BMW News: Next BMW X5 to Use Underpinnings from 7-Series

[smk4565]

So why wouldn't Cadillac want to take fool's money?  Suppose Cadillac made an Omega crossover that was under 5,000 lbs, had a 750 hp, 750 lb-ft V12 and could do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds with a top speed of 205 mph.  Better than Corvette Z06 straight line performance in a 3 row SUV.    And they sell it for $300,000 and sell 1,000 of them a year, but make $75,000 profit on each one.  Take crazy rich people's money if you can get it.  

[surreal1272]

So why wouldn't Cadillac want to take fool's money?  Suppose Cadillac made an Omega crossover that was under 5,000 lbs, had a 750 hp, 750 lb-ft V12 and could do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds with a top speed of 205 mph.  Better than Corvette Z06 straight line performance in a 3 row SUV.    And they sell it for $300,000 and sell 1,000 of them a year, but make $75,000 profit on each one.  Take crazy rich people's money if you can get it.

You don't understand simple economics and scale do you? Why would GM, who has not one V12 in their stable, develop, market, and sell a vehicle for less than 1% of 1% of the luxury buying population? That is literally the dumbest thing you can possibly say if you think that is even remotely a good idea.

[balthazar]

 

This has 1088 HP and 2800 TRQ and ZERO cylinders and is smoother & more refined than a V-12.

[surreal1272]

So why wouldn't Cadillac want to take fool's money?  Suppose Cadillac made an Omega crossover that was under 5,000 lbs, had a 750 hp, 750 lb-ft V12 and could do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds with a top speed of 205 mph.  Better than Corvette Z06 straight line performance in a 3 row SUV.    And they sell it for $300,000 and sell 1,000 of them a year, but make $75,000 profit on each one.  Take crazy rich people's money if you can get it.

Oh and show me ONE CUV under 5000lbs with a V12 and then explain, in depth, why Cadillac has to do that.

That is your problem. You want Cadillac to do these things yet can't give one realistic compelling argument as to how to make that happen. You just throw out these imaginary engines (that GM does not have or need) and imaginary weight classes like it is the be all end all and that failure to adhere to your imaginary BS is a failure on GM and Cadillac. This is why no one here takes you seriously (between that and your utter Mercedes loving blindness).

[Suaviloquent]

 

This has 1088 HP and 2800 TRQ and ZERO cylinders and is smoother & more refined than a V-12.

 

 

This is gold right here.

[Suaviloquent]

Um....back to BMW guys. 

[balthazar]

BMW : Tired, regurgitated styling. Mass production mainstream brand. Never produces it's concept cars. Bo-Ring. 

[Suaviloquent]

well... the i8 is a concept car. But yeah, Mercedes if you want German luxury, or Cadillac if you want true performance.

[ccap41]

So why wouldn't Cadillac want to take fool's money?  Suppose Cadillac made an Omega crossover that was under 5,000 lbs, had a 750 hp, 750 lb-ft V12 and could do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds with a top speed of 205 mph.  Better than Corvette Z06 straight line performance in a 3 row SUV.    And they sell it for $300,000 and sell 1,000 of them a year, but make $75,000 profit on each one.  Take crazy rich people's money if you can get it.  

I don't understand why they couldn't just do that same exact thing with a V8. Why does it HAVE to have 12 cylinders?  I mean those numbers aren't much beyond Hellcat numbers so instead of starting from scratch on a V12 why not invest 1/3(probably less but just an example) of the money into an existing V8 and polish it up for smoothness and more power that could ALSO be later used in other vehicles? 

 

Cylinder count snobbiness I think is pretty ignorant these days with modern turbos and direct injection technology. It's amazing what a company can do with a lowly 4cyl engine and a turbo(or two) now. And look at the plethora of twin turbo V6's out there now that are pretty freakin good. What's the point of 12 if it can be done w/ 8 and on top of that help your CAFE score. 

[smk4565]

Well yes, Cadillac could and probably should do it with a V8, the cost to develop a V12 would be a lot for what they'll sell.  But they also have to realize that Rolls, Bentley, BMW, Mercedes and Audi have or will have V12 (or W12) SUVs.  Audi has a V12 Q7 that isn't sold in the USA.

[Drew Dowdell]

One wonders how many they actually sell.

[surreal1272]

Well yes, Cadillac could and probably should do it with a V8, the cost to develop a V12 would be a lot for what they'll sell.  But they also have to realize that Rolls, Bentley, BMW, Mercedes and Audi have or will have V12 (or W12) SUVs.  Audi has a V12 Q7 that isn't sold in the USA.

And the total among those five V12 will total less than it is worth bothering with.

In other words, the only one who gives a crap about V12s is you and the 500 other people in this country of 300,000,000.

[ccap41]

Well yes, Cadillac could and probably should do it with a V8, the cost to develop a V12 would be a lot for what they'll sell.  But they also have to realize that Rolls, Bentley, BMW, Mercedes and Audi have or will have V12 (or W12) SUVs.  Audi has a V12 Q7 that isn't sold in the USA.

When was the last time one of those engines was brand spankin new though? Are any of them new? Or are they all just becoming outdated and outperformed but the smaller turbo motors like everything else? 

 

I have a hard time thinking anybody at Cadillac or GM cares about Bently or Rolls. The G3 probably more so but there is still no point in a V12 anymore. Not unless it is being utilized for absurd things like the Vernon's W16. Your standard V12 doesn't even sound that great but that's just my opinion. 

Edited May 11, 2016 by Drew Dowdell
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