VW News: Volkswagen To End Production Of Current Phaeton Next March

[William Maley]

We knew it was coming, it was just a matter of when. In March, Volkswagen will end production of the current Phaeton at the Dresden plant. A pet project of former Chairman Ferdinand Piëch, the Phaeton never gained traction in the luxury flagship market for over a decade. Last year, Volkswagen only built 4,000 Phaetons.

 

Volkswagen will bring back the Phaeton nameplate in 2020 for a fully electric luxury sedan.

 

As for the Dresden plant where the Phaeton is built, it will be renovated to build an upcoming electric vehicle. Carsten Krebs, a spokesman at the factory tells Bloomberg that the renovation will take about year to complete.

 

Source: Bloomberg

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[G. David Felt]

Surprised it took this long to kill off a money loosing, sad attempt at a luxury auto at VW. Wonder how much the unions had sway in regards to this. I think VW has plenty more auto's to kill off as it cleans house and moves to be a better run, more profitable company.

[Drew Dowdell]

The first fatality of the cut of models.

[oldshurst442]

It wasnt a sad attempt at luxury though...

Cadillac in 2015 STILL does not have a car worthy of this Phaeton...as the CT6 is not available yet...

 

It really is embarrassing that it took Cadillac THIS long to get a car going in this league...a DECADE...

 

HA! MORE THAN A DECADE!!!!

 

Sorry if you dont agree, but the Phaeton was an engineering marvel. It just wore the wrong badge on the hood.

[William Maley]

The first fatality of the cut of models.

 

I wouldn't call this fatality. More of a mercy killing.

[Drew Dowdell]

Dead!

Dead as a doornail.

.... though I don't know what is particularly dead about a door nail.

I wouldn't think a door nail to be the deadest bit of iron muggary in the trade...

Why not dead as a door knob? or a door knocker?

Well, nail, knob, or knocker, the Phaeton is dead. </with appologies to Charles Dickens>

[G. David Felt]

It wasnt a sad attempt at luxury though...

Cadillac in 2015 STILL does not have a car worthy of this Phaeton...as the CT6 is not available yet...

 

It really is embarrassing that it took Cadillac THIS long to get a car going in this league...a DECADE...

 

HA! MORE THAN A DECADE!!!!

 

Sorry if you dont agree, but the Phaeton was an engineering marvel. It just wore the wrong badge on the hood.

The Phaeton was VW version of the Cadillac Catera. The car was too small for most Americans, no rear room and a funky weird layout of the dash. Only thing interesting was the engineering feet with the motor. Other wise this auto was a failure like the Catera.

[Drew Dowdell]

And like the Catera, no one wants to work on them, impossible to get parts, and woe to those owning one out of warranty.

[Suaviloquent]

It was a Bentley in VW clothing. Essentially, it was better than the A8 at one point.

 

It's like the Chevy Camaro in that respect. But it was also to a nonsensical degree, to uplift a brand by giving it the means to produce a sedan that underneath is an ultra-luxury behemoth.

[oldshurst442]

It was a Bentley in VW clothing. Essentially, it was better than the A8 at one point.

 

It's like the Chevy Camaro in that respect. But it was also to a nonsensical degree, to uplift a brand by giving it the means to produce a sedan that underneath is an ultra-luxury behemoth.

That is exactly what I wanted to say...but I figured I did not want to waste my energy trying to explain what the Phaeton was/is...This car debuted in 2002...You know...13 years have passed...if people havent learned what this car was all about in 13 years, there is no sense in me wasting my time and energy trying to teach.

 

I was ignorant about this car in 2002. I hated it. I hated VW for it. But sometime between 2002 and 2015, I read up on it and learned about it and soon, my hatred disappeared at the same rate as my ignorance...

[daves87rs]

The first fatality of the cut of models.

 

 

+1

[smk4565]

The original Phaeton was a great piece of engineering. They sold it under the wrong brand. You have luxury brands to sell luxury cars. Now the thing is so dated and last it's prime it is sad. This is a mercy killing for sure.

[ocnblu]

To bring it back in 2020 as full electric just means they have no place for it in the VW lineup.  Why even spend the R&D money when no one will want it then either.

[Drew Dowdell]

It was a Bentley in VW clothing. Essentially, it was better than the A8 at one point.

 

It's like the Chevy Camaro in that respect. But it was also to a nonsensical degree, to uplift a brand by giving it the means to produce a sedan that underneath is an ultra-luxury behemoth.

That is exactly what I wanted to say...but I figured I did not want to waste my energy trying to explain what the Phaeton was/is...This car debuted in 2002...You know...13 years have passed...if people havent learned what this car was all about in 13 years, there is no sense in me wasting my time and energy trying to teach.

