Sales: Sales Figure Ticker: November 2016

[William Maley]

Maserati North America, Inc. - Up 27.3% (1,380 Vehicles Sold This Month, 10.838 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Volkswagen of America - Up 24.24% (29,672 Vehicles Sold This Month, 285,719 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Porsche Cars North America, Inc. - Up 23.9% (5,513 Vehicles Sold This Month, 50,265 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Kia Motors America - Up 15.3% (52,504 Vehicles Sold This Month, 593,245 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Volvo Cars of North America, LLC - Up 11.9% (7,723 Vehicles Sold This Month, 72,595 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Subaru of America, Inc. - Up 11.4% (51,308 Vehicles Sold This Month, 551,955 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
General Motors Co. - Up 10.2% (252,644 Vehicles Sold This Month, 2,723,667 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Nissan North America - Up 7.5% (115,136 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,411,680 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
American Honda Motor Co. - Up 6.5% (122,924 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,477,465 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Ford Motor Company - Up 5.1% (199,441 Vehicles Sold This Month, 2,361,426 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Toyota Motor Sales - Up 4.3% (197,645 Vehicles Sold This Month, 2,206,359 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Hyundai Motor America - Up 4.2% (62,507 Vehicles Sold This Month, 712,700 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Audi of America - Up 2.5% (17,118 Vehicles Sold This Month, 187,018 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Mitsubishi Motors North America - Up 1.8% (6,896 Vehicles Sold This Month, 88,884 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Mercedes-Benz USA - 0% (33,490 Vehicles Sold This Month, 343,695 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Mazda North American Operations - Down 3% (22,041 Vehicles Sold This Month, 269,019 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
FCA US LLC - Down 14% (160,827 Vehicles Sold This Month, 2,051,796 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
BMW Group U.S. - Down 15.8% (30,696 Vehicles Sold This Month, 327,711 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)


Jaguar Land Rover North America - 

Brands:
Acura - Down 5.1% (11,616 Vehicles Sold This Month, 144,212 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Alfa Romeo - Down 32% (23 Vehicles Sold This Month, 464 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Audi - Up 2.5% (17,118 Vehicles Sold This Month, 187,018 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
BMW - Down 18.2% (26,189 Vehicles Sold This Month, 280,339 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Buick - Up 16.1% (18,530 Vehicles Sold This Month, 208,343 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Cadillac - Up 14.5% (15,326 Vehicles Sold This Month, 148,560 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Chevrolet - Up 8.1% (169,675 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,883,551 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Chrysler - Down 47% (14,518 Vehicles Sold This Month, 215,196 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Dodge - Down 21% (34,075 Vehicles Sold This Month, 470,529 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Fiat - Down 15% (2,415 Vehicles Sold This Month, 30,136 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Ford - Up 4.5% (187,012 Vehicles Sold This Month, 2,262,493 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Genesis - N/A (1,306 Vehicles Sold This Month, 5,215 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
GMC - Up 14.1% (49,113 Vehicles Sold This Month, 483,213 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Honda - Up 7.9% (111,308 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,333,253 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Hyundai - Up 2% (61,201 Vehicles Sold This Month, 707,485 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Infiniti - Up 3.6% (12,112 Vehicles Sold This Month, 120,095 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Jaguar - 
Jeep - Down 12% (67,285 Vehicles Sold This Month, 843,217 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Kia - Up 15.3% (52,504 Vehicles Sold This Month, 593,245 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Land Rover - 
Lexus - Down 1% (29,050 Vehicles Sold This Month, 290,046 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Lincoln - Up 19.1% (9,429 Vehicles Sold This Month, 98,933 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Maserati - Up 27.3% (1,380 Vehicles Sold This Month, 10.838 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Mazda - Down 3% (22,041 Vehicles Sold This Month, 269,019 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Mercedes-Benz - Up 1.1% (30,363 Vehicles Sold This Month, 308,226 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Mercedes-Benz Vans - Down 7.4% (2,564 Vehicles Sold This Month, 30,444 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
MINI - Up 1.4% (4,507 Vehicles Sold This Month, 47,372 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Mitsubishi - Up 1.8% (6,896 Vehicles Sold This Month, 88,884 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Nissan - Up 8% (103,024 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,291,585 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Porsche - Up 23.9% (5,513 Vehicles Sold This Month, 50,265 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Ram Trucks - Up 12% (42,511 Vehicles Sold This Month, 492,254 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
smart - Down 15% (563 Vehicles Sold This Month, 5,025 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Subaru - Up 11.4% (51,308 Vehicles Sold This Month, 551,955 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Toyota - Up 5.3% (168,595 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,916,313 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Volkswagen - Up 24.24% (29,672 Vehicles Sold This Month, 285,719 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)
Volvo - Up 11.9% (7,723 Vehicles Sold This Month, 72,595 Vehicles Sold So Far This Year)

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[ccap41]

Wow, Look at those GM numbers!

