem Fast Charging, then you have level3 or DC charging, Level 2 and Level 1 home charging.

The maps tend to cover Level 2 - 4 for the most part.

With that said, I get it that Kentucky is a bit behind much like Montana.