 

I was ignorant about this car in 2002. I hated it. I hated VW for it. But sometime between 2002 and 2015, I read up on it and learned about it and soon, my hatred disappeared at the same rate as my ignorance...

For what the Phaeton can do and was engineered to do, I respect it. I admire them as cars, and as a big lux sedan lover, I've looked into them on the used market. However, I cannot get around the extremely expensive care and feeding of them... even by German Uber Sedan standards.

[oldshurst442]

 

 

It was a Bentley in VW clothing. Essentially, it was better than the A8 at one point.

 

It's like the Chevy Camaro in that respect. But it was also to a nonsensical degree, to uplift a brand by giving it the means to produce a sedan that underneath is an ultra-luxury behemoth.

That is exactly what I wanted to say...but I figured I did not want to waste my energy trying to explain what the Phaeton was/is...This car debuted in 2002...You know...13 years have passed...if people havent learned what this car was all about in 13 years, there is no sense in me wasting my time and energy trying to teach.

 

I was ignorant about this car in 2002. I hated it. I hated VW for it. But sometime between 2002 and 2015, I read up on it and learned about it and soon, my hatred disappeared at the same rate as my ignorance...

For what the Phaeton can do and was engineered to do, I respect it. I admire them as cars, and as a big lux sedan lover, I've looked into them on the used market. However, I cannot get around the extremely expensive care and feeding of them... even by German Uber Sedan standards.

 

I am not  surprise  at all from what you are suggesting to me that the Phaeton is one finicky vehicle.

I believe you, sir. I have no reasons to doubt you.

[G. David Felt]

 

 

It was a Bentley in VW clothing. Essentially, it was better than the A8 at one point.

 

It's like the Chevy Camaro in that respect. But it was also to a nonsensical degree, to uplift a brand by giving it the means to produce a sedan that underneath is an ultra-luxury behemoth.

That is exactly what I wanted to say...but I figured I did not want to waste my energy trying to explain what the Phaeton was/is...This car debuted in 2002...You know...13 years have passed...if people havent learned what this car was all about in 13 years, there is no sense in me wasting my time and energy trying to teach.

 

I was ignorant about this car in 2002. I hated it. I hated VW for it. But sometime between 2002 and 2015, I read up on it and learned about it and soon, my hatred disappeared at the same rate as my ignorance...

For what the Phaeton can do and was engineered to do, I respect it. I admire them as cars, and as a big lux sedan lover, I've looked into them on the used market. However, I cannot get around the extremely expensive care and feeding of them... even by German Uber Sedan standards.

 

A luxury car for people under 5' 10" tall. Had some great engineering but over all was over rated.

[oldshurst442]

 

 

 

It was a Bentley in VW clothing. Essentially, it was better than the A8 at one point.

 

It's like the Chevy Camaro in that respect. But it was also to a nonsensical degree, to uplift a brand by giving it the means to produce a sedan that underneath is an ultra-luxury behemoth.

That is exactly what I wanted to say...but I figured I did not want to waste my energy trying to explain what the Phaeton was/is...This car debuted in 2002...You know...13 years have passed...if people havent learned what this car was all about in 13 years, there is no sense in me wasting my time and energy trying to teach.

 

I was ignorant about this car in 2002. I hated it. I hated VW for it. But sometime between 2002 and 2015, I read up on it and learned about it and soon, my hatred disappeared at the same rate as my ignorance...

For what the Phaeton can do and was engineered to do, I respect it. I admire them as cars, and as a big lux sedan lover, I've looked into them on the used market. However, I cannot get around the extremely expensive care and feeding of them... even by German Uber Sedan standards.

 

A luxury car for people under 5' 10" tall. Had some great engineering but over all was over rated.

 

Not over rated, but rather UNDER rated hence why it is no longer.

Like Ive stated before, wrong badge on the hood.

 

About the 5'10" thing...

I highly doubt that...I have sat in one, but Im fairly short...Ill just go with Jeremy Clarkson...

 

 

I take it that Clarkson is one tall gent...6.'4" high...I googled...and google told me 1.96 meters in which I used google conversion after that...and he seems to fit quite snuggly in the driver's seat...and quite comfilly   in the back with that nice tall blonde...

so...sorry DFELT if I doubt your assumption...

 

And seeing this car is practically the same as a Bentley Continental GT in which many many NBA superstars bought...Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, NFL guys like RG III and Darren McFadden

 

 

 

I dont think what you are saying holds too much water....sorry.

