Cadillac News: 2017 Cadillac CT6 PHEV To Begin At $76,090*

[William Maley]

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Despite being introduced a year ago at the Shanghai Auto Show, Cadillac has been somewhat quiet on the CT6 PHEV for the U.S. But today, Cadillac has been spilling out some new information on their new hybrid sedan.

First, we know now when the CT6 PHEV will go on sale and for how much. The model will go on sale next spring with a base price of $76,090 - includes a $995 destination charge. Cadillac says the PHEV will be offered as its own unique package within the CT6 lineup and feature an equipment list similar to the Premium trim. 

We have also learned how far the CT6 PHEV can travel on EV power alone - about 30 miles.

The CT6 PHEV uses a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder and two electric motors to deliver a total output of 335 horsepower and 432 pound-feet of torque. That torque figure is higher than the 3.0L Twin-Turbo V6 (400 pound-feet). 

Source: Cadillac
Press Release is on Page 2

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2017 Cadillac CT6 Plug-In Hybrid on sale in spring 2017, offering an estimated 400-plus miles of total range

• Expected rating of 65 MPGe
• Exhilarating performance: 0-60 mph in 5.2 seconds

NEW YORK – Cadillac today announced the first-ever 2017 CT6 Plug-In Hybrid prestige sedan will go on sale in the spring of 2017, with a total driving range of more than 400 miles.

Advanced plug-in hybrid technology enables the luxury sedan to reward drivers with environmentally conscious driving without compromising on performance. The CT6 Plug-In Hybrid system is designed to provide responsive, all-electric driving for most daily commutes, while maximizing fuel efficiency by providing blended power from the engine and battery at higher speeds and higher loads.

All-electric range for the CT6 Plug-In Hybrid is an estimated 30 miles. However, the car’s combination of efficient engine and battery power enables drivers the freedom of more than 400 miles of total driving range, with no requirement to find charging stations along the way. Thanks to the advanced propulsion system, the CT6 Plug-In Hybrid removes all range anxiety for our customers.

“The CT6 is a technological showcase throughout, and by far the lightest car in its class, making it an ideal platform for electrification,” said Cadillac President Johan de Nysschen. “In the CT6, Cadillac presents a new formula for prestige luxury. The advanced Plug-In Hybrid system is a key addition, providing a combination of exceptional fuel economy, crisp acceleration and strong electric-driving range.”

Cadillac’s prestige plug-in hybrid entry achieves the same zero to 60 mph performance as its V6-powered competitors, while achieving roughly twice the full EV range and MPGe figures.

The CT6 Plug-In Hybrid is expected to have fuel economy estimated at 65 MPGe. Miles per gallon equivalence – MPGe – compares energy consumption of plug-in electric vehicles and other advanced technology vehicles with the fuel economy of conventional internal combustion vehicles in miles per U.S. gallon.

The CT6 Plug-In Hybrid combines an all-new rear wheel drive electric variable transmission to provide the smooth, powerful acceleration expected from a driver’s car. The two-motor EVT system combines with the 2.0-liter turbocharged four- cylinder gas engine to produce an estimated total system power of 335 hp (250 kW) and 432 lb-ft (586 Nm) of torque. This helps propel the vehicle from a zero to 60 mph in an estimated 5.2 seconds.

Each electric motor produces 100 hp (74.5 kW) of power. On electric power only, the car is capable of approximately 30 miles of driving range and a top speed of 78 mph, with the additional power of the engine adding hundreds of miles of total range and a top speed of 150 mph on a track.

The CT6 Plug-In Hybrid launches in North America in the spring of 2017, starting in the U.S. at $75,095 plus a $995 destination freight charge before any applicable electric vehicle tax incentives. In the U.S. market, the CT6 Plug-In Hybrid will be offered as its own unique package within the CT6 product line, with pricing and equipment comparable to the existing Premium Luxury model (second highest within in the model range). The Plug-In model includes numerous optional equipment as standard, such as a Rear Seat Infotainment system, Enhanced Night Vision and Rear Camera mirror.

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[A Horse With No Name]

Gotta love the CT6...and this variant of it!.

