Bugatti Chiron Rumored To Be Expensive. Also, Fast.

[El Kabong]

Two million Euros and 290mph, to be precise. At least according to the source at the link:

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/01/bugatti-chiron-290-mph-report/

[ccap41]

Good lord this thing will be nuts.

[cp-the-nerd]

How is 290 mph even possible? Wind resistance is an exponential increase and the previous Bugatti "only" advertised 245 mph. Another 45 mph doesn't sound like much, but the gap from 245 to 290 mph is the engineering equivalent of getting an astronaut into orbit versus getting one to the moon.

Love the thread title, by the way. Lmao!

[ccap41]

How is 290 mph even possible? Wind resistance is an exponential increase and the previous Bugatti "only" advertised 245 mph. Another 45 mph doesn't sound like much, but the gap from 245 to 290 mph is the engineering equivalent of getting an astronaut into orbit versus getting one to the moon.

Love the thread title, by the way. Lmao!

I remember when the mags were testing the last one the biggest holdup was the tires. Michelin had issues keeping a tire together past 280mph. I guess they've figures that out. Also, didn't the last super sport hit like 268 or something like that?

[cp-the-nerd]

 

How is 290 mph even possible? Wind resistance is an exponential increase and the previous Bugatti "only" advertised 245 mph. Another 45 mph doesn't sound like much, but the gap from 245 to 290 mph is the engineering equivalent of getting an astronaut into orbit versus getting one to the moon.

Love the thread title, by the way. Lmao!

I remember when the mags were testing the last one the biggest holdup was the tires. Michelin had issues keeping a tire together past 280mph. I guess they've figures that out. Also, didn't the last super sport hit like 268 or something like that?

 

 

I guess I lost track. Honestly don't find any interest in the Bugatti. The car doesn't have practical performance. The CTS-V, and Z06, and the Hellcats are all in the realm of insanity in their own right, but top speed of 250, 260, 290 mph? It's hard to even find a CONTROLLED setting to enjoy that.

[ccap41]

How is 290 mph even possible? Wind resistance is an exponential increase and the previous Bugatti "only" advertised 245 mph. Another 45 mph doesn't sound like much, but the gap from 245 to 290 mph is the engineering equivalent of getting an astronaut into orbit versus getting one to the moon.

Love the thread title, by the way. Lmao!

I remember when the mags were testing the last one the biggest holdup was the tires. Michelin had issues keeping a tire together past 280mph. I guess they've figures that out. Also, didn't the last super sport hit like 268 or something like that?

 

I guess I lost track. Honestly don't find any interest in the Bugatti. The car doesn't have practical performance. The CTS-V, and Z06, and the Hellcats are all in the realm of insanity in their own right, but top speed of 250, 260, 290 mph? It's hard to even find a CONTROLLED setting to enjoy that.

I can understand that but I enjoyed reading about it the same way I enjoy reading about the P1 and 918, just absolutely INSANE numbers that make no sense at all. I mean this new Buggati is rumored to hit 62mph in 2.2 seconds..W. T. F. And then how at top speed it only has enough fuel for a couple minutes and tires will only last like 15 minutes. Things are just bind blowing with cars like this that I enjoy learning about it.

On another note, I don't think a Z06 is actually practical performance. Maybe practical to obtain but I'd wager top of 2nd gear you're breaking the law in every state. But I do think that's one reason I love reading about Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers/Vettes because their performance is still playable on the streets(less so now that they're 435+hp but you aren't exactly forced to take it to a track to at least out your foot on the floor for a few seconds. But yes, even in a controlled environment there are probably only 2 places to take a car 290mph. Even then, that's just a guess because i don't know. See, even that 290mph. The engineering that has to go in to every part to withstand that speeds is crazy to me.

[El Kabong]

How is 290 mph even possible? Wind resistance is an exponential increase and the previous Bugatti "only" advertised 245 mph. Another 45 mph doesn't sound like much, but the gap from 245 to 290 mph is the engineering equivalent of getting an astronaut into orbit versus getting one to the moon.

Love the thread title, by the way. Lmao!