[G. David Felt]

Having been in the actual auto. Once I have the front seat set, getting out, only kids could sit behind me. At 6'6" the sedan fails to hold 4 adults in my family. German and all tall like me so I stand by my remarks and clearly they moved the drivers seat up to allow him to have room for the tea bit.

 

Any tall person can fit in any car if you do not worry about fitting others in. For me, this car fails due to the roof line and lake of headroom in the backseat as I hate the coupe look. While this has a bit more headroom over the new trend of all auto's looking like coupes, it still fails for a big person like me. 

 

I will stay with my full size SUV's thank you,

[oldshurst442]

Having been in the actual auto. Once I have the front seat set, getting out, only kids could sit behind me. At 6'6" the sedan fails to hold 4 adults in my family. German and all tall like me so I stand by my remarks and clearly they moved the drivers seat up to allow him to have room for the tea bit.

 

Any tall person can fit in any car if you do not worry about fitting others in. For me, this car fails due to the roof line and lake of headroom in the backseat as I hate the coupe look. While this has a bit more headroom over the new trend of all auto's looking like coupes, it still fails for a big person like me. 

 

I will stay with my full size SUV's thank you,

 

Your last sentence is what gives your bias away...

 

@ 6'6" tall, there arent many vehicles that fit your body anyway...and so probably the ONLY vehicles you fit in ARE fullsized SUVs...so THAT makes it less of an engineering problem from VW and more of a genetic deformality  on your part...

 

Dont take the last thing that I said too personal, I just have height envy. You are exactly 1 foot taller than I...

OK...maybe 11.5 inches taller. Im 5'6 1/2"

[G. David Felt]

 

Having been in the actual auto. Once I have the front seat set, getting out, only kids could sit behind me. At 6'6" the sedan fails to hold 4 adults in my family. German and all tall like me so I stand by my remarks and clearly they moved the drivers seat up to allow him to have room for the tea bit.

 

Any tall person can fit in any car if you do not worry about fitting others in. For me, this car fails due to the roof line and lake of headroom in the backseat as I hate the coupe look. While this has a bit more headroom over the new trend of all auto's looking like coupes, it still fails for a big person like me. 

 

I will stay with my full size SUV's thank you,

 

Your last sentence is what gives your bias away...

 

@ 6'6" tall, there arent many vehicles that fit your body anyway...and so probably the ONLY vehicles you fit in ARE fullsized SUVs...so THAT makes it less of an engineering problem from VW and more of a genetic deformality  on your part...

 

Dont take the last thing that I said too personal, I just have height envy. You are exactly 1 foot taller than I...

OK...maybe 11.5 inches taller. Im 5'6 1/2"

 

 

No offense taken Just an American Born full German where I am average for my family. My sisters are a bit shorter at 6'2" and 5' 10" tall.

[oldshurst442]

If your sisters are blonde and blued eyed, I think Id be in love. 

Id gladly be at their mercy. 

Nothing is more sexier than a tall, blonde, blue eyed German girl.

OK...Nordic girls in general. Norwegian, Finnish, Swedish, German....

 

But alas, I bagged myself a Greek Goddess. I dont know how I did it, but I did it.

She has a face worthy  to launch a 1000 ships across an ocean....

And best of all, a heart of gold....

Edited December 23, 2015 by oldshurst442

[G. David Felt]

If your sisters are blonde and blued eyed, I think Id be in love. 

Id gladly be at their mercy. 

Nothing is more sexier than a tall, blonde, blue eyed German girl.

OK...Nordic girls in general. Norwegian, Finnish, Swedish, German....

 

But alas, I bagged myself a Greek Goddess. I dont know how I did it, but I did it.

She has a face worthy  to launch a 1000 ships across an ocean....

And best of all, a heart of gold....

Very Cool, Greek woman are freakin hot to me especially brunettes with brown eye's!

 

Oldest and tallest sister takes after my moms side of the family, Blonde and Blue eye, very German.

My middle sister takes after my dads side brunette and brown eyes.

 

Then little ol me is Hazel eyes with brunette hair.

 

Go figure, I tease my mom all the time about are you sure I am not the milk mans son? But then I look just like dad, so nope.

[Suaviloquent]

If this thread in actuality is about how to bag an awesome female companion for holy matrimony....

 

I'm game!! Gimme all the quick-tip quickies!

 

So yes, all I have to be is like a stealth wealth Phaeton of a truck....and to Old's point about heart of gold...4.2L V8, yes, yes.....great point there. So, 6.2 should cover nicely...

 

Okay so I just have to get a VW Phaeton kind of lady while I'm transforminated into GMC Denali, emphasis on Precision and a life theme like Eminence Front from Jeep Comanche....

 

Yes. Anything more gents?