[smk4565]

The specs are good, I think the price is a bit steep.  By making this the most expensive engine option, you can pretty much guarantee that it will be the least popular engine option.  I always thought they should price this on par with the turbo V6 which is about $68,000 to start.

[G. David Felt]

Sweet ride, I think for those in the wealthy level wanting to make a green statement, this car should do well. I also wonder if the pricing is due to Cadillac wanting to keep this car more focused in China? 

After all, if the BOLT does as well as I suspect it will, I could see Cadillac having a full blown EV sedan to compete against Tesla in a year or two.

[A Horse With No Name]

Assuming Tesla survives not being able to sell pollution credits.  More like Cadillac taking over Tesla's market share.

[smk4565]

Takes a while to get an electric car built from scratch basically.  The Bolt isn't going to compete with Tesla.  A Cadillac sedan Tesla fighter would have to have performance above the CTS-V, that isn't something they would just draw up in a year or two.  Probably more like a 4 year plan.

[Cmicasa the Great]

5.2secs to 60 sounds a lot like what the overly expensive Effboy S-Class Hybrid gets for a sweet amount less. The Cadillac apparently will go further by about 15 miles over the S550e. Looking at the moron driving the Kraut-Car in the "rear-mirror-cam" as it continues to cruise on EV. Go Cadillac.. I love America.. and to those who love Germany, especially Mercedes.. they can go EFF-Boy themselves 

[oldshurst442]

I love America.

I love Cadillac.

But in this territory of EV performance of speed and range solely on electric power at this price level, Id rather just skip the Standard of the Old World and go with the New Standard of this Modern World and go with the other American car maker named not by the founder of Detroit, but by the name of an inventor that discovered the rotating magnetic field which is the basis for the modern alternating current electricity supply system. TESLA is that car company name and the vehicle in question is the Model S. P60, P100. It dont matter....it trounces the CT6....

Not in luxury you say?

I say luxury is a state of mind...in 2016, luxury is not what it used to be either....is what Id tell you...

[A Horse With No Name]

19 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I love America.

I love Cadillac.

But in this territory of EV performance of speed and range solely on electric power at this price level, Id rather just skip the Standard of the Old World and go with the New Standard of this Modern World and go with the other American car maker named not by the founder of Detroit, but by the name of an inventor that discovered the rotating magnetic field which is the basis for the modern alternating current electricity supply system. TESLA is that car company name and the vehicle in question is the Model S. P60, P100. It dont matter....it trounces the CT6....

Not in luxury you say?

I say luxury is a state of mind...in 2016, luxury is not what it used to be either....is what Id tell you...

The problem is that Tesla will loose their income from selling pollution credits when the administration changes. Cadillac is much better positioned.

38 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

5.2secs to 60 sounds a lot like what the overly expensive Effboy S-Class Hybrid gets for a sweet amount less. The Cadillac apparently will go further by about 15 miles over the S550e. Looking at the moron driving the Kraut-Car in the "rear-mirror-cam" as it continues to cruise on EV. Go Cadillac.. I love America.. and to those who love Germany, especially Mercedes.. they can go EFF-Boy themselves 

The Cadillac is also drop dead gorgeous.

[smk4565]

2 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

5.2secs to 60 sounds a lot like what the overly expensive Effboy S-Class Hybrid gets for a sweet amount less. The Cadillac apparently will go further by about 15 miles over the S550e. Looking at the moron driving the Kraut-Car in the "rear-mirror-cam" as it continues to cruise on EV. Go Cadillac.. I love America.. and to those who love Germany, especially Mercedes.. they can go EFF-Boy themselves 

Same 0-60 as the S550e, similar MPGe of 65 vs 63.  The S550e is the cheapest and slowest S-class though, the S550e is $20k more than the CT6 plug in because it is a class higher of car.  CT6 isn't really an S-class competitor, it is E-class prices.

[G. David Felt]

I would love a P100D in a Cadillac skin. The performance with the sexy lines of Cadillac would be killer!  

[Cmicasa the Great]

11 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I love America.

I love Cadillac.