The first Veyrons had about 1,000hp and hit 254. The Chiron is probably going to produce 1,500 and have more efficient aero. That ought to do the trick.

As for the thread title: I loves me some dry understatement

[G. David Felt]

Could see them using extensive use of Carbon fiber including the rims of this car to get it to that speed.

[smk4565]

The challenge will be keeping the car on the ground, they will need a lot of down force.  Challenge 2 is tires that don't burst.  Making a 1,500 hp engine will be the easy part.  

[El Kabong]

I have to be honest: this car really doesn't hold a lot of personal appeal. It's like Bugatti never got the memo that top speed has pretty much become irrelevant to these types of cars. Everyone is chasing some variant of efficiency per lap time these days.

[smk4565]

This car isn't about lap times, but that makes it unique that it is about horsepower and top speed.    And most people don't know which car is faster around the Nurburgring between the P1, 918 and LaFerrari, or at least they won't in 20 years, but they'll remember the Veyron had the highest top speed, just like everyone remembers the McLaren F1 was the fastest car of the 90s.

[oldshurst442]

El K....I may have to follow your lead.

Any modern Bugatti, starting with the ugly EB110 of the 1990s and the Veyron...do not push any G-Spot buttons for me.

The Veyron looks good, and I respect the engineering behind this machine, but unfortunately, I feel nothing for it.

 

I still prefer a Countach centerfold in my room.

This new Chiron will probably not move the needle either for me. 

 

If...I had a couple of oil fields in Saudi Arabia with a harem of minimum of 1 virgin, 1 slut and 4 milfs fanning me and feeding me grapes, Im sure Id reconsider its status with me, though.  

[ccap41]

I have to be honest: this car really doesn't hold a lot of personal appeal. It's like Bugatti never got the memo that top speed has pretty much become irrelevant to these types of cars. Everyone is chasing some variant of efficiency per lap time these days.

It's still a prestigious thing to hold the fastest production top speed mark. Can other auto makers do it? Yup. Can they so it with the class the Veryon has? Doubtful. I mean the next closest cars are all race cars with everything stripped from them. That is what really impresses me. Is that they kept a full interior with all leather and aluminum not rock hard carbon buckets, a tach, and a momo steering wheel. I agree that most are chasing a magical lap time, as if anybody can match that who buys most of the cars anyway, but the best at that are also stripped out street cars that sacrifice interiors for lap times. 

 

No other car close to this performance level can touch this interior. Yes there is the P1, 918, and LaFerrari but those are brand new and north of $1,000,000 as well and if you look at pics of those 3 none of them look like they can hold a candle to the Veyron's interior as well.  Getting a 4600lb car to 260mph is "excellence in engineering" at its finest. 

[G. David Felt]

 

I have to be honest: this car really doesn't hold a lot of personal appeal. It's like Bugatti never got the memo that top speed has pretty much become irrelevant to these types of cars. Everyone is chasing some variant of efficiency per lap time these days.

It's still a prestigious thing to hold the fastest production top speed mark. Can other auto makers do it? Yup. Can they so it with the class the Veryon has? Doubtful. I mean the next closest cars are all race cars with everything stripped from them. That is what really impresses me. Is that they kept a full interior with all leather and aluminum not rock hard carbon buckets, a tach, and a momo steering wheel. I agree that most are chasing a magical lap time, as if anybody can match that who buys most of the cars anyway, but the best at that are also stripped out street cars that sacrifice interiors for lap times. 

 

No other car close to this performance level can touch this interior. Yes there is the P1, 918, and LaFerrari but those are brand new and north of $1,000,000 as well and if you look at pics of those 3 none of them look like they can hold a candle to the Veyron's interior as well.  Getting a 4600lb car to 260mph is "excellence in engineering" at its finest. 

 

 

Personal opinion is it is still ugly from any angle to me. So I would save the money and buy something I find much better looking even if it has less performance.

El K....I may have to follow your lead.

Any modern Bugatti, starting with the ugly EB110 of the 1990s and the Veyron...do not push any G-Spot buttons for me.

The Veyron looks good, and I respect the engineering behind this machine, but unfortunately, I feel nothing for it.

