2017 Chevrolet Colorado Looks To Give Toyota's Tacoma TRD Pro A Run For the Money: Comments

[hyperv6]

2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

Beyond towing and putting really heavy things in the bed, please tell me what puts this truck at a disadvantage. Not everyone tows or hauls. Those people couldn't care less about payload specs. Hell, most people who buy full-size trucks don't come anywhere near their capabiliites, either.

I get what he is saying. The real trail people like many of our customers they buy older trucks and build them to their needs. They beat on them, fix them and run them again.

We get the Raptor guys and few are willing to take a new one and beat on them the way they were designed to new. Most of tese owners are buying trim parts and wheels but no real tail parts or winches to get them out when they get stuck like say a guy with a built old F250.

I am sure there are some but most people buying these are like the ZR1 guys who never have done any track time.

If this one gets too expensive it will be papered more than run hard till they get a few years on them.

Now when I say customers I mean the kind of people that do Moab and such not the cow pasture. My customers break parts  and dent bodies vehicle and passenger. LOL!

[A Horse With No Name]

6 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

I think you are correct.

The Gas Z71 fully loaded up can be found up to $47-48K sticker price easy.

I expect this truck to be starting at $49K and going up from there. The shocks alone are a major price not counting the larger wheel base items, locking diffs and added content that is not available on the other trucks.

This is the Z/28 of the Colorado. I have warned many that this will be a $50K plus truck easy if they did what I thought they would do and they even exceeded it in all areas but the engine. I had hoped for a little more V6 power.

Nice truck but nothing I would pay over $50K for. Maybe if they discount them like they did the old Z/28 models it would make a killer deal. I do not expect that though.

There is obviously a market for products like these, local Chevrolet dealers seem to have no shortage of Z28 and other specialty models on hand.

Would rather actually own this than a lot of the specialty passenger cars GM and others build. this product has a ton of appeal. 

[ccap41]

4 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

local Chevrolet dealers seem to have no shortage of Z28 and other specialty models on hand.

That isn't a good thing.. They've been out of production for like 2 years at this point.. Weren't they only 2014's?

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, ccap41 said:

That isn't a good thing.. They've been out of production for like 2 years at this point.. Weren't they only 2014's?

Let me re phrase that....local Chevrolet dealers seem to sell a lot of specialty stock.

I was insinuating the market is ripe for a product like this.

Sorry that I was as clear as mud.

[hyperv6]

Just now, A Horse With No Name said:

There is obviously a market for products like these, local Chevrolet dealers seem to have no shortage of Z28 and other specialty models on hand.

Would rather actually own this than a lot of the specialty passenger cars GM and others build. this product has a ton of appeal. 

Well last year they had to discount the Z/28 even as good as it was to move the old models. they were a hell of a buy at $50K.

There is a market but there may be limits too. But if the waters are not tested here in the mid size segment you will never know.

The fact this is not just another decal and paint package is nice and the fact they used really good hardware is great now lets hope it does not run off potential buyers to a larger truck model.

3 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Let me re phrase that....local Chevrolet dealers seem to sell a lot of specialty stock.

I was insinuating the market is ripe for a product like this.

Sorry that I was as clear as mud.

keep in mind the Camaro was a slow mover till they put incentives on the SS and now it is doing much better. I think they found their limits.

the fact is all vehicles are over priced today and some will hit a wall at some point the question is where just is that wall that will stop people from buying. Once you get to a certain point there are many other models to consider over a Chevy or even a Ford. At least in trucks the offerings are slimmer than the cars.

[Stew]

IMHO, you have to look at the base Z71 with a V6 which is roughly 32k.  I in all reality believe this will start at 42-45k.  Some sources are saying 40k, but I believe that is a bit low.  The Z28 was FAR more than the shocks.  The weight loss, the full suspension, lighter wheels, the brakes, aero add-ons, the hand built LS7 was a MAJOR part of the Z28s price.  In reality you cannot guage the price of this by the Z28 and you don't just tack on the price of the new stuff, but remove the price of whatever is being removed. 

[Frisky Dingo]

This truck won't start anywhere near 50K. That's an absurd suggestion.

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Let me re phrase that....local Chevrolet dealers seem to sell a lot of specialty stock.

I was insinuating the market is ripe for a product like this.