But in this territory of EV performance of speed and range solely on electric power at this price level, Id rather just skip the Standard of the Old World and go with the New Standard of this Modern World and go with the other American car maker named not by the founder of Detroit, but by the name of an inventor that discovered the rotating magnetic field which is the basis for the modern alternating current electricity supply system. TESLA is that car company name and the vehicle in question is the Model S. P60, P100. It dont matter....it trounces the CT6....

Not in luxury you say?

I say luxury is a state of mind...in 2016, luxury is not what it used to be either....is what Id tell you...

 

 

Because 0-60 times are what matters in the WHOLE of luxury.  My reason for pointing out the 5.2 secs was to show that this car is no slouch in acceleration.. nor is it a compromise in get from a to b. The Tesla P100D is faster surely.. but its range is literally infinitely less than the CT6 (or S550e) for that matter if for no other reason than simply because the infrastructure needed for QUICK recharging is not here yet. And when I say quick I mean 5.5 minutes like when I pull into an Exxon and fill-up after my battery depleted and gas tank drained. Not to mention the Tesla' 315 mile range is not the 400+ range of the CT6 or S-550e. 

 

As for luxury STATE OF MIND.. I still say the luxury amenities of the Tesla brand are no more luxo than those of my Impala LTZ. And I might even say the Impala is a slightly above it. OH... I will give Tesla points for coming to my house when the car completely dies or burns up... Oh wait!!! Is that really a luxury. Hope it wasn't in the garage.

 

And why are we even comparing the Tesla Model S to the CT6 Hybrid or S550e? Its smaller, about the size of my V, its an all E car, its only luxury because of the price and the idiot buyers Musk duped into buying  as such.. and its tired as shit to look at

11 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

The problem is that Tesla will loose their income from selling pollution credits when the administration changes. Cadillac is much better positioned.

The Cadillac is also drop dead gorgeous.

Yes.. Yes. The Benz is also. The S-Class.. Truly the only Benz I'd give that credit to at this point.. especially if its the COUPE

6 hours ago, dfelt said:

I would love a P100D in a Cadillac skin. The performance with the sexy lines of Cadillac would be killer!  

Definitely. But I'd prefer that GM/Cadillac really stick to the Voltec way, increasing range of the EV portion to about 100 until the infrastructure of Charging stations is on par with that of the Gas stations. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

9 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Same 0-60 as the S550e, similar MPGe of 65 vs 63.  The S550e is the cheapest and slowest S-class though, the S550e is $20k more than the CT6 plug in because it is a class higher of car.  CT6 isn't really an S-class competitor, it is E-class prices.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes U feel better. This car is the real deal. JDN and co undersold it as it does not have about 5% of the S-Class attributes, namely a V8. The fear that should be your German loving mind is that if this car.. the CT6 is only 95% of what the S-Class is.. WTF is the CT7 or 8 gonna be. 

[A Horse With No Name]

7 hours ago, dfelt said:

I would love a P100D in a Cadillac skin. The performance with the sexy lines of Cadillac would be killer!  

That thought is so strong on the automotive porn meter I may have trouble today...thinking about that....what a distraction from work!

Probably a bad thing as I may be working with a torch and doing some brazing....if I burn my damned fingers I am blaming you for the distraction, Sir!

13 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Keep telling yourself that if it makes U feel better. This car is the real deal. JDN and co undersold it as it does not have about 5% of the S-Class attributes, namely a V8. The fear that should be your German loving mind is that if this car.. the CT6 is only 95% of what the S-Class is.. WTF is the CT7 or 8 gonna be. 

Competition is good, if nothing else Cadillac really bringing it will keep Benz on their toes and making even better S class cars.

SMK is right about some of the attributes of Benz cars, but he looses all credibility for his blind partisanship.

[A Horse With No Name]

O and Cmicassa....went out to dinner with my wife....waiter had a Cadillac tattoo similar to yours on his forearm. Young guy, HUGE GM and Cadillac fan....

I know it wasn't you but....your Ohio twin did a damned good job of keeping my glass full....!

And yes, the Tesla is really only about as nice as the Impala.  Actually, the Impala is nicer than the Tesla in many ways.  Plus, Musk has the misfortune of not only a recent divorce but he will loose pollution credits with the new administration, which is the only thing keeping him afloat financially.