 

I still prefer a Countach centerfold in my room.

This new Chiron will probably not move the needle either for me. 

 

If...I had a couple of oil fields in Saudi Arabia with a harem of minimum of 1 virgin, 1 slut and 4 milfs fanning me and feeding me grapes, Im sure Id reconsider its status with me, though.  

 

But if you call yourself a Muslim, then you get 72 virgins, unlimited sluts and milfs to fan you, feed you grapes and change your mind for you all the time. ;-)

[ccap41]

 

 

I have to be honest: this car really doesn't hold a lot of personal appeal. It's like Bugatti never got the memo that top speed has pretty much become irrelevant to these types of cars. Everyone is chasing some variant of efficiency per lap time these days.

It's still a prestigious thing to hold the fastest production top speed mark. Can other auto makers do it? Yup. Can they so it with the class the Veryon has? Doubtful. I mean the next closest cars are all race cars with everything stripped from them. That is what really impresses me. Is that they kept a full interior with all leather and aluminum not rock hard carbon buckets, a tach, and a momo steering wheel. I agree that most are chasing a magical lap time, as if anybody can match that who buys most of the cars anyway, but the best at that are also stripped out street cars that sacrifice interiors for lap times. 

 

No other car close to this performance level can touch this interior. Yes there is the P1, 918, and LaFerrari but those are brand new and north of $1,000,000 as well and if you look at pics of those 3 none of them look like they can hold a candle to the Veyron's interior as well.  Getting a 4600lb car to 260mph is "excellence in engineering" at its finest. 

 

 

Personal opinion is it is still ugly from any angle to me. So I would save the money and buy something I find much better looking even if it has less performance.

See, I can understand that. Looks are one thing but to say it is irrelevant with that the car has brought to the car-game just doesn't seem accurate to me.  Yes, the comment was directed towards top speed but what brings a vehicle top speed has a lot to do with load bearing materials, flexing, and aero study out the ass. All stuff that goes into other track cars. The aero work that goes into a car attempting 290 mph will have more an effect on our daily drivers(in the long run) than a chassis that's so rigid that you can pull 1.5g sustained from the factory and tires that are designed to last less than 5000 miles. The Veyron is very much still relevant. That's why there have been companies who've targeted it. 

 

I 100% agree on the look of the car. They're "okay" at best to me. It's never been a huge looker in my books but the numbers surrounding this car are outstanding and still haven't been touched by other OEMs 11 years later!!

[G. David Felt]

 

 

 

I have to be honest: this car really doesn't hold a lot of personal appeal. It's like Bugatti never got the memo that top speed has pretty much become irrelevant to these types of cars. Everyone is chasing some variant of efficiency per lap time these days.

It's still a prestigious thing to hold the fastest production top speed mark. Can other auto makers do it? Yup. Can they so it with the class the Veryon has? Doubtful. I mean the next closest cars are all race cars with everything stripped from them. That is what really impresses me. Is that they kept a full interior with all leather and aluminum not rock hard carbon buckets, a tach, and a momo steering wheel. I agree that most are chasing a magical lap time, as if anybody can match that who buys most of the cars anyway, but the best at that are also stripped out street cars that sacrifice interiors for lap times. 

 

No other car close to this performance level can touch this interior. Yes there is the P1, 918, and LaFerrari but those are brand new and north of $1,000,000 as well and if you look at pics of those 3 none of them look like they can hold a candle to the Veyron's interior as well.  Getting a 4600lb car to 260mph is "excellence in engineering" at its finest. 

 

 

Personal opinion is it is still ugly from any angle to me. So I would save the money and buy something I find much better looking even if it has less performance.

See, I can understand that. Looks are one thing but to say it is irrelevant with that the car has brought to the car-game just doesn't seem accurate to me.  Yes, the comment was directed towards top speed but what brings a vehicle top speed has a lot to do with load bearing materials, flexing, and aero study out the ass. All stuff that goes into other track cars. The aero work that goes into a car attempting 290 mph will have more an effect on our daily drivers(in the long run) than a chassis that's so rigid that you can pull 1.5g sustained from the factory and tires that are designed to last less than 5000 miles. The Veyron is very much still relevant. That's why there have been companies who've targeted it. 