Sorry that I was as clear as mud.

lol all good brother

[hyperv6]

1 hour ago, Frisky Dingo said:

This truck won't start anywhere near 50K. That's an absurd suggestion.

Want to make a wager?

Price a Z71 with a Diesel LT2 and just see how much it can go with out the fancy shocks, locking diffs and all the special body parts.

I am looking to buy a Colorado or Canyon and my prices are coming up over $45K 

Now keep in mind when I say starting price that is a package that will have many things standard as you will not be able to buy this model less all the LT2 parts. The ZR2 will just take the Z71 LT2 package to the next level.

You just need to price the shocks and you would not have posted what you just did.

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, Frisky Dingo said:

This truck won't start anywhere near 50K. That's an absurd suggestion.

Just looking at where a Z71 can go with the 2.8 I don't think it is near as absurd as you think it is. All new body panels and these PRICEY shocks on all four corners along with the 4WD system.. makes things escalate pretty quickly. 

[Stew]

The diesel isn't the only engine option.  The standard 3.6 will come in at least a few grand cheaper. than a diesel PLUS with he V6 you aren't required to get the crewcab, but can get the standard extended cab.  Also, it simple isn't going to c0ome fully loaded, no other off-road package does.  They will not make it more expensive than the TRD Pro either, which also has trick shocks. 

[Stew]

v6 Z71, which is the top level Colorado BTW, starts at under 34k for he 4x4/v6.  This includes the Z71 suspension, touch screen, power seat, locking rear, off-road tires, etc, etc, etc.  With the differences I honestly do not see this being more than 8-10 rand more dear. 

 

you can't use the Trail boss package as a comparable either since it includes mostly design stuff like the roll bar, spray in bedliner, fender flares, and the of-road assist steps. 

[Frisky Dingo]

I repeat, this truck will not start- with an Ext Cab and 3.6 V6- ANYWHERE NEAR 50K. THAT IS AN ABSURD SUGGESTION.

 

I foresee the Crew 3.6 starting around 46K, and change maybe. The Ext Cab will be a good 2K less. I think that is worst-case.

[ccap41]

2 hours ago, Stew said:

you can't use the Trail boss package as a comparable either since it includes mostly design stuff like the roll bar, spray in bedliner, fender flares, and the of-road assist steps. 

Why can't you? Yes it's 99% cosmetic but think if the additional costs ON TOP of making the cosmetic changes like real shocks and body work. 

[Frisky Dingo]

@ccap41-

You're close to me, want to put bar tabs  on it?  

[Suaviloquent]

Hmmm, I'm not sure, but I am going with a gut feeling that $47.5k to $55k is the ballpark of this vehicle.

 

I also think these will sell at a premium at the dealer. 

[Stew]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Why can't you? Yes it's 99% cosmetic but think if the additional costs ON TOP of making the cosmetic changes like real shocks and body work. 

Because the ZR2 does not have the roll bar, the LEDS, the side steps, the bed liner, etc, etc so you can't simply stack on top of the trailers because they are 2 totally different packages.

[daves87rs]

14 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

Base mdl ZR2 with no option has a payload off 1100lbs ( my old 2001 Ranger SC had a payload of just over 1500lbs and 5600lbs tow rating ) and tow rating of 5000lbs....Add crew Cab and options and both those plummet.

Yikes.

Pretty sure no one plans to tow with this thing anyways....

 

Still....

[G. David Felt]

8 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Pretty sure no one plans to tow with this thing anyways....

 

Still....

Gonna have to disagree with you Daves. I see trucks like this towing plenty in Washington state. People use these types of trucks to launch their boats, pull their trailers with snowmobiles and especially pulling RV trailers to the pass when they go for the weekend to ski.

Yes they then unhook and drive them off-road too, but these trucks still need to keep a proper payload for the bed and and trailering amount to be valid. 

If all the person wants is a Baha racer / off-road toy, then fine, but hauling and trailering should not be lost for a truck like this.

I agree with you I still do  too!

[Stew]

7 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Gonna have to disagree with you Daves. I see trucks like this towing plenty in Washington state. People use these types of trucks to launch their boats, pull their trailers with snowmobiles and especially pulling RV trailers to the pass when they go for the weekend to ski.

Yes they then unhook and drive them off-road too, but these trucks still need to keep a proper payload for the bed and and trailering amount to be valid. 

