Honda News: Oops! Honda Accidentally Reveals the Upcoming Civic Si's Torque Figure

[William Maley]

Honda was hoping to surprise us all with the power figures of the upcoming Civic Si, but part of the surprise has been spoiled.

A member of the CivicX forum posted an email from Honda saying the Civic Si would boast 192 pound-feet of torque from a turbocharged 1.5L four. This number was confirmed by a Honda representative to Road & Track. Compared to the outgoing Si's naturally-aspirated 2.4L engine, the new engine produces 18 more pound-feet (174 vs. 192). 

We still have questions for the upcoming Civic Si. What is the horsepower rating for the Civic Si? Also, does all of the torque arrive on the low end or high end of the rpm band? We'll hopefully have answers in the near future.

Source: CivicX, Road & Track

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[G. David Felt]

Still Ugly  

Probably will have torque at the low end up to a point where you have to killer rev it to get all the HP and Torque like 10K. 

No big deal but I am sure the ricer fans will love it! 

[Frisky Dingo]

Focus ST and GTI laugh at these torque figures. They also laugh at CVT's. 

[Stew]

I like it.  the exterior is weird, but i love the interior.  I got this email like last Thursday (yes, I am signed up for updates).  I am going to guess 210 or so on the HP and it should pull pretty well from low rpm to redline.  Considering the current normal 1.5T is as quick, or quicker, than the last Si, this should be a pretty fun little drive.  i also like that it comes with a real limited slip differential.  Also, a ricer is one who does body mods on base models with no real performance upgrades, this thing is going to have a little fire in it's bell and be fun to drive.  That said, I am certainly wishing VW does a next gen bug on the MQB platform.  Not holding my breath, but that with a 2.0T and GTi tuning would be my next vehicle. 

[Frisky Dingo]

On 3/28/2017 at 8:16 AM, Stew said:

I like it.  the exterior is weird, but i love the interior.  I got this email like last Thursday (yes, I am signed up for updates).  I am going to guess 210 or so on the HP and it should pull pretty well from low rpm to redline.  Considering the current normal 1.5T is as quick, or quicker, than the last Si, this should be a pretty fun little drive.  i also like that it comes with a real limited slip differential.  Also, a ricer is one who does body mods on base models with no real performance upgrades, this thing is going to have a little fire in it's bell and be fun to drive.  That said, I am certainly wishing VW does a next gen bug on the MQB platform.  Not holding my breath, but that with a 2.0T and GTi tuning would be my next vehicle. 

VW needs to make the Beetle RWD and rear-engined again!! A mini-911.

[Stew]

19 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

VW needs to make the Beetle RWD and rear-engined again!! A mini-911.

RWD AWD or me haha.  Love that idea, make it a real Halo car for VW.  I just wonder what could with the styling?  i think the current model has the perfect Beetle vibe and even has real good room inside for it's small size. 

[Guest AsianPersuasion]

This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

[Frisky Dingo]

1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasion said:

This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

 

That's good, because you'll have to rev it out to keep sight of the GTI gapping you in the next lane. 

Edited April 4, 2017 by Frisky Dingo

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasion said:

This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

Just enjoy watching the taillights of American and German auto's while you rev your tin fart can engine.

[Drew Dowdell]

A Turbo 4 should still have the torque low in the RPM band.  Even my weak 1.4T gets all of its 138 ft-lb at around 1700 rpm.... but that's all the torque you ever get.   If the Civic 1.5T gets it's peak torque anywhere near that, it should feel plenty fast. 

[ccap41]

IMO, torque is important in every car that is intended to be a daily driver.

[Drew Dowdell]

It didn't hit me till tonight why I'm so "meh" about this car. A 1996 Eagle Talon, a car a mere 5 years away from being eligible for classic plates,  had 210 HP and 220 lb-ft of torque with only half a liter more displacement. 

It also could come with AWD and was lighter

This is progress?

For a more modern perspective, the Verano Turbo or Cobalt SS blow away the Civic SI on power for about the same price.

I guess I just expected something more special.

[oldshurst442]

4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It didn't hit me till tonight why I'm so "meh" about this car. A 1996 Eagle Talon, a car a mere 5 years away from being eligible for classic plates,  had 210 HP and 220 lb-ft of torque with only half a liter more displacement. 