 

I 100% agree on the look of the car. They're "okay" at best to me. It's never been a huge looker in my books but the numbers surrounding this car are outstanding and still haven't been touched by other OEMs 11 years later!!

 

 

I agree 100%, the engineering is very much relevant, even though 99.99999% of the people can never drive their auto or even this one at 290mph.

[ccap41]

 

 

 

 

I have to be honest: this car really doesn't hold a lot of personal appeal. It's like Bugatti never got the memo that top speed has pretty much become irrelevant to these types of cars. Everyone is chasing some variant of efficiency per lap time these days.

It's still a prestigious thing to hold the fastest production top speed mark. Can other auto makers do it? Yup. Can they so it with the class the Veryon has? Doubtful. I mean the next closest cars are all race cars with everything stripped from them. That is what really impresses me. Is that they kept a full interior with all leather and aluminum not rock hard carbon buckets, a tach, and a momo steering wheel. I agree that most are chasing a magical lap time, as if anybody can match that who buys most of the cars anyway, but the best at that are also stripped out street cars that sacrifice interiors for lap times. 

 

No other car close to this performance level can touch this interior. Yes there is the P1, 918, and LaFerrari but those are brand new and north of $1,000,000 as well and if you look at pics of those 3 none of them look like they can hold a candle to the Veyron's interior as well.  Getting a 4600lb car to 260mph is "excellence in engineering" at its finest. 

 

 

Personal opinion is it is still ugly from any angle to me. So I would save the money and buy something I find much better looking even if it has less performance.

See, I can understand that. Looks are one thing but to say it is irrelevant with that the car has brought to the car-game just doesn't seem accurate to me.  Yes, the comment was directed towards top speed but what brings a vehicle top speed has a lot to do with load bearing materials, flexing, and aero study out the ass. All stuff that goes into other track cars. The aero work that goes into a car attempting 290 mph will have more an effect on our daily drivers(in the long run) than a chassis that's so rigid that you can pull 1.5g sustained from the factory and tires that are designed to last less than 5000 miles. The Veyron is very much still relevant. That's why there have been companies who've targeted it. 

 

I 100% agree on the look of the car. They're "okay" at best to me. It's never been a huge looker in my books but the numbers surrounding this car are outstanding and still haven't been touched by other OEMs 11 years later!!

 

 

I agree 100%, the engineering is very much relevant, even though 99.99999% of the people can never drive their auto or even this one at 290mph.

 

Absolutely correct.

 

I just want to go 200mph one day in something in my control.  No clue where or when or anything but that is one thing I want to do one day..drive something 200mph. 

[Frisky Dingo]

I mean, it's damn impressive. But talk about overkill.

 

I couldn't begin to imagine justifying this car's costs, even if I had '%* you' money.

[ccap41]

An easy way to justify the cost of a brand new one would be "investment". I have to believe a car like this would appreciate in value if you only drive it a few times a year to make sure it gets driven and parts moved. 

 

But what car over 300hp ISN'T overkill? Once you pass 300hp everything is overkill. Even up to 300hp isn't necessary. 

[El Kabong]

I would argue that anything over 150hp is overkill for a passenger car.

[ccap41]

I would argue that anything over 150hp is overkill for a passenger car.

True, I guess I also threw in SUVs up to suburban/expedition size in my head. I probably should have clarified that.

[El Kabong]

But having said that, I think we can agree that 150hp isn't a desirable amount for most cars

[G. David Felt]

Love my Trailblazer SS AWD with 400 ponies. It moves and is lovely to drive.

[Frisky Dingo]

I would argue that anything over 150hp is overkill for a passenger car.

 

An easy way to justify the cost of a brand new one would be "investment". I have to believe a car like this would appreciate in value if you only drive it a few times a year to make sure it gets driven and parts moved. 

 

But what car over 300hp ISN'T overkill? Once you pass 300hp everything is overkill. Even up to 300hp isn't necessary. 

 

 

I absolutely wholeheartedly disagree.

 

More than sufficient and 'overkill' are not the same things.