If all the person wants is a Baha racer / off-road toy, then fine, but hauling and trailering should not be lost for a truck like this.

I agree with you I still do  too!

It is a matter of suspension and ground clearance.  These trucks have to be sprung softer to handle the rigors of driving quickly over unpaved surfaces.  This is why the payload on the Raptor depending on cab is slightly worse or only slightly better in the payload department.  Towing on the supercab Raptor is only 500 more pounds than the ZR2 as well. 

[ccap41]

12 hours ago, Stew said:

Because the ZR2 does not have the roll bar, the LEDS, the side steps, the bed liner, etc, etc so you can't simply stack on top of the trailers because they are 2 totally different packages.

That's all cheap crap compared to the ZR2. COMPLETELY different packages, you are correct. But the fun, good pieces on the ZR that make it as badass as it will be are the pricey bits.

[Stew]

Just now, ccap41 said:

That's all cheap crap compared to the ZR2. COMPLETELY different packages, you are correct. But the fun, good pieces on the ZR that make it as badass as it will be are the pricey bits.

True and considering you can get a Z71 Trailboss 4x4 V6 for just under 40 grand, I still stand by my roughly 45k starting price

[ccap41]

12 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

@ccap41-

You're close to me, want to put bar tabs  on it?  

Uh oh... lol That's actually a good wager

In all fairness, I have been talking about the crew cab with the 2.8 this whole time. Which, I realize isn't the base trim(I didn't realize until I looked back at the article that it is offered with the regular extended cab) so those two alone are about 6-7k? So from my 48ish-k price one could cut 6-7k from that for the smaller cab and 3.6.

Man, that Duramax is awesome but holy balls as a 4k option it's pricey.

6 minutes ago, Stew said:

True and considering you can get a Z71 Trailboss 4x4 V6 for just under 40 grand, I still stand by my roughly 45k starting price

I just built a 4x4, extended cab, Z71 with the 3.6 and it was just a tad over 40k. $40,690. I don't know how it could be built less than that.

45k starting sounds about right for the 3.6. This whole time I had the Duramax stuck in my head as if that was the only option for some reason.

[Stew]

19 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Uh oh... lol That's actually a good wager

In all fairness, I have been talking about the crew cab with the 2.8 this whole time. Which, I realize isn't the base trim(I didn't realize until I looked back at the article that it is offered with the regular extended cab) so those two alone are about 6-7k? So from my 48ish-k price one could cut 6-7k from that for the smaller cab and 3.6.

Man, that Duramax is awesome but holy balls as a 4k option it's pricey.

I just built a 4x4, extended cab, Z71 with the 3.6 and it was just a tad over 40k. $40,690. I don't know how it could be built less than that.

45k starting sounds about right for the 3.6. This whole time I had the Duramax stuck in my head as if that was the only option for some reason.

You are right, i thought i had added more options when i built it to get over 46k, but turns out the only thing I added above that was that bednet.  usually when i price out i am adding bedliners, bed covers and such haha.  Really the only things i would want on a base Z71 from the trail boss is the sport bar and LED lights and the more aggressive tires.  i would MUCH rather have rock rails than sidesteps. 

[ccap41]

Alright.. I'm stupid.. What are rock rails?

Yeah I usually add in at least a bed liner of some sort. They're pretty necessary if you want to take care of your baby and still use it as a truck.

[Stew]

Metal strips that go under the rockers to protect them.  They provide the protection without the bulky steps that can decrease ground clearance and scrape all over the place.  Also known as rock sliders. 

Edited November 17, 2016 by Stew
Trying to get a photo of rock rails to post

[ccap41]

Ohhhh Okay, that makes sense! It's like a bed liner for the rocker panels. I could see those saving some big bucks if you go over something that you misjudged the clearance on.

[Stew]

29 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Ohhhh Okay, that makes sense! It's like a bed liner for the rocker panels. I could see those saving some big bucks if you go over something that you misjudged the clearance on.

I have scraped the sidesteps and the tow hitch on the Dakota more than a few times haha.   If i ever get to do what I REALLY want to with the 4x4 Dakota.........

[G. David Felt]

24 minutes ago, Stew said:

I have scraped the sidesteps and the tow hitch on the Dakota more than a few times haha.   If i ever get to do what I REALLY want to with the 4x4 Dakota.........