[A Horse With No Name]

11 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Wow, Look at those GM numbers!

Yes, and Lincoln is doing very well also....Glad to see both Cadillac and Lincoln doing well.

FCA is sucking wind though...

[smk4565]

Chrysler - Down 47%
Dodge - Down 21% 
Fiat - Down 15%

I am shocked by these results.  

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, smk4565 said:

Chrysler - Down 47%
Dodge - Down 21% 
Fiat - Down 15%

I am shocked by these results.  

It is to be expected, for various reasons.

[ccap41]

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Yes, and Lincoln is doing very well also....Glad to see both Cadillac and Lincoln doing well.

FCA is sucking wind though...

FCA blows, to me. They just don't make anything I would even consider right now. The Hellcats are suuuuper gnarly and all but that's about it. Everything seems old or the new stuff seems too Fiat. The new Alfa sedan looks beautiful but I doubt there is an Alfa dealership within 100 miles of me. Probably more like 250-300 miles north, around Chicago.

Okay, check that. I'd consider a Grand Cherokee and the new Compass? Patriot? Whichever one was just shown off.

[smk4565]

FCA should do an Alfa Romeo version of the Pacifica with a 3.0 V6 turbo to boost sales.  The problem FCA has is not enough Alfas, they only sold 23 cars, that tells me they should spend every last dollar they have to make about 10 new products for Alfa Romeo.

[FordCosworth]

26 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

FCA blows, to me. They just don't make anything I would even consider right now. The Hellcats are suuuuper gnarly and all but that's about it. Everything seems old or the new stuff seems too Fiat. The new Alfa sedan looks beautiful but I doubt there is an Alfa dealership within 100 miles of me. Probably more like 250-300 miles north, around Chicago.

Okay, check that. I'd consider a Grand Cherokee and the new Compass? Patriot? Whichever one was just shown off.

I've noticed since FCA was busted for fudging Sales Totals, theyve been sucking it up...

This company is circling the drain.

[G. David Felt]

22 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

FCA should do an Alfa Romeo version of the Pacifica with a 3.0 V6 turbo to boost sales.  The problem FCA has is not enough Alfas, they only sold 23 cars, that tells me they should spend every last dollar they have to make about 10 new products for Alfa Romeo.

The sales just prove that Alfa should have been left in the history books, the money stolen from the US units should have gone back into those divisions products. ALFA and FIAT will be the death of FCA.

[A Horse With No Name]

44 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

FCA blows, to me. They just don't make anything I would even consider right now. The Hellcats are suuuuper gnarly and all but that's about it. Everything seems old or the new stuff seems too Fiat. The new Alfa sedan looks beautiful but I doubt there is an Alfa dealership within 100 miles of me. Probably more like 250-300 miles north, around Chicago.

Okay, check that. I'd consider a Grand Cherokee and the new Compass? Patriot? Whichever one was just shown off.

I like the Renegade, but I cannot kid myself into actually thinking I would drop coin for one.

GT350 R would wildly Trump a hellcat....by like a hundred to one or better for me....so in real world terms...nahh.....would rather have a plain Shelby than a hellcat, actually.

Used Charger R/T my 23 year old son and I looked at a little while back, 25 grand, decent miles....but car did not feel well put together.

There is a reason Charger is one of the fastest depreciating passenger cars sold in North America.

Alfa sedan is nice to look at, and would be great if you were in Italy where people actually understood the car.  As it is, destined to be a repair and depreciation magnet.  They sell in stupidly small numbers also.

15 minutes ago, dfelt said:

The sales just prove that Alfa should have been left in the history books, the money stolen from the US units should have gone back into those divisions products. ALFA and FIAT will be the death of FCA.

Quoted for truth.

20 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

I've noticed since FCA was busted for fudging Sales Totals, theyve been sucking it up...

This company is circling the drain.

The difference between FCA and a turd though is that a turd can be composted for useful fertilizer.

I guess FCA will provide industrial tooling in the secondhand market when they implode, so the analogy isn't too far off...

41 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

FCA should do an Alfa Romeo version of the Pacifica with a 3.0 V6 turbo to boost sales.  The problem FCA has is not enough Alfas, they only sold 23 cars, that tells me they should spend every last dollar they have to make about 10 new products for Alfa Romeo.

This thing needs a sarcasm button....

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I like the Renegade, but I cannot kid myself into actually thinking I would drop coin for one.

GT350 R would wildly Trump a hellcat....by like a hundred to one or better for me....so in real world terms...nahh.....would rather have a plain Shelby than a hellcat, actually.