GM is in an excellent position to build electric luxury cars, be they Hybrid or full electric, and turn one hell of a profit.

Those ATP's you were telling Wings about are for real...and unlike the Asians Cadillac has some unique designs at the top of their lineup....and unlike the European luxury cars Cadillac hold up after they are out of warranty.

Was reading on one of my other Forums about someone who bought a Porsche and had ten grand plus in differed maintenance when they bought it....you most likely would not have that with a Vette or a Cadillac....

[oldshurst442]

48 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Because 0-60 times are what matters in the WHOLE of luxury.  My reason for pointing out the 5.2 secs was to show that this car is no slouch in acceleration.. nor is it a compromise in get from a to b. The Tesla P100D is faster surely.. but its range is literally infinitely less than the CT6 (or S550e) for that matter if for no other reason than simply because the infrastructure needed for QUICK recharging is not here yet. And when I say quick I mean 5.5 minutes like when I pull into an Exxon and fill-up after my battery depleted and gas tank drained. Not to mention the Tesla' 315 mile range is not the 400+ range of the CT6 or S-550e. 

 

As for luxury STATE OF MIND.. I still say the luxury amenities of the Tesla brand are no more luxo than those of my Impala LTZ. And I might even say the Impala is a slightly above it. OH... I will give Tesla points for coming to my house when the car completely dies or burns up... Oh wait!!! Is that really a luxury. Hope it wasn't in the garage.

 

And why are we even comparing the Tesla Model S to the CT6 Hybrid or S550e? Its smaller, about the size of my V, its an all E car, its only luxury because of the price and the idiot buyers Musk duped into buying  as such.. and its tired as $h! to look at

You mentioned 0-60 times....but failed to mention 315 mile range...

Dude...that kind of range, you will NEVER be stranded looking for a charge station...

Living in Montreal, that range takes me to Boston...on the outskirts of...without stopping..

I went to Niagara Falls this summer with the family. With my TL. A heck of a shorter trip. I stopped 3 times going there and 3 times coming back...you know....for snacks and bathroom breaks...I surely found charging stations that I could have plugged my EV into...15 minutes there, half an hour here....

Next!

About luxury...

EXACTLY....

The Impala LTZ is good enough for me too!

Honestly, I dont feel too good about dumping 100 thousand units of American or Canadian legal tenders on a depreciating asset...Id rather do so much more with said legal tenders...

However, if getting off of oil COMPLETELY is my meal ticket, then I could forgo a little bit of the so called fine leathers of a Cadillac and drive something more modern in terms of powertrain. State of the Art stuff is also part of the luxury equation and a Tesla motor is as State of the Art as it gets...

Besides, I got other material stuff in life that wraps me up in soft and cuddly expensive materials...

Luxury is how you wanna perceive it and indulge in it...hence its a state of mind...

Nice chatting with you none the less...

[A Horse With No Name]

Range is critical....but the electric car is coming regardless of weather we want to see it or not.

Luxury is a state of mind indeed!

[Cmicasa the Great]

4 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

O and Cmicassa....went out to dinner with my wife....waiter had a Cadillac tattoo similar to yours on his forearm. Young guy, HUGE GM and Cadillac fan....

I know it wasn't you but....your Ohio twin did a damned good job of keeping my glass full....!

And yes, the Tesla is really only about as nice as the Impala.  Actually, the Impala is nicer than the Tesla in many ways.  Plus, Musk has the misfortune of not only a recent divorce but he will loose pollution credits with the new administration, which is the only thing keeping him afloat financially.

GM is in an excellent position to build electric luxury cars, be they Hybrid or full electric, and turn one hell of a profit.

Those ATP's you were telling Wings about are for real...and unlike the Asians Cadillac has some unique designs at the top of their lineup....and unlike the European luxury cars Cadillac hold up after they are out of warranty.

Was reading on one of my other Forums about someone who bought a Porsche and had ten grand plus in differed maintenance when they bought it....you most likely would not have that with a Vette or a Cadillac....