Lift it baby Lift it!

[Stew]

13 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Lift it baby Lift it!

A 2 inch lift kit and bigger tires are an integral part of the equation

[Cory Wolfe]

Regarding price, my biggest question would be how much the shocks alone add to the sticker. They are of the same variety of those found on the Z/28 and that car commanded a pretty penny. Granted, there was a lot more to go into it than just shocks, but I have to wonder.

[ccap41]

Just reading more because this truck will be a monster.

"Before we discuss these magic shocks let’s run down the roster of supporting hardware mods on this package, which is available in extended cab and crew-cab configurations with the 3.6-liter V-6 or the 2.8-liter turbodiesel four. The four-mode AutoTrac 4WD system (RWD, 4 auto, 4Hi, 4Lo) is upgraded to include Eaton electronically locking differentials on both axles. The rear can be locked in all four of the above modes, the front can only be locked in 4Lo after the rear axle is locked, bringing to nine the number of driveline modes available. Hill descent control is offered, and an off-road mode button invokes one of 30 different maps for tailoring the throttle response, shift strategy, and the ABS, traction and stability control systems to suit whatever conditions confront a ZR2."

"Other functional improvements on the 2017 Colorado ZR2 include a suspension lift of 2.0 inches, a widening of the track by 3.5 inches, a swap to sturdier cast-iron lower front control arms, and fitment of 8.0 x 17-inch wheels wrapped in 31-inch Goodyear Duratrac off-road tires that afford exceptional traction. And to improve suspension articulation, the 1.5-inch diameter hollow front anti-roll bar is replaced by a softer 1.0-inch solid one. "

"Now for those magic shocks. Shock absorbers work by plunging a piston through a tube filled with oil, and forcing the oil to flow through some sort of holes or channels that regulate how fast it can move. Usually these holes are in the piston, with flow through them being controlled by a series of metal discs that deflect as oil passes through them. Tuning these discs to provide precisely the right flow rate is a hugely time consuming pain in the posterior, and normal production tolerances can result in variation from the ideal flow rates of up to 15 percent.

Racing teams could never tolerate such inconsistency so in 2001 Multimatic Inc. of Markham, Ontario developed the Dynamic Suspensions Spool Valve and soon after Newman/Haas Racing teams using Multimatic DSSV dampers began winning Champ Car titles. Instead of deflecting discs, oil presses against another precision-machined spring-loaded piston or “spool” that moves inside a thin sleeve into which little ports are laser cut to extremely precise tolerances in a temperature-controlled environment. The shape of these ports is computer designed to regulate oil flow rates as the piston moves exposing more of the ports."

"The Colorado ZR2’s duty cycle could not be more different, but the beauty of DSSV shocks is you can shape those orifices to deliver any force/displacement curve you like for any duty cycle. In this application, two DSSV valves like the ones in the Z/28 are relocated to a chamber next to the main shock tube. As the piston moves through the typical stroke experienced in on-road driving, it forces oil to flow out of that tube through a ring of orifices and into this chamber with the spool valves. More extreme suspension inputs of the type that typically only happen off road cause the piston to move past these orifices, at which point the oil is forced through a third jounce-control spool valve that’s located in the piston. This one is tuned more like a Baja racer’s shock. A third chamber contains the volume of nitrogen gas that accounts for the volume of the piston rod that plunges in and out of the space where the oil otherwise lives. Moving both the spool valves and this nitrogen charge out of the main tube allows for more suspension travel within the same shock absorber packaging space."

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-chevrolet-colorado-zr2-first-ride-review/

[Frisky Dingo]

8 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Alright.. I'm stupid.. What are rock rails?

Yeah I usually add in at least a bed liner of some sort. They're pretty necessary if you want to take care of your baby and still use it as a truck.

 

They're just small rails that primarily protect the the rocker  panel  from damage. They may have steps incorporated into them.

[hyperv6]

The Shocks for the Z/28 are around $2,000. I have seen take offs going for $1500 on E bay. 

The Tires are big money for the type and size 31". The locking diffs and other added traction hardware is a pretty penny. Then add a Diesel then it adds even more. 

Now keep in mind when I say it will start at $49K that means it pretty much comes loaded up with most options from the start. There will be a few add on parts but this is going to be a pretty complete package. 