It also could come with AWD and was lighter

This is progress?

For a more modern perspective, the Verano Turbo or Cobalt SS blow away the Civic SI on power for about the same price.

I guess I just expected something more special.

I never ever thought of that. About the Eagle Talon...

I refrained from commenting because I really had no idea what opinion to have about this latest Civic. Now, thanx to your insight, I have my opinion.

Yeah...Im not into this car.

[FAPTurbo]

On 4/4/2017 at 7:30 AM, Frisky Dingo said:

 

That's good, because you'll have to rev it out to keep sight of the GTI gapping you in the next lane. 

the only thing a GTI gaps is its owner's wallet...

at least the honda has a comfy interior to haul stranded vee dub drivers to the nearest tow depot. 

[Frisky Dingo]

On 4/6/2017 at 8:52 PM, FAPTurbo said:

the only thing a GTI gaps is its owner's wallet...

at least the honda has a comfy interior to haul stranded vee dub drivers to the nearest tow depot. 

Lol, the MK7's interior shames anything with a Honda badge on it. I think you missed the boat on your reliability joke by about a decade, too. 

[ykX]

16 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Lol, the MK7's interior shames anything with a Honda badge on it. I think you missed the boat on your reliability joke by about a decade, too. 

While this Si does nothing to me and I admit that GTI most likely will be a much better car, VW reliability still sucks.  My coworker just last year had to pay $3k to replace turbo on his Jetta, car had less then 100k miles.

[ccap41]

No question I would risk German reliability over the Si.

[Frisky Dingo]

3 hours ago, ykX said:

While this Si does nothing to me and I admit that GTI most likely will be a much better car, VW reliability still sucks.  My coworker just last year had to pay $3k to replace turbo on his Jetta, car had less then 100k miles.

So?? You know how many Ford EcoBoosts, Hyundai turbo-4's, and GM Ecotec's I've seen that need a new turbo?? Tons. You could literally say this about just about ANY brand that makes turbocharged engines.

[ykX]

@Frisky Dingo  You can argue as much as you want but there is a reason why VW put 6 years/72k miles warranty on their new crossovers.  Even Hyundai/Kia has smaller warranty now.  I doubt VW would do it if they had people's trust in their product.

Edited April 13, 2017 by ykX

[Frisky Dingo]

4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

No question I would risk German reliability over the Si.

Clarify?

[ccap41]

3 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Clarify?

I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

[Frisky Dingo]

5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

[ccap41]

28 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

Even if it is average German parts cost more and its more difficult finding a place to work on them.

Edited April 13, 2017 by ccap41

[G. David Felt]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

 

54 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

JD Powers Listing interesting comparison of 2017 to 2016 list.

2017

2016

 

Top three models per segment (in order of fewest issues)

Small car

Chevrolet Sonic
Nissan Versa

Compact car

Toyota Prius
Buick Verano (tie)
Honda Civic (tie)

Compact Premium Car

Lexus ES
Mercedes-Benz C-Class
Acura ILX

Midsize Car

Toyota Camry
Chevrolet Malibu
Hyundai Sonata

Midsize Sporty Car

Chevrolet Camaro
Ford Mustang

Midsize Premium Car

Lexus GS
Mercedes-Benz E-Class
Audi A7

Large Car

Toyota Avalon
Buick LaCrosse
Kia Cadenza

Small SUV

Volkswagen Tiguan
Buick Encore
Hyundai Tucson

Compact MPV

Toyuta Prius V
Kia Soul

Compact SUV

Toyota FJ Cruiser
Chevrolet Equinox
GMC Terrain

Compact Premium SUV

Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class
Acura RDX
Volvo XC60

Midsize Pickup

Honda Ridgeline
Nissan Frontier

Midsize SUV

Toyota Venza
Ford Edge (tie)
Honda Pilot (tie)

Midsize Premium SUV

Lexus RX
Lexus GX
Porsche Cayenne

Minivan

Toyota Sienna
Chrysler Town & Country
Dodge Grand Caravan

Large SUV

Chevrolet Tahoe
GMC Yukon

Large Light Duty Pickup

Ford F-150
Toyota Tundra
Chevrolet Silverado (tie)
Ram 1500 (tie)

Large Heavy Duty Pickup

Chevrolet Silverado HD
GMC Sierra HD
Ford Super Duty