Again.. I agree with all of this. U and I my friend think alike. BTW.. even tho it wasn't me at the restaurant if U ever hung with me U'd kno.. I always keep everyone's glass full.. full of Bourbon.. Woodford Reserve of Jameson Black 

[A Horse With No Name]

3 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Again.. I agree with all of this. U and I my friend think alike. BTW.. even tho it wasn't me at the restaurant if U ever hung with me U'd kno.. I always keep everyone's glass full.. full of Bourbon.. Woodford Reserve of Jameson Black 

Drink the best and drive the best. The meaning and purpose of life is to enjoy the passage of time....and what better way to enjoy the passage of time than a Jameson Black after a long cruise in a Cadillac?

[oldshurst442]

Im a Metaxa 7 star Brandy kinda guy myself. There are 12 star Metaxas and special reserves too. But hey...who are we kidding? That kinda nomenclature is just noise to make someone feel special...

But you are right about cruisin' in a real Cadillac though. And I hope to God that a CT6 is a real Cadillac.

[A Horse With No Name]

4 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Im a Metaxa 7 star Brandy kinda guy myself. There are 12 star Metaxas and special reserves too. But hey...who are we kidding? That kinda nomenclature is just noise to make someone feel special...

But you are right about cruisin' in a real Cadillac though. And I hope to God that a CT6 is a real Cadillac.

Methinks you would be very happy with one....

[ccap41]

19 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Assuming Tesla survives not being able to sell pollution credits.  More like Cadillac taking over Tesla's market share.

As long as FCA is around they will be able to sell pollution credits.

[A Horse With No Name]

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

As long as FCA is around they will be able to sell pollution credits.

Depends on how current political changes affect the EPA.

[FordCosworth]

18 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

As long as FCA is around they will be able to sell pollution credits.

FCA also scored emission credits from Toyota and Honda.

In total FCA bought 8.2 million megagrams of them for 2014 ( 2015 tallies come out in a month or so ).

 

[A Horse With No Name]

9 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

FCA also scored emission credits from Toyota and Honda.

In total FCA bought 8.2 million megagrams of them for 2014 ( 2015 tallies come out in a month or so ).

 

Which will be an enormous loss of revenue for Tesla if the law changes.

[ccap41]

I don't see why something like that would be completely dissolved and fuel economy wouldn't matter all of a sudden.

[Suaviloquent]

The CT6 has built no name for itself yet. 

 

The Model S is entrenched as one of the few vehicles considered state-of-the-art at any price.

 

Putting CT6 and Model S in the same league does the Tesla the disservice. As for luxury amenities, the Cadillac CT6 has it's own shortcomings. How the interior is flinty and cheap. How the Panarray system is more Bose hype compared to anything else in the same price range. And how the ride in unbecoming of a large car. It's a sports sedan, a dying kind of car if look around these days.

 

5% difference from S-Class. HAHAHAHA. The S-Class has pedigree in unattainable by a CT6. Only a mighty Ciel or Elmiraj could do that, but with the Escala concept showing the Audi A7 look being the future of Cadillac, there's not much originality except again, the neat engineering. But it's never the thing people see first. Appearances matter. The CT6 is new for Cadillac, but otherwise stale in ways just like it's supposed competition.

The S-Class and Model S...hehe, both "S" cars can be mentioned together as at the top of the $100k+ sedan group.

The CT6 has interesting, truly interesting engineering here, but why have this, when in 2 years they'll have a Tesla competitor anyways?

If this is truly China first thinking, then Cadillac still doesn't get it. China is leagues ahead of America in the supporting infrastructure for electric autos, buses and mass transit. They don't need this. They need an EV. And probably not a flagship sedan one, but rather an EV crossover. So that guy named, Uwe - their marketing chief, he's gonna eat his own words pretty soon.

[smk4565]

Agreed with that, the S-class runs in the $200,000+ range, the bare bones model is $98 grand.  It is in the upper echelon where Cadillac, Lexus and even Audi are not.

[A Horse With No Name]

10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Agreed with that, the S-class runs in the $200,000+ range, the bare bones model is $98 grand.  It is in the upper echelon where Cadillac, Lexus and even Audi are not.

Mercedes is so far ahead of everyone else in the Luxury car game it isn't even funny in some ways.