My point is there will be no standard low dollar LS package offered with this model or standard cab etc. 

Now I would love to see a ZR2 2WD like package like some of the other companies have done. Do a lifted 2wd with larger tires and wheels with a lower price.  This would give you the ZR2 looks and a cheaper package.  Along add a Lowered ZQ8 package with the wider body panels.  These two models would leverage out the tooling even more.

The bottom line is I know how much it would cost to convert a truck like this with cheaper parts and it ain't cheap either. GM is not going to lose money  here and low ball the price to where the Z71 is so start adding to the price for the privilege to own one. 

 

[daves87rs]

14 hours ago, dfelt said:

Gonna have to disagree with you Daves. I see trucks like this towing plenty in Washington state. People use these types of trucks to launch their boats, pull their trailers with snowmobiles and especially pulling RV trailers to the pass when they go for the weekend to ski.

Yes they then unhook and drive them off-road too, but these trucks still need to keep a proper payload for the bed and and trailering amount to be valid. 

If all the person wants is a Baha racer / off-road toy, then fine, but hauling and trailering should not be lost for a truck like this.

I agree with you I still do  too!

I guess I could agree with that...as I can see people puling their weekend toys with them. I'm guessing my thinking is that I would use it for off roading and camping..makes for a fun weekend!

[ccap41]

3 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

The Shocks for the Z/28 are around $2,000. I have seen take offs going for $1500 on E bay. 

The Tires are big money for the type and size 31". The locking diffs and other added traction hardware is a pretty penny. Then add a Diesel then it adds even more. 

Now keep in mind when I say it will start at $49K that means it pretty much comes loaded up with most options from the start. There will be a few add on parts but this is going to be a pretty complete package. 

My point is there will be no standard low dollar LS package offered with this model or standard cab etc. 

Now I would love to see a ZR2 2WD like package like some of the other companies have done. Do a lifted 2wd with larger tires and wheels with a lower price.  This would give you the ZR2 looks and a cheaper package.  Along add a Lowered ZQ8 package with the wider body panels.  These two models would leverage out the tooling even more.

The bottom line is I know how much it would cost to convert a truck like this with cheaper parts and it ain't cheap either. GM is not going to lose money  here and low ball the price to where the Z71 is so start adding to the price for the privilege to own one. 

 

Yeah when I was thinking 48k I was thinking only if the diesel and crew cab. Eliminate those two options and it would be more like 43k. So those are my two numbers. 

Single cab, 3.6 = 43k

crew cab. 2.8 = 48k

[Stew]

13 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Yeah when I was thinking 48k I was thinking only if the diesel and crew cab. Eliminate those two options and it would be more like 43k. So those are my two numbers. 

Single cab, 3.6 = 43k

crew cab. 2.8 = 48k

So, we have technically been around the same page the whole time haha.  the extended cab/V6 is my preference anyway lol. 

[ccap41]

Yeah, Not sure why I even forgot extended cab 3.6 was an option the whole time. I think the car mag's sites of advertising an off road diesel stuck in my head.

Edited November 18, 2016 by ccap41

[Frisky Dingo]

These tires aren't THAT expensive. I had 33"s on my 4Runner and they were just over $1,100 mounted and balanced. 

[G. David Felt]

11 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

These tires aren't THAT expensive. I had 33"s on my 4Runner and they were just over $1,100 mounted and balanced. 

Agreed, I have BF Goodrich on my suburban and all 4 came in around the same price as you mention.

[hyperv6]

On 11/17/2016 at 11:51 PM, ccap41 said:

Yeah when I was thinking 48k I was thinking only if the diesel and crew cab. Eliminate those two options and it would be more like 43k. So those are my two numbers. 

Single cab, 3.6 = 43k

crew cab. 2.8 = 48k

A gas Z71 crew long bed Crew can go loaded up at $48K sticker as that is what the dealer gave me to drive. No Diesel so it could go even higher. It did have I think the Midnight package with the cheesy roll car on it. 

[Suaviloquent]

I think the Taco and Lorado are going to be much closer in real world driving in off-road ability, but the diesel will be a nice package for a comparison, but one that pushes the price to places never seen before in the midsize pickup realm.

 

I wonder if Mercedes brought the X-Class here, how much would it cost all loaded up? $70K? If this reaches $55k, then that would actually be something fun to see.