Used Charger R/T my 23 year old son and I looked at a little while back, 25 grand, decent miles....but car did not feel well put together.

There is a reason Charger is one of the fastest depreciating passenger cars sold in North America.

Alfa sedan is nice to look at, and would be great if you were in Italy where people actually understood the car.  As it is, destined to be a repair and depreciation magnet.  They sell in stupidly small numbers also.

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+1 to everything you posted. And throw the ZL1 in with the Shelby and Hellcat and I'd easily take that as well. I'd likely take a Chevy SS over a Charger Hellcat too.

[A Horse With No Name]

8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

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+1 to everything you posted. And throw the ZL1 in with the Shelby and Hellcat and I'd easily take that as well. I'd likely take a Chevy SS over a Charger Hellcat too.

The SS is an interesting exercise in less is more.  A hellcat might be fun at getting attention at a local car show....but pulling up next to a greasy spoon cafe in rural Kansas with the SS and ahving people slowly realize what it is would be loads more fun.

Plus the SS in every detail feels so much more like a real car, right down to the difference in the click the seat belt makes when you latch it. 

Chevy, more than any other mainstream car maker, has its act together IMHO.  Not that I am dissing Ford....I love the efforts Ford is making.  Fiesta has a ton of options and packages, and is an attractive little car.  Focus is dated, but still really competitive in a wildly tough segment.  Mustang is in some ways the best Mustang they have built to date, and given the number of cool stangs they have done over the years, that is saying something.

The Aston Martinish styling on the Fusion is aging very well IMHO, and will still look good ten years from now.

And my ##$%%  ## $%^ the trucks are wonderful from Ford also...who would have thought we would have a product like the Raptor?

Very sorry in a way that the Chrysler/Plymouth?dodge that I loved as a kid is not longer with us....it started going away in the early 1970's and in some ways hasn't been back since.

The K car might have saved them, but it isn't exactly a bright moment in American automotive history!

Edited December 1, 2016 by A Horse With No Name

[Frisky Dingo]

Look at VW. So much for the notion that they weren't  long for this market, or should be replaced with a different brand. Golf Sportwagen sales were up over 200%.

Also, good for GM.

[A Horse With No Name]

40 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Look at VW. So much for the notion that they weren't  long for this market, or should be replaced with a different brand. Golf Sportwagen sales were up over 200%.

Also, good for GM.

The Alltrack looks like a nice replacement for my Jetta at some point, indeed...

[Frisky Dingo]

These sales increases are being bolstered by models that aren't even new. Aside from the Alltrak, the rest of their line is carry over. And in fact, some of their trims have been culled, creating less options.

These numbers will continue to grow in the coming months as the Atlas comes out, the new Tiguan hits our shores, and the CC is replaced. Passat and Jetta aren't terribly far from replacing either. Throw in the EV models they are working on, and possibly even a truck in the coming years, and it is more than possible they can rebound from Dieselgate and continue to be successful and grow in the future. They just have to take the right steps. It is not a time for them to be timid.

[A Horse With No Name]

4 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

These sales increases are being bolstered by models that aren't even new. Aside from the Alltrak, the rest of their line is carry over. And in fact, some of their trims have been culled, creating less options.

These numbers will continue to grow in the coming months as the Atlas comes out, the new Tiguan hits our shores, and the CC is replaced. Passat and Jetta aren't terribly far from replacing either. Throw in the EV models they are working on, and possibly even a truck in the coming years, and it is more than possible they can rebound from Dieselgate and continue to be successful and grow in the future. They just have to take the right steps. It is not a time for them to be timid.

Exactly right on the not timid part....

[daves87rs]

Well, there will be deals all over FCA....

 

Good to see more positive numbers this month....

[Cmicasa the Great]

On 12/2/2016 at 11:28 AM, Frisky Dingo said:

Look at VW. So much for the notion that they weren't  long for this market, or should be replaced with a different brand. Golf Sportwagen sales were up over 200%.

Also, good for GM.

I personally never thought that VW was doomed in this market...  just hoped they were going out of business.  Them and every other foreign company.  But never doubt the stupidity of the American people.  Dumb asses somehow elected Trump thinking that a Billionaire actually gave a shit about their finances 

[A Horse With No Name]

19 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

I personally never thought that VW was doomed in this market...  just hoped they were going out of business.  Them and every other foreign company.  But never doubt the stupidity of the American people.  Dumb asses somehow elected Trump thinking that a Billionaire actually gave a shit about their finances 

On the contrary, we need robust competition in the automotive market to have each car maker bring us their best.  Right now Lexus, Acura, BMW and the like are a bit on the defensive IMHO in terms of product in the luxury market.

I need them to bring better product so GM improves our current lineup even further....Adam Smith got a few things right...