They build unique products like the G wagon and the AMG stuff.  They lead in sales in the US in every Luxury segment from entry level to top level.

They are infinitely better looking than the dowdy products from the likes of Lincoln and Infinity.

They are thought of as a true luxury brand.

At the same time, without competition they will sit on their asses and not move forward.

Can you imagine Cadillac as a luxury brand if it had no competition?

"built on a W body platform, we are proud to announce the 2.8 (the same miserable 2.8 that cursed the S-10 for so many years) powered Cadillac Deville will have significant improvements for the 2017 model year. We will be moving from a three speed automatic to a four speed automatic, and the cassette player has improved functions to eliminate hiss. Our manually adjustable front bucket seat has two additional positions for the seat back to recline, bringing the total number of seat back adjustments to 5. Passenger side adjustment positions will remain limited to two."

"We are also proud to announce one new grey and one new silver for 2107, the first new colors for Cadillac since our limited run of 500 Green cars back in 2012."

"Other notable features include standard passenger side mirror, day/nite rear view mirror inside the cabin and a richer shade of Onyx black for the Vinyl Upholstery."

"Cloth was discontinued as an option for 2007 but we will be making a limited run of 750 cars with cloth seats alter in the year."

"Exciting accessories include a cargo mat for the trunk, an accessory watch with the Cadillac logo, and exclusive Cadillac insignia mud flaps, for the rear wheels only."

The sad thing is this would still probably be a better luxury car than the elenvty billion Lincoln Town cars and Continentals built between the very early 1970's and very recently, all of which are currently still on the road simultaneously circling Miami with the left run signal on. 

Add to that the horribly feminine and uninteresting,not to mention just plain hideous, Lexus SUV's of every era, that define the apogee of Pokemon on Meth styling ethic that has destroyed the Japanese auto industry visually as of late. 

Please also fail to remember the awkwardly styled, overly feminine, and just plain bland products of Infinity, the less said here the better. 

Consider also the self destructing cars of BMW that eat gaskets, radiators, water pumps, bearings, electrical components, audio systems, airbags, seat belt tensioners, emissions components, chassis and suspension  parts, window seals, body control modules, shift linkages, small children, puppies, and metric crap tons of cash.

It would also probably be better in some ways than Audi, who build fantastic cars in some ways but suffer from a parent company with corporate ethics somewhere between slightly worse than the mafia or slightly better than a virus, depending on the weather and the day of the week.

In this context, the current Buick Regal suffers from being merely bland, outdated and uninteresting. Not to mention being one of the highest trade in rates after one year...

Volvo will shift production to china, they build some interesting cars but I really try not to buy Chinese products. They also are not a real luxury brand IMHO. Nothing says Dentist From Omaha with a 20 year celibacy streak quite like Volvo.

All of this is enough to make a mid 70's Olds 98 look like a true luxury car.  Mercury from the 1970's survives, we just call it Lincoln now.

The 300 is a decent enough car but it is fitting that Chrysler pretty much has died off other than one passenger car product.  They built beautiful cars until the early 1970's and then imploded with the rest of the American automotive industry.  Sometimes remembering what was is better than trying to keep something alive into the present.

 

Edited November 17, 2016 by A Horse With No Name

[A Horse With No Name]

....all of that in consideration, the current Cadillac lineup is pretty competitive and interesting. .

[A Horse With No Name]

12 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

The CT6 has built no name for itself yet. 

 

The Model S is entrenched as one of the few vehicles considered state-of-the-art at any price.

 

If this is truly China first thinking, then Cadillac still doesn't get it. China is leagues ahead of America in the supporting infrastructure for electric autos, buses and mass transit. They don't need this. They need an EV. And probably not a flagship sedan one, but rather an EV crossover. So that guy named, Uwe - their marketing chief, he's gonna eat his own words pretty soon.

#1. Tesla is irrelevant as the parent company will probably implode financially. Owning one is an astonishingly risky scenario IMHO as owning a car with that much technology with no remaining factory OEM support is the walking definition of living nightmare.

#2. China will pull ahead of the USA in many ways other than electric cars.  It is one of the great ironies of history to me that the twentieth century really could have, should have, and would have been the German century but became the American century instead.

The twenty first Century could have, should have, and would have been another American Century, but will be the Chinese Century instead.

#3. this will IMHO have an impact on Luxury cars when cars like the CT6 and Continental are built for Chinese tastes rather than American expectations.

#4. This will not affect cars like the S class as much because Mercedes already leads in the world luxury market. Sweden, South Africa, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Senegal, Singapore, Slovenia, Sint Maartin, South Korea, Switzerland, Spain, Serbia Seychelles....go to any of the above and Mercedes will be a top Luxury brand with the wealthy and important.

[A Horse With No Name]

#5. Pick any other letter, be it Q for Qater or N for Norway and you will find Mercedes on top there also.

#6. The CT6 may not have name recognition, but dammit it is time that America starts fighting back. There are elements of both the CT6 and Continental that I seriously dislike, but it is about God Damn time we start to re assert our self a bit as a world leader.  I give serious, serious chops to Ford and GM for this. I may be politically angry at the country and Hate both Trump and Clinton, but as I said elsewhere Washington is not the center of the universe, even if they think they are.

#7. If my fellow C and G members could resolve ourselves to fight back and never surrender...regardless of politics...that would be good!

#8. Given both of my above posts, I would like to say that this is not the time for complacency. I work at a university and also volunteer as an adjunct coaching collegiate debate. Coaching also involves judging other universities at tournaments.  One of the students I was judging argued that it was time for America to abdicate its position as leader of the world. Probably the saddest thing I have ever heard in a round...

Bringing it back to the CT6....let's remember to fight back and not be complacent. No politics here but there is a very real way in which the world needs us as a leader....kind of exciting to have us fighting to lead....

Edited November 17, 2016 by A Horse With No Name

[oldshurst442]

7 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

#1. Tesla is irrelevant as the parent company will probably implode financially. Owning one is an astonishingly risky scenario IMHO as owning a car with that much technology with no remaining factory OEM support is the walking definition of living nightmare.

#2. China will pull ahead of the USA in many ways other than electric cars.  It is one of the great ironies of history to me that the twentieth century really could have, should have, and would have been the German century but became the American century instead.

The twenty first Century could have, should have, and would have been another American Century, but will be the Chinese Century instead.

#3. this will IMHO have an impact on Luxury cars when cars like the CT6 and Continental are built for Chinese tastes rather than American expectations.

#4. This will not affect cars like the S class as much because Mercedes already leads in the world luxury market. Sweden, South Africa, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Senegal, Singapore, Slovenia, Sint Maartin, South Korea, Switzerland, Spain, Serbia Seychelles....go to any of the above and Mercedes will be a top Luxury brand with the wealthy and important.

Points #2, #3, and #4. I agree 100%

 

Point #1. The bolded point.

That is assuming Tesla will fold. I really don't think Tesla will fold.

There are several reasons why I don't think Tesla will fold.

But then again, those reasons are just as much speculation as some think Tesla will fold...

1. Tesla is near completion of battery super factory. Battery cost will come down enabling Tesla not only to produce current models cheaper and actually yield better profit margins, but help with future engineering endeavors and platforms...

2. Batteries will be sold to other car makers making Tesla more money...

3. Some say Musk is already getting bored with car production, it don't matter, another CEO could take over...and a better one tjhan Musk himself at that...

It really is a  wait and see kinda scenario at this point...

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Points #2, #3, and #4. I agree 100%

 

Point #1. The bolded point.

That is assuming Tesla will fold. I really don't think Tesla will fold.

There are several reasons why I don't think Tesla will fold.

But then again, those reasons are just as much speculation as some think Tesla will fold...

1. Tesla is near completion of battery super factory. Battery cost will come down enabling Tesla not only to produce current models cheaper and actually yield better profit margins, but help with future engineering endeavors and platforms...

2. Batteries will be sold to other car makers making Tesla more money...

3. Some say Musk is already getting bored with car production, it don't matter, another CEO could take over...and a better one tjhan Musk himself at that...

It really is a  wait and see kinda scenario at this point...

I really think Musk talking about Mars is kind of a pivot because his cash flow situation is not good.

Musk needs to turn over the automotive side of the business to someone with more actual experience building cars.

It would be excellent if they stayed in business.  Once initial demand dies down and they can keep up with production, I would love a model 3.

[Suaviloquent]

Tesla is too valuable of a brand to die. 

And if other posters make Tesla an issue in this thread, then don't TELL ME IT'S IRRELEVANT. 

Even if the company goes south, there will be plenty of suitors looking to cash in on an impressive dowry.

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, Suaviloquent said:

Tesla is too valuable of a brand to die. 

And if other posters make Tesla an issue in this thread, then don't TELL ME IT'S IRRELEVANT. 

Even if the company goes south, there will be plenty of suitors looking to cash in on an impressive dowry.

I really, really hope you are right!

I think it also depends on how much debt and legal liability they acquire before such an incident.

[smk4565]

9 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

 

Can you imagine Cadillac as a luxury brand if it had no competition?

"built on a W body platform, we are proud to announce the 2.8 (the same miserable 2.8 that cursed the S-10 for so many years) powered Cadillac Deville will have significant improvements for the 2017 model year. We will be moving from a three speed automatic to a four speed automatic, and the cassette player has improved functions to eliminate hiss. Our manually adjustable front bucket seat has two additional positions for the seat back to recline, bringing the total number of seat back adjustments to 5. Passenger side adjustment positions will remain limited to two."

Post of the year and paragraph of the year right here.  I almost spit Pepsi all over my screen reading about the seat back positions.

[smk4565]

Tesla could become a potential buyer for FCA.  In a lot of ways it makes sense, Tesla needs factories and manufacturing capacity which FCA has.  They wouldn't need any of those brands except for Jeep, but they could discontinue Chrysler and Dodge, and those dealerships would still have Jeep, plus Tesla, and they could build electric Jeep.  In Europe they could sell Fiats, sell off the Maserati and Alfa Romeo brands to the Chinese, sell Tesla's at Fiat Dealers.

[A Horse With No Name]

36 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Tesla could become a potential buyer for FCA.  In a lot of ways it makes sense, Tesla needs factories and manufacturing capacity which FCA has.  They wouldn't need any of those brands except for Jeep, but they could discontinue Chrysler and Dodge, and those dealerships would still have Jeep, plus Tesla, and they could build electric Jeep.  In Europe they could sell Fiats, sell off the Maserati and Alfa Romeo brands to the Chinese, sell Tesla's at Fiat Dealers.

Tesla and FCA are both cash poor and liability high. Also, Musk does not want dealers. Furthermore, you have three wildly different corporate cultures...Fiat, Chrysler, and Tesla...that would not play well together.

Plus you still have the liability of the battery factory and solar city.

Not sure the Chinese want Alfa, they want something with more brand equity. 

[FAPTurbo]

47 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Tesla could become a potential buyer for FCA. 

tesla's in the business of making electric cars, not electrical issues. 

[A Horse With No Name]

22 minutes ago, bigpoolog said:

tesla's in the business of making electric cars, not electrical issues. 

Perhaps FCA should merge with Lucas Electrical in Great Britain?

[Suaviloquent]

Tesla - while their journey is arguably very arduous, would you expect anything less for the first new auto company in many, many decades to start from scratch and then push to become over time a big player in the industry?

Plus any comments about any American automaker in a perilous financial situation, well it just so happens the American and Canadian taxpayers love to bail out, provide bridge loans, and all kinds of tax breaks for out beloved domestics.

Sure Tesla needs help to become big. Why wouldn't they? Why shouldn't they take every advantage they can get, when the system is rigged in favour of the established players? When they dictate that the free market system isn't for their taste, and pay ham over fist to get their hands on the earliest build of the Model S and Model X to thoroughly pour over their own lack of innovation.

As for this PHEV, I really hope it's a dud here, teach Cadillac to never import their supposed "S-Class fighter" from China. In fact, the whole premise of the most posh Cadillac sedan not fully and not absolutely being only built in America (atleast for American buyers) is just a slap in the face of everything Cadillac should stand for, but just doesn't. GM doesn't have the guts (aka product development time or budgets) to build S-Class competitors, hell they don't have the guts to build things that would absolutely thrash them.